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4:00 PM
bob just said that ...
 
@NikiC I must be :s … looking again you're right.
 
because you know that voting yes will result in the picking of options with the most votes
it was stated in the rfc
 
@Tyrael Some of us would, but we strongly feel against an 1+2
@Tyrael the issue is that there were many yes votes, so it would have come to a pick between 1 and 2 additional years in either case.
 
I'm just saying it was objectively fair because the rules of the counting of votes and picking the results were stated beforehand
 
@Tyrael in that way, yes. But the rules themselves weren't very fair though.
 
4:01 PM
@Danack It's a known bug/feature: bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=63816
 
so I think that we can't really do anything which would result in a smaller unfairness than doing what was stated in the rfc
 
next time I'll request the vote is stopped ...
 
@bwoebi Sounds reasonable. BC should be limited
 
@JoeWatkins that would have been much better, indeed
the earliest point you can
 
it was like two days ago before I got to review the rfc ...
 
4:03 PM
because as I mentioned in my mail it could be argued that you would have not brought this up if the voting went in your preference
 
so I tweeted about it and thought that would do it ...
 
@Wes no, I experimented with it
 
did you mention anybody in speciifc?
 
but yeah, it worked quite fine so far, @Wes
 
@Tyrael At the point where I voted, the 1+1 was in a slight majority, so I didn't consider it too much of an issue…
 
4:03 PM
tbh. the last couple of days were pretty busy with all that drama around the CoC
 
I pinged people I knew, Pierre was involved in conversation on twitter and I pinged leigh in here ...
 
I still split out factory classes into their own namespace, btw
 
so I wouldn't be surprised if it was missed in the noise
 
No voters on php56timeline RFC might want to use their vote to do damage control, or else we're stuck with 5.6 for years :( #php #rfc
 
All RFC's by Zeev are extremely biased.
Just go look it up.
The language, the voting options, the behavior on list...
 
4:05 PM
@krakjoe @dshafik well, i have no option to say if extended support wins, I take 1y only...
 
@LeviMorrison that is something that I'm can't agree with, I'm fairly sure that he is aware that he is going out of his way to win people over for his votes instead of providing an objective list of options and let people pick what they want
but he isn't really the only one for that
 
2 === 5 because php ...
 
?
 
@Tyrael Possibly, but then it should be pointed out in future :x
 
@Tyrael It's not just his behavior on list. The very natures of the RFCs are so biased.
 
4:06 PM
I thought that tweet was two days ago ...
 
(Also my fault to not have pointed it out on list earlier…)
 
Remember him stopping a vote on an RFC for the 6/7 decision and then completely bias it to favor 7?
Surely I can't be the only one who remembers this.
 
yeah, I remember that
 
@LeviMorrison you mean the 6/7 vote?
 
@bwoebi nobody can stop you from that or offering help with the wording of the rfc
 
4:07 PM
@bwoebi Err, yes.
 
was funny though when Zeev offered to help with the 5.7 vote though
 
I like simple votes
 
for writing the rfc text I mean
 
I am a very opinionated person.
 
why even rush through something we have 6 months or more to make a decision on ... there is time for voting to be uncomplicated and unbiased ...
 
4:08 PM
But I don't make blanket statements for all of Internals in my RFCs stating opinion as if it is fact, etc.
 
I wish @Andrea could have kept her confidence in supporting the 5.7 release though
I think it would have had a better chance of winning if people don't see her changing to not support it anymore
 
@Tyrael I think it wasn't bad that we actually decided against a 5.7.
 
Wes
@Ocramius getting rid of named factories would be gold... but it's not actually the definition but rather having to write new class implements SomeFactory(){ function __invoke(...){} }
which by the way i don't even know if i can use it yet...
 
me too, we should put php 5 in a box, burn the box, forget it happened and move on ...
 
@Tyrael After all, IMHO, the difference between PHP 5 and PHP 7 isn't that big that it'd really matter.
 
4:10 PM
We should have a funeral for PHP 5.x at the next Zendcon, like Steve Jobs did with Classic Mac OS after OS X was out for a couple of years.
 
Which is also why I'm against 1+2 for PHP 5.6…
 
Anyway, I wish more people writing RFCs would get feedback on the non-technical part of RFCs before they go to discussion.
 
this would be a nightmare @bwoebi
"why do I have to use branch X for 5.6 and branch Y for 5.7?" 40 million times, daily ...
 
we could have eased the pain of upgrading to 7.0 and could have extended the 5.x lifecycle without creating exceptions about the 2+1 year rule
 
@JoeWatkins well, it's only sec support, but still, we should encourage people to move foward as always.
 
4:11 PM
from PR point this would be a precedence that we can cave in for extending the support
 
no I mean calling PHP 7, 5.7
 
and will be used in the future to suggest additional extension in the support
 
I mentioned precedence the other day too ... I should really email internals sometimes ...
 
@Tyrael I think we already provide long enough support, after all, there's always the distros providing their own support for up to ten years…………
 
@bwoebi I still wish they'd just band together and provide it through us.
If it's going to be alive for 10 years it may as well be done officially.
 
4:13 PM
@Tyrael It's much easier to extend a lifecycle than to do an extra release that essentially dos nothing else but extend the lifecycle
 
@bwoebi I hope so, would be funny if I have to RM 5.6 for more years than jpauli has to have 5.5 or anatol 7.0
 
@LeviMorrison hmmm.
 
The fact that distros are so happy to backport patches forever is a good reason to stop making it so easy for them to do so.
 
plottwist: they are just trying to keep me around /s
 
@Tyrael by "funny" you mean "eye-wateringly painful"?
 
4:14 PM
the only thing worth supporting for more than a decade is your own children ...
 
@Tyrael why that "/s"? It's true! /s
 
S M E L L E N E R G Y
 
I think what we decide for our maintenance window is nearly irrelevant anyway
 
@JoeWatkins I'm doing that in tandem
 
It's 100x more important in practical terms whether Ubuntu 16.04 will ship PHP 7 or PHP 5
 
4:15 PM
@NikiC that too.
 
Hello Guys
 
They would be stupid to ship PHP 7.
 
too soon probably ...
 
@NikiC I would bet a big amount of money that they will go with 5.6
 
wait guys, I'm getting the error undefined variable because my table is empty but when I put data on it, it works fine and displays the value. But how will I remove the undefined variable which is displayed when the table is empty?
 
4:16 PM
no way they can finish porting every php app/tool they package for supporting 7.0 until february
 
I don't actually care about everyone else, I'm worried about me ... the longer 5.6 is supported by internals the longer I have to work with it ... I hate that ...
 
that is the freeze deadline afair
 
@Pretorian Test for when the table is empty and don't use the variable. Or init it so it's defined.
 
They should provide php7 packages, but they should default to php5.
 
@LeviMorrison It's either PHP 5 or PHP 7, they won't provide both
And which one it will be is still in flux
 
4:17 PM
and lts usually based on the packages from the previous non lts version, so they aren't that brave with experience in lts releases
 
Is that not doable anymore?
@NikiC They've done something similar in the past.
For a while there were python2 and python3 packages.
 
@jbafford ok thanks :)
 
they are articulated they won't ship both
 
Define "ship".
 
@LeviMorrison the difference between py2 and py3 is much more significant and hence non-comparable I guess.
 
4:18 PM
somebody linked it from the reddit thread
 
And link to me please.
 
@LeviMorrison They stated that PHP 5 and PHP 7 will not be both supported. They would prefer shipping PHP 7, but will fall back to PHP 5 if the necessary work cannot be done in time.
 
@NikiC Okay. Link?
 
PHP7 is a revolution. I want to propose to create like two branches, PHP5 packages an PHP7 packages, like Python (python3 and python).
php5 (Ubuntu)
Wishlist / Triaged
 
> We are pretty certain that we don't want to ship both 5.6 and 7.0, so we expect to remove one or the other before release. Based on my current understanding I would like us to ship 7.0 in 16.04, but the transition needs to be completed first.
 
4:19 PM
@NikiC what's necessary ?
 
For 7.0 to make 16.04 it needs to have replaced all the functions that 5.6 currently performs for us (reverse dependencies etc) and replace 5.6 in main. If this doesn't happen by feature freeze (18 Feb), we expect to remove 7.0 from universe, and 16.04 will ship with 5.6 only.
 
Wes
@Ocramius sightly related. what would you think of default factories? say $foo->toSomething($optionalFactory), with $foo->toSomething() using a default factory which is defined in the method's code, $argFactory = $argFactory ?? $this->defaultFactory;
 
oh oh I see
 
hello guys
 
4:20 PM
@Tyrael Is there somewhere that shows what work needs to be done?
 
Am getting this error
 
I need to auto increments in a mysql table
 
Undefined index: Request_Method in C:\xampp\htdocs\Chattris\Signup.php on line 2
 
I don't use Ubuntu, but if I can help a major distro transition to 7, I wouldn't mind contributing some time.
 
I made both of them to be primary keys
but facing problem in setting auto_increment for second primary key
it says
Incorrect table definition; there can be only one auto column and it must be defined as a key
 
4:21 PM
@jbafford The last few comments in the thread give a basic picture, but nothing concrete
 
what should i do
 
@UmerAsif it's 'REQUEST_METHOD'
 
LOl
Thanks
@Gordon
 
@Wes new factories that I write actually only implement __invoke(), no interface
 
the last comment is annoying ...
 
4:23 PM
@Wes not sure I follow: abstract factories?
 
jbafford I was looking for an easy way to link the list of the recursive dependencies (packages with dependencies on php) but I couldn't find any online tool, but you get an ubuntu box, install apt-rdepends and use it to list those packages
 
2
Q: How to use 2 auto increment columns in MySQL phpmyadmin

user2106221Is it possible to use 2 auto increment values ? One starting from 0 Another starting from 4000400 Please help me

 
on 16.04 preferably
 
Wes
@Ocramius
function convertToStuff(StuffFactory $factory = null){
    $factory = $factory ?? new StuffDefaultFactory;
    // ...
    return $factory(....);
}
 
@Tyrael So it's basically a matter of going through all php Ubuntu package deps and fixing them (and testing to make everything works)?
 
4:25 PM
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A: How can you have two auto-incremental columns in one table?

RolandoMySQLDBAWhat you are proposing to do can only be done with MySQL cleanly under three(3) conditions CONDITION #1 : Use the MyISAM storage engine CONDITION #2 : Make auto_increment column part of a compound primary key CONDITION #3 : Each auto_increment for a given type must exist in its own row See the...

 
Wes
where StuffDefaultFactory is 99% of times the factory you'd use. idk...
 
It really sucks that Generators aren't autoprimed upon initialization
 
going through all debian packages which has a dependency on php5-, replacing those with php7-, then making sure that they either work out of the box, or fixing them and repacking and testing until they work
 
@Wes I don't understand the problem being solved tho :P
 
@NikiC That thread is full of such waffle
 
4:26 PM
@Tyrael are there many of them?
 
they ship everything from cms systems, php frameworks, webmail stuf, consol utilities, etc.
stuff like zend-framework (zf1), drupal, smarty, etc.
 
Two clowns who both agree they want to see PHP 7 in the next Ubuntu version arguing with each other because they can't agree on the definition of revolution
 
personally I would bet that they can't upgrade without dropping some packages
and I'm fairly sure that it is impossible for them to pull this off till 18 feb
 
wait, this is my init
if($query){

while($x=mysql_fetch_array($query)){
$reg_sched = $x['reg_sched'];
$reg_starttime = $x['reg_starttime'];
but still I got an undefined variable error when I call the variable $reg_sched for example
 
Wes
@Ocramius the problem being solved is suggest a default factory and, why not, shorten things. having to carry factories around kills me
 
4:28 PM
@Tyrael oh well… they rather should ship composer and have everything else delegated to it…
 
the default value if the table is empty should be null right?
 
@Wes it's not much effort, tbh. It's one of those things that is better having as repetitive code
otherwise, use an auto-wiring container
(and test it)
 
Wes
@QuolonelQuestions are you aware that the clowns contributed making the language you are using
 
I don't think Ondrej actually did anything other than build the packages
But regardless, I expected better from him
 
Is there any built-in function parsing raw http replies?
 
Wes
4:34 PM
@QuolonelQuestions what's your ultimate objective by being an ass with everyone?
 
What's your ultimate objective by questioning my motives?
 
curiosity, possibly.
 
Wes
we won't think you are smarter just because you throw shit at everyone, we will just think you are a bully/troll
 
It is none of my concern what you might think
 
@bwoebi that wouldn't be a reproducible method of installation and would make their installer depend on the availability of packagist and github
but yeah, I think that they should drop some packages
 
Wes
4:37 PM
i wonder why i don't meet such kind of person in real life. my knuckles literally beg for that to happen
 
@Wes Ignore early, ignore often - it makes things a lot more pleasant.
 
For those who are on OS X and actively uses git-subsplit, I made small homebrew tap to be able to install git-subsplit easily, check it - github.com/pinepain/homebrew-devtools. And as a bonus - bash completion included.
 
I can accept that they want to package stuff like phpmyadmin but there were a time when getting your stuff into debian was a huge exposure for a project, and now we are all paying the price :)
 
@PaulCrovella wisdom.
 
Perhaps because I do not exist in your material reality and am merely a computer program designed to aggravate you in particular
 
4:40 PM
@PaulCrovella would be interesting to see stats in regards to the most ignored chat users
 
@Wes some people just want to see the world burn, some think that going against the general opinion and being rude is sexy.
 
@zaq178miami And now, please make me a nice tool to synchronize two-way subtrees… (writes to it on both ends)
 
Wes
@QuolonelQuestions you are failing at it
your programmer shouldn't have used javascript to write you
@PaulCrovella yeah, ignored. i have no time for this
 
@bwoebi isn't it what git subtree can do?
 
Weird thing happening: If I view-source I can see value="9999" on an input. but that value is "" if I inspect properties in chrome dev tools, so I can't get that value w/ js
chrome or firefox
 
4:44 PM
@zaq178miami the issue is that the commit gets inserted with a new hash in case you don't want to preserve unrelated commits from the other repo not affecting the specific subtree :x
 
ah yes, i guess it is hard if even possible with git, isn't it?
 
(which is why it won't be reliably possible to do it as it'd violate gits invariants…)
 
@SuperNoob maybe there is JS setting it to "" ?
 
@zaq178miami yeah, impossible and that sucks ^^
 
at this time i'm at the read-only subsplits and rw master, which gives me less pain then with submodules, which are rw from both ends
at least i have single point where changes may be introduced
 
Wes
4:50 PM
@Ocramius idk, maybe i'm just trying to trim the wrong things. it's not that bad seen alone, but having a trillion factories, even just the files listed in the file explorer literally is the worst for me. i should put em in a namespace too. anyway why are you using invoke without interfaces? i mean, why not using just closures if you don't have interfaces to implement?
 
5:01 PM
Any Drupal virtuoso here?
 
posted on January 13, 2016 by nlecointre

/* by Aeon */

 
@Feeds this is what I'm talking about, coding love - this is the kind of shit that's going to get you voted off the island
 
@SuperNoob the source code doesn't reflect programmatic changes to elements attributes
 
@Tyrael well, fuck ubuntu
it's a retarded distro for retarded people
 
ouch
 
5:16 PM
It is unlikely that anyone who lives, has lived or will live will shall ever be as smart @tereško
 
@Wes mostly because I don't instantiate the closures upfront
that's why I use factory classes
 
some people have very awesome ideas and way too much time on their hands @VeeeneX
 
Fyi @kelunik @rdlowrey I've just cleaned up the tagging on Artax, moved v2 to master, master to 1.x and put a 2.0.0 on master as well as 1.0.1 on 1.x.
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier Totally agree :D
 
5:23 PM
@VeeeneX awesome
 
@crypticツ Not enough meat in that technical description.
 
user3867794
0
Q: Call to a member function fetch_object() on a non-object occurs

Tilak rajI am trying to put values inside my database but i am not able to achieve through this as i am getting an error constantly . ERROR: Call to a member function fetch_object() on a non-object Code: require '../connect.inc.php'; $result = $mysqli->query("SELECT COUNT(user_email) as usercount FROM ...

 
user3867794
i have this code
 
user3867794
but it shows an error
 
user3867794
any suggestions guys ?
 
@Shafizadeh example?
I think I know what you mean, but an example would help.
 
well, what I said is a fiddle ... I think it could be a example
 
user3867794
anyone ?
 
at the moment the query runs, so-called variables will have been evaluated already. So yeah, it will be sorted with whatever happens to be there. not exactly sure how your if resolves but make sure it actually produces a valid column name.
 
Hey guys!
I've kind of a strange problem..
I can't upload more than 4 files!
the files[] get unset after the 4th file
Can ya help ?
 
5:46 PM
@jbafford Interestingly, HHVM gives a different answer
 
They likely have a different sorting algorithm, or different tuning options on the sorting algorithm.
zend_sort appears to be qsort with an insertion sort optimization. HHVM may use a different breakpoint between when to use qsort and when to use insertion sort, or they may do something completely different.
 
@candh in php.ini
; Maximum allowed size for uploaded files.
upload_max_filesize = 40M

; Must be greater than or equal to upload_max_filesize
post_max_size = 40M
 
@jbafford OK, how about this
 
what's the "M" @VeeeneX ? Is it MB ?
or Mb ?
 
If I switch +1 for -1 the results are correct
 
5:49 PM
Yes
 
I'll look into that later. I'm currently investigating this issue:
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A: Fatal error: Call to a member function format() on boolean passing in Wordpress ACF Datepicker to template

jbaffordDateTime::createFromFormat returns false if it fails to convert the input string using the format specified. In your case, you're taking an $original_date, converting it to a numeric timestamp, and trying to pass that in to DateTime::createFromFormat, which isn't going to work, hence the error. ...

 
should this execute on the 3s?:
echo is_int($fisdap/3) ?: 'fis';
 
php.net/manual/en/ini.core.php#ini.sect.file-uploads @candh And this can be helpful for y
 
@VeeeneX please take a look at my question here :
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/34764416/files-3-are-not-being-uploaded-php
Thanks :)
 
@QuolonelQuestions in that case, it's because that just happens to get the elements in just the right order that it just happens to work in just that case.
 
5:51 PM
heh
Really? Are you sure it's not because working with 0 and -1 allows you to work with predicate functions instead?
 
@tereško I respectfully disagree :)
 
@QuolonelQuestions I would not hazard an answer on that, because it would rely on the implementation details of the algorithm, and not on its published interface.
 
@bwoebi Why did you delete the changelog? It's been long in RC and many projects use these probably. github.com/amphp/artax/commit/…
 
@kelunik It's common to use a separate changelog for each major version
 
And why did you release 2.0.0? Is the rewrite now planned for 3.0.0?
 
5:55 PM
to have a proper tag with the new amp.
The rewrite is already planned for looong time, but we should have a tag now.
 
I'm trying to use PHPExcel, and it works if I access the page directly in my browser, but if I make an ajax call to the page, it doesn't do anything. Why is that?
 
yep, it's a bug
 
Also, I have no idea if that rewrite now ever happens as Daniel has a job … @kelunik
I'm a bit annoyed how having a job oppresses all of Daniels open source contribution…
 
can someone tell me why 'fis', and 'dap' don't output, but the rest does:
<?php
$fisdap=1;
while($fisdap++ && $fisdap<100){
$fisdap2=$fisdap;
echo"$fisdap2<br>";
echo is_int($fisdap2/3) ?: 'fis' || '';
echo is_int($fisdap2/5) ?: 'dap' || '';
}
all i got was return true
 
6:15 PM
@ajaxGuru have you heard about double or float values?
 
@VeeeneX i wrote it as isint, and got bad stuff
 
Your value is numeric so you can use is_numeric
 
fisdap only outputs on 3, and 5
 
@ajaxGuru 3v4l.org/VDjUP
 
nope
that was every line
fis only goes on lines where 3 is an int, dap only goes on lines where dap is an int
nvm
!!magic
@VeeeneX why do you sometimes use the ?: and others use the ?
 
6:37 PM
@ajaxGuru Are you coming from a JS background?
Or what's that weird boolean or operator usage? ;-)
 
php built for ajax
i saw ?: in some documentation, so i was confused
 
I just mean, your code looks like a weird JS+PHP hybrid ^^
 
@bwoebi exactly
 
what you want is echo is_int($fisdap/3) ? 'fis' : '';
 
i build my php for ajax feeding
 
6:40 PM
that's a ternary operand…
 
where would you use ? and use ?: elsewhere?
 
'fis' || '' is evaluated as a boolean true
 
First code was your's then I knew what you want to achieve
 
@ajaxGuru ?: returns the operand on the lhs if it evaluates to true, else the one on the rhs
 
i wrote it all
 
6:42 PM
@ajaxGuru 3v4l.org/540qt
But it's better to use modulus
 
so you can do a database results with an
while($results?:)
 
why is it that newbies always try to add "pro", "guru" or "master" in their nicknames?
9
is it meant sarcastically?
 
xDDDDD
 
@tereško Well, that means that they are at the point where they think to know nearly everything while not realizing that they know barely anything.
 
That was fun. Figured out why php doesn't parse a weird date format.
 
6:45 PM
@jbafford … or you just could have asked here?^^
 
maybe the date was in the format 01/02/03 .. is it yy/mm/dd or mm/dd/yy or dd/mm/yy .. or my personal favorite: mm/dd/yy
 
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A: Fatal error: Call to a member function format() on boolean passing in Wordpress ACF Datepicker to template

jbaffordDateTime::createFromFormat returns false if it fails to convert the input string using the format specified. In your case, you're taking an $original_date, converting it to a numeric timestamp, and trying to pass that in to DateTime::createFromFormat, which isn't going to work, hence the error. ...

Date was lFdY. PHP can't actually parse l without a separator afterwards.
 
yeah, obviously. Parsing is case-insensitive… so it just sees fridayjuly
 
actually, no, that's not what happens.
and case-sensitivity has nothing to do with it
 
I mean that an uppercase J doesn't serve as a separator
 
6:50 PM
An uppercase J wouldn't serve as a separator.
 
that's all I said.
 
ah, ok. (mis)interpreted what you said as "there's not a J to serve as a separator".
 
Wes
7:06 PM
ohi @Jimbo :D phpbible == me :D did you like the elephpmoses?
 
7:19 PM
@Wes Is that what that was? I thought he was upset because he bought a PHP 6 book on Amazon
 
Wes
rofl
 
nah, he couldn't figure out why it was covered with �����
 
Wes
sorry, accidentally saved the tablets as ISO-8859 but served as UTF-8
 
7:36 PM
user image
2
 
hah
 
ahahah
Is that before or after the smashing?
 
after :-( It's unbreakable.
 
Wes
lol
 
> Data URIs encoded in Base64 may contain whitespace for human readability.
wut?
 
7:42 PM
@bwoebi its probably plastic
 
@NorthbornDesign you can wrap & align it so things around it are readable
 
Ah, that makes sense.
Fixed column width, or whatever.
 
Im back again
desperately hoping somebody here knows drupal
before i post a question ;_;
 
it's the other way around @HaiderAli. Ask your question before anyone know if it's related to drupal or if they can/wish to answer
 
I'm tired, just going to post a question
 
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Q: DRUPAL - Unable to locate help information about module - help_hook()

Haider AliI've been trying for the past few hours to get myself familiar with writing modules for drupal and its hook system. My module is named membercount It is located in sites/all/modules/membercount I've created the membercount.info file and the membercount.module file. I've implemented the hook_h...

 
they rip off a reddit thread, then disable right-click on their images. classy.
 
Why this answer doesn't work? Who knows what's the problem?
 
ohhh fuck drupal.
 
Wes
> Don't use global state. Statics are fine.
 
8:12 PM
ok now seriously fuck drupal.
2
 
xD
 
8:30 PM
xD
 
8:48 PM
Does specifying function args with type info (ZEND_BEGIN_ARG_WITH_RETURN_TYPE_INFO_EX) leads to typecheck on returned values? //cc @bwoebi
 
@bwoebi convert_to_long also uses strtol, no? yes I know it sucks
 
@Andrea yes it does…
Nikita already mentionied… wasn't paying attention.
 
we could fix this but I feel like it'd have to be PHP 8
idk
 
@Andrea Why?
or what exactly?
 
@Wes who da fak wrote that?
 
Wes
8:50 PM
idk a guy on twitter
 
@bwoebi behaviour change, possibly BC break
@Wes what ambiguity? if you have \Iterator you're fine, if you have \IteratorAggregate you're fine
 
How in the donkey balls do you get the help hook to work in drupal 7
 
@Andrea Yes sure… bit confused by multitasking too much :-D
 
Wes
yeah but could be both
$iterator = $stuff instanceof IteratorAggregate ? $stuff->getIterator() : $stuff;
if both interfaces were allowed in the same class, would be able to implement getIterator(){ return $this; } on an Iterator
 
@Wes that's misleading
the iterator that IteratorAggregate::getIterator() gives you should not affect the original object
 

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