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1:01 PM
especially if you have a decent grasp on the English language, most programming can be learned online for free
the value of an education in IT is getting your first job in the industry, but that's easily done without a degree
 
@NikiC so, I figured out the problem ...
it's cache slots ... which you can reverse, but, there's no simple way to tell what an operand is being used for ...
that's a real shit ...
 
@HassanAlthaf I would, because not only do you learn what you need to with structured content, you learn many other things about organising your time etc. That's also pretty darn cheap, as long as it's an internationally recognised academic qualification
Maybe grunt jobs don't require a degree, many only require relevant experience, but some of the higher ones require both. It depends how far you want to go and how easy you want it later on
Some companies are dropping the academic qualification requirement to make a point - but they are few and far between
 
@PeeHaa why Requestable cannot make request with file?
 
@salathe What catchable fatal errors have not yet been converted to Error exceptions in PHP 7? 3v4l.org/Z2hmd shows that E_RECOVERABLE_ERRORs are now exceptions that cause fatal errors if not caught (and bypass the set_error_handler() function). Or am I completely missing something? D:
 
1:21 PM
@Jimbo thought so. Considering. @ScottArciszewski Okay. I'll think.
 
@bwoebi @nikita2206 was this change intentional? 3v4l.org/b4Jaq
it looks like a bug... maybe caused by the uniform variable syntax RFC?
 
guess you meant @NikiC ;)
 
ahoi. is there any open source project for php that detects duplicates in a database (not only 100% matches)
 
@nikita2206 oops, ty :)
 
@sguetsch what kind of data?
 
1:34 PM
E_WRONG_NIKITA
 
@rtheunissen Relational Databases
 
Like textual data?
Long bodies of text, or titles of things, or the entire row?
 
@samayo finally!
 
WHAT THE?!
Rogue Wave Software acquires @Zend! #ZendRogueWave #acquisitions #ZendRogueWave http://mwne.ws/1L97Q2Q
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what is rogue wave
 
1:41 PM
I have 0 idea
 
... why do I get a feeling that it's one of those companies which sells "RAM optimizers"?
 
@Ocramius If this were Friday I'd not believe it
 
That's weird
 
> LOUISVILLE, CO--(Marketwired - October 06, 2015) - Rogue Wave Software announced today that it has acquired Zend Technologies, the leader in end-to-end PHP web and mobile application development and deployment solutions. With 50 percent of the web workload running on PHP, including Magento, Drupal, and WordPress, Zend products drive PHP in the enterprise, from code creation through production deployment.
 
@Ocramius So, they were running out of money faster than I thought.
 
1:44 PM
@nikita2206 roguewave.com Looks like they're a middleware company. Since Zend sells a lot of middleware themselves that would make sense
 
I didn't know Zeev is CTO there ...
 
so the bullshit will not end
 
Hey everyone.
 
So.....at least changing the engine to be called the PHP engine and not zend engine, has a massive barrier removed.
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I mean CTO with Zend
 
1:46 PM
then there are at least two good things that could come from that acquisition
 
@Danack that... sounds like it, yes
 
In mysql I would like to rewrite "...HAVING comment = 'foo'" to "...HAVING SUM(comment = 'foo') > 0". Anyone knows how to convert that boolean into an integer (1/0) ?
 
@Danack Or it makes a PHP fork (i.e. MariaDB) more likely
 
Im grouping my result. The having-clause should pick entries which got more than 1 occurences in the comment column.
 
@Ocramius wtf
 
1:49 PM
oh I'm happy that I'm going to ZendCon
so many questions.
 
Someone an idea, how I can create a live-stream webcam ? What's the best technology ? NodeJS?
 
@Ocramius You mean RogueWaveCon :P
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kinda sad that the main reason by Zend is known is not even mentioned in the article.
 
how do I program the RogueWave Engine?
 
1:52 PM
I mean, I want to sum true's. In this case the equivalent "1".
 
feels like don Quixote with the windmills now.
 
Admit that Zend being acquired by a company I’ve never heard of is initially alarming. Hoping for the best!
[BLOG] #BigData problems? Can #Java really help? The answer: YES! http://bit.ly/1GphdWG
hmmm
 
Ok, someone is star happy
 
pointless stars are pointless
 
@Gordon could you please remove them .. and kick Taras Repa
 
1:55 PM
bah, I need a walk
 
No, @Ocramius don't leave us
 
Hmm, is there any way to interface with the Zend RogueWaveOpCache from the outside, e.g. without calling it's PHP API? To get status info out of it?
 
Terrorists have taken over PHP
 
ya know, fuck this
I am going shopping
 
Who went star mad?
 
1:57 PM
Morning's
 
@Fabor it looked like this user:
 
Hahahha
 
yeah fuck this, im going scala
 
based on chat activity
 
user895378
/me deletes all the stupid stars
 
1:58 PM
Zend has been acquired by Rogue Wave
 
Making it easier to write, test and deploy complex code. I'm sure Internals is going to love using Rogue Wave tools to develop PHP
 
@rdlowrey was it a bot?
 
user895378
@marcio Don't know, don't care :)
 
That's why so many people didn't want scalar type hints. They knew that as soon as it went through, Zend would be bought on account of PHP actually becoming a real language
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@rdlowrey \o
 
heh
 
1:59 PM
Anybody going to Rogue Wave Con next month?
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haha
 
user895378
@Jimbo lol this
 
@MarkBaker Scroll up. You're late to the party :P
 
Is it good news or bad news zends takover
 
user895378
@Jimbo please tweet this
 
2:00 PM
@Machavity - I'm not late with the joke about Rogue Wave Con am I?
 
@AnmolRaghuvanshi too early to tell
 
10 mins ago, by Machavity
@Ocramius You mean RogueWaveCon :P
 
posted on October 06, 2015 by aliceljdc

/* by d4b0urn4 */

 
<damn>
 
Can't fit into 140 chars :(
 
2:01 PM
Refactor it
 
@AnmolRaghuvanshi how can one know... too much space for speculation.
 
That's why so many didn't want scalar type hints! They knew that Zend would be bought on account of #PHP actually becoming a real language
Does that work?
 
@Jimbo that's good enough.
 
@marcio looks buggy… maybe AST patch had broken something there.
 
2:02 PM
My first ever retweet
 
It's not the type-hints that make PHP a real programming language, it's the spaceship operator
 
From to time I catch myself thinking: "I should post more stuff on twitter". And then I realize for fucking retarded that thought actually is.
 
Only real programming languages have <=>
 
user895378
@Jimbo I really needed to RT this. Thank you.
 
@rdlowrey Haha, np
 
2:05 PM
@MarkBaker WaveCon isn't actually a bad name. And neither is RogueCon.
 
No one wants to know what I ordered at Starbucks so I don't bother tweeting really.
 
Does anyone know of an internal function that i) Takes a callable as a param ii) returns the callable to userland PHP ?
 
Catch the Wave
 
starship operator … pffff … php will not be a real programming language until they also implement the |-o-| tie fighter operator and the deathstar operator O
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@Gordon you must prepare that RFC for April Fools
 
2:08 PM
@Gordon E_THATS_NO_MOON
 
actually it will not be a real language until it has all of these: dailydot.com/geek/star-wars-emoticons
 
throw new \LookAtTheSizeOfThatThingException
^ replace OOB :-)
 
I assume that the death star operator works on convergence arrays
 
@Danack Closure::bind
 
previously I was using php 5.3 which were supporting safe-mode but on my new server I have installed php 5.4 so this method is deprecated ,so actually in web services device side was sending (while uploading images) image in BODY and request in header but due to above changes I am not able to set variable in $_SERVER
 
2:10 PM
@kelunik Almost. That returns a closure, I am looking for an example that returns an actual callable like [$obj, 'methodName']
(actually I'm hoping none exists....)
 
I don't think something like that exists, but we're talking about PHP, who knows...
 
Great success \o/
 
so, can I interface with OpCache with anything else than PHP? that was actually a real question.
 
Could probably do something with PHP7 anonymous classes
 
@Gordon I really doubt it....it's not a separate thing at all.
 
2:13 PM
@Danack so in case I would want to monitor it, I'd have to somehow execute a php script
 
You want to monitor OpCache, PHP or the script you're running?
 
hmm .. got invited to the 2nd round of job interviews
 
@tereško Congrats! :) Where at?
 
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Q: safe-mode alternate in php 5.4.44?

Johnpreviously I was using php 5.3 which were supporting safe-mode but on my new server I have installed php 5.4 so this method is deprecated ,so actually in web services device side was sending (while uploading images) image in BODY and request in header but due to above changes I am not able to set...

 
@Gordon I am not 100% sure, but I would say yes. You need to run a script - as it doesn't seem to get exposed anywhere. Which leads to the obvious question - why isn't it? And why isn't it part of the PHP-FPM process monitoring stuff.
 
2:16 PM
@Machavity opcache
 
@Jimbo this company: mintos.com/en
 
Congrats teresko
 
@Danack right, the php-fpm status api is why I was hoping there was another way
 
@Gordon presumably you're aware of github.com/PeeHaa/OpCacheGUI - @PeeHaa does opcachGui expose an API that can be called ?
 
@Danack I've seen this one and all the other projects. they call the status from PHP
also seen your SO question
 
2:18 PM
@tereško Finance? Nice, good luck, let us know how you get on... what country or remote?
 
@Gordon Why does it have to be something other than PHP? Did you see github.com/PeeHaa/OpCacheGUI?
 
@Jimbo still in Latvia
 
@tpunt there aren't many, but the number is definitely non-zero. lxr.php.net/…
 
Cool, sounds good :)
 
@Gordon Maybe check out APCu github.com/krakjoe/apcu
 
2:19 PM
it actually will be 3rd finance-related company, if they do not fail the interview, @Jimbo
 
@Gordon I WAS NOT REP-FARMING!! (I was totally rep farming....).
 
@bwoebi ok, bug reported
 
@kelunik because my client is not a php client
 
shopping
 
@Gordon How does he use OpCache then?
 
2:21 PM
@kelunik that's why I am asking whether it exposes a different interface
 
I don't understand that. If they use PHP, writing a script to serve up the status doesn't seem a big deal. If they don't use PHP, why do they need to know about OPCache.
 
@marcio fine, let's see if I'll have time to look at it or if someone else will be faster…
 
Oh - it's for monitoring other people's applications.
without having to install anything.
 
@Danack :)
 
@bwoebi this seems trivial.
 
2:23 PM
Make a feature request....this is probably something that ought to be done. And the new enterprise overlords of PHP would probably want something like it anyway.
 
seems ;-)
 
Though...on the other hand. Stuff like this can be done so easily in userland....
PHP really needs a better way of distributing scripts that are available for all installations.
 
@Danack phar?
 
I said a better way...
BA-DUM-TISH
 
@Danack feature request with whom?
 
2:34 PM
@Gordon Even if there was something like PHP-FPMs monitoring thingy, people would still need to edit their apache/nginx config to expose it to the monitoring service, and that's the big bit of work. If you provided them with the script, dropping it onto the server at the right place seems to be an easy task for anyone capable of editing the webserver config.
bugs.php.net has 'feature request' as an issue description
 
@Danack uncommenting a config file is easier ;)
@Danack the last feature request I put in there is rotting for years :)
 
anybody has any clue?
 
@Danack but ok, I guess I can live with having to use a PHP file for now. thanks
 
@tpunt Ah, isn't it a property name?
It's written like $foo in the code, but it's not the variable $foo
Just like $bar in Foo::$bar is not a variable, even though it's formatted like one
@marcio Bug caused by the AST
I didn't even realize we allow different docblocks for different parts of a property decl
 
yeah, that's news to me too :/ it kinda makes sense though
 
2:47 PM
Guys i need city name based on pincode ..Is there any Google API..Please help
 
yo
 
Do cities have pincodes?
@ircmaxell o/
 
@user12688 very easy to google
 
@iroegbu Because you didn't open an issue for it and waited for a year till I got around to implementing it :P
@Danack It's on the backlog
Also known as the waybacklog :P
 
3:08 PM
@PeeHaa how do you intend to expose this?
 
@Gordon I was thinking a simple web api
 
@PeeHaa hmm, ok. but in userland, right? so I install your app and then can get the data in json or something
 
@salathe @salathe Good point - fortunately we were more careful with the wording in the official migration guide :) That particular BC break (custom error handlers not always triggering now) was not actually mentioned in the BC breaks part though, so I'll need to update that part later...
 
@Gordon Yeah. Install the thing and wget / whatever http://mything/api/get-status.php
 
@PeeHaa ok, not what I am looking for :)
 
3:12 PM
What are you looking for exactly?
 
something like php-fpm's status interface
basically direct access to the opcache
 
@NikiC Fair point :) I'll close my PR on php-ast since I'm not too bothered about AST_PARAM
 
ugh, Zend acquired? can we tell them to go away already
inb4 ln -s Zend RogueWaveEngine
 
@tpunt Huh, didn't realize there was a PR
 
Anonymous
3:23 PM
@Andrea github.com/TazeTSchnitzel/php-src/commit/… is that a default exception message? It seems too short to be one.
 
@samayo Yes, because it's what / does (and maybe %? I can't remember)
 
Morning.
 
intdiv(), % and / are all three approaches to the same thing, basically
 
@Andrea It's a good time to remove mentions of Zend from php-src.
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And not replace them with RogueWave.
 
@LeviMorrison I propose we rename it the Lerdorf engine
no no no
I've got it
@LeviMorrison mv Zend JVM, since PHP is literally Java now
 
3:26 PM
@NikiC lol, yeah it just applied AST_VAR to the children of AST_PARAM and AST_PROP_ELEM (which I now see was a bad idea...)
 
> Know, inventory, use, and resolve all aspects of open source software within your organization with this enterprise-class set of management, scanning, and support tools [...]
/ shivers
 
s/zval/rwval/g
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man, it is too early in the morning for this
 
@tpunt I should really get to going over the migration guide with a fine-toothed comb...
 
3:41 PM
no
 
Zeev and Andi will rename themselves Rogueev and Awavei
 
@Andrea Why don't you just commit that right ahead?
 
@bwoebi with anything touching PHP7 I'm going to be careful and check with RMs
 
@Andrea That's IMO too careful… but fine.
 
The RogueWave Engine License
 
3:44 PM
@salathe Yeah, I've still got a (growing) todo list that I'm slowly working through for it... It's slowly getting there though :)
 
PHP 7 is powered by the RogueWave Scripting Language Engine III
 
Installing dependencies for HHVM is harder than installing HHVM itself…
 
yeeeep
though probably quicker :p
 
Trying to install libmemcached…
./libmemcached-1.0/memcached.h:46:12: fatal error: 'tr1/cinttypes' file not found
#  include <tr1/cinttypes>
sigh
 
rename the Zend Engine to the ElePHPant Engine
 
3:46 PM
Hey guys, did you hear? jQuery and Dojo have merged. I hope this news doesn't upset the six people still using Dojo.
 
eleval
 
user895378
@ircmaxell lol
 
  6. All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this
     software must display the following acknowledgment:
     "The Zend Engine is freely available at zend.com";
oh god I forgot about this fucking clause
strictly speaking, talking about PHP in an advert requires you to mention Zend
 
yup, which is why I don't see it as FOSS
 
@ircmaxell mhm :/
we could ask RogueWave management to get rid of that clause
 
3:49 PM
@bwoebi Huh? I just had to copy an apt-get line
 
@NikiC on OS X obviously … Linux distros would be too easy.
 
oh
does it even work on os x?
 
Why would someone buy Zend?
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@NikiC it should.
 
why are you building hhvm?
 
3:50 PM
@NikiC not really
@Fabor maybe they believed PHP was actually owned by Zend
 
heh
 
@Fabor - companies like buying companies..... and that likely involves investing in the future of ZRay, Zend Studio, etc
 
hmm
 
Zend does have real products that they sell for real money
 
someone convince RogueWave to release a new version of the Zend Engine License that says you can distribute under the PHP License
please
 
3:52 PM
FYI @bwoebi and me (and jpauli and Sara) will be on phproundtable.com in about an hour
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@NikiC nice
 
Maybe they'll release PHP 6
 
wait, that means I'll hear NikiC speak
o.O
 
@NikiC nice!
 
@Jimbo - I'm already a PHP6 certified engineer
 
3:54 PM
@NikiC Ah damn, I'll be rock climbing then :( Is it recorded?
 
@MarkBaker I really wish I'd gotten one of them, I would champion it - maybe have it chiseled onto my gravestone (more srsly I'd put it on my bike :-))
 
@tpunt It's recorded
@tpunt Outdoors?
 
@NikiC Nah, just indoors to start with (belay training tonight)
 
Zend elephpants will become limited edition.
 
@tpunt Ah, so you're just starting out?
 
3:56 PM
That's a point.... really must try harder to get a Chili
 
@NikiC Yeah, I thought I'd join our university's rock climbing society. I've been bouldering for a couple of weeks now, belay training tonight, and then actual rock climbing next week :D
@NikiC Do you do rock climbing then?
 
@tpunt Yes
At least until a couple months ago
 
@NikiC Ah cool - how long have you been rock climbing for?
 
wish Zend could have bought by HashiCorp if they have to be bought by somebody unrelated to php :P
 
At which point one climber in my group broke his heel and the other is off to russia ^^
 
3:58 PM
Ouch, how'd he manage to break his heel?!
 
@tpunt By a quite spectacular fall from ... about 0.5 m height
 
wow
 
Was just a very unfortunate landing
 
Oh wow, that was pretty unfortunate...
I take it he wasn't very experienced?
 
@tpunt accidents happen to everyone
 
4:01 PM
@Gordon Nope. Out of scope. Sorry :)
 
@salathe True. Well I'm really looking forward to rock climbing tonight now :x
 
@tpunt Not long, about a year maybe. I'm not particularly good at it ^^
 
Anonymous
@NikiC s/bwoebi and me/bwoebi and I/
 
Anonymous
:D
 
Anonymous
Couldn't let it pass. Afterall this is my only chance to correct you :P
 
4:04 PM
@NikiC Yeah, rock climbing looks a lot easier than it is... Still it's a lot of fun to do :)
 
I'm somewhere between level 7+ and 8-, but I don't know which scale. Looking at Wikipedia probably Finnish one
 
posted on October 06, 2015 by aliceljdc

/* by IRoyaLPhoenixI */

 
I've never done rock climbing, but I was a rigging specialist for rope rescue (I stay on the ground, and setup the rope systems used by others)
 
Anonymous
Meh, working daily with PHP itself is like rock climbing ..
 
Anonymous
no need for moaaare funtasy for me
 
4:14 PM
@NikiC So why'd you stop rock climbing then? Too much uni work?
 
4:27 PM
Greetings.
 
/me gives up
CMake Error at cmake/readline.cmake:183 (MESSAGE):
  Cannot use libreadline!
Call Stack (most recent call first):
  cmake/readline.cmake:194 (FIND_SYSTEM_LIBEDIT)
  CMakeLists.txt:397 (MYSQL_CHECK_READLINE)
whether I specify libreadline or libedit in configure, both don't work
 
@tpunt Partially, but mainly my climbing group no longer existing ^^ I do plan to get back to it
@bwoebi What you planning to work on?
 
@NikiC nothing in special… just want to have it running locally at all to try and compare.
 
Just install a package?
 
4:52 PM
@NikiC coming to roundtable?
 
I wonder what the end to end mobile application development solution is being talked about in the press blurb ...
 
morning
 
moin
 
any bash scripting gurus around
 
mornings
 
4:56 PM
\o
 
@Orangepill there is no such thing. everyone just hacks stuff until it works.
 
well anyone know how to use a command defined by a bash 'declare' statement in a bash script...
 
@Orangepill declare is usually just setting a variable - can you show an example.
 

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