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6:00 PM
It also sounds like the "frames" part was from the 1995 version of the class and someone later "updated" it to include "something about layers"
 
@Nathan Oh cmon. It must be IE only behaviours
 
@Raynos it is Ie only behaviours i fear
 
Nah.
Its a web expression GUI auto generated event handling thing
 
6:01 PM
It's like auto generated win forms event handling
 
inline JS then?
 
Ololololol. :D. Man your course sucks.
Tell them to replace the entire course with "Create a website that gets 1mil unique views by the end of the year"
With a PASS/FAIL.
 
@Raynos I am re-writing all the practicals
 
Good :)
 
assessed ones at least
 
6:03 PM
Want me to help and be pedantic ?
 
but ofc
 
shudders
 
@Nathan >_>
 
shuddering at "Adding Behaviors to page elements in Microsoft Expression Web 2", not pedantry, of course.
 
6:04 PM
Oh ok. That's reasonable.
 
soo inline JS here i come :D
YAYYYY
 
Use hidden iframes in your website :D and hack your teacher.
 
hahaha
We have to dmeo the site to him
so not only is it crap
 
<iframe src="childporn" onload="callpolice()" />
5
 
we can reason marks out of him
Hahahahaha!
theres 3 marks right there
 
6:06 PM
Just make a youtube clone.
 
I have a funny feeling that i might get docced marks for php
as we are meant to use Expression Web ergo ASP.Net
 
Really?
Oh just use ASP.
ASP isn't that bad.
 
Yeah last time it was touch and go too
Yeah but all im doing it adding includes
 
ASP/JS isn't that bad >_>
 
so im thinking -> upload to my domain as a subdomain so he wont know that its php cause i wont have to set up a web server then
 
6:07 PM
#include phpparser.inc

php("... php codez " +
  ...
 
you use .inc?
 
What's wrong with .inc files?
 
i always use .php for ma includezzz
so i can haz syntax highlighting
 
You realise #include is asp thing right?
 
2/3 of the programs i use use the extension to determine language
oh yeah i know
but it breaks code highlighting
 
6:09 PM
You just need a decent syntax highlighter :P
One that isn't tied to the file extension
 
this one was $80 :/
TextMate... supposed to be "the best"
 
TextMate is good
Customise it moar.
 
textmate is pretty nice looking
 
I have my .inc files highlighted as html
 
can you specify lang in TM?
i have a couple of packages included but they aint doing the job
 
6:10 PM
Write your own.
 
problem with ASP is its done being updated
 
@Loktar has it been axed?
 
I used to use it back when I first started web dev, before .net took off
basically @MylesGray last update was 3.0 and that was like 2000
 
what the hell does "Background image to H2 style." mean
add a background image in css for the h2?
 
i just think its icky.. because its vbscript
 
6:12 PM
or have the letters with an image background
 
@Loktar not really. You can use ASP with JS
But yes you want to use ASP.NET 4.0 with C#
 
yeah asp is server side
of course you can use both :P
 
I take it this: Stack 2 images using CSS Backgrounds. means set one as background and another using img tags?
 
i just mean its syntax
I dont like writing End If ect
I just use it when I have to do something quick and dirty... on a windows server
 
@Loktar you can write ASP in JS or VB
 
6:14 PM
@Loktar that could be handy in some instances
 
I just try to stay away from IIS altogether
 
IIS = phail
 
ASP is just like an API for a server. You can write it C# or JS or VB
 
ooooh i see what your saying @Raynos
 
I prefer ASP.NET to php >_>
 
6:14 PM
oh so kinda like the php framework? provides things like $_SERVER
 
php is hackathon.
@MylesGray yes.
Like node.js basically.
 
@Raynos your just an M$ fanboy :P
 
you can write node.js in anything you want
 
awaits flames
 
I thought you meant mixing JS with ASP, and I was thinking duh. Yeah its default syntax is vb
 
6:15 PM
@Loktar only fags write VB :O
Pros write COBOL '68.
 
lol well I did find it odd if you were advocating for vb a tall
 
@Raynos Haha :p
 
I honestly didnt even realize you could write asp in any supported MS scripting language
my thoughts on php vs .net vary.. idk.. php just seems faster to get things done
 
IDENTIFICATION DIVISION.
PROGRAN-ID. HelloWorld.
AUTHOR. Milo.

ENVIRONMENT DIVISION.
CONFIGURATION SECTION.
INPUT-OUTPUT SECTION.

DATA DIVISION.
FILE SECTION.
WORKING-STORAGE SECTION.
LINKAGE SECTION.

PROCEDURE DIVISION.
DISPLAY "Hello World".
STOP RUN.
Isn't COBOL beautiful <3
 
needs moar capital letters
 
6:17 PM
@Loktar php is just hackish to me.
 
not loud enough yet
 
@MylesGray Cobol is in capitals. All the keywords are capitals
 
yeah @Raynos it seems to be that way if you don't use some sort of framework
 
Oh though tbh
Why would you want php when you have node.js ?
Any pro would take node.js over php any day.
 
Any reason this would only activate home?
var loca = document.location.href;

// Get document location and specific page. Highlight a navigational
// button that is relevant to the page being viewed.
if (loca) {
	if(loca.search(RegExp("((/[\w]*)\.php)")) != -1) {
		activate(loca.match(RegExp("((/[\w]*)\.php)").split("/").join("")));
	} else {
		activate("home");
	}
}

// Activate a button
function activate(bName) {
	$(".button[name=" + bName + "]").css({
		"border-left": "1px solid white",
		"border-right": "1px solid white"
	});
}
 
6:18 PM
@Shaz WALL OF TEXT
 
yeah but the devs even say dont use it for prod stuff yet
php is a bit more tried/proven than node.js still
 
@Loktar thats because the devs aren't pros yet.
 
Once we get some well known sites using it heavily I think itll get used more
 
@Shaz loca is the worst variable name I've ever seen
@Loktar be the first. Cloud9IDE runs on node :\ What more do you want
 
i dont have any super popular sites :P
 
6:19 PM
@Raynos Lol
 
closest is zombiegames.net
and it gets max 20k a day
would be a fun experiment though
i need to rewrite so much of it anyway.. so much is jacked up on it
i just get lazy
 
Meh. We need moar node.js
Should we as a community start up a website project? Get a real beast up and running in node.js
 
@MylesGray maybe "background image to h2 style" is a reference to [css image replacement](www.google.com/search?q=css+image+replacement) ? That would be uncharacteristically modern and good compared to the rest though.
 
Id be down to help
 
@Nathan I just read the section in the book
it means put a background image behind the h2
definatly not image replacement...
 
6:23 PM
has anyone actually used cloud9ide here?
 
yes
 
what's your opinion of it?
 
I havnt used a personal Ide since c9ide
 
@Greg yup locally
 
the more i follow this guid eht more 90's the site looks
 
6:24 PM
hmmm I'm still making my mind up
 
yeah its so bad DropBox wont allow it to be uploaded :/
there it is :D
H2 bg FTMFW
@Nathan found out what stacking images means:
Stacking Order Means You Can Pile Your Images
Because background images are style elements contained within the box model, they
act just like any other feature in the box. The most obvious advantage of this is that
it gives you the ability to stack multiple images on top of each other, just like a pile of
photos, by setting them as backgrounds for different elements. This method also preserves
any transparencies (if the browser supports them), meaning you can place one
transparent image on top of another one and see one through the other. In fact,
so just have a different bg for one div than the page...
:P
 
I just read these geeky yet readable details of a recent Anonymous hack of a US security consulting firm... so full of FAIL by people who should've known better.
 
@Nathan Gary McKinnan - the guy that hacked the FBI with Aspergers got in using a blank password scanner
Is it a bad idea to have this on a practical site that is being marked... I fear i may be a bit too sarcastic:
<ul>
	<li>Wow look a list with image bullets!</li>
	<li>Hey it actually is! That's pretty cool!</li>
	<li>I think this is the last item</li>
</ul>
 
This web page was blocked because it is considered inappropriate.

If you have any questions, Please contact your network administrator.

Host: www.gravatar.com
URL: gravatar.com/avatar/4631ea73d
Reason: Social Networking
 
@Shaz do you work in the government?
 
6:33 PM
@Loktar Classified
 
lol well it looks really familiar to messages I get :P
 
But no, I'm at a High School
 
REALLY familiar
ah ok
well that makes sense too
might use the same filtering, like bluecoat or something
 
I don't go to High School, but I'm at one :P
 
ah ok lol
 
6:34 PM
They use Untangle
 
Some of those reasons are so retarded, they crack me up
especially some of the sites that get blocked
 
Yeah I know what you mean
 
We use untangle here (at my dads work)
 
"SQL Injection". A security website? Vulnerable to SQL Injection?. Fire them
Incompetance makes the world go round
 
@Raynos it gets even worse...
 
6:39 PM
:(
That's an incredibly arrogant statement. We do need some more QA though.
1 message moved to bin
 
Any ideas what this means:
5.	Buttons: Show min. 3 different Interactive buttons created using Expression.  Show box & advance box buttons created using CSS.  Show 1 text free button with sliding doors.
 
6:55 PM
@Raynos thanks worked it out myself - means buttons with an onhover and onclick states
sliding doors = tabs O_o
what was my lecturer smoking
 
Weeeed
"Oh man. Those kids, I'm going to make them feel the pain of writing websites in '96. Screw standards. These kids, they need to suffer"
2
 
Thats exactly how i grew up
with marquees and blinks aplenty
and sometimes even blinking marquee backgrounds
heaven
 
7:22 PM
Hi @IvoWetzel!
 
7:36 PM
Hi all
can i post my question
 
@Nathan Hi there
 
i have a large table which i display it in a popup window when the user click on a link. My proplem is that it should be an horizontal scrolling in the popup window so that the user can watch all the table, however, it`s not my case
:( how can i fix the problem..THX in advance
 
user1385191
your question needs context. please provide a link and/or code.
 
someone from manning.com has send me a mail about my interest on doing a book in Garden style
 
here is my code :
<script language="javascript" type="text/javascript">
<!--
function popitup(url) {
newwindow=window.open(url,'name','height=500,width=1000');
if (window.focus) {newwindow.focus()}
return false;
}

// -->
</script>
<a href="StationsPopup.php" onclick="return popitup('StationsPopup.php')">Voir le tableau complet des stations</a>
 
user1385191
7:46 PM
those covers look familiar
 
user1385191
 
user1385191
aha
 
user1385191
the guys that designed a cover for a book about "ninjas" with a samurai
 
well they published: manning.com/skeet2
!!!
 
user1385191
oh right
 
7:48 PM
Although it looks that is the only book that is actually noteworthy :D
 
is "horizontal scrolling" an option which i must add to the javascript function ?
 
user1385191
"scrollbars If this feature is set to yes, the new secondary window will show horizontal and/or vertical scrollbar(s) if the document doesn't fit into the window's viewport. "
 
ftw
 
@jon3laze I use an extension for that, how do you do it?
main culprits for my block list are ExpertsExchange, W3Schools, About.com
 
8:01 PM
@Greg Google finally implemented it as a feature. When you search if you end up on a site you don't want results from go back to Google and a link will show up under it allowing you to block results from that specific site.
 
so scrolling is an option to fix in my web browser ??
isn`t ?
 
@jon3laze great!
 
@Greg yup, happy day when that happened :) googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/…
 
I don't have the option yet
 
user1385191
@Malek you set scrolling with window.open
 
8:06 PM
Should Cloud9Ide have any code completion?
 
@Matt thank you thank you thank you :))))))))))))))))))))))))))
 
@IvoWetzel Manning appears to be a pretty good publisher, up there with O'Reilly and Apress. Definitely above Sams or Wrox...
 
8:35 PM
@Ivo: just read your JavaScript Garden. Best. Guide. Ever. Thank you for your work on it!
 
@yitznewton Great to hear that you like it! :)
 
@IvoWetzel you are quite awesome:)
 
@Raynos And quite lonely <_>
 
@IvoWetzel ;_; But you have a high payed JavaScript engineering job. Mention on DailyJS, weeklyJS & hacker news. And now your going to write a book. You are the popular man.
 
Love can't be bought...
 
8:37 PM
@IvoWetzel want to hit town? I'll show you a good time.
 
@IvoWetzel some would argue that :P
@IvoWetzel go out man!
you and Raynos take the place by storm :)
 
@Raynos First I have to move... right now I'm 4 hours on the train per day
 
@Greg it does not
 
@IvoWetzel kittens can be bought and in some cases even obtained for free.
 
oh...
 
8:38 PM
@Nathan ...
 
@IvoWetzel do that. spend the first pay check on a house
 
well I don't have any collaboration needs, so it's out the window for me then
 
@Raynos I heard the first investment was a new laptop and phone
 
@MylesGray No idea what I'll spend the money on...
 
@IvoWetzel short term gain? Seriously, reent a place close to work with the first pay check. As much as gadgets, fine dining and new electronics are awesome. Another 4h * 20 days is going to be a pain
 
8:39 PM
To be honest, I don't think I want to sit the other few hours of my day in front of a PC
 
@Greg who needs auto completion on js :\
 
user1385191
as someone who spends 2 hours a day 4 days a week driving around, you definitely should move close to work
 
I guess I'll buy a phone, some new clothes don't really know what to spend the money on
And my English sucks after a whole day of work -.-
 
I program JavaScript like I do any other programming language, and I'd like to know what inherits from what, what methods are available to static functions, etc.
 
@Greg ... Seriously? You expect to see intellisense like Java/C# for javascript?
 
8:41 PM
But hey I know where I can get rid of my money, online dating portals...
 
The damn thing is dynamically typed ! You can't get intellisense, it doesn't make sense
 
@IvoWetzel dont go there 40 year old spinsters....
 
read APIs of code. Complain about lack of documentation.
 
@Raynos like in Aptana when using JSDocs
 
Smart auto completion don't work. I guess having JSDocs is different.
 
8:42 PM
@IvoWetzel you also have a unique opportunity to start spending less than 100% of your pay... I wish I had done that when I was younger because it gets harder.
 
@Nathan I second that. I'm spending 85% of my pay and thats bad!
 
@Nathan Well I hardly doubt I can actually manage to spend 100%
 
@IvoWetzel a flat/house/home
 
and when run through JSLint and compiled, it helps me a lot to have auto completion and helpers
 
I'll have to pay around $600 € for the flat
(I guess)
 
8:43 PM
Ah.
 
Although I'm still looking for alternatives
 
You can get it lower if you share :)
get some room mates
 
and a kitten.
 
@Raynos That's already with one room mate :P Yes, Frankfurt is pricey
 
and a bonsai tree
 
8:44 PM
... a kitten proof bonsai tree.
 
@IvoWetzel I hear they make nice sausages though
 
@IvoWetzel 1.2K a month for an apartment?
 
25 Minutes on the train and I can get a 2 room apartment for ~450
 
@Greg >.>
 
Ouch.
I pay 600 for a really good flat.
In an expensive location
Scourge the market.
Where do you work again?
 
8:46 PM
@Raynos Scour?
 
@Greg They do... we were at a place for curried sausages yesterday
 
I mean hunt/search
 
The got different levels of spiciness there
 
I think I mean scour :)
 
Ranging from A to F (F like in FUCK my tongue just burned of)
A college of mine took a D...
 
8:47 PM
imho the daily commute adds up so fast, and time is even shorter than money. Though a train commute could potentially be redeemable and even enjoyable with study, etc.
 
user1385191
lol I'm late for most classes because of my commute
 
Good thing is that I will get relocation support
 
Why are you JS ninjas going to physical work locations?
 
Still I need to find a flat first
 
@Gourneau I'm physically working from my home today.
 
8:51 PM
Ohh nice
 
But I think the majority of real dev jobs worldwide are still at an "office".
 
@Nathan I wouldn't tele-commute. I prefer in-office working
 
user1385191
an office is infinitely better if not because of the lack of distractions
 
user1385191
plus you get paid when you're distracted
 
I have way fewer distractions working from home (1 day/week).
 
8:52 PM
Well, a big part of my job is interfacing with people. So I can't really do that remotely as effectively...
 
My office environment is a really crowded cube farm with constant interruptions.
But like @ircmaxell the interruptions are often part of the job.
 
Woot, I just launched my blog with its first post...
 
@IvoWetzel is that why you like to go into work :)
 
:D
and yes the fruit stuff is NOT made of plastic :P
 
8:55 PM
very nice
 
(There's actually more in the cabinet to the right)
 
@Gourneau I dont think were JS ninjas. (Maybe 'Wetzel)
 
@ircmaxell link to your blog?
 
blog.ircmaxell.com
 
@ircmaxell bookmarked! I expect to see some good reading material produced there soon :)
 

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