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Alas it would make no sense, I have not kept anything Rebol related going but a bit of hope.
 
 
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2:28 AM
@tomc hope for what?
 
2:48 AM
posted on January 06, 2021 by hostilefork

As things have slowly nudged along in the function composition space, I've kept a generic reordering facility in mind. And today... less than a week into 2021... we have a first version of it, tentatively named REORDER. >> append-value-first: reorder :append [value series] >> append-value-first <item> [a b c] == [a b c <item>] As with other function deri

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7:48 AM
if you mention me, I would like to say that I am not triggered when Red is mentioned, I just can't stand idiotic bashing of Red based on fantasies and not on facts.
As an example, Graham made a good suggestion which you called "dumb" and started your typical Red bashing which Arnold of course joined with a poor joke.
It's interesting that on Red Gitter, you'll never see this childish hate against Ren/C. That speaks for itself.
@iArnold Right, Ren-C is a waste of time thanks to its creator and some members of its community.
 
 
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8:50 AM
@rebolek Now that is something completely different than what I said! I said that discussing between Red and Ren-C is a complete waste of time, where both camps can spend their time better continuing their development.
And the 32bit thing was a reality :-(
That 32bit thing (and sole interest in Bitcoin, when not mining then managing) is what drove me away from Red. This day and age with OS'es dropping support for 32 bit in favour of 64 bit only, there is no right for existance anymore when not advancing.
Lastly, yes, you do behave like bots that are triggered since a long time now. That really is sad. :-(
 
@iArnold Well, I don't agree that the discussion is a waste of time, but if Ren-C side can't stop with their childish insults then it probably is.
 
 
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4:09 PM
@rebolek Bot.
No sincere interest, just reactionary stuff. While in the meantime, I read Red code and issues and know all about it.
If you feel like presenting something, I won't be one to stop you.
@rebolek You don't see things on Red Gitter because the discussion topic is banned; you would if it weren't.
Perhaps you equate that with virtue.
I think being involved in crypto dialects was probably a direction they should have stuck with. At least that makes some solid tactical sense for a commercial endeavor in this day and age. The DiaGrammar thing, as a closed-source $79 product with no obvious market (or trial version) is a more puzzling choice.
This seems to happen frequently with people trying to design a language...and when the language can't get momentum on its own from its virtues...it shifts to the idea that a small userbase (who refuses to use anything but that the language) can use it as their power-tool to deliver superior software--through consulting services or products.
But doing it closed source and commercial seems to undermine the original vision, and it's not clear who exactly is going to be running to pay for it. I'd be interested to see the list of copies sold and to whom...though I doubt any numbers would ever be released (all serial numbers are 1, someone said)
 
 
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6:26 PM
@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE It's not banned.
 
posted on January 06, 2021 by hostilefork

I'm aiming to draw out the string labels in parameter lists into their own more compact form, that's just the pointer to the string name. We can think of splitting out the symbol as if decorations we currently put on the parameter would be moved to the block: func ['foo [<end> word!] /bar [integer!] /no-arg] [...] => func [foo '[<end> word!] bar /[integer!] no-a

 
7:00 PM
@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE can you please remind me what projects are there written in Ren-C and how it took monumentum base don its virtues?
 
7:11 PM
@rebolek You are missing my point... that if you're making a language, it (should be) your responsibility to work on the language and tackle the challenges which make it fit for purpose and worth evangelizing. That's what I'm doing. I pointed out that Red hasn't been able to do that, and the language foundations do not hold up under scrutiny...so making closed source apps and trying to say "only we can use it right" should lead people to be suspicious of the language proper.
I was addressing iArnold's remarks about whether working on crypto-stuff is good or bad, and I don't see it as being bad, if anything is bad about what happened it was the apparently fleeting/insincere commitment to it.
And just pointing out the sort of similar drift to how Rebol in its winding down period attempted a reinvention as a provider-of-Rebol-technologies-and-services consultancy, vs. being able to win over users for the artifact itself.
It doesn't seem to be a strategy that worked before and I'm not sure why it's worth it to try it again--with an artifact that is roughly at parity with the one that didn't work before, but bringing it to the game decades later in a changed world...with much greater competition and more sophisticated problems.
 
7:35 PM
@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE The language is still open source. There is one closed source product written using that language. What you don't understand about that? I'm not going to comment on Red lang foundations as I know your opinion and I know that it's just that - your opinion and not a fact.
 
@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE I don't see it as 'bad'. Just that it takes up 100% of the effort, leaving 0 room for all other stuff that needs to be done and without those feats you run full speed into walls.
 
@iArnold Their effort is not spent on crypto at all. Cross platform GUI code is near 100% of the effort, for Win32/GTK/OSX
Read the issues and commits. (They have stated there is a Red/Pro and non-public development; the open-source part is, yes, open-source... tautologically speaking.)
 
7:59 PM
@rebolek I'm still interested to hear what they have to say because I don't read their sources or follow their progress. Who do you think would be willing to give a presentation?
 

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