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12:13 AM
Probably
what OS are you on
 
12:36 AM
@AnttiHaapala Great, thanks
 
 
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1:38 AM
@Natecat I reinstalled the kivy module and still the same error. I am using ubuntu 15.04
I am using UCS4 build
 
1:55 AM
hmmm.... any pointers?
 
 
1 hour later…
3:20 AM
any suggestions on my issue?
 
user559633
That's a fun question Alexander Huszagh
 
print "+"*15?
 
DSM
3:37 AM
Fortunately the code won't actually work..
 
What does this mean The only way to solve this problem is to use extension modules compiled with a Python binary built using the same size for Unicode characters.
@DSM which code?
 
DSM
The code you originally posted. As for that quote, your Python binary and your modules need to agree on the unicode width.
 
@DSM how can you achieve that?
In my case, it only happens when I build exe and it runs fine from source code.
I have never come across this issue, while installing packages previously.
 
DSM
I don't know what you mean by building an exe -- are you using pyinstaller or something to try to make a single-file executable?
 
yeah I am using pyinstaller
This my error` Undefined symbol: PyUnicodeUCS2_DecodeUTF8`
The docs here mention this line docs.python.org/2.7/faq/…
hmm..
 
DSM
4:01 AM
I don't use pyinstaller, but I also don't see how that error could happen on code which works outside of the pyinstaller context unless it's somehow picking up the wrong python and/or library, say if it's mixing system-level installations with venv-local libraries, etc. But I see you've asked on the main site, so hopefully someone will get back to you there.
 
cbg
@AbhishekBhatia there should be no case that this symbol be defined on a python on ubuntu
something is very much b0rken
you'd want to find out where the error comes from
ImportError: /home/abhigenie92/dev_work/notepad_app/dist/noteapp_linux/kivy._event.so: undefined symbol: PyUnicodeUCS2_DecodeUTF8
so your kivy._event.so is utterly incorrectly compiled
prebuilt?
kivy sucks
pythons 2.7 have always been 4-byte Unicode character builds on ubuntu
 
@AnttiHaapala I cloned it and ran python setup.py install
I added spec file and console output details in the question as well.
@AnttiHaapala Since it binary, I am unsure on how to find where the error comes from. The pyinstaller log also doesn't show anything fishy. If possible please suggest any suitable heading.
 
4:34 AM
@AbhishekBhatia Please don't answer questions with an inscrutable code dump. You should always add some explanation. However, you shouldn't answer rubbish "gimme the codez" questions like stackoverflow.com/questions/36878811/… at all
 
@PM2Ring point taken.
 
5:38 AM
cbg friends
 
 
1 hour later…
7:31 AM
Cabbage
 
8:07 AM
Hey up all.
 
8:17 AM
cbg
 
8:29 AM
Hey up
 
Anonymous
Weird question.
 
Anonymous
I have something like this:
 
Anonymous
if task == 'test':
  foo.run()
  bar.run()
  tar.run()
 
Anonymous
For some reason, script quits after running foo.run()
 
Anonymous
No errors, all is success .. but it somehow stops.
 
Anonymous
8:34 AM
Not sure if this is python thingy, or some error from my side.
 
Anonymous
I thought that was how you run thing concurrently
 
How do you know bar and tar aren't running?
foo will run, and when completed, return control back for bar to run, etc...
 
Anonymous
Because foo.bar() runs if if remove foo.run() ..
 
Anonymous
> return control back
 
Anonymous
?
 
8:37 AM
does foo.run() do a sys.exit or similar ?
 
Anonymous
Yes, but only in case of an error. I see no error, the process is running smoothly. Anyway, I will redubug it, I just doubted running process concurrently python that required something more. Like && in bash.
 
Well... if foo.run() exists, then the program stops so it never returns control back for the bar.run() to run... things run sequentially...
 
Anonymous
Yeah, but I'm not blindingly using sys.exit(). I'm passing an error message and a rollback() method both of which don't seem to suggest anything is wrong.
 
Anonymous
  try:
  db.prepare(stmt, (
    id, name..
  ))
  db.commit()
  except Exception as e:
  sys.exit("[E] :", e)
  db.rollback()
 
Anonymous
Anyway, there must be some weird thing, I must have messed up something.
 
8:50 AM
Your sys.exit will terminate your program there, no? And thus db.rollback will never run.
 
Also, passing 2 arguments to sys.exit raises an exception
 
9:07 AM
Is there any way to join two numpy arrays, x and y, to create something like z? MWE below:
import numpy as np
y = np.zeros((3, 4)); y x = np.zeros((3, 4)); x
z = np.zeros((2, 1, 3, 4)); z
 
Wouldn't the db not commit because you never ran commit?
 
9:22 AM
As for urlparse_empty_bad_arg_disallow.patch, I didn't go too deep into testing it but I found that calling urlparse with different non-str args are producing different results:

urlparse({})
TypeError: unhashable type: 'slice'

urlparse([])
AttributeError: 'list' object has no attribute 'decode'

urlparse(())
AttributeError: 'tuple' object has no attribute 'decode'

I thought they should all raise a TypeError but again, I am not sure it is working as expected by the patch's author.
 
Wow. 2 years to get round to it?
2014-08-20 12:39:51 ztane create
 
@Ffisegydd and what exceptions, like WTF?!?!?!
c.f.
>>> open(bytearray(b'adsfdsaf'))
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
TypeError: invalid file: bytearray(b'adsfdsaf')
they say "backwards compatibility is the key, we need to deprecate if many ppl are relying on it working with {}, [] or None"
 
Sounds like we need to make Python 4 for a breaking change.
 
Python 4 - Because Python used to accept urlparse({}).
 
9:30 AM
@Ffisegydd and they did change the behaviour of time(0, 0)
without any deprecation
@Ffisegydd it took 1.5 years for anyone to comment on it...
 
cabbage
 
@BhargavRao wanna go complain to bugtracker :D
 
We love you Antti, even if the Python Developers don't.
3
 
We all love Antti, Love Overflows
 
10:07 AM
Hello!
 
@user4673063 hello
 
def python(x:int)
{
print "This seems cool"
}

^ That needs more python into Python - C
LOL
 
 
2 hours later…
12:16 PM
One user posted this question and really got me very interested in solving the problem
The question is perplexing
 
DSM
Are you familiar with bipartite graphs?
 
This is something I should remember...
 
@DSM You're asking who?
 
DSM
@direprobs: that was aimed at you, regarding the question you posted.. it seems to me like you're searching for a particular kind of bipartite matching. But it doesn't matter overmuch. :-)
 
12:31 PM
I just want to solve it, I have no reasons why to solve it except curiosity
 
12:43 PM
Grrr, I hate downvotes obviously given because I couldn't help some random commenter with their tangentially related question.
 
@MartijnPieters Down-votes give you the sense of negativity
 
Is that after proprioception?
 
@DSM Yes, as you said the question is related to graph theory which I know nothing about in fact.
 
12:59 PM
Morning cabbage.
 
user559633
cbg
 
cbg
 
cbg
 
cbg all, and aye cap'n!
 
aye pup!
 
1:02 PM
cbg, all
 
afternoon cabbage
 
morning everyone
 
DSM
cbg again!
 

cbg?

Nov 17 '14 at 11:43, 52 minutes total – 12 messages, 7 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked Nov 17 '14 at 12:37 by Jon Clements

Someday we need to break that record
 
A veritable cabbage storm!
 
1:05 PM
it was even longer
Nov 17 '14 at 11:43, by Martijn Pieters
cbg
 
DSM
One day it'll happen again naturally. Until then we live in hope.
 
@direprobs Unfortunately, it also gives a future visitor the idea that there is something wrong with the answer. While there isn't.
 
@MartijnPieters is that downvote the only vote?
I always assume your answers just draw in upvotes from free space:)
 
@AndrasDeak it is.
 
Down-votes exist for a purpose, some users may abuse them
You can't ban the internet just because some bad guys use it out here, same here
 
1:08 PM
@AndrasDeak: it was an old answer, the only attention on it now was this one user asking how to adapt something to a newer, different, complimentary API. That wasn't even clear from their first comment.
You don't have to tell me that, @AndrasDeak. All I am doing is venting my frustration a little.
As a moderator I know all too well how voting works here. That doesn't mean I can't grumble when someone decides to vote on the person, not the content (which is what happened here).
 
in a metaphorical sense, aren't we all cabbage?
 
DSM
This morning a guy asked a question which was an exact duplicate of a question he asked a month before and accepted an answer to. My memory's going too, but it's not at that stage yet.
 
user559633
 
@MartijnPieters oh, you misunderstood me, keep on grumping:D I hate users like this
I was only surprised that you had a post with only this crappy false feedback:(
 
@AndrasDeak I may have misunderstood you; there are other votes on the post, just not downvotes apart from this one.
 
1:14 PM
but I see the metapy effect took care of that one;)
aaah, I see
yeah, I meant total votes
I don't think anybody who cares (and has enough rep) to look at the vote break-down would think that the answer is in any way wrong just because of a stray downvote, not without looking at the comments
commenter now has a question about max_id in tweepy:D
 
They could mislead though
 
user559633
meta.stackexchange.com/users/158781/keen every time i see this user's post, i do a doubletake
 
@tristan That reminds me of this
 
user559633
@corvid Bill Nye is the Richard Dawkins that you don't pretend to not recognize from high school when visiting your home town.
 
Hahaha
 
1:28 PM
Morning. Today I'm wondering if it would be feasible to make an encryption scheme where holders of the public key could append data to the encrypted text without being able to read what's already there.
I'm imagining a kind of "suggestion box" application where submitters anonymously add comments, which only the owner of the box (and the private key) can read
"But why not have each submitter create separate encrypted texts, which the owner stores in a database and can decrypt individually?" you ask? I don't know. Honestly I came up with the design before the use case.
 
user559633
And the idea is that they should need to be given some signing key from the owner of the box?
 
Yeah. The owner would publish it on their website or something.
 
user559633
And is there a reason why an existing pub key encryption wouldn't work? Your use case is a CRUD app over https :P
 
user559633
Your idea would be that each "suggestion" would be encrypted differently? Like a Sizzler in which you really don't want diners of the buffet to read the soda-focused feedback of their co-customers?
 
Pretty much.
Hmm, is encrypted text typically larger than its cleartext counterpart?
 
user559633
1:36 PM
Would the feedback-er be able to communicate his/her own salt out of band from the message?
 
user559633
Depends on the compression scheme (if any) used in "encryption."
 
user559633
rot13 == same size. stronger encryption that pads each payload to the same length to prevent payload-size attacks? at least the same size if not larger. hashing tokens down to a representative version (e.g. "do the needful" => msg_1) can make it smaller
 
user559633
Somewhat related, lol when was "rutabaga" added to the lexicon?
 
Bleh, I hate weird glitches that occur only in very specific sets of circumstances with no debugging information
 
I was thinking something like: Submitter N receives ciphertext from Submitter N-1, which contains all messages from Submitters 0 through N-1. Submitter N appends a cleartext message to the ciphertext, then uses the public key to encrypt the whole thing. Eventually, the Owner receives the cipher text, and runs the decryption algorithm using his private key N times, peeling off the cleartext with each iteration.
This is obviously untenable if the encryption scheme doubles the size of the text each time.
I guess the use case here is that the communication network is a one-way daisy chain of N trustworthy Submitters, with only Submitter N having direct access to the Owner.
 
1:44 PM
wow so many odd words in a sentence
like reading a book on topology or differential geometry
 
Or perhaps some of the Submitters are not necessarily trustworthy? In which case that would justify not just passing around a DB with N individual slots, because the bad guy might alter the messages of his earlier neighbors.
 
user559633
Oh, so an encrypted message chain. Can the owner of the suggestion box know the potential commenters ahead of time? If that's the case, you can pre-store what they'll use to hash and you can just entomb some flag term in the text (which would work to ensure that user 1 is who he says he is, as long as there's not some hash collision)
 
Yeah, there probably needs to be some prior communication here where each submitter gets some unique secret identifier. Otherwise, if Submitters P and Q are evil, they can communicate out-of-band to fabricate whatever messages they want for all the Submitters sitting between them in the chain.
 
2:09 PM
You need a stream cipher and the owner tells you what the current key is.
Whether that's possible, I don't know, but I believe it's the way. The writers may need to politely take turns writing as well.
 
Yes! That book is excellent.
 
best thing I like about it is it teaches theory in practical sense first before anything else - even the code is just in the last pages with the blowfish/other algos
 
There's a surprising amount of security considerations in the protocol instead of the algorithm you use. Before I read it I thought breaking encryption was all about factoring numbers.
On the theme of good books... springer.com/us/book/9780387202297 It's fundamentally a math book, but they have BASIC programs at the end of each chapter and fractals is rife with ways to make cool programs.
 
Am I missing something here? stackoverflow.com/a/36889840/4099593
The OP mentions the previous version didn't handle long separators, replace clearly does. :/
NVM, The OP replied
 
2:30 PM
Wow! I scraped 8999 results and now my db is empty.
html = str(get_data(number))
new_number = Vehicle(number=number,html = html)
session.add(new_number)
session.commit()
Do I need to do anything else to actually write to the db?
 
Like literally "learn python the hard way"? There's somewhere on this site that lists all the things wrong with those guides — cricket_007 8 hours ago
we're famous
 
in R Public, 19 hours ago, by Bhargav Rao
Buy LPTHW, It's suited for the shelf
Suited only to decorate the book shelf
cabbage @Wally, Hope ya doing well :)
 
Doing okay.
 
I still don't know why people don't like "Learn Python The Hard Way", though I've never read it
 
It's pretty tedious if you already have some programming experience
 
2:45 PM
You can learn why people don't like LPTHW by reading the document that explains why they don't like LPTHW.
 
You can learn why people don't like LPTHW by reading LPTHW
 
Oh... those actually sound pretty bad. Why wouldn't you use python 3 and get that sweet, sweet asyncio?
 
hey guys, how do i loop over a float, like from i=0 to 3 with steps of .01
 
240
Q: Python decimal range() step value

Evan FosmarkIs there a way to step between 0 and 1 by 0.1? I thought I could do it like the following, but it failed: for i in range(0, 1, 0.1): print i Instead, it says that the step argument cannot be zero, which I did not expect.

 
Why is the accepted answer in there to use an external library, when the answer below it shows a simple one-line addition to something in the stdlib? :/
 
2:53 PM
Because "use numpy" is the Python equivalent of "use jQuery".
7
 
I don't care much for the second answer because iteratively adding floats together can cause significant drift for large ranges.
I usually do something like:
def frange(start, stop, step):
    i = 0
    while True:
        value = start + i*step
        if value >= stop: break
        yield value
        i += 1

print(list(frange(0,3,0.1)))
 
The second one isn't adding though, I think it's doing what you're doing
 
r += step is the problem. It's adding step N times. I'm multiplying step by N and adding it once.
 
(i / 10.0 for i in range(0, 11, 1))
I don't think we're looking at the same second answer haha
 
Miscommunication resolved :-)
 
2:55 PM
oh yeah, that one is problematic
 
using range and then dividing/multiplying is fine. I think frange is a tad more readable but YMMV
Whoops my code doesn't account for the possibility of a negative step. Uh, I leave that as an exercise for the reader.
 
bah
Yes, it is. But answering specific questions with the name of a library is not an answer ("- How do I solve this differential equation? - Use a computer."). If you believe that the question is too broad and can't be answered, then don't answer at all. You can help OP by telling them to use pandas, but this should be done in a comment, not an answer, as this is not an answer. — Andras Deak 31 secs ago
please tell me that I'm not the dense one here
 
user559633
>but where's my internet points
 
"Use [library]" is, in fact, an unhelpful answer.
 
user559633
@Kevin "where can i borrow books to read for free?"
 
3:09 PM
thank you
 
Rather, it's not helpful enough.
 
@tristan heh:D
 
Comments have a lower requirement of usefulness so it would be fine there.
 
user559633
stop comment shaming
 
Fiction chat. Picked up The Martian Chronicles . For some reason I had the impression that Ray Bradbury was kind of bland and G-rated, but the hover for spoilers in chapter 2 dispelled that for me.
Maybe all of his stuff I read in elementary school was G-rated because that's all the librarian was willing to put on the shelves.
I look forward to reading more about gritty Mars with all of its guns and mental illness and sexual jealousy.
 
3:18 PM
So, I have a fun issue with dynamic __hash__ and __eq__ methods. This approach is super weird, I know, but unfortunately this is how I have to do it. :/ Any thoughts on why this isn't working? bpaste.net/show/d95dd0f5bc2a
 
Hi, anyone knows how to zip huge plain files (+20GB) with zipfile lib? zipfile.write() raises deprecationwarning struct integer overflow masking is deprecated when it arrives at 4GB and zipfile.writestr() rises MemoryError :(
 
I get a KeyError on the first time I try to grab an item from parent.items.
 
DSM
"This is how I have to do it" <- the cry of everyone making an XY error, ever ;-)
 
@DSM Yeah, probably. :P
 
Basically, I have a collection of items coming from two different places. There's a boolean attribute that only matters if I have items of both types. And sometimes source one says "All these items have this boolean" and source two says "None of these items have this boolean". In that case, I need to ignore the boolean.
I should only pay attention to it when source one has some items with it, and some items without.
Also, I really hate parsing data.
 
is this one of those logic puzzles
 
No. :(
 
DSM
This isn't the problem, but: self.foo == other.bar?
 
Oops. :P
It's right in my actual code, and I just fixed it in the MCVE and I get the same error.
 
DSM
3:26 PM
As I said, "This isn't the problem"..
 
Yeah, I was just confirming.
 
DSM
@MorganThrapp: ah, I see, I didn't make it that far down in the code yet. :-)
 
Also, if you have a saner solution, I'm very not opposed to refactoring those methods. This week is me getting a proper test suite and refactoring this application.
@DSM No, that's intentional.
 
@Morgan is the self.foo == other.bar and ... in Item.__eq__() a thinko? Shouldn't you be comparing foos?
 
@holdenweb Yeah, that's a typo.
 
DSM
3:30 PM
Wait, what's going on with the weird flip of force_use_bar during add_item? You use self.parent.use_bar in the hash!
 
@DSM that's a property of Parent
 
@DSM Because otherwise it would overwrite Item('a', 'b', parent) with Item('a', 'c', parent), because there's only 1 item, so it ignores bar.
 
bugrit @holdenweb :)
 
I want it to look at bar either when I'm adding a new Item or when looking up an item if I have more than 1 item.
 
DSM
My point is that when we add the item, we hash a different tuple than we do when we try to retrieve it. That's not going to work.
 
3:33 PM
@JonClements millennium hand and shrimp
 
@DSM Ohhhh, yeah. I see what you mean.
 
@holdenweb fish fingers and custard?
 
> fish fingers and custard?
Yes please
 
Is there a way to force the recalculation of hashes in a dictionary?
 
@JonClements that's surprisingly nice, as a combo.
 
3:35 PM
If I just do my_dict = {k:v for k,v in my_dict} will that recalc them?
 
DSM
I don't care for fish much and I don't care for custard. It's got its work cut out for it.
 
@Martijn, I deleted my answer after seeing this dupe, stackoverflow.com/q/6522446/4099593. But your answer is better than the ones on the target. So I did not hammer it. Is it worth a reverse hammer?
 
I don't know; your call. I can easily be seen as extremely biased now..
 
Oh, Cmon. You aint biased. We all know that. ;)
 
Ergh. Deployment is the worst part of web dev :\
 
4:25 PM
This book takes place in the near future but gas is $1.50 a gallon. Immersion ruined.
Or possibly $1.50 a tank, it's hard to tell. Now that is science fiction.
 
when was the book written
 
Let's see... 1946.
 
that would be $13.58 in today's money
low for a tank, but high for a gallon
 
The movie Her has the best representation of the future. All the entertainment is really advanced but everything else is basically the same
 
DSM
Escape from New York was set in '97, if I remember correctly. I don't remember NY being a giant prison at the time.
 
4:36 PM
The story takes place during the early colonization of Mars, so I'll assume it's 13.58 a gallon since they had to import it a zillion miles from Earth.
 
yeah and in the 40s i dont think inflation was really a household term/concept, i dont think that became a thing until the 70s. i was alive for none of these times though so am not a reliable source on that :D
literally like, source: MAD magazine archives lol
 
Reminds me of a funny image macro I saw. It was a screenshot of an SNES-era Robocop game. The intro screen reads "It is the year 2010 and Detroit is in ruins". How surprisingly accurate.
 
@corvid I was very impressed with Her.
 
@MorganThrapp yeah I was surprised by it, one of my favorite movies released in the past ten years
 
4:48 PM
Hello, I am currently using python and sqlite to learn more about db and making applications. However, I am out of ideas on how to better use and practice sql to get started on a data science career. I have already created a python db manager but am out of ideas. Thanks for any help!
 
@Dominico909 Try making "fuzzy" queries, such as finding an equally matched opponent in a game via a Match-Making Rating (MMR)
Where you have to prioritize things like how long it will take to find an opponent, geographical location of opponents, and MMR of opponents. An example is like Overwatch
 
@corvid Could you lead me to some sites or places I could find those databases or ways to practice?
I am going to college where I will be studying C++ and SQL but am very interested in data
 
@Dominico909 kaggle.com
 
OOhhh looks interesting Ill check it out right now!
Also I was wondering... Should I use sqlite to practice or start doing something a bit more complex like mysql?
 
I don't know sqlite, but it looks like mysql might require more effort to get running. If you're going to school for this anyway, you'll get db admin stuff at some point, so you should just stick with what you're enjoying and whatever keeps you in the mood to learn
 
5:04 PM
Could also just make a clone of an existing site at a small scale. Like a simple forum, simple social network, or simple interest image board site (like reddit)
 
sqlite.org/whentouse.html Here's what SQLite has to say about when to use them, and when to go for more robust DBs
 
@Will I am not starting these studies until I'm in college. Currently I am finishing my senior year in high school at a charter school for computer science. The courses are all web programming but I don't do follow that curriculum and am writing in python and sqlite. So don't know much about mysql but I do have a server running with it on my home pc
The main thing is not knowing how to practice since my teachers don't study sql and can't help me learn
 
running your own private reddit, using the open source reddit version, is a great way to go eff everything super fast. and i actually managed to get mine working! most are not so lucky
 
Oh I don't want to eff myself just yet ^.^
 
yeah like id seriously reccomend writing your own for-funsies-not-for-production reddit clone if that's your thing before trying to get the open source one running
though i also recommend something else entirely as the last thing the world needs is more reddit, though as someone w/ an avatar pickaxing the reddit logo, I MAY BE BIASED haha
 
5:14 PM
What do I write it in? Python? I would have no clue how to start haha
 
also, no dudes logo:P
 
The thing about SQL is that it seems very simple, but once the data set starts to increase in complexity, the skill level required quickly increases. It's a good instinct to want to practice, but it is hard to do so without "real" data. @Anna's suggestions are great places to start in terms on hands-on experience, but you'll also want to look up normalization and architecture patterns, just so you have some familiarity with the jargon.
 
@AndrasDeak ive wanted to change it for stack overflow, its my gravatar and i'd like it keep it that way elsewhere but stack overflow is full of nice people and pretty good about not being sexist jerks for as demographically skewed as it is
but the instructions said to click my avatar on my profile, tried that, didn't work, had to do other things lol
 
@Anna meh, it's not hard to have this stance after reddit, I know
 
I guess this Kaggle site is a good place to find and download databases to test with
 
5:21 PM
Although the image does come across as misandric without context. Not that I care much, I'm mostly worried about misogyny in these woods.
 
at one job i had i had to test batch processing a ton of emails and i used the enron email database to do it that was fun
 
Also, there was some discussion that gravatar hashes might be reverse engineered with a bit of extra info
 
kaggle is really cool though, this is the first i've heard of it, thanks for the tip
 
so having specific, non-gravatar avatars can be a good idea anyway:)
 
i just tried again and i can't figure out how im supposed to change it. if i hover my avatar on my profile which is what it says i should be able to do, nothing happens
er wait there it is
now to find an avatar...
(gotta go to edit profile lol)
 
5:25 PM
as I said, I don't really mind, just a heads up from an independent outsider:)
also, the buttload of responses here suggest that even here you can often run into problems even without agitating the assholes:D
 
yeah in general places like especially stack overflow mean well and do good by discouraging to outright countering actively hostile behavior; a lot of places won't even do that, as seen by reactionaries who get really mad about anti-harassment policies and things like that
 
yup, it's a dismal thing
both discrimination and the excessive response of some people, discriminating themselves
 
one of the things i wish i had the time and resources to work on is using a model similar to stack overflow to make a social network that encourages community trust and building positive reputation
the way you earn privileges by doing positive contributions here is interesting, and a good way to counter like, troll socks and things like that
 
nope...
there are rep whores in return
 
But how do you get it running online without paying for a domain?
 
5:34 PM
not perfect or complete of course but also stack overflow's model is tailored toward having good answers to tech questions
 
as long as your community consists of humans, you're gonna have a bad time:)
especially with a social network...
 
for just like, a casual, social community i'd make a lot of very fundamental changes
 
one of the reasons why SO can be handled, in my opinion, is that professionalism is the lead concept
you can stifle anti-social behaviour on the basis of it not being professional
but you can't really do that if the point of the site is to be social
 
right, you'd have to do things differently i think
there'd be problems with like, people getting a lot of points and privilege and using it to bully others if this model was copied 1:1
 
probably, yes
and trolls can go very much out of their way to be able to troll effectively
 
5:38 PM
though how points here differ depending on the community and require you to build reputation on a by-community basis i think also has a little bit of an answer; sure a bunch of trolls could buoy each other in one community but another community might not be so receptive
 
yup
 
Anyone here use calculus functions in day-to-day programming
?
 
user559633
Yes. People do.
 
Define "calculus function"
 
def calculus():
    pass
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5:47 PM
[very pedants voice] you see all math is calculus and,
 
@Kevin you asked for it
 
I don't get calculus because I use my toothbrush every day.
 
Why do I get the feeling that @Dominico is about to ask "Why do I even need to learn maths if I want to be a programmer?" from someone? :P
 
What about Lambda Calculus? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambda_calculus
 
@Kevin it's a common misconception, but Buffon's needle problem is stochastics
 
5:49 PM
calculus = lambda: None
 
Came for the python, stayed for the math jokes
 
i wish that the year i was in college i had like a good calculus class and not one where i couldnt understand the teacher or the textbook at all and it was 2004 and the best resource i could find online was "bikini calculus" on the nacent youtube that was two years away from being bought by google
 
@Kevin but do you FLOSS?
 
it didnt seem that hard just unnecessarily steeped in nomenclature, the textbook i had was written by a professor there and it explained things like i already had a math degree
 
No I need to do it in college im just curious as to how commonly used it is
 
5:52 PM
then i failed because "bikini calculus" didnt tell me how to handle pi in integrals
 
@Anna rhetorical question: did you consider reading other books?:)
 
Right now I'm into math optimization, and oh boy I wish I had paid attention in the uni.
 
I'm still not sure what the question means because I don't remember getting taught any functions in calculus. Not like in trigonometry where I learned sin, cos, tan...
 
i think i did actually look for another texbook or something but there wasnt anything i could afford or access :(
 
with calculus being 300 years old and everything
 
5:54 PM
I remember learning integration, but that's more of a process than a function?
 
Im not too excited for it as math isn't my strong point, which makes it seem like I'll fail ehee
 
@Kevin the Riemann zeta usually comes up in calculus...;)
 
@Dominico909 depends on what programming you're going to do.
 
@Anna the dark days before the ubiquity of bittorrent
 
Serious reply: I don't use calculus often, but 90% of the source files on my github use trigonometry out the wazoo.
 
5:55 PM
12 years later the irony of "bikini calculus" not using pi in integrals is dawning on me, e.g. "i'd like to find the area under that curve"
 
*googles out the wazoo*
 
If you want to turn an angle and magnitude into a coordinate, you better know what tan() does
 
what a missed opportunity
now i can probably learn calculus but using memes instead or something as youtube is much better now maybe i should look into that
 
Whoops, you use sin() and cos() for that. But hell, you should know what tan() does anyway.
 
heh:D
 
user559633
5:58 PM
we were never taught about tan() in the northern schools. i think it's so people don't leave
 
in order to get more sun?
 
getting sun is a sin()
but that's tangental
<someone not me> ^ cosigned
 
cos thats a sin
 
I forgot I have to do the something with the something.
 

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