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7:00 PM
@ThePhD I had a computer where the CD drive and audio card were somewhat seperate from everything else, so I could start playing a cd, then shutdown the computer ("it is now safe to turn off your computer") and it would keep playing.
 
@Abyx Sure you can. -I believe you are correct. Is but one way.
 
@MooingDuck That's one boss audio card.
"I don't need no OS for my shit."
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes @R.MartinhoFernandes That's really nice. Thanks!
 
@ThePhD I have no idea how it worked, but it was neat
 
Okay....
smhasher is un-checkoutable.
 
7:01 PM
@Xeo Nah, stupidly expensive would be their old Orpheus headset.
 
Alright, I'm not allowed to check out smhasher. Guess I'll just fish through the src.
 
Xeo
@JerryCoffin I was talking in general.
I think they also had that headset that looked like a stethoscope, but without the part you put on another person's chest.
 
@DeadMG powercfg -h off
@DeadMG I don't have a pagefile on my Linux system and it seems to work well :) No pagefile on Windows is impossible, AFAIK.
 
@Xeo In general, they'd be stupidly expensive if you could get something as good or better for about the same or less. I've yet to see such a thing. While the 800's are pretty insane, I've yet to hear anything else that could even come close to the 600's (for one example) for any less -- and double the price would be more common.
 
That has exactly what I need and nothing more.
"This proposal simply extends the C/POSIX time_t functionality to C++ syntax and system_clock::time_point." .
cout << time_fmt(local, "%A %B %e, %Y %r");
cout << system_clock::now() << '\n'; // Sunday April 24, 2011 02:36:59 PM
 
7:07 PM
@FredOverflow Pretty sure Linux needs it just as much as Windows- it's a fundamental part of virtual memory.
 
@JerryCoffin It looks like MurmurHash only has 32 bit and 128 bit return values for its hashes, but I can probably do some truncation or something (though that somehow feels suboptimal).
 
@FredOverflow Yes -- it can decrease it to something like 3 MB, but that's about it.
 
you can turn it completely off on Windows but it will kill your perf
 
@Abyx I can. Look: "I believe in the scientific models of the origins of the universe". More specifically: I believe them to be plausible enough to work with until we get better insight
 
unless you have like 64GB RAM
fuck
note to self: stop typing whilst playing Starcraft 2
 
7:07 PM
@DeadMG His point is that regular use does not need one in Linux.
 
@DeadMG If so, that must be a fairly recent change. I know I tried in the past, and it refused.
 
And your perf is just fine.
 
Did someone say 64GB of ram? :P
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Linux needs to page things to disk just as much as Windows does
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Is it me, or are C++ locales ridiculously complicated?
 
7:08 PM
@Mysticial I want a terabyte of RAM.
 
@EtiennedeMartel No fucking idea.
 
you may as well argue Linux doesn't need a hardware cache
 
fred@asus:~$ free
             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
Mem:       8177952    1335088    6842864          0      37228     538028
-/+ buffers/cache:     759832    7418120
Swap:            0          0          0
 
@DeadMG Whatever. I can't hear you over the sound of the various Linux boxes I have run without a pagefile.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Locales are simple (just a type-safe, heterogeneous container). Quite a few facets are stupidly complex though.
 
7:09 PM
@JerryCoffin We're getting close. The Intel dual-sockets now can go up to at least 256GB.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You mean swap?
 
Give it another generation or 2, and they'll reach 1TB. The current 4-socket machines I believe can already reach 1TB.
 
@Mysticial I guess two more years or so, and I'll have to upgrade.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes They probably just used the space without telling you.
 
7:10 PM
@DeadMG I didn't configure a swap partition during the Ubuntu install, and everything works fine without it.
 
@DeadMG Sure. Whatever.
I have no idea how you can use space that you don't have.
 
@Abyx ironically, by saying "you can't apply 'believe' to 'science'" you are effectively redefining 'science' as a religion. I'd say, it doesn't matter whether you 'believe' in Truth. But whether science accurately reflects that is a matter of debate (in the literal sense of the word) and you can actively choose to believe theories and models. [...]
[...] Of course you can. You'd be stupid not to (in many cases) but ruling out the possibility of disbelieve is (a) degrading science into religion (you must accept it as the truth, because it 'is'?) and (b) stifles scientific innovation
 
I always create a swap partition for Linux installs, though I believe with enough RAM ie 32GB it is rarely if ever used.
 
@Chimera 32GB? lol.
 
7:12 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Why LOL?
 
Xeo
I had 512mb and I didn't need one until I tried compiling Clang. :s
 
@Chimera Because you don't need that much.
^ see above.
 
> You can simulate goto in Java with throw/catch, but technically, that's not a goto, it's a throwto.
:)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's the amount of physical RAM, not the swap size.
 
@Chimera I am saying you don't need that much RAM to forego swap.
 
7:13 PM
Right, 8 GB works fine without swap here.
 
@DeadMG Running swapless since ~2004
 
On the machines I have that go overkill with ram, I usually have about a 4GB page file - regardless of of how much ram is in the system.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh. I have that much RAM because it's used when processing large RAW images in photoshop.
 
By the way, if I have a swap partition and someone looks inside it, will it contain passwords and other security-critical stuff?
 
@Mysticial I always do the same, just in case.
 
7:14 PM
@EtiennedeMartel yes they are
 
@FredOverflow Depends on the software you use
 
@FredOverflow Yes. But on the other hand, Windows won't let you read pagefile.sys.
 
@Chimera Ah, but that's a special use case (I did mention "regular use" above).
 
American liberals are upset that Ugandan Pres is leading his nation in repentance--afraid of a modern example of a nation prospered by God?
I don't know who he is. But I already hate this guy.
 
@DeadMG I've gotten the impression Windows commonly pages things frequently just in case, whereas Linux avoids paging as much as possible.
 
7:15 PM
@FredOverflow generally, on any os, is makes sense to put swap on encrypted storage if you are really serious about security
 
The basic difference is pretty simple: in Windows, the swapper "process" is part of the kernel, and to keep it simple, they eliminated the special case of not having a swap file. On Unix, the swapper actually runs as a separate process, and if you configure without a swap file/partition, it simply doesn't run at all.
 
@Mysticial Just boot Linux and a hex dump of the partition or whatnot?
 
@FredOverflow Then, yes that'll get around it.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Why would American Liberals give a shit what the leader of another country does unless it affects America ( U.S. )?
 
@Mysticial Sounds like a serious security problem to me.
 
7:16 PM
@Chimera Because they are silly? What else could it be?
 
@sehe But won't that be really bad for performance?
 
@Chimera American liberals don't give a shit. But conservatives do.
 
@FredOverflow You are swapping. Performance is through the window already.
 
@FredOverflow not if you don't swap
 
@Mysticial That's not what the tweet said.
 
7:16 PM
@Chimera What kind of camera are you using? An IQ180? I process 24 MP pictures in 8 Gig of RAM with no problems at all (including some fairly large stitched panoramas).
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes But only on Windows, right? lol
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow Swapping is bad on any OS
 
@sehe But isn't Windows constantly swapping?
 
@FredOverflow No, that's emacs.
 
@Chimera You'd have to be an idiot to believe every tweet.
 
Xeo
7:17 PM
@JerryCoffin Did he imply photos in any way?
 
@FredOverflow perhaps it is. That certainly would explain some of the shitty surprising performance results I'm seeing sometimes. But, honestly, it shouldn't obviously. It should swap iff memory doesn't suffice
 
@JerryCoffin Canon 5D. The RAW images are very large. And I've noticed that Photoshop and LightRoom will perform better if it can consume more RAM.
 
@Chimera Didn't you hear? Homosexuality is now a crime in Uganda. Some people, me included, might be upset about that.
 
@Xeo Photo shop? I suppose you can do things other than photos in it, but darned few people do drawings that large.
 
@FredOverflow It's pretty easy to track it though. Just open up resource monitor.
 
7:18 PM
@EtiennedeMartel I didn't hear that. That makes me upset as well.
 
Xeo
@JerryCoffin Photoshop is mostly not about photos, lol.
 
Ell
I don't understand why this works o.O stackoverflow.com/questions/1522994/…
 
Xeo
And the files can get huge easily with many layers, especially when working with textures.
 
@sehe I've noticed that when I load files the harddrive, almost all of my programs stall on Widnows, and yet the task manager says I have plenty of memory available. I always assumed that it was paging stuff, and loading things it thinks I might use.
 
@Chimera Seems to work quite nicely in 8 Gig., and (assuming you mean the original 5D) you're working with relatively low resolution (18 MP, if memory serves).
 
7:19 PM
@sehe, you just can't believe in a model. E.g. there is a model that the Earth is flat. It's a model, so you can't say "I believe that Earth is flat", or say "I don't believe that Earth is flat". It's defined to be flat. The word believe doesn't apply here. You take that model and use it, like to measure width of a street.
 
I believe that the Earth is not flat.
There. I said it.
 
Oops -- re-checking, the original 5D was only 12.7 MP.
 
@JerryCoffin Yes, the original 5D. I've noticed a speedup with more RAM.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Of course the earth is not flat, we have mountains and rivers after all.
 
@FredOverflow ...and from there, it's turtles all the way down.
 
7:21 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I believe the children are our future. Treat them well and let them lead the way.
 
@MooingDuck Yeah, Windows tends to fill up RAM in case someone may need something or whatnot. Sounds pretty stupid to me, but I'm not an OS developer, so...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes science doesn't care is it flat or not.
 
@Xeo He did also mention raw files, which come from cameras as a rule.
 
@FredOverflow So what? I find it quite logical
 
7:22 PM
I believe in Haskell. Maybe I should buy a purity ring for Christmas!
Get it? Purity.
 
I believe in God.
There, I said it.
 
@Chimera Sounds a bit strange. I've sometimes run it in a VM with only 4 or even 2 Gig. of RAM, and never noticed much slowdown beyond what I'd expect just from running in a VM in general.
 
@FredOverflow Oh gawd, you're so lame.
 
@FredOverflow Yup -- cute.
 
@FredOverflow -1 would not laugh
 
7:23 PM
I don't get it
 
Haskell is all about *pure* functions and unsafePerformIO.
 
@JerryCoffin I can only report what I've noticed. I often upscale my images so I'm often working with very large RAW files.
 
@Borgleader Purity has two meanings. In Haskell, it means no implicit side-effects. Do you know the other meaning? As in no sex before marriage and stuff.
 
@FredOverflow Yes -- you gain nothing by having RAM sitting empty. Once something's loaded, you might as well keep it in case it gets used again. Pages that aren't dirty are cheap to discard.
 
@Cicada Thank god chat lines cannot be downvoted then :)
 
7:25 PM
Our Fuzzy Cat in heaven,
hallowed be your mane.
Your carrier cage come,
your meowing be done,
in the cardboard box as it is on the top of the bookshelf.
Give us this day our daily meows,
and forgive us our anger,
as we also have forgiven grumpy cat's.
And lead us not into unsuspecting cuddles,
but deliver us from wrathful hissing.
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@Chimera Large image -- the raw file always remains the same size.
 
for @CatPlusPlus
 
@JerryCoffin Keeping stuff that was once needed is not the same as filling up RAM with random stuff you might need later for the first time.
 
Ell
Has anyone used a bcrypt lib before?
 
@FredOverflow You're telling me ;)
 
7:27 PM
@JerryCoffin You can upscale a RAW image with Adobes RAW plug in.
 
@FredOverflow I didn't know the Haskell meaning. I knew the latter one and this one: youtube.com/watch?v=akaos1U8Rto
 
What? Nobody insulted me for saying I believe in God? I'm shocked.
 
@TonyTheLion You mean @CatPlusPlus is God?
 
@Borgleader A pure function maps inputs to outputs without causing side-effects. All functions in math are pure.
 
@Chimera Not saying it isn't happening, just saying it sounds strange. I manage some fairly large images in only 8 Gig. (in case it wasn't obvious: warning: links to large images).
 
7:28 PM
@FredOverflow The assumption is if you boot MSWord, it quickly pages the startup code and macros and other bits you probably won't use, and pages in files you might open. (This is all my interpretation of how things work, I have little evidence)
 
@EtiennedeMartel no he's grumpy god :P
 
@Chimera The puppy is playing starcraft
 
Anyway, Windows doesn't work without swap space, so I simply live with the fact that it needs swap space and get on with Lounge, eh, life.
 
Ell
@Chimera you're stupid :P (happy now? ;) )
 
7:29 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Hunh -- I thought that was pretty funny.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I don't understand. Mind explaining?
 
Maybe it's because I already dislike the guy, so anything he says will annoy me.
 
@JerryCoffin Nice image! I see some color fringing around some of the rooftops.
 
I mean, anyone who doesn't know about Time Magazine might as well live in a cave.
 
@Chimera In which image? (There are three links there).
 
7:30 PM
Or in the deep south.
 
@Chimera I don't know if there is a God, but if there is one, I would be pretty surprised if he cared about human affairs.
 
@JerryCoffin The large panorama at the top of the page.
 
@Chimera Top of which page? There are three links there (fairly is one, large is another and images a third).
 
@JerryCoffin Taal Lake one
@JerryCoffin LOL, yeah I realized it right before you mentioned that.
 
@FredOverflow You mean, like Azathoth?
 
7:33 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes don't know him
 
It's mutual.
 
Someone mentioned my name?
 
@Cicada Are you a god? We have a god in the Lounge? Can you give us polymorphic lambdas?
 
7:35 PM
@FredOverflow I will, but first you have to repent from your sins.
 
@Chimera Things and stuff?
 
@Cicada I will repent from my sins, cosins and tans! Deal?
 
@FredOverflow Turbo facepalm.
 
@FredOverflow Your tans? There's sun in Germany?
/countertroll
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nah, it's a portion of of one of Jerry's photos. Pointing out the color fringing.
 
7:36 PM
@Chimera What is color fringing? An artifact?
 
@Chimera Ok. I have no idea what you are talking about anyway.
 
In optics, chromatic aberration (CA, also called achromatism or chromatic distortion) is a type of distortion in which there is a failure of a lens to focus all colors to the same convergence point. It occurs because lenses have a different refractive index for different wavelengths of light (the dispersion of the lens). The refractive index decreases with increasing wavelength. Chromatic aberration manifests itself as "fringes" of color along boundaries that separate dark and bright parts of the image, because each color in the optical spectrum cannot be focused at a single common ...
 
@Chimera Yup -- looks like I didn't get quite all the CA corrected.
 
In optics, chromatic aberration (CA, also called achromatism or chromatic distortion) is a type of distortion in which there is a failure of a lens to focus all colors to the same convergence point. It occurs because lenses have a different refractive index for different wavelengths of light (the dispersion of the lens). The refractive index decreases with increasing wavelength. Chromatic aberration manifests itself as "fringes" of color along boundaries that separate dark and bright parts of the image, because each color in the optical spectrum cannot be focused at a single common ...
@FredOverflow LOL.. Didn't notice you beat me to it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes nice, a this pointer :)
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zisse
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that is one of the spots/
@Jerr
@JerryCoffin You are active on photography.se ?
 
@Cicada Errrrggh.
 
7:39 PM
@Cicada What is that, the French this pointer?
 
@EtiennedeMartel sori tou bozère iou ande beutcheur iour irz ine ze prossèsse
 
@Chimera No. (not any more).
 
@FredOverflow zats it!
 
@JerryCoffin Oh ok. What is your main camera?
 
@Cicada Articule osti o.o
 
7:40 PM
@Borgleader Artencules.
 
@Chimera Sony Alpha A900 (but the Taal shots were before I got that -- taken with an A700).
 
@EtiennedeMartel FLAGIN'
 
@Cicada I should have said "Qu'est-ce que c'est?" instead of "What is that?", one of the few things I am still able to express in French :)
 
@Cicada Flagelle
 
ha, just got an email about a new wiki going up on our intranet.. apparently everyone else is sitting around not doing anything important enough to ignore the link, since the server is already hosed
 
7:42 PM
@JerryCoffin Ah ok. I want to get a camera with the Foveon sensor.
 
classe le_vecteur {
privé:
    taille_t la_taille;
publique:
    taille_t taille() const { retourne zisse->la_taille; }
};
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@Cicada Plus sérieusement, un discutait hier de traduction moi et un de mes collègues Français , et on a réalisé qu'en France, "traduire un mot Anglais en Français", c'est "garder le même mot mais le prononcer comme si c'était du Français".
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ROFL You just killed me XD !
Oh my this is le awesome
 
@JerryCoffin This might be nice to have.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Sadly yes. Cependant j'ajouterai que bcp de français sont mauvais en anglais (et en langues de façon générale)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Here, have a digital remote hug.
 
Oh. Thanks.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Score one hug!
 
Ell
darn I can't find a bcrypt implementation anywhere
 
@Cicada What is bcp? beaucoup? I know very little informal French.
 
7:47 PM
@Chimera Once upon a time, I thought that was the real way to go, but after trying one out, I'm a lot less certain. They do pretty decently, but need to drop their prices (quite a bit) further to really be competitive.
@Chimera I've been pretty happy with it. Started with a Maxxum 9000 way back when, and still use most of the same lenses.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes s/bcp/beaucoup
 
@JerryCoffin Are the colors really that much better than a standard sensor?
@JerryCoffin I rather enjoy having a full frame sensor.
 
@Chimera Seems to depend mostly on the brand/model. It does eliminate most moire problems, but otherwise it's mostly a tradeoff. With any of them, weaker color filters give better high ISO noise, but reduce the maximum saturation you can get. Foveons seem to use pretty strong filters, which allow increased saturation at the expense of more noise -- pretty similar to the older Sonys in that respect.
 
One day it will be possible to take photographs by simply pressing a button.
 
@Chimera Yup -- lots of people seem to push the idea that there's no better or worse, just different. At least for me, that's not even close to true.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think I'll start a company on that principle. I think "kodak" sounds like a nice name for it.
 
7:56 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Et je hais les gens qui utilisent des mots anglais dans leur speech alors que l'équivalent français existe.
 
@Cicada Comme par exemple?
 
@Borgleader ...
 
@Borgleader T'es lent en fuck. Remarque le mot "speech".
 
A part le troll évident de speech
(C'était pas nécessairement du troll, c'est gossant pour vrai...)
 
Si. Nécessairement.
 
7:58 PM
Genre, style, comme.
 
@Cicada Natives do that?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes English is cool.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I want to pogne.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah. Every-fucking-where. English looks "cool" for some reason. I wish we did like they do in Québec.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Spoken like a traitorous Canadian!
 
7:59 PM
@Cicada What do they do in French Merkinia?
 
@Borgleader It is the reason that I speak in English.
 

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