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12:01 AM
masochist
btw you should do your android project at home keep it secret ... don't tell a soul
then when you're ready release it with a great fanfare but avoid letting anybody at your work know as they'll try to claim it as their own because you were working for them
 
@Merlin LOL everytime I see your picture thumbnail, I think it's a skull with a viking helmet lying on sands. And then when I open it, I realize it's a cat with a hat. LOL
 
I totally see the viking helmet now.
once you see it...
 
@kcoppock LOL freeking awesome!
 
?
 
 
3 hours later…
Yul
2:47 AM
I need help
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11044005/contactss-manifest-explaination
 
user457812
3:14 AM
I REALLY WANT A KITTEN.
 
Yul
@nil: how to gain access this room? base on what condition?
 
user457812
You already have write access.
 
Yul
yes but i want to know :) i waited for a long time
 
user457812
Basically, don't suck.
2
 
user457812
Basically, if you're capable of communicating using real words and in English, have intelligent answers and questions, and you don't act weirder than me, then you're probably going to get in.
 
user457812
3:22 AM
Otherwise, I or someone else will grant you write access as an experiment.
 
user457812
Which I do fairly often.
 
user457812
In your case, I think you just got in by being smart.
 
Speaking of weird, I present to you Japan:
 
Yul
u check from questions+ answers ?
 
The things I find in my Google+ feed.
 
Yul
3:23 AM
on SO
 
user457812
I check the chat history, questions, and answers of every single person I accept/reject.
 
user457812
Speaking of which: @Yawus, you have write access.
 
user457812
I should see if I can find some way to force @kcoppock to do this stuff for me.
 
user457812
He seems like a real go-getter and I'd rather be lazy.
 
Haha
Today was my lazy day. Worked on some more of my Sudoku project, got frustrated and rage-quit.
I can help mod a bit if you want, though
 
user457812
3:25 AM
Frankly I would rather open the room up to see what happens, but I'm so far the only person in favor of this.
 
user457812
I'd have to ask Octavian about giving you owner status, so I can't actually do anything about that
 
Yeah, personally I don't think that's a good idea, but who knows.
 
Yul
:) i understand know. I'm new here. so if i do something wrong, just show me the right way.
 
user457812
@Yul Just try to avoid using "u" in place of "you" (and similar chat speak things) and don't paste gigantic code blocks and don't pester people (which you've mostly avoided aside from the "u" thing which I don't really care much about depending on the time of day and presence of sandwiches and the likelihood of a domovoi throwing a vase at me) and you're likely to be fine.
 
@nil That was sufficiently random.
 
user457812
3:28 AM
The chance of me taking away write access for any of those things is practically zero though.
 
user457812
I just tell people to stop doing them. They usually get mad at me though, probably because I'm telling them to not do something.
 
user457812
@kcoppock You owe Grandfather Domovoi one gutted deer.
 
Only one? I can spare at least three.
 
You could just say that you're telling them TO do something. It just happens to be "not what they're doing".
 
user457812
Don't provide the deer and he'll sic a rusalka on you, though there are worse ways to die.
 
user457812
3:33 AM
If it's not obvious, I like slavic mythology. I blame video games.
 
Heh, so I see. :P I had to google pretty much everything
 
Meh, at least you're not one of those pre-teen "gun nuts" that play COD all the time.
 
user457812
The gutted deer has nothing to do with the domovoi, by the way. I just like saying"gutted deer."
 
It's a beautiful mental picture.
 
And by "gun nut", I mean that they don't know anything at all about guns... Just what they do "know" from COD.
 
user457812
3:35 AM
@Yawus Yeah, I was more of the type who grew up on the adventure games of the '90s.
 
<--- plays COD pretty often
lol
Not really a gun nut, though.
 
user457812
I was a gun nut, but only because I spent a lot of time at firing ranges when I was little.
 
user457812
I still have an enormous stack of gun magazines around here.
 
I was/am more into the odd RPG.
 
Ha, nice. I have a pistol, but I haven't gone shooting for a while. I should do that again sometime.
 
user457812
3:37 AM
If anything, actually using guns just teaches you that they're dangerous and remarkably boring.
 
Yeah, I don't think I'm the type to trust with a gun (a little too jumpy) so I don't think I should pick one up.
 
makes a note not to sneak up and startle Yawus
 
user457812
Haven't been to a shooting range in about 12 years now. I have some guns myself, but I don't keep 'em with me. They're locked up in my parents' safe.
 
Yeah. There's a reason I wasn't allowed into haunted houses on Halloween when I was a kid...
First time I went, I punched the first zombie that popped up in the face.
 
user457812
Closest I've come to holding a gun in years has been to try out a few odd things that a neighbor had just because they were kind of once-in-a-lifetime chances.
 
3:39 AM
My hand hurt. A lot. And I was told never to come back.
 
Yeah, realistically they're near impossible to keep around you any time you would actually need it. I have a concealed carry permit, but I can't have a firearm in my car where I work every day, so I can't leave it in there. Kinda useless.
 
user457812
I should probably get to porting my old renderer to the new engine so I have something to test with..
 
lol Yawus, that's hilarious.
@nil What are you working on?
 
user457812
My game/engine.
 
user457812
It's a sort of change from the past since I'm so far doing all of the engine code as open source
 
user457812
3:41 AM
Which means it's horrible embarrassing even though nobody looks at it
 
Oh interesting. Yeah, I was about to say, makes you motivated to keep your code tidy.
 
user457812
Well, it's certainly not tidy.
 
I've been meaning to learn game development but I don't think my current employers would look too kindly on that.
 
haha
 
Then again, I'm done with them by the end of the summer so...
 
3:42 AM
And you can always learn in your spare time (if you have any, haha)
 
But then, I've also been learning Android coding for all of... four or five months?
 
Java background? Or starting fresh?
 
Kinda both. I'm in between majors and what I do know of Java has been from an introductory course or two.
 
Gotcha
That's pretty much how I started. Learned most everything just from answering questions on SO.
 
Heh, it's been learning from asking questions for me.
 
user457812
3:45 AM
I still haven't found anything to create a question for
 
user457812
Pretty much everything I need has already been answered
 
I've been hung up on this image tiling thing.
Shameless plug
 
I'm kind of at the point to where by the time I've formulated a question, I've gathered enough information to just figure it out by the dev guide. The Android documentation is actually pretty good.
@Yawus What's the question?
Nevermind, found it
 
user457812
I haven't checked the Android docs in a while except to point out random things to people
 
I managed to get it to tile, but it looks so freakin' ugly that I want to hit it with a stick.
 
user457812
3:47 AM
I spend most of my time either in man pages or Dash
 
But I can't. Because I'm programming on a company laptop. And I'd probably have to pay for it if I break it.
 
Linux guy, I take it?
 
user457812
Mac.
 
Haha. Yeah, you probably would have to pay for it. But it would be worth it, right?
 
Maybe. Juuuust maybe.
 
user457812
3:48 AM
I like Linux but it's useless as a desktop for me — one of the rare cases where I genuinely cannot get the software I need.
 
Unfortunately I don't really think I can help with that question, I've not played with any MapView stuff at all.
 
user457812
Someone had a question about mapview tiling a while back and it hurt my brain, so I'm giving it a pass.
 
Eh, my issue isn't really with MapView. My issue is getting the giant 1800x1800 image to tile properly.
 
Yeah, I've tried to like Ubuntu, but I just can't find it usable for what I do.
 
user457812
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Q: Using BitmapRegionDecoder to tile a large image

YawusI'm currently attempting set a large image (1800x1800) as an overlay on a Google MapView. I've figured out how to tile it, but I'm not quite certain as to how to place each tile in the proper place. I'm using BitmapRegionDecoder to chop the larger image into several 100x100 tiles. I'm assuming th...

 
3:49 AM
When you say it looks ugly, what do you mean? @Yawus
 
user457812
One-boxing it for reference.
 
Right now, it looks okay. For certain values of okay. But there seems to be meshing issues.
I'd post an image but I'm not on my company laptop right now.
 
if(okay == 6) { //what happens?
Haha, okay
 
And they block the chat-side of SO, so yeah.
 
Really?
 
user457812
3:50 AM
I wish you'd stop mentioning laptops so I could stop being reminded that I don't get my new MBP 'til July >_>
 
That's frustrating.
 
Yeah. I can still use SO but I can't touch the chat.
Not sure I'd want to get the new MBP.
 
user457812
I want that 16gb of memory and SSD right now.. so much memory. At least more than the 4gb in my current MBP.
 
Heh. It's just two+ weeks. A fortnight or two. Half a month.
 
I love tinkering so when I read an iFixit article thing, I cried.
 
3:51 AM
What's sad is that my work computer has 24 gigs of RAM...and Adobe Illustrator still randomly gives me out of memory errors.
 
Apparently, the battery's glued to the case and the memory's soldered on.
And they have proprietary screws and whatnot.
 
Yeah, soldering the memory is just....so wrong.
Also, dinosaurs.
 
user457812
I'm taking a sort of bet on the new MBP. When I get it, not much is going to look good in retina/HDPI mode, which I expect. But I also expect at some point this is going to be what all of Apple's displays are doing, so my bet is that developers will either update or die out.
 
Oh yeah, no doubt there will be a pretty mad rush to get HDPI apps out there. Maybe not as much as with the iPad (I figure the MBP is more of a niche market) but fairly quickly.
 
user457812
Thankfully, I can turn off retina mode and run it at 1920x1200, so that'll do.
 
3:53 AM
Yeah, but my issue is that when devs do update, the specs might be outclassed. And the new MBP is hardly going to be upgradeable.
 
user457812
I will have so many code windows open.
 
Heh
 
user457812
I doubt the specs will matter much.
 
user457812
The screen is the important part, the rest of the new MBP is sufficient for most people for at least three years.
 
In any case, what Mac laptop should I look at when I do want to start coding iOS apps?
 
user457812
3:54 AM
Does it have to be a laptop?
 
I know the desktops are cheaper, but I would like the portability.
 
user457812
If not, 24" iMac. If so, new MBP or a MBA. The rest of the MBP line is dying out if the new MBP is any indication of where things are heading.
 
When not if because I'm thinking about just diving into mobile dev and going in without iOS knowledge is like being in the zombie apocalypse without a fire axe. Or shotgun, I guess.
 
user457812
MBAs are excellent for the price, MBPs are basically there if you're willing to go all-Mac.
 
user457812
Nah, iOS development is pretty simple.
 
3:56 AM
I still don't like the fact that Apple requires a Mac to dev for iOS...
It just rubs me the wrong way.
 
user457812
Well, do you like the fact that Microsoft requires Windows to dev for Windows Phone 7?
 
Is there not a WP7 dev tool for mac?
 
user457812
There is not.
 
Eh, Windows Phone doesn't really have a large market share right now and if Google and Apple are going to have a say, it won't.
 
user457812
It's also worth pointing out that Google's dev tools work best on Mac OS so far. Windows support is a bit iffier.
 
user457812
3:57 AM
Linux is probably second best for support.
 
Hmm, didn't know that. Doesn't surprise me that they don't, I guess, but I just thought they did.
 
user457812
I think it might be a result of them trying to kill off Windows in Google.
 
?
 
user457812
When you work for Google and they give you a computer, you get the choice of a Mac or Linux computer.
 
user457812
Windows isn't an option.
 
3:58 AM
Huh. Didn't know that.
 
Ah, interesting.
 
user457812
I believe their particular reason for doing it was security issues.
 
I really don't get the hate on Windows. I mean, yes, there's quirkiness to it, but they're having to support thousands and thousands of legacy hardware devices, and backwards compatibility with pretty much every previous OS. It's amazing it works as well as it does.
 
Might have to go with Mac since I don't know a thing about Linux. At least I've touched a Mac. My dad did mess around with Red Hat but I'm not quite sure that's the same.
Is there an edit button thing here?
Nvm, found it.
 
Stuff like this is why I think opening this room to all would be bad: stackoverflow.com/questions/11044368/…
>.>
 
4:01 AM
How I English?
 
user457812
Also, it is amazing Windows works as well as it does, but it doesn't work well enough, which means that support is really only hurting it
 
user457812
Nevermind that Microsoft is doing its best to completely ruin Windows this time around
 
Heh. Yeah, I'm not sold on Windows 8.
No IT company in the world is going to switch to that.
Our IT had a hard enough time switching to Windows 7 (which is great).
 
I heard mention that it was going to be heavily influenced by smartphone layouts.
 
I think it's a great UI for a tablet
Not for actual work.
 
4:06 AM
But I haven't really been following news on Windows 8.
 
@Yawus Yeah, it is. It's a very beautiful UI, and like I said, for mobile devices I think it's fantastic.
But they're basically shoehorning the old desktop interface into it but forcing the Metro UI -- it's just clunky
Maybe I should reserve judgment till I try it...but I'm not impressed.
 
On a side note, have they gotten anywhere with that plan to do something with Windows and a giant table screen thingy?
 
Surface? I think it's been installed in a few major metro areas -- san francisco, etc.
 
I probably won't switch to it when it comes out. I'm not much of an early adopter.
 
user457812
There's a very noisy bourke in my room
 
4:09 AM
Bourke?
A kind of parakeet?
 
I've installed pre-release betas for Vista and 7; I just can't do it on this laptop unless I want to wipe my whole damn hard drive. HP in their infinite wisdom split it into 4 partitions which incidentally is the maximum number of partitions I can set (unless I convert it to a dynamic disk, which I'm hesitant to do from anecdotes around the interwebs) so unless I'm willing to switch all out to Win8, I'm not going to do it.
 
Just Googled it, to be honest.
 
user457812
The Bourke's Parrot (Neopsephotus bourkii, formerly known as Neophema bourkii), also known as the Bourke's Parakeet or "Bourkie", is a small parrot originating in Australia and the only species in its genus Neopsephotus. This species is sometimes placed in the genus Neophema and there is an ongoing discussion about the proper taxonomic placement of this species. It is a grass parrot approximately 19 cm long and weighing around 45 grams. It is named after General Sir Richard Bourke, Governor of New South Wales from 1831 to 1837. Description Wildtype (natural coloured) Bourke's...
 
I could virtualize it, but that's not as good of an experience as running it natively.
Heh, and you have how many of these birds again?
 
user457812
10 parrots, only one bourke.
 
4:11 AM
Wow. How do you sleep?
 
user457812
Wish I had more bourkes, they're awesome parrots.
 
user457812
Normally. During the day.
 
That's anti-normal. :P
 
Speaking of sleep, I should probably go and get some.
 
user457812
It's normal for me since I can only get anything done at night.
 
4:12 AM
Fair enough
 
I gotta get up for work in 7 hours...
 
I get 1 more hour of sleep than you if that makes you feel better.
Probably doesn't.
 
user457812
 
user457812
Here's a cat on a PSU.
 
lmao
 
user457812
4:14 AM
That's an oldie
 
I like to think it's a classic. :D
 
user457812
I think once I have my new MBP, I'll also need to buy a new monitor.
 
what kind?
 
user457812
Since it does two external monitors. Which means even more code windows.
 
heh
 
user457812
4:16 AM
Dunno. A high res one.
 
user457812
Irony being that it won't be higher res than the MBP.
 
Heh, yeah
You should get one of these
For all your code windows requiring perfect color accuracy
 
user457812
I do not see a price tag.
 
If you have to ask :P
 
user457812
I'll go browse dell for monitors.
 
4:19 AM
I think they're like 5 grand or so
 
user457812
The only reason anyone visits dell anymore: monitors.
 
ungodly expensive
 
user457812
Well, I no longer have 5 grand, so that's out o' the question.
 
Yeah, dell has some pretty good displays on the high end
I realized earlier I've planned nothing on what to do next after I get this sudoku board finished up. Still need to design a home screen, menus, preferences, level selection, graphics for other densities...
Gives me something to do this weekend. :P
 
user457812
I've mostly been avoiding writing the renderer by doing really stupid things
 
4:22 AM
Not looking forward to it?
 
user457812
It's fairly tedious to get it off the ground
 
user457812
Once it's working it's fun to go in and add stuff, but there's a lot of boiler-plate basic rendering stuff to do
 
user457812
So instead I spent today working on doing things like backing buffers with mmap'd files
 
What's mmap? Or should I just google it?
 
user457812
If you've got a terminal, you could also type 'man mmap' into it
 
user457812
4:25 AM
Assuming you can read man pages
 
user457812
In computing, mmap(2) is a POSIX-compliant Unix system call that maps files or devices into memory. It is a method of memory-mapped file I/O. It naturally implements demand paging, because initially file contents are not entirely read from disk and do not use physical RAM at all. The actual reads from disk are performed in "lazy" manner, after a specific location is accessed. After the memory is not to be used, it is important to munmap(2) the pointers to it. Protection information can be managed using mprotect(2) and special treatment can be enforced using madvise(2). In Linux, Mac OS X ...
 
user457812
Basically, mmap is what is best known as "awesome"
 
Haha, okay I'll go with that
 
user457812
On systems like iOS, it means you can effectively use file storage as extra memory.
 
user457812
4:28 AM
On Android it's probably less clear how well that works because reading/writing to an SD card is not may not be as fast as reading/writing to onboard flash memory
 
Yeah, and it depends per device whether it's onboard or SD. The Galaxy Nexus is all onboard and no SD. Some are more or less the opposite
That's interesting though
 
user457812
This is also why having an SSD in my new computer interests me
 
user457812
Because hot damn 256gb of flash storage. That's a lot of additional memory.
 
No shit. And the speed of those things from what I've read is an enormous difference
is slightly jealous
 
user457812
It's useless outside of development work (e.g., compiling meshes and such) since it's impossible to guarantee someone else will have an SSD (or whether an SSD will work better/worse), but regardless it's pretty handy for doing pre/postprocessing on files
 
user457812
4:32 AM
So I'm going to have to find some ridiculous amount of data just to fiddle with and see how it works out speed-wise.
 
Cool
 
user457812
Also just realized I could totally fit a working Linux installation into 16gb of RAM.
 
user457812
Sooo that's on my to-do list.
 
:O
 
user457812
Bleh, I don't want to work on this code, I'm gonna go watch Baccano
 
4:36 AM
Ha, okay. Have fun with that. I should probably get some sleep I guess.
 
morning
 
Good morning/night
 
good night ;)
 
user457812
Also, Baccano is free on YouTube, so in the event that you avoid sleeping, it's also there.
 
7:31 AM
@kcoppock that's rather tame compared to ...
 
user457812
Yeeep.
 
7:50 AM
Word
Morning people
 
mornin'
 
user457812
 
user457812
If that's the future, I'm sold.
 
o.O
 
8:08 AM
aww crap that reminds me ... I need a copy of snow leopard
and a superdrive replacement
 
Is it wrong to vote for people in the elections because they're hotter than the other candidates?
jcolebrand, Shreveport, LA
7.8k 1 18 43
 
user457812
No. Also, jcolebrand is a cool guy, I recommend voting for him.
 
Who am I kidding, that's how the real world of politics works, this shouldn't be any different/
 
user457812
I'm totally laughing at lucifer though -- he actually managed a negative vote count
 
" Started here 7 months ago by flagging/voting incorrectly "
Awesome
 
user457812
8:23 AM
7 months' time is not what I'd say qualifies as mod-ready.
 
user457812
7 months' time where you were gaming the system sounds like you should never be allowed as a mod
 
8:48 AM
Paid the last large bill for my wedding today :D
Only need suits & table decorations now!
 
user457812
9:00 AM
Cool
 
.... @WarrenFaith would be more excited
 
9:15 AM
Still nice to not have to think about how much I have to pay for everything :P
I like:
paddingTop
paddingLeft
paddingRight
paddingBottom
That that is a nice waterfall... makes my code pretty
... I'm tired today
 
9:34 AM
gratulations :)
we still wait for a date...
 
Warren, would you mind if I go through a list of things we have sorted, and you tell me if you can see anything I missed?
 
not today but
later would be ok
I have a presentation at 4pm and I need to do some things to be prepared
 
9:52 AM
@Graeme yes ... it's very wrong
 
ok - and @Merlin wha?
 
2 hours ago, by Graeme
Is it wrong to vote for people in the elections because they're hotter than the other candidates?
 
@warrenFaith thanks a lot for the help yesterday. getting the jar running was surprisingly easy and with the word list the password was restored in less than 1 second. really saved my day :3
 
glad I could help :)
 
Pffft - I'd vote for you!
It's the only way I'm ever going to win an election
 
10:03 AM
wow devs can now react on app reviews: androidpolice.com google cache @Glitch
 
Being the best looking in the room is my only chance!
 
my fiance said, if I would wear those glasses, she would request a divorce :)
 
... damn, now I need to lose weight and put on some muscle.
 
10:19 AM
hmm, where is @OctavianDamiean when you need him? :P
 
Then again, I'm a pretty good version of the type I'm aiming for. aka Bear
 
the tshirt covers my belly barely
what the... damn
I just saw that my presentation date was last week! O.o
I wasn't there and the week before another one was mentioned...
shit
some ideas on good excuses?
 
The difference between Ubuntu and Windows - my scanner experrience
Ubuntu - plugin scanner, connect usb cable, type scan in the search box, click scan button ... job done
 
@WarrenFaith Diahrea
 
Windows - install drivers for several hours give up and post the letter
 
10:34 AM
@WarrenFaith Did you say you have a script to brute force a keystore?
I shouldn't have found it so amusing that the guy yesterday lost his password, as it seems i've lost mine too
 
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
pees a little
 
>.< Not funny!
It's only funny when happening to someone else
Help me out pusscat :P
 
10:54 AM
mew meeew :)
here the script I used yesterday: code.google.com/p/android-keystore-password-recover
 
Well I got my just deserts ... my phone just fucked itself
stuck on hte samsung startup screen ..
what ... wait
oh it started again
 
well sickness as an excuse doesn't work
the prof saw me last week :)
anyway he is some kind of a good prof so I guess he will just give me the chance to present the sickest language (yeah, I talk about you ASP.NET!) in history
 
11:10 AM
asp.net is easy
 
it is easy, true
have you ever used webmatrix?
this "IDE" is bullshit
 
I used Visual Web Developer 2005 (because that's how long it's been since I used it)
 
yeah in VS you have at least some sort of code completion
 
Just download the express edition
 
I have MSDNAA access
got the vs 2010 premium for free
 
11:13 AM
oh well use that then
 
I do, but I present all 3 asp.net parts so webmatrix is one of them
webforms and mvc will be done with vs
 
oh I see
 
last thing I need is database connection for mvc...
 
damn ... no appointments at the hairdresser ... I look like the dulux dog
 
11:49 AM
I hate ASP.net
I created an sdf database and filled it with dummy data
the data is not displayed on the website and if I add new stuff using the website, the new stuff is displayed but it is not in the database if I open the table in VS...
 
^ Perth
 
12:12 PM
ok I am away. Have a nice weekend everybody!
 
12:36 PM
Still haven't managed to retreive my password...
 
12:48 PM
@Graeme: have you tried the link i've posted
 
Yup - nothin
It work for you?
 
what was your choosen attack?
nope, it was the stuff warrenFaith has posted. anyway the strategy is quite obvious, not?
 
smart dictionary - didn't find anything.
brute forcing in background now. very annoying.
 
hmmm in my custom word list i know i had delimiters between the words as well
so i put in
foo
bar
foo,
bar,
foo#
bar# and the like ?
 
I have no idea why I wouldn't have just used my usual password set :/
It's going to really annoy me until I figure it out :( :(
 
12:53 PM
hmm i had the problem for ~3 weeks therefore my wordlist was quite sophisticated... sometimes just some distance will help
 
how many keys were you doing / second?
 
hmmm well it finished in <1 second
 
So it didn't try and brute force it at all, it just used your dictonary
 
yes you can specifiy this at start
 
I obviously put something super random in there :(
 
1:01 PM
not even a tiny clue bout the structure?
for me the reason to not use my default password was because we're developing in cooperation with other companies atm. but anyway you're able to change the keystore password later so in fact there's no reason to user another password first hand. (that's not helpful right now, just wanted to share some of the insights I had ^^)
 
-.-
Well, this is all useful for future
I did start this project simply to ensure that I would find any pitfalls before publishing things at work or my own personal projects
things to remember 1: Don't lose your keystore password.
2
 
haha at least thats smart. i lost the password for our main product :3
 
:o!
 
yeah i felt ... uncomfortable ^^
 
I'm wondering if I used a different algorithm than SHA :/
 
1:17 PM
well if it has a few characters bruteforcing may take up days
 
Yeah, bruteforce has done 5 characters in 2 hours...
X characters will take ((X-1 letter time) * (26*2+10)) hours.
 
+10 ?
 
1:35 PM
0 to 9
that's without puntuation so...
I've modified the smart dictionary attack because I doubt I put random numbers in
 
1:58 PM
modified? did you found the source code of the script?
 
... yes? It's a google open source project
 

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