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10:00 PM
Is design by a bunch of hippies better?
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ but where is the reference that they actually said that?
 
@Prismatic Which one
 
@manetsus Maybe
 
Is this some dumb homework or what is happening here
 
10:01 PM
Dunno
I'm out
 
do you guys watch stuff online when eating
 
what do you usually watch
 
I lurk in the lounge for those 7 minutes it takes for me to eat
 
I'm running out of stuff
Sometimes I spend more time looking for something to watch than actually eating
 
10:06 PM
why people need to use JAVA where c++ is reasonably faster than that?
 
JAVA
 
JAVA
 
JAVA
 
10:06 PM
JAVA
 
user1804599
SCALA
 
IS
 
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LAM
 
E
 
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RLANG
 
10:07 PM
UAGE
 
THAN
 
ASSEMBLY
 
a) they want to finish and not waste thousands of hours and not kill themselves in the process b) they want tooling that's actually good and useful and not stuck in 1930
 
That might be it
Also you can stop now
 
10:08 PM
Thank God you gave me the permission to stop. I couldn't go on any further.
 
@CatPlusPlus Did C++ bully you as a child? I've never seen someone so bitter at a language
 
I mean it in "I'm going to kick for next one" way
 
I mean I get annoyed a lot at it too but still
 
He is bitter towards everything
Except maybe his favorite language for that specific moment
 
CatSharpSharp
 
10:10 PM
C++ fanboys are annoying
 
You know any?
 
They need to be destroyed
 
[language] fanboys are annoying
 
Like, I'd rather listen to hardcore Lisp dinosaurs than anyone wondering why people don't want that ~~~C ++ prefformance~~
 
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@CatPlusPlus I prefer pulverisation
 
10:11 PM
Just so so bad
I'm talking too much about programming, that's the problem
 
Is there another multiparadigm language with static typing?
 
user1804599
@Mr.kbok do you like my face
 
Go, Rust, D, C#, Java, OCaml, Haskell, Typed Racket, Scala, F#
I might remember some more
 
@CatPlusPlus Isn't Haskell a functional language?
 
10:12 PM
Oh Visual Basic
Pascal
 
user1804599
@caps Eiffel
 
Haskell is not multiparadigm
 
Sure is
 
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@caps Mercury
 
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@caps TypeScript
 
10:13 PM
I wanna hear how you are going to explain Haskell is a multiparadigm language
Go on
 
Most languages are
Uh
Also reactive which is fairly different paradigm than functional
 
That has nothing to do with the characteristics of a language
 
So what about C++ makes it multiparadigm
 
In all those cases you have to use an external library
 
Uh
So what
 
10:15 PM
@CatPlusPlus It supports functional and imperative styles
 
user1804599
@caps Perl 6
 
Oh, multiparadigm language with static typing and no garbage collector.
 
Out of the box
 
user1804599
@caps Hack
 
What it supports about functional
 
10:15 PM
And OOP
 
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@caps COBOL
 
@CatPlusPlus Functions, lambdas, partial application, value semantic, immutable values
 
user1804599
@caps Fortran supports both imperative and array programming
 
@elyse Now you're just trolling.
 
Where does it have partial application
 
user1804599
10:16 PM
@caps PL/pgSQL
 
std::bind
 
That's not built-in
 
user1804599
That's a library feature.
 
It's part of the language
 
"Multiparadigm" is a dumb gimmick and who gives a fuck if it's implemented as built-ins or not
 
10:16 PM
@CatPlusPlus If you don't consider the stdlib part of the language then yes, C++ is super-terrible.
 
user1804599
@caps Clojure with core.typed
 
You can wrangle any paradigm you want into Lisp
 
Never mentioned built-in
I said "part of the language".
 
No, because you're just cherrypicking some arbitrary restrictions
 
Which is fairly different from built-in
 
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10:17 PM
@caps Objective-C
 
You don't need that library for imperative programming in Haskell btw
You only need Monad
 
1 min ago, by caps
Oh, multiparadigm language with static typing and no garbage collector.
 
Oh no GC
Who cares
Also Rust
 
user1804599
Cabbage collector.
 
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@caps COBOL
 
10:17 PM
Haskell is purely functional. It may support other paradigms by wrapping that functional paradigm with something else. But that doesn't change that Haskell as a language is purely functional.
 
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@caps C
 
Fortran
 
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@caps Ada
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ lol
 
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I think. Not sure.
 
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10:18 PM
@caps Objective-C and Swift
 
user1804599
Unless you count refcounting as a GC
 
C++ is purely imperative. It may support other paradigms by wrapping that imperative paradigm with something else. But that doesn't change that C++ as a language is purely imperative.
 
lol is all you can say, of course
@CatPlusPlus C++ supports object orientation, and functional as a language
 
@elyse Well, I think I would consider it more or less GC. Maybe not.
 
But oh my god it has a library that implements a thing that is also implemented by functional languages I CAN SEE THE MULTIPARADIGMNESS NOW
 
10:19 PM
With no wrapping whatsoever
 
The compiletime insertion of deletes scares me about as much as GC.
 
TMP isn't really imperative is it?/
 
c h r i s t
 
@caps That's RAII
Also it's dumb
 
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10:19 PM
@caps low-level native savage
 
@CatPlusPlus You have something against RAII too?
Jesus Christ
 
Everything supports OOP because you don't need any language support for it whatsoever
 
My question was too vague.
 
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It's like, you'd write the code, except now you don't and instead the compiler writes the exact same fucking code for you except less error-prone.
 
Also again the imperative part of Haskell is in Monad, that's as much "part of the language" as std::bind
 
10:20 PM
@elyse How is RAII error-prone?
 
What's wrong with RAII now?
 
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@caps It's not.
 
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Manual deletes are.
 
@elyse Then what are you talking about?
 
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1 min ago, by caps
The compiletime insertion of deletes scares me about as much as GC.
 
10:21 PM
~~~~With no wrapping~~~~~~
Fucking hell
 
user1804599
Programming without a tracing garbage collector is needlessly painful. Don't do it.
 
user1804599
Tracing GCs allow a more accurate simulation of infinite memory, which is easier to reason about.
 
@elyse Yeah. The compiler inserting raw deletes into my code. I prefer RAII.
 
user1804599
It doesn't in Objective-C.
 
esteemed lounge denizens, why can't I use types nested in a parent of a class template? coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/92e29cc81e1985d7
 
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10:22 PM
It inserts atomic refcount decrements.
 
@caps What
what
 
It works if I fully qualify it
 
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goodbye @Mr.kbok
 
@Prismatic Because C++
 
> Haskell /ˈhæskəl/[22] is a standardized, general-purpose purely functional programming language, with non-strict semantics and strong static typing.
 
10:24 PM
hth
 
I'm asking about a multiparadigm language with static typing, no garbage collector, that's widely used in industry (i.e. you can get a job most places with it) for numerous purposes.
 
It doesn't say multiparadigm
 
Oh for fuck's sake
 
user1804599
it's also wikipedia
 
Can you think for yourself for 10 seconds
@caps Keep piling on arbitrary shit, that'll give you useful answers
 
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10:24 PM
Which, as the same source, lists all these paradigms: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Programming_paradigms
 
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Haskell applies to more than one of those.
 
@CatPlusPlus How is refining what I'm looking for "piling on arbitrary shit?"
 
@CatPlusPlus Everything that I've said before this last quote was from myself
 
user1804599
Functional and expression-oriented.
 
But I'm terrible at expressing things
 
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10:25 PM
There you go. Same source, multiple paradigms. Conclusion: Haskell is multi-paradigm.
 
And also classifying things
You're good at cherrypicking and handwaving away things that don't support your argument though
 
user1804599
Just wait for my programming language.
 
Which one
 
> Just as software engineering (as a process) is defined by differing methodologies, so the programming languages (as models of computation) are defined by differing paradigms.
> Some languages are designed to support one particular paradigm (Smalltalk supports object-oriented programming, Haskell supports functional programming), while other programming languages support multiple paradigms (such as Object Pascal, C++, Java, C#, Scala, Visual Basic, Common Lisp, Scheme, Perl, Python, Ruby, Oz and F#). For example, programs written in C++ or Object Pascal can be purely procedural, purely object-oriented, or they can contain elements of both or other paradigms.
 
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Surprisingly I already implemented the parser and type checker to a great extent.
 
10:26 PM
Also I'm sure you know what this wikipedia page and me is saying, but you are being intentionally blind.
 
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@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Well, time to edit Wikipedia then, I guess?
 
jeeeeeeesususfuckingchrist
WIKIPEDIA SAID SO THEN IT MUST BE TRUE
Let's ignore the fact that Haskell has both Monad AND ST (which is straight-up support for imperative programming with mutable memory)
And that "OOP" as a separate paradigm in the vein of imperative/functional is retarded classification because you can do OOP in either of those
 
@CatPlusPlus lol
 
Haskell has existential qualification which makes OOP sugar even look like OOP sugar AMAZING
And Smalltalk has HOFs and anonymous functions so it can be as functional as C++
It's geared toward a specific style of writing code but it doesn't mean it's literally incapable of expressing anything from the other paradigm and guess what the same fucking thing applies to C++
 
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@CatPlusPlus what do you think of writing a VM in JS to implement green threads
 
10:30 PM
Then you are going to say that obj.method(..) is the same as method(obj, ...) and that the difference is only syntactic right?
Because you can have encapsulation in both.
Is that what you are trying to say?
 
Yes the syntax is really important for encapsulation
 
Reread that message
 
Is this also something you read on Wikipedia
 
Haskell doesn't support OOP
 
laffo this is retarded
Whatever
Have your ~~multiparadigm~~ languages
 
10:31 PM
Go on, express inheritance and base classes in Haskell
Show me
 
user1804599
objects are just tuples of functions
 
Oh yes that's the important part of OOP
 
user1804599
and inheritance isn't fundamental for OOP
 
Inheritance
 
Yes, inheritance is very fucking important part of OOP
 
10:32 PM
No
Sending messages is
That's the only fundamental thing about OOP
 
But I guess that if it's easier for you to ignore than you better do so.
 
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@CatPlusPlus erlang is the most OOP language!
 
Inheritance is at least important enough to OOP that I don't see how you can call a language OOP that doesn't support inheritance
 
It's really not that important
 
JavaScript
 
10:33 PM
It's not important because if it was then his argument would probably be shit
 
@unordered_meow huh?
 
@elyse Yes, it is. Without inheritance, you have object-based programming, not object oriented programming.
 
Only the parts that Haskell can mimic are important
 
I really don't care about Haskell
 
Ell
10:34 PM
I think inheritance is important part of OOP also
 
Now you don't care about Haskell, great, then wtf are we talking about?
 
@caps There are no classes there too
 
user1804599
Haskell is awesome.
 
But whatever I'm out
 
user1804599
10:35 PM
Scala implements type classes using OOP classes.
 
Dunno why I bothered in the first place
 
@CatPlusPlus Oh for fuck's sake, can you think for youself for 10 seconds?
 
Yeah bye
 
When I link to wiki, then it's me not thinking for myself or claiming that what's written in there is the bible. When you do, then everything is fine.
 
@CatPlusPlus Cat don't go.
 
10:37 PM
I see.
 
I'll miss you.
 
I'll leave this here as final word on "OOP" mythz.servicestack.net/blog/2013/02/27/…
 
You guys made the kitty leave :(
 
I like final words
 
I'm not going anywhere
 
10:38 PM
@CatPlusPlus Oh ok.
 
I like how some people feel entitled to have the final words in an argument
 
Anyway so this guy is messaging me about learning C++ because he saw my one and only GitHub repo.
 
tell him c++ is old news
tell him to learn swift, its the new hotness
 
@CatPlusPlus His name is Business Cat.
Added me on Skype and everything...
 
10:40 PM
creepy
 
Tell him you don't want any business with him
 
@Nooble Sounds legit
 
@unordered_meow Too late.
> currently doing super begginer stuff like hell world
Hell world is the best.
 
@Nooble Sounds my like my world.
 
10:43 PM
> Visual Studio 2013 seems to do the job currently
> why this closes immediatly?
 
@Nooble Make him contribute to Gaem then
 
@unordered_meow He can barely hello world.
He seems like a nice guy though, I added him to the call.
Apparently he's from Northern Ireland.
 
> If I don’t care about something, then my input isn’t needed, because it doesn’t affect me. If I still try to give my input, I obviously care more than I say I do.
 
@Prismatic Only on Apple platforms (so far). They promise they'll release it for other platforms soon, but at least the last time I noticed, they hadn't yet.
 
Yeah they said 'later this year'
 
I wish I were rich already
 
Why am I watching these videos
Oh, I remember the cows one
 
@CatPlusPlus Few enough people around here know your real name that you could probably get away with claiming your name was Rich, at least for a little while. Not sure why that would make you happy, but if it does you should go ahead with it.
 
10:58 PM
That doesn't save me from programming
 
Hello everyone, if you're in the mood to help a noob: stackoverflow.com/questions/31976830/…
 
P much never
 
Rude
 
@JerryCoffin He didn't capitalize it. :)
 
Oh, you're using JNI? You poor soul.
 
11:07 PM
pretty well written question, hopefully someone will come along and help you out
 
Also ugh that discussion got somewhat Barteky
Sorry @ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ (you're still wrong though)
 
also what @unordered_meow said. JNI is the devil
 
Programming is a bad topic
 
@CatPlusPlus I know I probably am.
I get the point that "paradigms" are somewhat broad terminology
And pretty much every language can be wrapped in another paradigm.
 
Do read what Kay says about OOP because he kinda invented it
 
11:11 PM
Let me finish this True Detective episode
 
Paradigms is how you write code, language just provides better or worse tools
Here's a better topic: roguelikes
 
@rlemon lol
 
@CatPlusPlus Indie developer: "Hey, how can I make a unique and creative game with lots of replay value and minimal effort? I know, I'll make it a roguelike!"
 
Good roguelikes are really not "minimal effort"
 
11:19 PM
I was getting at they are super overdone, esp by indie developers
and my impression of it is they make roguelikes because you can do lots of procedural generation stuff and say "infinite replayability!"
 
Everything is super overdone
And there are lazy games in every genre
Jul 7 at 15:39, by Cat Plus Plus
Is there a game mechanics bingo yet
 
played with the Bond serializer, not very impressed yet
 
@Jeremy got home sat down with a beer, have now update it like 5 times :D
still getting used to es6
 
> reducing the amount of code needed to make systems by a factor of 100, 1000, 10,000, or more.
eh
 
11:35 PM
 
Dynamic typing is my pet peeve
 
sorry
 
You need to do more Lisp
 
I don't know how could anyone defend dynamic typing really
 
Static typing eliminates some annoying errors but it's also overrated and not the magical thing that makes everything infinitely better as some people try to make it
 
11:46 PM
I'd comment on that, but somehow I doubt you'd take the bait this time.
 
I'd comment on that, but I enjoy writing JavaScript.
 
> I enjoy writing JavaScript
I enjoy sticking metal bars up my urethra
with lots of splinters
 

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