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9:46 AM
hehe, the banner is back, let's see how things go this time :)
 
well: we've removed the auto-join, since that pushed a ridiculous amount of people into the tavern
and we've fixed the bug that caused #fail on Friday
plus, we have kicked our colleagues to New York, so we could hog these servers all too ourselves mwahahahahahah
@adopilot that is an interesting question, but I think it is best if we use the same policy as SO itself. As soon as that becomes common-place, it becomes impossible for the community to self-moderate. I'll flag it for Jeff, though.
 
10:04 AM
@MarcGravell Yeah, they're spreading out nicely right now.
 
106 users active in 41 rooms; that'll do nicely ;p
 
10:27 AM
@MarcGravell, should I be able to onebox chats from other sites? this one didn't come out (maybe latency on my end?)
in The SO Tavern (General), 2 mins ago, by Benjol
http://chat.serverfault.com/rooms/6/general-chat
 
The syntax here is different from that of normal SO comments - that's unfortunate. Ideally, the syntax here would be identical to SO, and if differences are necessary, then the fewer, the better.
In particular <a href="http://stackoverflow.com">This doesn't work</a>
<b>nor does this work</b>
 
@EamonNerbonne, have you read the FAQ?
 
where's the FAQ? :)
 
link on bottom right (under StackOveflow logo)
 
oh, thought that was stack overflow faq, not chat faq, thanks.
 
10:31 AM
@Benjol: any particular part you're refering to?
 
would be great if you had irc.stackoverflow.com as well. With soirc you seem to have to run your own server to proxy the web interface.
 
@EamonNerbonne <a href="http://stackoverflow.com">This doesn't work</a> in SO comments either
<b>nor does this</b>
 
@Eamon. The markdown is shown in the FAQ, and is the same as in SO.
 
Indeed it doesn't - Q&A's, then :-)
I mean; it does work in questions and answers, and this inconsistency has tripped me up before.
 
@EamonNerbonne, good reason to always use the markdown in my book - that's consistent everywhere, and avoids precious keypresses :)
 
10:41 AM
Not arguing with that - but it's inconsistent, and it has tripped me up - hence the feedback :-).
 
@EamonNerbonne should be [This doesn't work](http://stackoverflow.com) and **nor does this work**
 
 
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12:03 PM
Shouldn't there be an option to view all chat-rooms marked as your favs? I don't see any such thing on the profile, just an option to view current and frequently used
 
@balpha Thanks. Strange this doesn't show up on your profile page, though now when I go to chat.stackoveflow.com I see it as the home page..
 
12:37 PM
Non-c# question... RE SO replies, when a username contains a space such as "Marc Gravell", how do you reply with the "@" notation? Do you do so with the space, is there a special delimiter to use around the name, os how does it work?
 
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@gmagana - there are two different concepts there:
1: at the simplest, just type @blah where blah is (at minimum) the first 3 characters of the user's name; note that there is auto-complete with [tab] etc
note that the same rules apply as to SO comments, so remove spaces etc, but @Marc and @MarcGravell (and indeed @marcg) all go to me
alternatively: 2: click the reply arrow; this gives a more targetted reply, and includes the user's name automatically/
 
ah, great to finally get an answer to that, thanks...
 
the second approach is preferred when the thing you are replying to was a while ago
 
ok
that should be a sticky somewhere, thanks
 
it is probably in the faq
 
1:01 PM
I'm completely retarded... I just realized there was already a WPF room and I created another
is there a way to delete a room?
In my defense, I assumed the big search at the top would return the names of rooms
 
Hi, I think it will be good to integrate this with some tool text2speech, like ivona
 
 
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2:28 PM
:27253: Why doesn't this work
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@MarcGravell : This does, but is uglier
 
@Joren, no : after the id
must be followed by a space ):
 
@rchern: That's so obvious, that's of course not what I meant :)
 
@AndersonImes, just put a link to the proper room and leave it. After a certain period of lack of activity it'll get frozen. You can read the faq (link in the lower right) for more details
 
I see the cause, but what I meant was, I'd want it to behave differently
 
@Joren, well you asked why it doesn't work, not a feature-request for it to be changed (;
 
2:31 PM
But if you interpret 'why' not as asking for the immediate cause, but for the reason why this is so ... :)
 
@Joren, I've been bugging @Marc on and off for weeks about that one (except I want a comma), so you can add your weight in too :)
 
I suspect the reason is 'because we didn't bother to do anything more complicated than parse the text between a colon at the start and the first whitespace as a number and go from there', but I don't think that's a very good one :P
 
@Joren That's about it...
 
@Benjol: Just changing it to 'anything between the starting colon and the next punctuation-or-whitespace character' would make me happy
And :27253: has a certain balance to it
 
Oct 18 at 12:27, by Marc Gravell
@Benjol @Benjol - looking at the code as it stands that would be a bit more painful to implement that I'd like, since much of that data is ripped out very early. It might be possible later, but I'm not making that change "now" so to speak.
 
2:35 PM
But mostly I just want things to appear as if I had just typed @Whatever manually, so it should have as much of the same behaviour as possible
 
@Benjol, have you posted on meta?
 
@Benjol: I haven't seen the code obviously, but that doesn't really make sense to me. Somehow the code knows they have to stop at the first whitespace, how could it not be easy to change that to the first whatever?
 
@AndersonImes, if you look a bit lower on the page, just above the rooms listing, you'll see an input that filters the rooms. do your search there.
 
@rchern Nope, I'll vote it up if you do :)
gotta go now. see yall
 
Bye
 
2:40 PM
Hi guys, any one know what technology is used to build this chatting system?
 
@Yousui, same as the sites
 
I guess javascript :P
Bit of flash
 
@rc
 
bit of flash?
 
@rchern
 
2:41 PM
There is a .swf file loaded
 
so it's .net?
 
the only flash used is for the sound notifications.
@Yousui, yes, .net with jQuery front end and polling
 
Well, that would be a bit of flash then, wouldn't it? :P
 
wow, it has sound, i haven't noticed it
Does all the chatting messages are persisted into database?
 
yes
 
3:07 PM
I'm seeing a bunch of 409 and 503 errors ):
(not just on chat.SO, the others also)
some 408s also
 
I just flagged something as spam when I should've flagged it for moderator attention, because I didn't notice that there were more than two options.
The third being further below, after a blank line
Of course that's my fault, but there is this general trend that users do not tend to read anything more than they think is necessary :)
 
rchern: more effective than wireshark
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Two options, that is to say, you have 'star' and 'flag', one having a star icon, the other having a flag icon. And then there is the 'flag for moderator', which is further down, with no icon.
I think it's nonobvious, while reading the first two options, that there might be a third
 
one to ponder
 
Sorry for increasing your mental workload so often ;)
 
3:17 PM
@rchern - I just got back from walking the dog; all looks 200 from here
There was a DB timeout, but only the one, about 20 minutes ago
 
@MarcGravell LOL
 
well, I'm seeing some 304 too, but I can live with 304 ;p
 
i just commonly have the console open (;
 
maybe @balpha did a deploy... there was a commit about 30 mins ago, so that seems likely
 
nope
 
3:20 PM
too late
 
worth a shot ;p
 
/blame @balpha
 
my /blame @balpha failed
hmm... 409 is conflict; IIRC we issue that when your xsrf key is invalid; maybe your cookie got refreshed or something simlar?
 
consoles cleared, i guess i'll see when i notice/get the next error
 
shouldn't be much 408 - the servers are almost idling
(now that the CPU-hogs have eloped to New York)
 
3:22 PM
408?
 
maybe backend... but I'm not overly concerned as an isolated event
 
408 is user's fault
 
o:
 
request timeout, no?
 
yeah
also, we need to find some place where we can issue a 418 :)
 
3:23 PM
nice ;p
Maybe date-based...
or user-based; if you are gagged or suspended, you get 418s
 
lol
 
you're right; 408 is client's fault. We take no blame for that
/blame @rchern
 
did you resend anything?
maybe network #fail caused some doubling
/blame teh-tubez
 
@rchern I repeat! rchernBot is malfunctioning! rchernBot is malfunctioning!
 
3:27 PM
Cool!!! Ever since I was wrongly banned from meta.stackoverflow, I've been unable to play with the chat functionality
Glad to see it made its way to chat.stackoverflow.com
 
@MarcGravell neg.
 
welcome, then, to our play-pen; note the FAQ etc
 
Does the @Name send to all matches? e.g. @Tim sends to me all the time
 
if you've been in the room in the last 2 days you'll get partial matches
and 7 days for exact matches?
balpharc can correct me (;
 
ahh, thought so. cheers :)
I expect to get many @Tim 's then since 'Tim' is the example in the FAQ :P
 
3:37 PM
@TimBJames Yeah, I didn't change my name until after that screenshot was taken, heh :P
 
@TimStone no worries. Good to see more Tim 's around!
 
Indeed!
 
4:01 PM
do only admins see flagged messages?
I keep seeing the blue (1) when somebody flags something
 
10k rep, like on the site
 
I can't do anything about them, since I can't delete peoples messages
it would be good to either: see flagged messages, and be able to delete them
or: not see flags where I can't do anything about them
 
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Q: Chat flag notification

SilentGhost10k users can see flags in chat. What are we suppose to do with it, and why these notifications don't go away after "reading" them?

 
sure
 
4:28 PM
This is now officially the nicest webchat I've seen. I still prefer IRC, but I hope this replaces everything else. :)
 
if you like the /command-style rather than using the mouse for everything, check out github.com/rchern/StackExchangeScripts </shameless plug>
 
oooh, I like very much. Thanks.
 
 
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5:47 PM
@Ry4an I agree, except the part about IRC
 
6:26 PM
again SO beat everything i saw anytime before, this chat is incredible!
 
chat.stackoverflow.com takes too long to load all of the user avatar images (on Firefox 3.6.6 anyway).
 
@Joren heh.
 
7:04 PM
@balpha - any thoughts on how to improve autocomplete for users? I mean uer123456 users
 
good question -- maybe highlight the user you've currently tabbed to in some way?
 
hmm maybe, the issue is that is takes 5 characters to start differentiating them, even a @u shortcut would do as well
or, move the person you last autocompleted to the front of the list?
 
7:27 PM
I'll think about it. Although, if people would just set their user names, it would make things quite a bit easier :)
 
even still, it only works if theres < 5 matches right? ):
 
being pragmatic, you could just use the explicit reply - I can't think of many good ways of making @user.... easier. Now... a keyboard mechanism to tab back and explicit reply would be nice, but complicated (remember, not all of our audience is used to dev-style 14-key chords)
 
7:57 PM
There's always our userscript keyboard navigation as a partial workaround ;) </plug>
 
oooh that sounds like a cool script, where can i get it?!
 
It's conveniently available on Github!
Heh ;)
 
heheheh
hides
though i still find doing nick completion irc style better than an explicit reply in most cases
 
@rchern How do you mean?
 
i'd rather do @T[tab]+ than :33857
 
8:08 PM
@rchern Right, I guess I was mostly thinking about in the context of the situation Nick described.
 
mm
 

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