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9:32 AM
@Shog9 - the confusing thing about that blog post is the image has changed since 2009 - that wasn't my profile picture when I made that screenshot
 
 
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11:28 AM
hi guys
who is hot favorite for the post of moderator on SO?
can anybody lemme know?
 
@YuAndroid monitor the elections page stackoverflow.com/election
 
Okay
 
 
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1:09 PM
hi guys
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@ashish you might have more luck in the Android room
 
1:23 PM
@awoodland Heh, I know. Since the logins UI keeps changing, I've had to update it twice in just the last year.
 
 
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2:27 PM
Hmm @casperOne's MSO post makes me wonder if I missed something on the election page
 
@awoodland You didn't see my "screw all of you losers, awoodland is the only competent man in the room" comment?
Must've been deleted. Nazi mods!
 
Damn I meant to get a screenshot of that
 
3:18 PM
@RobertHarvey No, it's not, actually. There was a discussion in the blue room (see the transcript there). — casperOne 14 mins ago
Apparently, yes.
Is appointing new mods off the table from the team's point of view?
 
@LordTorgamus you mean skipping elections and going "benign dictator"?
I can't imagine that'd fly too well
 
I mean looking at the results of the elections and saying "How did Brad Larson not win, again? We're going to honor the results of the election and add Brad, too."
 
wasn't he next in line after jjnguy got called up?
 
Yeah, the fourth place finisher often makes it in. Sometimes the fifth place also.
 
Yeah, but so far they've only been doing call-ups when someone "higher" leaves, like what happened with Anna.
 
3:30 PM
Will and I finished fourth and fifth in a two person election. Kev and Lasse were fourth and fifth in a three person election.
I think in both cases, SO was growing faster than they anticipated.
 
The exact results don't really have much to do with my point. I'm just noticing that Brad has overwhelming support from the community and the current mods, and -- as far as I know -- he's not controversial, either. I don't see why they should wait to make him a mod.
Brad is just an example; this could come up with other people in other elections. Could even apply to George in this one, perhaps.
 
@LordTorgamus You can't assume overwhelming support from the community because of about 20 comments.
 
@YannisRizos Well, one of them is mine; the community pretty much just does whatever I say
 
I'm assuming support because of what I remember people saying last election.
 
it seems like there's less nominations this time around than last
 
3:35 PM
@awoodland There's still 5 days.
 
@LordTorgamus To be fair, Brad had great support last election, too, but it didn't come through in the actual voting. We can't draw conclusions like that based on comments alone.
 
@YannisRizos And, again, it's just an example. I am curious about whether the team would consider making an appointment if there were a candidate like the one I describe.
 
@awoodland It's still early, but we did go from 55 in the first election to 28 in the second, and there's no system message this time
 
I remember there being 20 odd nominations within the first 48 hours last time - I was sure I'd fall out the bottom in the rep cutoff
 
@LordTorgamus Highly unlikely, bordering on a flat out "no". We have elections to guide the moderator selection process.
 
3:36 PM
@LordTorgamus It's a good example. You can't assume overwhelming support from the community, because although it seemed that Brad had overwhelming support last time, he didn't make it.
 
Apparently not even all the moderators were aware that an election is in progress.
 
Also, @YannisRizos, would you vote for me twice if I promised to accept incoming migrations from Programmers?
 
@MichaelMyers the big banner at the top was far more attention grabbing than the community bulletin
 
I know, but since the Steve Jobs deal we've been extremely sensitive about using it
 
@AnnaLear Thanks.
 
3:38 PM
@LordTorgamus Nah, those are never rejected.
 
@MichaelMyers I wouldn't be surprised if the election ends without all the SO mods being aware of it
 
Or to be exact, they only are rejected 5% of the time...
 
4:34 PM
Is this where I come to complain about the big banner at the top? :P
 
I would've put money on them standing by the "no, it's in the box in the sidebar, everyone will see it" theory
 
I would like to vote for @BalusC
but how to vote for others??
 
First convince them to run
 
@FahimParkar You can't vote for anyone yet, we're still nominating. The primaries start in 5 days; see the explanation on the right bar
Also, you can't vote for people who haven't nominated themselves
 
JPM
Okay so how do you nominate one of those 10 people?
 
4:45 PM
@JPM in this phase people can nominate themselves
then after that you get a +/- for people
and then the top 10 go through to a final phase
 
JPM
Whats a +/- for people? You mean upvotes?
 
@JPM If there are more than 10 candidates, then the top 10 voted people get to move on to the election.
 
@JPM yeah, like a question or answer
 
@MichaelMrozek : ok, how to nominate
 
@FahimParkar Besides the fact that this is all explained on the election page, it was also just explained in here like 1 minute ago. People self-nominate -- the 10 people on the election page have all nominated themselves. You don't nominate other people. When the primaries start, you can vote for people who have nominated
 
4:48 PM
Can you nominate other people?
 
Right now, unless you're interested in running in the election there's nothing for you to do but read the nominations and comment
 
JPM
Apparently you nominate yourself...
 
Oh good. I didn't think you could.
 
ok thanks @MichaelMrozek
 
@minitech that wouldn't work if they weren't willing
 
4:50 PM
Well, it works that way for pro-tems on SE 2.0 sites, they just get asked if they're willing (it's not like anyone gets forced into it)
 
JPM
Yeah you need 60 minutes minimum each day to moderate on SO site. This site is unlike any other where its a huge responsibility
 
That's kind of what happens now informally because people ask people to stand via chat/twitter, but from the election mechanics anyone unwilling past nomination would make it more fiddly
 
Hi all
 
JPM
Who do yo think is the best candidate so far?
I'm leanng towards Andrew Barber
 
@JPM I'd say Brad
 
4:54 PM
@MichaelMrozek and now there is...
 
@Neal Yeah, they caved
 
@MichaelMrozek lol
 
JPM
@awoodland Although I am also going to vote for you awoodland.
since we have 3 positions open.
 
@JPM ditto
 
JPM
@Neal Well good luck to all of you in this election.
 
4:57 PM
Followed by... um... a difficult decision.
Yeah, I think Brad is the best candidate.
Oops, those messages came in backwards.
 
JPM
@minitech Hmm Brad is good too. damn this is going to be a tough election.
 
Yes it will.
 
I'm voting for whoever has the most entertaining gravatars when the election phase starts. No pressure
 
@MichaelMrozek YAY Doctor Who wins!!! (hands down :-P)
 
Guys, can anyone tell me, who has the eligibility to vote ?
 
5:05 PM
@sreecharan everyone [i think] :-)
 
@Neal Remove the tagline. Now. Please.
 
@YannisRizos which part? the ^_^?
 
@Neal Ok Next question, how can we vote ?
 
@sreecharan not yet....
 
> In the election phase, 10 candidates advance to final community voting. Any community member with 150 reputation may vote in the election.
 
5:05 PM
5 days
 
@Neal And the name.
 
@YannisRizos Why should I do that? it is not an SE question. It is an election and I want my name and moniker out there.
I will remove it soon if there is that much backlash, but I dont understand why there would be.
 
@Neal No, you don't have to, it's your nomination and you can have anything you want in there (within reason).
 
user1228
5:07 PM
If you want to win, show me your mod face!
 
user1228
 
So, 150 Rep is mandatory for the eligibility
 
user1228
This is me every time I destroy a spam account
 
@Neal Also giving up because there's backlash is not a good mod quality. Stand your ground, if you feel strongly about it.
 
@Will Sir?! :)
 
5:08 PM
@YannisRizos I am standing my ground :-) hence I am not removing it. but if there is an issue with it, I want to fix it.
 
@sreecharan 3000 to nominate yourself, and then something much lower to vote
 
user1228
@BartKiers I SAID SHOW ME YOUR MOD FACE! AAAAAAAAAAGH! THAT'S A MOD FACE!
 
@Will WHOAAAAH! ...
 
<(0-0)> <(0-0<) (>0-0)> (>0-0<) <(0-0)>

Dancing penguin?
 
user1228
@BartKiers Bullshit, you don't scare me!
 
5:10 PM
@Neal Good! It's not a popularity contest, you don't have to please anyone. Just prove that you're up for it.
 
@YannisRizos ...when did that change?
 
@MichaelMrozek When I got elected.
 
Mod Face
@Will
 
@sreecharan That's... accurate ;P
 
@MichaelMrozek lol
 
user1228
5:12 PM
@sreecharan You didn't convince me.
 
@YannisRizos I am
 
@Will Man, i have tried my best with my finger in my iPhone, I dont have stylus to be accurate
 
@Neal Cool. I want another PHP dev in the TL...
 
@Will Anyway, stylus wont work in iPhone
 
user1228
@sreecharan iPhone? Disqualified.
 
5:15 PM
@YannisRizos As do I :-)
 
lol
 
user1228
We need hard core, pipe hittin' mods for SO. The hipster mods get sent to AskDifferent
 
Beware the pipe.
 
5:41 PM
@MichaelMrozek You were right after all, @MichaelMrozek. Well spotted, as always
 
@awoodland First question for new SO mods, do you use the system banner for announcing elections on your site?
 
5:54 PM
@casperOne No way, system banner is for serious things like where lunch is going to be at, self promotion, and meme of the day.
 
@SamDeHaan You should be a mod. Like now.
 
6:12 PM
Whomever starred my Haggar pic with the pipe gets a diamond now as well for having good taste.
 
so how many moderators SO wants ???
 
I feel bad for whoever wrote the copy on the election page that explains everything. They should've just paid him to sit in here for a day
 
@NareshSharma 7
 
6:44 PM
@Will :-P
 
Three
 
@casperOne Pi
 
7:27 PM
@YannisRizos Are you there?
 
@Neal Hey ;)
 
@YannisRizos I fixed it ^_^
 
@Neal I noticed, thanks. Left you a comment, tell me if you want me to delete it.
It's no big deal, but it could create the wrong impression.
 
@YannisRizos yes yes I know. I had thought I had censored all of the other users' names
@YannisRizos yea, delete your comments and ill delete mine, just let me know :-)
 
@Neal I pull sillies like that all the time, but it's ok for me, I already survived the election ;P Deleting the comment now.
 
7:38 PM
@YannisRizos your comment is still there :-P
 
@Neal just deleted the second one.
 
@YannisRizos well now ur comment abt my image makes no sense :-P
bc it is before I post the image
Ok, now its gone, thanks @YannisRizos
^_^
 
Rather than censoring everything, I prefer to edit other people's names in there. For example:
 
7:40 PM
@MichaelMrozek lol
 
 
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8:46 PM
someone was very star happy with my not so great explanation of the process
@casperOne banner seems like the right thing to do - it's important and the process needs people to know it happens for it to work well
 
@awoodland Well the banner was removed :-(
 
Lix
well the red text makes it better no?
The red text in the bulletin makes it much more noticeable: thanks for that. Can something be done to make RPG's election more noticeable as well? — Mark Trapp 2 hours ago
 
@Lix that seems to work better than it was before
 
Lix
yep... as much as I despise that banner, I have to agree with you on this one...
or with casper
 
Hey @Lix, I hope you don't take my comments personally!
 
Lix
8:54 PM
@gdo - I'm well aware that I'm putting myself in the spotlight here... No hard feelings :)
 
@Lix You are active at meta, but as can be seen at my profile, I don't estimate this site or community too much. (I think meta is the Achilles heel of StackExchange...)
 
Lix
@gdo - do you think that there should be no meta at all?
 
@Lix. I think it's an excellent idea, but its community is awful. Look at my profile for a "live example"
 
@Lix Well the meta that is meta is really a meta for SE, and not specifically for SO
 
Lix
lol - I was looking at your meta profile :P I see what you mean now meta hater ;)
 
9:01 PM
@Lix. There're so many things to change and improve at the network, but the meta community is a barricade in the middle. I have several things to suggest, but I won't do it at meta. I have an algorithem to catch more then 99% of the serial voters, but I won't go meta doing it.
 
Lix
@nea - (woah...that was weird...) @ama.. (ahh much better)....
anywayz... yes - an actual SO meta would be kinda boring :) Meta.SE is much more interesting to me... stuff that touches more than just one site...
 
@Lix. My vote goes if at all, to the candidate that understand the problem with meta and willing to change it. There are very good ideas not implemented or even suggested because of meta shape.
 
You keep referring to a problem with Meta without actually saying what the problem is.
 
@LordTorgamus. See my about me
 
@Lix lol I forgot you know me better in the Tavern :-P
 
Lix
9:06 PM
I've only seen your "real" name through links I think :P
 
@gdoron but they tend to get drowned in not so great ideas and other noise. People rush in with great ideas and complain about things not happening but developer time is finite.
An MSO/MSE split would definitely be a good thing though
 
@awoodland. Agreed, but just wipe other people good ideas and thoughts, not my style or home.
 
@Lix Haha I have many many names :-P
 
Lix
@nea - ahh you see - I know that one too :P You forgot...
 
@gdoron Your problem is you got downvoted once and didn't realize what downvotes on meta mean, so now you hate it permanently?
 
9:08 PM
@awoodland Unfortunately, Nick thinks he knows better. I disagree. Vehemently.
 
@Lix & @Neal. ummm, then you're noth jewish...
 
@awoodland Is that a RL Bender?!?!
 
@gdoron Yep, I am jewish ^_^ and proud of it
 
@MichaelMrozek. Na, it's not about the downvotes at all. It's about the rudeness of the site and community.
 
@casperOne it was my fancy dress for new years eve last year
 
9:09 PM
@awoodland That is awesome.
 
lots of tin foil
 
@awoodland Or not enough.
 
the head is an old amazon box and some table tennis balls
 
@MichaelMrozek. The meta community are fixed. and it's just very annoying painful barricade on the way to the StackExchange developers.
@awoodland. I saw a post about a feature request, it was h-e-a-v-i-l-y down-voted, after a long time, his request was implemented, then he got a lot of upvotes. A lot of good ideas are lost this stupid way.
 
@gdoron link?
 
9:14 PM
@gdoron Now, that does sound odd. Do you remember which request?
 
@gdoron Yea, I have seen that before...
 
Lix
I think a view count on the elections page would be interesting....
 
@gdoron The same thing happened with my question: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/98369/155556 until a duplicate was created.
 
@lix, What did you mean by "view"?
 
Lix
9:17 PM
page views... like on questions...
 
@Lix. Still didn't get it, which pages?
 
Lix
on the election page... stackoverflow.com/election
 
@Neal. We should face it, meta is a crappy place with a very high potential.
 
@Lix If history is any indication, that information will be released after the election ends.
 
A lot of feature requests tend to massively underestimate the work to implement them, e.g. live updates everywhere was a huge undertaking as I understand it
 
9:20 PM
@casperOne. I would love to hear your voice about my opinion..
 
@gdoron That looks a little weird, but I don't think it justifies "everything is broken forever."
 
@gdoron Could you give me a link/reference to which opinion you'd like my opinion on?
 
Lix
@lor (again with the alter egos ;) so they release that afterwards?
 
@casperOne. "@Lix. There're so many things to change and improve at the network, but the meta community is a barricade in the middle. I have several things to suggest, but I won't do it at meta. I have an algorithm to catch more then 99% of the serial voters, but I won't go meta doing it."
 
9:22 PM
@gdoron If you pop in an earlier chat message's permalink by itself, the system will onebox it for you.
 
@LordTorgamus Chat is the domain of OT/TL/NC
 
@gdoron that's a pretty bold claim btw - if you can back it up it'd be awesome, but what makes you think deviants won't up their game a bit and sneak around it? Or that it won't get masses of false positives?
 
@LordTorgamus. It's not broken for ever, but we should know it's broken and we need to fix it, if we won't yes it's broken FOR EVER!
 
(I.e. can you do a ROC curve?)
 
@awoodland. I would rather keep my algo secret.
Jeff said how the current script works, and now every user know how to pass it.
Down\upvote 5 times, you won't be touched, if you can do a little pause in the middle, even better,
I rather not spread the word...
 
9:25 PM
in which case any replacement for meta isn't going to be better for it if you want to make it a secret
 
@awoodland. True, I thought to write there other things regarding to my idea, and other ideas.
But after my last post at meta, I just got sick and tired of meta.
@casperOne. Thoughts?
@LordTorgamus. Do you think it's broken?
 
@gdoron Did you make that statement or was it in response to someone else? I'm having trouble following the conversation.
 
@casperOne. which one?
 
10 mins ago, by gdoron
@casperOne. "@Lix. There're so many things to change and improve at the network, but the meta community is a barricade in the middle. I have several things to suggest, but I won't do it at meta. I have an algorithm to catch more then 99% of the serial voters, but I won't go meta doing it."
 
9:34 PM
@gdoron you need to use the reply to button to one box it
 
@gdoron Whether or not you like meta (it is a PITA at times), it's currently the mechanism by which SE and moderators discuss things about Stack Overflow and the Stack Exchange network. If you aren't willing to communicate, or contribute, then that's something I'd take into serious consideration when making my decision about them as a moderator.
 
@gdoron Er, no? Oneboxing only works for a small number of link types, though.
 
@gdoron e.g. that post would be :4016730 http://chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/4016464#4016464
 
Also, saying you have an algorithm to catch more than 99% of the serial voters, that's, frankly, bullshit, until you post up. Anyone can make grand gestures, but people value actions, more than doing.
 
@LordTorgamus Well, if you want to reply to someone and onebox, the direct reply is necessary.
 
9:35 PM
If you really don't like meta, and don't want to post it there, then you can post it as a hypothetical on Stack Overflow itself (question and answer). If you want to keep it secret, then you can email team with the details of your algorithm.
There are ways to contribute to that specific problem without posting on meta.
 
@casperOne. Do you want me to sand it to you?
send, of-course...
I can give sand too by the way. :)
 
ha!
 
@casperOne you can always post details of the performance of it (ROC or confusion matrix for given input data would be ideal) without showing algorithm details
 
Here's the thing, I have no reliable way of actually confirming it. I'll give you a disposable email if you really want to send it to me.
 
You worry too much, but o.k...
 
9:38 PM
Feel free to send it to: M8R-8d6ona@mailinator.com
 
I don't have to send a file, only a few sentences. believe it or not.
 
@gdoron No, if you are elected, you'll understand just how easily people put things out there they shouldn't =)
 
It's also worth noting that having a point is not necessarily the same as there actually being a problem that needs to be addressed, and I find that people react pretty negatively when faced with the reality of that. Voting on Meta can often be fairly disproportional, but I don't think that the system is particularly broken, especially given that Stack Exchange will do whatever they feel is best at the end of the day anyway.
 
@casperOne, It should take me couple of minutes, I'm not a native English speaker. But I do have sand!
:) LOL
 
@awoodland Yep. There's tons of ways around meta if you want to contribute to a specific problem. But not contributing to meta at all, that's an issue for any moderator.
@TimStone Eh, unfortunately, this is true, and it bites some people in the ass sometimes (those who are not SE, that is).
 
9:41 PM
@casperOne gdoron isn't running in the election. At least, not yet.
 
@LordTorgamus Shows how much I'm paying attention. TOO MANY FLAGS!
 
@lord. Not ever I guess...
@LordTorgamus. But I do appreciate those we does this hard work.
@casperOne. Sent it. What do you say?
@casperOne. Did you get it?
 
@gdoron give him a chance :)
 
10:01 PM
@gdoron Got it, sorry, was working. But I see a critical flaw in the algorithm.
I have to jet, but I'll tell you where I see it
"hidden value in query string". Think about that part.
I'll be back tomorrow around 7-8 EST.
Night all.
 

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