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12:04 AM
We get ever closer to one of my bit-fiddling wishes, which is to be able to have ALL [1 2 ()] be able to return 2 as the output result without having to copy each intermediate result into a temporary cell. So there's only one cell which is "overlaid" onto, with voids not writing anything at all to the output.
Basically that DO [...] and friends would always reset the cell with an end marker (out of band) and so the reason they can return void is by clearing out the cell on each step. While ALL would purposefully not clear out the cell on each step. e.g. if the cell was truthy-or-end before the evaluation, it would still be truthy-or-end afterward if you "overlay" the result. So all evaluations are overlays, it's just most overlay on END and such can tell you certainly if it was void or not.
@MarkI ^-- pretty geeky huh?
I say "overlay" and it sounds like an expensive thing, but the point is it's not, you overlay the void because you simply never actually write them into the cell if the return result from a native is R_VOID.
 
12:45 AM
@GrahamChiu Rebol WebServer set up. Disinstall+reinstall sl4abox -> choose "Rebol WebServer" -> a log window appears. Then test with browser: app filetree; remote url example; sl4a makeToast example
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1:14 AM
@giuliolunati It's so cool you're doing all this, I will try to hold up my end of the bargain and get all the evaluator things working as they should. :-)
The enfixing story feels, to me, now coherent...it's just a matter of a bit of a going-over on the evaluator to get left hard quoting (on all types)
 
@HostileFork :-)
 
While I know people stress about basic issues of the interpreter "doing things", e.g. does it have the right port model, can you do CALL properly, etc... I try and keep focus on the essential questions of the language itself. "Does it work, is this a good idea, if it is a good idea what is it suitable for..." Because in the scheme of things, (the "long tail") that's really the issue that eclipses all others.
I think there's a design in here somewhere which is like a Turing Machine, something kind of "universal". Though even turing machines have a number of variants: people.cs.clemson.edu/~goddard/texts/theoryOfComputation/12.pdf
 
1:37 AM
Scott Adams is a terrible person, so I probably shouldn't promote Dilbert comics, but I suppose we are supposed to be able to separate the art from the artist.
 
1:56 AM
@giuliolunati Thanks, I'll try it tonight when I'm back home.
 
Build 8b9631e from the 12-Mar-2017/9:11:05 is now available for download. These are the direct links for Win64 and Linux64‌​. No warranty of fitness is implied.
 
@HostileFork is there a link for rebolbot to grab the text associated with a build?
 
@GrahamChiu Well, the easiest thing would be to use git as part of your already-planned "post build script on travis from the linux 64-bit build", so you could pipe it out of git that way to wherever you wanted it. If that's unsuitable, then RebolBot would have to either have a git enlistment or do an http request to github on the commit version to extract the text.
 
Ok, I think we'll just have to finish working on new Amazon scripts before we do that then.
 
I do think we should put the git commit in the build itself so it "knows", I wanted the ability to extract the mezzanine/base/sys into a directory and then run against that, but hook you up via git if you made changes and wanted to send as a patch.
 
2:05 AM
The version 4 authentication needs to be put into a scheme or something and then we should be ready to go
 
e.g. make the executable willing to run against boot scripts uncompressed and sitting in your file tree vs. running the internal text, but also able to extract the internal text to give you that image for editing.
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"Un-encapping" (and "Re-encapping", if you decide you want to put those changes in the EXE permanently?)
 
@HostileFork So, like a copyright message?
Or a start up message
 
@GrahamChiu Cracked by the "Whoa That's an Easy Target" Crew
R3-Alpha "cloaked" (weak XOR encrypted) the zipped mezzanine, to reduce odds of tampering. I got rid of that because it just slows down boot.
 
so all the code can be binary patched with an editor??
 
Also I see no reason to ship an executable with pointless XOR encryption. If you want it, write it yourself.
@GrahamChiu It's compressed, but compressed on an open standard. Tough to do simple byte replacement or look for strings that way. I consider it hardly relevant given it's open source.
 
2:17 AM
And there's no checksum on boot?
 
Decompression has its own checksum (of the mezzanine text)
It can't meaningfully check the checksum of its own EXE, due to fundamental theorems of the universe.
 
2:32 AM
@HostileFork well, if it were published somewhere, it could check it against that
 
3:14 AM
@GrahamChiu Yes, well, but then your hash is the URL of wherever you put the signature, which is an indirection, which defeats the point a bit.
I was just saying you can't embed a secure hash in the hashed thing, and if you can, it's not a secure hash, by definition.
 
3:35 AM
@ShixinZeng Solution to long standing undefined behavior from R3-Alpha, since we walk the frames on a Fail_Core() there's no reason not to do the va_end() there. Whenever you use longjmp(), you have a lot to worry about. :-/
 
3:52 AM
@Brett In the "if you get a moment" category, could you check the mezzanine files for source badness (tabs instead of spaces, etc.) and also...while I guess I can't force everyone to not use line ending translations, could we at least say that if you have one CR LF in the file then they all must be CR LF?
I would rather everyone who enlists turn off the idea that your local files get CR LF, just because I think it's time we as a society moved on. blog.hostilefork.com/death-to-carriage-return
 
 
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1:28 PM
@HostileFork great, one less undefined behavior
 
@rgchris I'd like to learn how to use your httpd-renc.reb web server, can you help me please?
 
 
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2:49 PM
@giuliolunati I downloaded Slevogt
Sl4box
This morning, but I don't have a revolt interpreter in there, and can't download it from sl4box.
Where do I find it..
?
(I don't like typing on a phone... )
 
3:42 PM
@ingo Hi, which Android version do you own?
 
3:58 PM
It's a 4.4.4, cyanogenmod 11 actually.
@giuliolunati --^
 
@ingo Do you can start Kbox Shell?
if so, try kpkg -i r3
 
4:39 PM
@giuliolunati Thank you for keeping it up. Currently i
.. your help. I now get rebol-server and revoke and rebol-webserver. @giuliolunati When I tap on them I get a message that they are stopped.
 
5:05 PM
please try this in kbox shell:
`r3 /usr/share/scripts/start-webserver.reb`
@ingo But for the best, before that you may disinstall and reinstall sl4abox
 
5:26 PM
@giuliolunati I un- and reinstalled, I got rebol3 and rebol-server right from start.
With your commandline I get an error:
CANNOT LINK EXECUTABLE : cannot locate symbol "rand" referenced by "/usr/bin/r3.bin"...
 
5:38 PM
@ingo Arrgh! Very bad.... Thank you for find that bug.
 
@giuliolunati You're welcome.
 
 
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6:46 PM
posted on March 13, 2017 by giuliolunati

make -f makefile.boot OS_ID=0.4.4 ./r3-make -qs ../src/tools/make-make.r 0.4.4 ** Script error: join-of has no value

 
@HostileFork That would actually be great, and maybe would even help to get more mezzanine contributions.
 
 
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8:41 PM
@giuliolunati join-of is a non-mutating join that is not present in the old r3a binaries which are commonly used for r3-make
 
Build 0cabc9f from the 13-Mar-2017/17:38:49 is now available for download. These are the direct links for Win64 and Linux64‌​. No warranty of fitness is implied.
Build 0cabc9f from the 13-Mar-2017/17:38:49 is now available for download. These are the direct links for Win64 and Linux64‌​. No warranty of fitness is implied.
 
@giuliolunati What would you like to know? Am only around sporadically for the next few days, will try and keep up (if you need to, ping me an email).
 
8:59 PM
@rgchris Is it working now under renc?
 
@GrahamChiu Did it stop working?
 
And can you put them on github, even temporarily, so we can make PRs if necessary
@rgchris I"m only using a very early version since the later ones stopped working for me
You've probably fixed it I guess
 
The one in the Gist (with AltJSON) should be ok. Am not able to test at the moment (will need to go back to a Ren-C build that works with mac).
 
@rgchris so, not able to solve that non compiling issue?
 
Would have to learn some to know where to start.
 
9:06 PM
Just a general rebol question. In VID and r3-gui, the dialect turns set-words into values so we have [ field: "fieldname" .... ]
How does it do that?
 
Don't recall—is the dialect defined in SYSTEM/VIEW somewhere?
 
It's a general question. Given a block of set-words and values, how to convert the set-words into the values
h: [secret: "mysecret" access: "myaccess"]
for-each [word string] h [set word string]
That works in the console but not my script
I have to name the variables in the locals otherwise i get a context error
@Brett @johnk Anyone up for a Rebol meeting in Sydney this week? I'm holidaying later this week in Sydney.
 
@rgchris Thank you! Maybe I should start with a minimal example of usage ... e.g do %httpd-renc.reb and-then?
 
9:24 PM
things have changed but that's the basics using an early version
 
@GrahamChiu Oh, thx -- but which version of httpd.reb do you use? I'm using light one but wish switch to maybe more complete one
 
Yes, is that one I'm yet using for Rebol Server
I wonder if is worth to switch to httpd-renc.reb
@rgchris ---^
 
9:40 PM
This one for Ren-C.
This is the basic usage:
Feb 25 at 9:25, by rgchris
do %httpd.reb

server: open [
    scheme: 'httpd 8080 [
        probe request/action
        switch request/action [
            "GET /hello" [
                response/status: 200
                response/type: "text/plain"
                response/content: "Hello!"
            ]
        ]
    ]
]
 
@rgchris Perfect! :-)
 
This is a bit more complex. Is written for Rebol 2, but the HTTPD usage is very similar: Etsy Authenticator
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@rgchris Better use this than older one? Any advantages?
Please anyone can provide me a working linux r3-make to use in recent ren-c build?
@ShixinZeng @HostileFork ---^
 
10:08 PM
@giuliolunati You should be able to use the last R3-Alpha from rebol.com, the builds from rebolsource.net, or the latest from Graham's page... all should work, let me know if any don't.
@giuliolunati Just saw it saying it's failing... hm, let me see why
@GrahamChiu Is your script a module, and are you using "isolation"?
 
10:43 PM
@HostileFork it's occurring inside the prot-http.r
@HostileFork is there a reason why we're still using r3alpha for the make?
 
10:56 PM
@GrahamChiu Stable point, though I've discussed using Rebol2 as being maybe better. More people have usage for Rebol2 => Ren-C compatibility stubs than for R3-Alpha => Ren-C compatibility.
 
@HostileFork r3-forward?
 
But the advantage of being able to bootstrap from open source code is probably high enough to keep it with R3-Alpha
 
@HostileFork then why not use our own builds?
 
@GrahamChiu It exists, sort of...in an ad-hoc way: github.com/metaeducation/ren-c/blob/master/src/tools/…
@GrahamChiu There's no chosen stable baseline version.
@GrahamChiu But as I mentioned, Travis now does a full cycle; it builds an r3 using the old r3-make, then uses that r3 as r3-make in a rebuild.
 
there was that r3-forward though from @BrianH so this is r2->r3->renc?
@HostileFork oh, didn't know that
 
10:59 PM
If Rebol2 is running r2-forward (all recent builds do, by default) then yes, currently its compatibility shims would be two steps.
 

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