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3:02 PM
so now I have to clean up my code
and comment it excessively to adhere to coding guidelines
 
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OMG apple is mean, threating to call me and if I do not respond remove all my apps on the app store
 
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even meaner than wp7 developer program
 
@Telkitty what?
 
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almost made me love android :'(
 
aright
who wants to bet that the sudden arrival of 24 prisoners will go completely and smoothly to plan
 
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3:13 PM
@bamboon just received an email from apple
 
user1357851
Hello Yi,

We would like to talk to you about your apps under the developer name Yiz Pty Ltd on the App Store. Please provide a number where you can be reached and also specify the language in which you would like to speak. We will contact you at our next opportunity. If you do not respond by the end of this week, your apps will be removed from the App Store.

Regards,
iTunes Customer Experience
 
I'm not really into betting
 
Don't use any Apple platforms, problem solved.
@DeadMG Aahahaha right
You've never played DF, have you
 
I did once, but the interface quickly solved that
although this game is partially inspired by DF
 
@DeadMG What game?
 
3:19 PM
Prison Architect
 
I know, that's why I'm mentioning it
 
@Telkitty lol, what did you do?
 
still
on the upside, my prison's theoretical capacity is 40 prisoners and they only sent me another 24
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I bet you will come up with the commutativity of It::operator== as the thing. Sadly, that doesn't really define any time ordering. I'm curious. I don' have time tonight to look it up. But I might after I get home.
 
user1357851
@bamboon no idea ... must missed something
 
user1357851
3:20 PM
I went into itune connect and filled some field required by some red exclamation marks :x
 
user1357851
sign still waiting for my dumbass cat app to come out on wp7
 
user1357851
being waiting for 3 weeks now, first microsoft told me its slow because US east coast was flooded
 
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then rejected me based on some trivial stuff
 
studd?
 
user1357851
then rejected me based on even more trivial stuff like pictures not appropriate in certain countries
 
user1357851
3:23 PM
it is a funny cat picture app with music ffs
 
Stop developing for shitty closed platforms.
 
@Telkitty ship with halal cats
 
my genius cooks are trying to serve garbage
 
Budget cuts.
 
user1357851
gonna have to sleep needs to continue my battle against apple & microsoft tomorrow :x
 
user1357851
3:25 PM
laterz
 
hmm
six hours later, 9/24 require medical attention
 
> I'd argue that smoking a cigarette has a cost of about 0.25-0.5 microlife just from the time the smoker expends finding some place to smoke and then standing around puffing. (BS on micromorts)
 
you need to take better care of your prisoners
 
Shoot them.
 
> Ah, "naturally irritating". That's the term I've been looking for. Time to update my résumé!
 
3:34 PM
I'm not in a great mood.
 
That blog post has some WIN comments
@R.MartinhoFernandes ^ read a blog post. It will divert your thoughts [ yt, Anti-Joke bear ]
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh I know that feeling.
 
@TonyTheLion I think everyone does.
 
supposedly I make $2000 a day profit, but I just lost $1200 of it on repairs.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Except, robots...
@DeadMG Send the bill to Linz? See if they cover the expense
 
3:39 PM
rofl
they haven't even covered my real expenses yet :(
 
...
@R.MartinhoFernandes when should we unpin the CTP announcment?
 
@sehe when the preview gets relieved by the actual update? :D
 
@DeadMG what? You should nudge them.
when I did my interviews I got my expenses reimbursed on the same day
 
well, they wanted my physical receipts and a copy of my fucking bank statement
it probably hasn't even arrived in Austria yet
 
well mail it to them
first class
 
3:44 PM
I did
 
you monkey puppy
@DeadMG how long ago?
 
dunno, a few days at least
 
ah ok
but you have to give them some time process it all
if nothing in a week, then nudge nudge
and if you have to, beat them into submission :P
 
Yeah, fly back there, spank them, and then have them pay for the expenses of the other trip and of the spanking trip.
 
considering it
by the way, did I mention I've got another 16 prisoners arriving tomorrow? That also couldn't possibly go wrong
 
3:52 PM
you know, that sounds really awkward
 
well
this lot seems to have mostly calmed down now
 
you know that I don't give a fuck
 
I'm an octopus. Bloop bloop.
Incidentally, good morning peeps.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Ohayou!
 
ohai
well fuck...
 
4:05 PM
We need more raygun gothic works.
Guys, if you ever make that space game, give it a 1950s look.
 
you linked to TvTropes
you bastard
ok, whoever is not on the tropes page, put your hands up
 
Me.
I'm working.
But at the sime time I'm thinking that this art style would fit great with my RTS concept.
 
I mean, I was planning for a standard sci-fi look, but this would be better.
Then I would be justified to add silly stuff.
 
You know what's super cool? The strings in this thing use UTF-16 but provide codepoint iterators.
 
4:15 PM
hahah
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes this thing?
 
what thing?
 
@EtiennedeMartel This codebase.
 
how ugly is the codebase?
 
Do you mean the shit you have to deal with at work?
Or are you just talking robo-nonsense again?
 
4:19 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Yes.
 
he means the work shit
 
@EtiennedeMartel What?
 
It's like nonsense. But with robots.
 
I never do that!
 
4:21 PM
:P
so robot, is this your first real job?
 
@TonyTheLion Not bad. There's boost all over, RAII and shit. Though there this COM-like thingy which is a bit annoying, but with smart pointers.
 
hi
 
@TonyTheLion What do you mean "real"?
 
Yo.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Stable, full time, with decent income.
 
you know, real life, where you do it full time and you earn real money
which you can buy food with or electricity in your case
do robots even need to get paid?
:P
 
4:24 PM
lol, "real life", "real money". It's my first non-temporary job, but not my first full time paying job.
 
they can just churn out stuff out without ever stopping
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh right
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes He's talking about what you call "meatspace" and what I call "realspace".
 
ohhh meatspace
I call it catspace
 
Isn't that ambiguous? I mean, there are cats in cyberspace too.
 
catspace
it sounds more like the internet to me
cats are more important on the internet than in real life
 
4:32 PM
Cats are cool.
 
way more
 
Cats are cooler than dogs.
And kittens are cooler than puppies.
 
dogs > cats
8
 
@EtiennedeMartel You suck.
 
Does anyone know if it's possible to make VS2012 default new projects to be empty?
Google is giving me a load of crap with those terms.
 
4:34 PM
default? IDK
 
I figured there might be some wizard editing tool, like there is with project types.
 
@DeadMG I'm the kind of cat a puppy like you rather not meet. :P
 
Why, do you create a new project every friday morning
 
it's Thursday eve
not Fri morning
 
@chris You can save a project as a template, I think.
 
4:36 PM
Meh. My coffee is getting cold.
 
At least you could in VS10.
 
@EtiennedeMartel mine went cold 2hrs ago
 
@TonyTheLion I'm not trying to make any sense actually
 
@kbok oh I see.
next time warn me beforehand
 
@TonyTheLion You mean your antelope ?
 
4:37 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes, True, but I don't think it would like the blank file when it wants to use a precompiled header.
 
so I don't get utterly confuzzled
@kbok my antilope ran away
 
Cold antelopes taste like shit, just throw it away
 
I'm too lazy to go fetch it
2 hours ago, by Tony The Lion
I'm a slow and lazy slob
 
slob ?
 
@TonyTheLion naw
 
4:39 PM
A lazy and slovenly person
 
@chris I'm confused. Create a new project, remove any crap from it, save as template?
 
"obese" mkay
 
wat?
obesity has nothing to do with it
I'm not remotely obese
 
> 2. (derogatory) A term used to insult a lazy, obese person.
 
You don't want to know who came to mind, reading that ^ :p
 
4:41 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes, But by default, the projects use precompiled headers, and I hate going through the setup and checking off empty, as I don't make too many big projects where pchs would be useful.
 
lol
 
So it'd still expect a #include "stdafx.h" somewhere.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Already posted here
@tweetsbi As promised, http://www.staggeringbeauty.com/
 
4:42 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Ow
 
Actually no
 
the fuck.
 
Oh, wow, I'm blind and not thinking at the same time.
 
I don't think my eyes are working properly anymore.
 
There's an empty project option along with console etc, and the project template includes the type.
Time for bed, even though it's noon.
 
4:45 PM
I'm giving kdevelop a try tonight
 
Its builtin vim mode sucks.
 
sbi
its
 
You don't have to use it
 
Xeo
4:50 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes, @sbi any specific meeting place at Schönhauser Allee?
 
Xeo
No shit, Sherlock.
 
The meeting place is the station.
 
sbi
Lemme have a few more tries to understand this, guys.
 
S+U ? You guys have some kind of code ?
 
sbi
4:51 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes There's S underground, U above ground, and Tram on the ground. That's a lot of space to miss each other.
 
Xeo
It's not like the station's that small.
 
yes, that got me confused when I was in Berlin
 
@sbi Oh.
@kbok It's the S-Bahn and U-Bahn station.
 
Okay
 
sbi
4:52 PM
@kbok S-Bahn is the Berlin city train, U-Bahn is it's subway, and stations are usually marked with either an S or U prefix, or S+U if the two cross there.
 
I say we meet at street level.
 
Why not meet in the sky?
 
Why not meet in the bar
 
@kbok "Suck you".
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes The most convenient would be Tram M1 anyway.
 
4:53 PM
@sbi Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
@sbi "its"! Gotcha!
(And your two minutes are gone :P)
 
its war
^ Notice the pun
 
Xeo
@sbi No objections to that.
 
 ('<
 /V\
<(_)
  ~~
 
Is there a scheduled time that I missed already?
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ape said he'd send out sms when he leaves.
 
sbi
5:06 PM
Heads explode as Twitter runs better on Java than Ruby http://reg.cx/1YNv via @regvulture
16 mins ago, by sbi
Lemme have a few more tries to understand this, guys.
 
@sbi Why is that so surprising?
 
Of course Java is faster
And more robust as well
I fail to see the point
inb4 "Twitter uses Java so I'm building my new startup social site in J2EE"
"Java > Ruby says Twitter"
"Ruby developer blogs about the fact that a for loop in ruby is not slower than the Java equivalent"
4
etc.
 
Xeo
lol'd
(note: japanese reading directions, right-to-left, up-to-down)
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel Is it? I didn't know.
 
@kbok Java is a great platform. The language itself sucks, but the JVM is good.
 
@jalf Isn't that a satirical news site?
 
I dunno, but I kind of hope so. The site name is too good to waste on real news :D
 
It is, I got fooled by that site once
 
I should blog about this stupid C# versus C++ guy, it makes me angry
Well it does not make me actually angry, but more like internet-angry, as in "I want to downvote him" or "I would insert an angry smiley if there was such a thing"
I wish I could downvote people sometimes
 
well, there's your post title: "this makes me internet-angry"
 
5:21 PM
I thought about something like "Yet Another My For Loop Is Bigger Than Yours Post"
Because you know, it's how you use it that counts
 
I like the other one better :D
besides, the whole "yet another [X]" thing has been waaay overdone already :D
 
That's true
 
Could just remove those two words though. The rest of the title would work fine without
 
maybe "My For Loop Bigger Than Yours Post Makes Me Internet Angry"
 
sbi
Well, Ok, this is the moment I give up on this for the day. @R.Martinho, @Xeo, I can be at Schönhauser Allee by 19:21. How about you?
 
Xeo
5:26 PM
19:21 too, for me.
 
I should force myself to write stuff for my blog
 
sbi
Shouldn't you worry about the title after you've written the blog post, @kbok?
 
Xeo
Although I'd need to get going right now to catch that train.
 
@sbi I know I should :)
 
sbi
@Xeo Ok. I am sure @R.Martinho can make this in time. He can walk to there. So I'll arrive at 19:21 and we'll meet at Tram M1.
 
Xeo
5:27 PM
If I miss the train, I'll be there 10 mins later.
 
@kbok Hm?
 
sbi
@Xeo If you miss two, you're on your own. So get going!
Bye!
 
I'm like those people who create projects on GitHub, choose a great catchy name, write doc, and not a single line of code
 
hogging all the catchy names
 
Xeo
@sbi Bis gleich.
 
5:30 PM
@kbok With a "fork me on github" link at the top right corner of your web page with a minimalist black and white design?
 
@EtiennedeMartel No, more like the kind of guy who opens up a bitbucket, set up a forum, a wiki, an irc channel and a buildbot and then drop the project :p
 
Subtle.
 
Anyway, the blog post was from a guy who said "I don't understand why Sutter says C++ is twice as fast" and then proceeds to perftest for loops in C#
 
yeah, that was a good one
 
@kbok Link?
 
5:35 PM
I can't find it :(
 
5:49 PM
Oh God. My favourite C troll just told me that pointers, arrays and shit are necessary for newcomers, because programmers need them!
He also told me that he loves book where author encourages reimplementing standard library, and recommends it for newbies.
And he also said that newcomers should use exactly NO library at start.
And that I'm disturbing them by mentioning std::vector and std::map, that nobody should use them at the beginning.
 
Newcomers should write everything in raw hex
Actually newcomers should start by wiring manually vacuum tubes
 
I wonder how much problems he'll encounter in real life, where his favourite C doesn't work as he imagines. And where something that has "1k+ classes" (his definition of "big project") is broken by the fact it uses 1k+ classes (seriously, I cannot imagine need for 1k+ classes in something that is not to be considered "huge" (as opposed to "big" and "large") project).
 
So that they really understand what's going on
 
:D
He also called standard library "STL".
:F
And he at first was like: "programmer should be lazy and use everything he can!", but then he was like: "programmer should reimplement all possible libraries!".
 
You know, some people just never realize something is broken
 
5:54 PM
Then = 30 minutes from "at first".
Hah, the best part: he said that CS educational system is perfect, because it teaches pointers, arrays and stuff at first!
Some people just never realize that their way of thinking is completely broken.
 
A lot of people think like that though
 
But wait, I didn't finish that one yet :P
 
@Griwes These days, that'd be a better course. The others don't teach anything.
 
He claimed that learning one specific language is better than learning algorithms and thinking in abstract way!
 
@Griwes my CS degree didn't
 
5:57 PM
@Griwes Who's that idiot?
 
@DeadMG I'm leaving the fact that CS educational system sucks not only because of the order it teaches things in, but also because CS teachers and lecturers suck!
 
He's just a noob you know
 
@EtiennedeMartel My university "colleague". // not sure if this is the correct way of stating this :D
 
argh, hurry up library working group chair
I want to list my proposals on my CV
 
list them anyway, and just add a note describing their status
 
6:00 PM
could work
 
although of course it's more fun if you can list a proposal and say that they're actually going to use it :D
 
@EtiennedeMartel He's a dude that claimed that I must know nothing about GUI programming if I never used <list of completely unknown in real world GUI libraries>.
 
but just saying you've submitted a proposal is a lot better than nothing imo
 
He's also somebody who claims he wrote his own vector and unique_ptr in C, and it behaved better than their C++ equivalents (I'm using that last word loosely).
 
that I doubt
 
6:01 PM
he sucks
@Griwes Do you remember which ?
 
@kbok Hey, I'm not perfect English user, and I'm on damned Polish version of windows that knows only some English words.
@kbok I don't. But I've never ever heard of any of them before he mentioned them.
@kbok lol @ edit.
 
hmm
 
But meh. Trolling and flaming him will be fun.
 
> Authored proposals to the C++ Standardisation Committee on interfaces to support Unicode, to support more flexible and modern IO, and to support trampoline generation for interoperation with C APIs.
goodness/badness?
 
"to support" twice ?
 
6:12 PM
three times :P
 
yeah
Sorry
three times is OK ofc :p
 
lol
should have thought about adding it before applying for thirty jobs
oh well
 
Goat cheese is soooo good.
 
lol
 
I'm not sure the guys who hired me even had a look at my CV
 
6:19 PM
Everything about that Apple patent is so stupid, I don't even know what to say
 
What patent?
 
@DeadMG Hmm, just for the sake of honesty, it might be best to make it clear that they have been submitted but not accepted or discussed by the committee yet. At least my first thought when reading that would be "cool, you authored parts of the C++ standard", and then the second thought would be "no wait, that stuff isn't in the standard, so you were just misleading me"
I know what you said was actually 100% accurate, but it might be easy to misread as saying something you're not
if that makes sense :D
 
PLEASE BROTHER CAN YOU GIVE COMMENT FOR MORE DETAIL IN YOUR CODE, I CAN HARDLY UNDERSTAND WHICH METHOD FOR WHICH JOB, I AM A NEWBIE HERE, THIS WILL BE GREAT IF YOU HELP.. THANKSS — user1798995 3 hours ago
hahahahaha
 
@CatPlusPlus Right. But it's a design patent. Not a utility patent.
 
6:22 PM
fuck patents
 
Death to all patents
 
I always saw The Verge as being incredibly pro-Microsoft and anti-anyone else.
 
PLS BRO CAN U GIEV COMENT FR MER DTALI IN U CODZ THX BRO
 
@jalf Your drift: I get it.
 
I usually type "frameowrk" instead of "framework"
must be my cat side
The harder I try, the more garbage I type
> FRMAEOWKR
 
user1804599
6:29 PM
TIL about Redis.
 
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Q: C++ template-argument dependent decltype in ABI mangled name

Travis GockelConsider the following function: template <typename A, typename B> auto Min(A&& a, B&& b) -> decltype(a < b ? std::forward<A>(a) : std::forward<B>(b)) { return a < b ? std::forward<A>(a) : std::forward<B>(b); } The fragment Min...

 
out of curiosity, is the format of a function pointer defined by the standard or the ABI?
 
6:52 PM
what do you mean, "format"?
 
well, the "classic" format of a function pointer would be a simple memory address
can it be something else?
like how method pointers aren't just a memory address
if it can be something else, I assume that what it is is defined by the ABI rather than the standard
 
Implementation defined.
 
thank you
 
Ell
There is no standard ABI
 
I know
you had to read "the ABI [of the platform] rather than the standard"
 
7:07 PM
SO timing out?
nvm, it's back
 
@Griwes dafuq?
 
If anyone wants to drool at a machine running Windows and 256 GB of memory...
One of my beta-testers apparently has a pretty large e-penis.
 
@Mysticial nice. beta testers for y-cruncher?
 
More like an early Alpha tester.
 
for version 0.6?
 
7:30 PM
Yeah...
50 billion digits - all in ram...
like holy shit...
 
@Mysticial Wait, I thought 256GB was the minimum requirement.
 
Where do you get that kind of hardware
 
@Mysticial very nice, already 2012 server
 
The guy says v0.6.1 with the new 50b+ algorithm is causing a large temperature imbalance between the two sockets. He's trying to sort that out before doing any further 50b+ tests.
I guess he never ran Linpack on it.
 
7:36 PM
@Mysticial linpack suckz
 
-2
Q: stackoverflow question counter limited to 4 bytes?

pbhdI'm obeying the question counter in stackoverflow for several days now. It's about to overflow the 4-byte-integer limit, but somebody seems to be eager to delete old questions to avoid that. So: Is this system using a 4-byte integer to count? If yes, why? :-)

 
eh?
Man I sure love downvoting on meta.
-1
A: stackoverflow question counter limited to 4 bytes?

pbhdHmm. Ok. I see. Nobody is joking here.

By the way, he's actually in chat. Right next to Nican.
 
Oh, so I can ping @pbhd like this.
 
There's a SO question about a blog post of mine.
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Q: C++ error: was not declared in this scope with private after public

user1594322Attempting to modify the code from this page. Here's the problem code: #include <iostream> #include <array> template<class T> class const_reverse_wrapper { public: const_reverse_wrapper (const T& cont) : container_(cont) { } decltype( container_.r...

I should go fix the code now :p
(Thanks @Xeo)
 
7:59 PM
lol ^
 
dang
qt only provides sources for VS 2010
oh well
the VS2010 ones will probably work fine for VS2012
 
VS2012 and VS2010 should be compatible.
 

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