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5:02 PM
Frydai frydai!!!!
 
mrnin
 
mornin
 
_o/ such a lazy start of a freeday
 
So, there's this thing where it's my birthday today.
 
5:15 PM
may the fun and joy be with you then!
 
$dan->birthDate = new DateTime('1985-02-19'); // Exception: DateTime::__construct(): It is not safe to rely on the system's timezone settings.
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@DaveRandom It's when you exhaust yourself during intercourse and pass out as dead weight crushing your partner.
 
@NorthbornDesign happy birthday :)
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^ hurrah
 
@NorthbornDesign congrats on 2**5 - 1
 
5:35 PM
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No migration could be found with the version number: 129. CodeIgniter what is the problem
 
5:54 PM
Bleh, this is one reason why developing on GitHub can suck: github.com/php/php-src/commit/…
 
@LeviMorrison why suck? … not sure about the point you're trying to make?
 
@LeviMorrison I'm beginning to hate the internet in general.
@bwoebi people are just commenting to look clever, and not actually helping. Even just reading all the comments has a cost of stopping other people from actually doing useful stuff.
 
oh, I totally hadn't scrolled down ^^
 
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No migration could be found with the version number codeigniter
help
 
6:11 PM
Why sometimes favorite-star is full-color? ^
 
@Shafizadeh pinned vs not-pinned
 
What's difference between them? Pinned comments will be stay there for a long time?
And who pins them ?
 
Pinned stars stay until unpinned. Room owners can pin/unpin
 
Ah .. I see
 
@Wes @bwoebi The mouth is really hard, some suggestions?
 
6:21 PM
what is that?! Lol
 
Wes
rofl
@kelunik not very good with this sort of things sketchtoy.com/66631284
but a low trunk helps identifying the animal
(mine is probably not long enough though)
 
@Wes Way better than my attempt. :P
 
Wes
@Wes that's what I said
 
@kelunik after googling for actual 'elephant mouths', I recommend not having the mouth visible, unless you want it to look scary.
 
what's wrong with the speaker you made? That was good enough IMO
 
6:30 PM
@kelunik Is that the UTF-8 Demon Elephphant of PHP6?
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@NikiC looks good :)
 
@kelunik nice, but the trunk should be really towards the bottom I guess.
 
I should start with the head instead of the ears + head as one thing.
 
7:13 PM
If I remove @param within a comments block will it break anything?
I assume it won't since it's inside the comments, but my text editor is highlighting the @param which is throwing me off.
 
7:28 PM
You assume correct
You do break code hiting in most IDE's though (development environments like netbeans,phpstormetc)
Check out phpdoc to see what @param and the likes are actually for.
 
Good suggestion, thank you.
 
i meant code hinting btw..laying in a bed with a laptop does not make for excellent typing..
 
Wes
@kelunik any progresses?
 
@Wes Nope, currently reading the last 120 slides for the first part of the exam next week.
 
Wes
ok maybe later i'll try something. u sure you like the elephant? :P i actually liked the amplifier idea though - and not because i made the logo
oh sorry i didn't notice you had a repo for the logo
 
7:47 PM
I think I'd like the amp more if it's frontal, don't know.
 
Wes
also, what does @rdlowrey think? been ages since he last joined room 11 though
 
That's @ircmaxell's fault. He should have never accepted that job.
de.slideshare.net/AmyHua/intro-to-node-and-non-blocking-io < I think that's a good start to explain non-blocking I/O, does anybody have a good presentation about it?
 
Wes
8:13 PM
the hard thing about the elephant is that it has to have too many details to be a good logo. maybe a cartoonish elephant?
 
8:44 PM
parsing a ~185MB json file with json_decode: total memory used ~2G; with streaming pull parser: less than a megabyte... pull parser is way slower, but holy crap it feels good to have this thing mostly working
 
@Wes maybe he's having another mid-life crisis
 
"another"? Is he not too cute for that?
 
there was the parachuting incident
ok, this is a bit chauvinistic, but I found this to be really funny:
 
8:59 PM
Hey guys
 
Wes
i wish i lived in usa. i'd have a gun to shoot at a drone that i noticed flying in my neighborhood. bye bye privacy. forced to wear pants now
 
@Wes check the local laws - maybe you can target drones
 
Wes
they are silent these things. in the dark you can barely notice them
 
lol
 
@Wes sorry, drones are not silent
 
Wes
9:04 PM
this is. but actually noise is covered by other noises. cars etc
 
@Wes pants... or sexy sexy undies
 
Wes
will buy a sling tomorrow
 
my landlord has one and it's indeed annoying
 
with the right thong you might either gain a new friend, or convince the thing to go away
win/win
 
hey, why would I get -1 when I downvote an answer where the user had 12rep?
 
9:07 PM
the user's rep is irrelevant
 
okay, so if you downvote an answer then it's -1? I just don't understand
 
yes
-1 to you (but only for answers) and -2 to your target
 
it was a one sentence answer which seemed it should've been a comment
and I first wrote a comment on his answer
oh okay I see
 
those should be flagged instead
 
computers don't do telepathy yet
 
Wes
9:09 PM
here it is again i can hear it. how much range do these things have?
 
@tereško s/instead/as well/
 
okay, next time then
 
a wild krakjoe appears
Productive discussion on event loops @ async-interop. Very soon we will have a very important standard for #php - https://github.com/async-interop/event-loop/issues?q=is%3Aissue
well ... this sounds too good to be true, I thought ... so I went looking I did ...
<?php
namespace Interop\Async\EventLoop;
interface EventLoopInterface
{
}
best. use. of. interfaces. ever.
 
9:25 PM
@Trowski I am too tired to be cynical, could you oblige ? ^^
@JoeWatkins oh wait. Even I can mock that...
 
yeah ... hehe ... there is a PR in progress to define the interface ... which I found after ...
 
Even once that is written.....writing service/domain level code to be bound to the exact code that calls it.....is not a good plan.
 
aaron seems to be interested ... so I'm probably wrong ... but question whether this is really needed, and cringe at the thought of it evolving into yet another PSR ...
interop isn't always a net gain, it stifles creativity and binds everyone to the same interfaces, while you can provide others, nobody is going to use them ... if there is going to be 5 reactors, fine, let each of them grow organically with their own features and let people choose ... it's not like you're going to switch, I mean not in the real world ...
none of them can take a leap and try anything really new, is what I'm saying ... and then what's the point in there being 5 options ...
 
> let each of them grow organically with their own features and let people choose
Or even better, grow them organically, and once you've got something usable that people want to re-use across projects, at that point figure out what should be the standard.
 
yeah maybe, but we're not there yet
 
9:35 PM
I'm not sure how I feel about it to be honest.
I got involved because some decided to move forward with a proposal and I wanted to be sure we didn't get stuck with something unusable.
 
> We offer ethically sourced, certified organic event loops.
 
yeah damage control is a good call ...
 
@Trowski Don't the technical details of the implementation (beyond what an 'interface') defines mean that really a standard implementation would be the way of achieving holy interoperopabilty ?
aka see PSR 7
 
@JoeWatkins I just roll my eyes at this... settle down, lets discuss it before pushing a bunch of code that you'll change a hundred times.
 
Or 6
 
9:42 PM
you can see why the user might think it's useful to have interop ... because they've been told it is for everything else ... but I can't see any benefit for any individual project, or in the long term for the user ...
 
@Danack That would make a lot more sense. Of course there would be different implementations of the loop depending on available extensions, but there's no reason to have several implementations of event loops around that do the same things.
 
what if you want to introduce some feature that doesn't fit in the interface ?
or someone else does ?
or that relies on a different kind of interface ...
 
I suppose I can blame myself in some ways for refusing to use React's event loop... but I really don't like the way React modeled other async components.
@JoeWatkins You could have your own event loop that does what you need, but then have a bridge that allows the same loop to act as the standard event loop as well.
 
@Trowski why make your life difficult, what is there to actually gain ?
 
What's there to gain from implementing the standard loop?
 
9:47 PM
no, I see the aim there ... so that if I, as a consumer of icicle and react, can swap one for the other ... I'm not sure that's really doable, before you can have interoperability you need to have interchangeability, before you can have that, you need to have comparable levels of stability ... we don't have that ... they are all in various states ...
I'm saying what is there to gain for you, or for amp, or react ?
putting yourself in a position where this
3 mins ago, by Trowski
@JoeWatkins You could have your own event loop that does what you need, but then have a bridge that allows the same loop to act as the standard event loop as well.
is a thing you might have to do, doesn't seem very smart ... long term ...
 
I wonder about these things myself, having the same concerns you've raised. The types of packages you'd write for Icicle are not going to work well with React, so where's the value in having a standard loop interface.
 
totally valid concern, that's what I mean by interchangeability as distinct from interoperability ... if I actually manually remove icicle stuff and put in react stuff, it's not going to work most likely, they're not interchangeable in that sense, and nor will an interface force them to be ...
 
If you had an event loop (and perhaps promise implementation as well) that was interchangeable, you could write a package and not care what framework it was run on, Icicle, Amp, or React.
For example, this little package makes it so any React package works with Icicle: github.com/icicleio/react-adapter
You might have to write a little bridge code between packages (especially if integrating React callbacks or promises into a coroutine), but it's doable.
That being said, I totally agree that we need more stability in these projects before we try forcing some standard interfaces and implementations.
 
but you can't easily go the other way around, and what about amp ...
they all need to be interchangeable for an interface for interop to even make sense ...
 
You're right, you can't go the other way because Icicle has features React really can't do.
 
10:00 PM
and you don't want to be in a position where you can't add features because X Y or Z can't support them ...
 
Right, you'd be back to writing packages that were only for one framework, defeating the purpose of interoperability.
 
But with all the overhead of a bad abstraction.
 
^^ Why I didn't use React's packages
Again I'm torn. I don't really feel it's necessary, but if it's going to happen I want to have input on it.
 
A PSR doesn't really make sense. It's more a standard implementation that's needed.
 
@kelunik after PSR-2 was published, they kinda run out of ideas
 
10:05 PM
@Trowski it can happen without your support, but it's not really going to make sense if not everybody is on board ...
 
I'd rather put time and energy into building async/await into PHP. @JoeWatkins interested in looking into that?
 
and PSR-4 doesn't really count, since it was more of a minor bugfix for PSR-0
 
But to have a common implementation, at least 2 projects have to give up. And that's the real problem.
 
I remember when they wanted PSR-7 to become the "DIC standard" .. if all fell apart, since they couldn't even stop people with service locators from pushing it as DIC standard
 
is that how we end up with monstrous standards ... just because everyone is trying to do damage control ... it's okay to be selfish and put your project (or it's users) first ... competition is fine ...
 
10:07 PM
I feel like one standard is how things end up stagnating... React was the async standard for PHP for about 3 years... and nothing happened.
 
competition is a better driver for innovation than interoperability ... for damn sure :D
 
@Trowski Stagnating is a good thing for a library being really the core.
 
what PHP developers need are not more shitty framework interfaces, but a well thought out development pipeline
deployment tools. CI tools, plugins for various editors
 
@kelunik really ??
so it would be a good thing if everyone working on JS (or PHP, or whatever) just stopped ?
stagnant != stable
 
@JoeWatkins In a perfect world, yes. :P
 
10:10 PM
basically, what we need is: "pick your favourite editor, your PHP version and we tell you how to set up code-to-production pipeline"
... then again, maybe its the wine talking
 
nah you don't really want that ... you want stability ... but you want everyone to keep innovating, and you want to be able to keep innovating ... we wouldn't be having this conversation if a few of you hadn't taken a leap and written this kind of software, I'd rather have more of that than you all just sit back in your chair ...
 
first few minutes seem good: youtube.com/…
 
@Trowski I'm rather over committed right now ... if by the time my workload thins out, nobody has started on it, we can bunch a few people together and get started at that point ...
 
hey sorry to bother, but would you flag this? stackoverflow.com/questions/35515962/… - should I answer this now she's asking me?
 
@JoeWatkins Sure, innovation is a good thing. But too often it's breaking BC. We had innovations multiple times in Amp's development, also for Aerys. Big innovations. Too often they were breaking small things making it hard maintaining all our own packages.
 
10:16 PM
@Ekin too broad
 
@kelunik So, I'm gonna give you my opinion ... you're going to hate it ...
 
also, the poster of that topic automatic -1, because I am fairly sure it's not Emma Thompson (accoring to google image search)
 
heh
 
trying to provide BC guarantees too early doesn't work ... I don't think any of this stuff is mature enough for that to be a concern, beyond reasonably versioning stuff, everybody watching would rather see you pushing on and adding the next thing, or fixing the last, than worrying about BC and making compromises you will still be paying for in 2025 ... break stuff all the time if it makes great software ...
the time will come to change your attitude, it's not now ...
I'm always wrong ... never act on anything I've said ...
 
Wes
did the java updater ever worked for someone
 
10:21 PM
@Wes you deserve everything you get for using windows ... no sympathy ...
 
Wes
i knew that was coming
 
I've heard it gives you cooties ...
serious ...
 
free cooties? I'm sold
 
Wes
lol
 
@Wes why do you have JRE installed at all?!
@JoeWatkins Microsoft are fucking angels compared to Oracle
 
Wes
10:25 PM
phpstorm installed it
 
oh, nice, I will add that to my "why I dont use phpstorm" list, tnx
 
Wes
every time i have to update it manually gawd
lol yw
 
I've always got a jre installed ... it's not cool to talk about it, but I sometimes do write in java ...
 
Wes
i agree though, java is a damn plague
 
@JoeWatkins Sure, we did that. We even retagged Amp v1.0.0 for such a change. The thing is … nobody will use unstable software without any promises. Either because all the required libraries require different versions of Amp and aren't compatible in any way and so you can't actually use it or because it's unstable and users wait for it to become more stable.
 
10:26 PM
openjdk though, can't you use that?
 
@Wes everything Oracle touches becomes plague
 
Wes
isn't java open already? [insert laughter]
 
even mysql is more "open" than java
 
they let you download a version of it, if you sign a document that says they are the best and you are the worst (probably, never looked) ...
@kelunik when I said version reasonably ...
 
There's some time where you think it's stable enough. Amp did not receive any new features for more than half a year now, just a few bug fixes. I think it's time to stagnate a bit, build and extend the docs. That way we ensure other's can use the library and build great software with it. Then when we have feedback from a broader community, it's time to break stuff again. :)
 
10:31 PM
@kelunik not sure if we'll have to break it at all …
But well, we'll see what other users will say on it :-)
 
And I don't have any wishes currently. :)
 
me neither :-)
 
Oh, except for a better logo. /cc @Wes :P
 
hehe
 
@kelunik please not the @
 
10:33 PM
Though, I like the @
 
I thought the star was cleverer ...
 
Wes
i tried both the star and the @. they are worn-out. it's impossible to make something decent
@JoeWatkins have you seen the amp ones?
 
isn't that what we are talking about ?
 
did .. did I design those colours ?
 
10:37 PM
There's one thing I really like about the @: its simplicity.
 
Wes
@JoeWatkins ?
 
is one of them brown ?
 
s archive.is down just for me? yeah , it's dead
 
it really looks brown
 
Wes
which one? :P
 
10:39 PM
bottom one in big set
 
Wes
there's one orange/orangered, one yellowish
~canary yellow
suddenly joe found out he was daltonic
:P
 
I dunno what that means, so I'm gonna assume it means "beautiful" and carry on with my life ...
I think I like the black and purple one best, the others are a little busy ...
 
@tereško up here
 
up here too
 
hmm
 
Wes
i don't even know what we are talking about? though it wasn't about colors really. more about the amp idea @JoeWatkins
this is the latest version, with 3 speakers
regardless of colors used... that's up to you
 
lol, didn't even notice there was a difference
 
@FlorianMargaine that's different site
 
@Wes it still is a washing machine =D
 
@tereško then you know how to change the url
 
10:43 PM
yeah that's cool
 
Wes
@bwoebi i enjoy simplicity too but @ is worn out and basically impossible to make it look cool
 
@Wes why? The @ actually looks cool? :o)
 
^ I wanna call it a cliché ... I don't think it actually is ... yet ...
 
Wes
@bwoebi maybe in the early '90 was cool :P
 
@Wes there are things which are eternally cool
 
10:44 PM
yeah I'll bet I had a tshirt in the 90's with an @ on it ...
 
like mullets
 
Wes
in the '90 basically every IT company had a @ as logo
but you are too young to remember that :D
 
feels overused to me today still ...
 
right… back then it was just a mass hype of the internet … today it's cool again :-)
 
everything that was "turbo" in the 90's is "hd" today ... that's the only difference ...
 
10:47 PM
seriously, how many logos do include an @ today?
 
Wes
for a short period everything was 2.0
and now everything is "social"
 
go against the hype and be cool <3 (and create your own hype that way =D)
 
omg, I can't want to see social ovens, and social water filters ...
 
@Wes actually the "social" hype is dying off
especially with the twitter's nose-dive
 
@JoeWatkins you can't wait to or don't want to?
 
10:49 PM
don't want
I genuinely shouted at a company on twitter for advertising an HD oven ... HD .. OVEN ...
dicks ...
 
Wes
2014 - today : social bathroom (example: http://www.tripadvisor.com/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g1178558-d6756448-i102195559-Casa_Juana-Barichara_Santander_Department.html)
before : glory hole
 
I've also heard of HD water filters ...
 
@JoeWatkins I hope … that's a joke.
seriously.
 
.@HotpointUK THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A HIGH DEFINITION OVEN. STOP IT, NOW.
 
omg…
I … well …
 
10:52 PM
@JoeWatkins at least not yet. I don't think the inductive surfaces have advanced that much
 
even the new ones still have low-res UI
... I have looked it up, since I intend to dump €2'000 - €4'000 in kitchen
 
I like to imagine in the 90's there were Saab engineers sitting around cursing at the world for having turbo sunglasses ...
@tereško they were referring to the heat, they were calling it's cooking ability high definition ... this was a television advert ...
the stupidest I've ever seen ...
 
Wes
let's not forget about iEverything
 
no no ... let's ...
 
11:01 PM
@JoeWatkins yeah, I was thinking along the lines of this: youtube.com/watch?v=jmlXxeuTPqs
and the UIs on those still suck
 
i@TurboSocialHD gone viral
 
v2.0
 
note2self: this is your last glass of wine tonight
 
lots of stuff was Crouching for a while ...
 
that must have been a british thing
 
11:04 PM
I only remember the tiger
 
weren't there several of those films ?
 
I only know one
 
I'm wrong then ... memory is a thing I never mastered ...
 
maybe you did but forgot
 
@tereško what's the brand of the wine you got?
 
11:06 PM
some cheap Shiraz
 
shiraz is nice though, I doubt it'd be the last glass but well
 
@PaulCrovella that could have happened ... I'm gonna go with that ...
 
@Ekin naah, this one is not all that good
... and it has taken me only a month to become as snobbish about wines as I am already about beers
 
I can relate to the reverse
 
it's this thing:
 
11:10 PM
hmm sounds spanish
oh well it is
 
it's not bad (especially since it was on sale for ~5 euros), but I wouldn't describe it as "good"
 
fair enough
 
I also tend to go with SouthAfrica instead of Spain or France
 
I've got to drink lots of Merlot and Tannat lately which are pretty common here
 
yeah, I am sticking with Pinot Noir and Shiraz
 
11:15 PM
now I got cabernet sauvignon but it's almost always okay for a few glasses
I think I never tried Pinot Noir
 
same here with Tannat .. I didn't even know there such
 
Wes
@kelunik @bwoebi
wip. looks like shit so far lol
 
it's IMO too much wip to say anything about it :-/
 
@Wes just go all in and make it look like a standard grey alien
 
11:21 PM
TIL.: when you google "balloon elephant" some of results are highly inappropriate
... or maybe my mind is just damaged beyond repair
 
lol
 
Wes
lol
better than i expected it look like lol
 
@Wes thats postgresql logo
 
Wes
lol i never noticed it was an elephant
it sux though :P
 
11:37 PM
also
@theoakelephant, Sheffield, England
Art & Attire • E-mail: admin@theoakelephant.com • Shipping Worldwide
183 tweets, 664 followers, following 1.8k users
 
Wes
kelunik wanted a grunt-like logo
 
maybe the other end of the elephant would be less likely to conflict
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have a star
 
Wes
ahah
could be fun though :P
going to bed. tomorrow i'll watch deadpool. in a cinema! crazy. haven't been in a cinema for like 3 years
 
they say it's good
especially seeing how it has only $60m budget
 
Wes
11:45 PM
hope it's good. i have developed huge expectations on it
 
the people I trust say it's good
.. though I still will end up waiting for 1080p torrent release
if there was a $10/mo subscription service, which gave you option to stream any movie 3-to-6 months after cinema release, I would probably pay for it
hell, I am willing to pay $14/mo just of a persistent irssi and tunnel bounce point (in a form of VPS)
 
Wes
it's ridiculous that we need to wait months for the movies to get to dvd
 
not "months", it's actually year to year-and-half
 
Wes
yeah, many months
if movies were cheap and easily accessible, there would be way less piracy
 
yeah it double sucks for me cause even if I would want to go to cinema, there is none in about 45km area
and...I hate the city
 
11:56 PM
well, you probably live in a middle of jungle or something
 
not really, it's a beach town
which also attract many tourists but no cinema
 
ok, that's kinda odd
 
yeah
 
Wes
am i the only that buys movies and music after i tested their quality?
i'm happy to pay for something i've enjoyed. maybe it's a disease :P
 
I see the point with music, but having movie that is interesting to watch more than once is kinda rare
 

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