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12:18 AM
I wish I had kept the old flexi discs I used to get on the cover of Spectrum magazines. They might even be worth something now.
 
 
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2:44 AM
Still consternated by the near field of Rebol 3 errors. Should be able to manipulate in the way that Rebol 2 allows.
Can be baffling otherwise.
Particularly when working with non-mezz control functions.
 
 
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5:53 AM
perhaps there could be a debug build that includes more information?
 
@rgchris If you have a spec for what you want errors to do, and how you want them to behave, write it up. There's a lot of information available.
I want to see errors be more impressive, and one thing I often want to see them do is make better use of URL! for checking up on getting more info about an error.
And so if you have a reasonably readable URL for an error, and if internet is available, be able to fetch a summary and otherwise from it. throw http://my-domain.com/project/e/Too_Many_Whatevers_In_Your_Whatever
Or alternatively have it done with some kind of scheme handler. throw error://Too_Many_Whatevers_In_Your_Whatever
Something that indicates you want behavior instead of just "return this string"
Er, I meant do make error! not throw, but you get the idea, which reminds me of another point of THROW not being willing to throw errors unless you say throw/only
Then also have throw not throw blocks unless you say throw/only... and if you pass a block otherwise it evaluates it
@GrahamChiu "A simple example of a good design is the 3½-inch magnetic diskette for computers, a small circle of "floppy" magnetic material encased in hard plastic. Earlier types of floppy disks did not have this plastic case, which protects the magnetic material from abuse and damage. A sliding metal cover protects the delicate magnetic surface when the diskette is not in use and automatically opens when the diskette is inserted into the computer."
"The diskette has a square shape: there are apparently eight possible ways to insert it into the machine, only one of which is correct. What happens if I do it wrong? I try inserting the disk sideways. Ah, the designer thought of that. A little study shows that the case really isn't square: it's rectangular, so you can't insert a longer side. I try backward. The diskette goes in only part of the way."
"Small protrusions, indentations, and cutouts, prevent the diskette from being inserted backward or upside down: of the eight ways one might try to insert the diskette, only one is correct, and only that one will fit. An excellent design."
Though perhaps the best-designed things can go in any direction and still work. :-)
If the 5-1/4 had a solid center of some kind, and the write protection hole were in the middle, with 4 cutouts instead of 2...the only trick would be figuring out if it were upside-down or not. And you could delegate that to the format; an unformatted disk doesn't care which way it's in.
I've asked before but maybe someone has new thought. Is there a good name for the superclass of INTEGER!, FLOAT!, CHAR!, etc. that are not-series? ATOMIC! is bad for C++ because it conflicts std::atomic and atomic has different meaning in CS in general. But... ATOM! maybe?
I called them "Indivisibles" in Ren/C++ to remind me to come up with a better name.
 
 
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7:36 AM
VALUE! is a deceptive name for a base type in one way, but also informative in another. It reveals the truth... that UNSET! itself is a value, as is NONE!. So VALUE? is perhaps not as good as SET?
 
If you're going to get all physical, then you have photons, quarks, neutrinos etc
 
7:53 AM
@GrahamChiu I thought of something I hadn't about calling [...] BLOCK!. It sort of "Blocks" evaluation... due to being inert. And it's blocky-boxy-looking. I think it's good to call it block.
And I do very much like (...) being GROUP!. Because it doesn't block evaluation, it merely groups things.
And PATH! is nice too.
Still don't know what the superclass is. LIST! is the de-facto option, and while not optimal, I dunno what else.
I do not like ANY-BLOCK!. LIST! any day over that.
ANY-BLOCK! really mucks with the terminology inside the source, too.
"There are three kinds of lists in Rebol. The BLOCK!, the GROUP!, and the PATH!. You use the same operations to work with them structurally, but how the DO evaluator treats them is quite different..."
I wonder how valuable it would be to expose the ability to just mutate (in place) any one into the other? You used to be able to see strings as binaries and binaries as strings, but that had to go away when strings were of codepoints... not bytes.
But being able to transmute (without copying) a BLOCK! to a PATH! could be useful, and it's not something that's going away. You'll always be able to do it. I don't know if one can truly say that being able to do it is all that different from modifying its contents.
You might say "what if you're in mid-eval of a paren! (group!) and something happens to change it to a block halfway through". I don't know, mechanically, of any code that relied on the assumption that if something started out as a paren that it still is... but just that I don't know of any doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
 
 
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12:47 PM
Well, we can't really totally go by what the DO dialect does with them. They're tinkertoys, remember?
And I do have to say that PAREN! is infinitely preferable to S-EXPRESSION.
But that's not saying much, of course.
GROUP and LIST are too generic. They should be free for the user.
 
@MarkI They are free. In fact, there is a problem in terms of OBJECT! and such being turned into operations like OBJECT. You can't say object: blah blah without breaking expectations.
So just because there's GROUP! doesn't mean you couldn't have a group: blah blah
 
@HostileFork Of course, but non-alphabetics don't change that you are using the word "group", and thus leeching away at least some of its semantic freedom.
 
@MarkI "leeching away semantic freedom" should be an album title. Or maybe the band could be named "semantic freedom" and the title could be "leeching away". Or vice versa. Just as long as all four words make it on the cover.
 
Hm—how does a module (script) access its own header? SYSTEM/SCRIPT/HEADER seems to reference the calling script...
Modules are the opposite of fun :(
 
1:13 PM
@rgchris I am curious, why do you need to do that? Isn't the header supposed to be only for the caller?
Certainly a script should be prevented from changing its own header, so you are talking about read-only access in any case.
 
@MarkI Metadata, settings, many reasons.
 
@rgchris OK, but they have to be reasons that make it awkward/inappropriate to have that metadata/setting in the actual script.
 
In this instance, was just wanting to probe each script title as it was loaded. By copying probe system/script/header/title into the beginning of each module (getting some mystery errors).
 
Which I do not see ATM.
 
@MarkI Not sure what you mean?
 
1:16 PM
@rgchris Sounds like the caller's job to me ...
@rgchris I just meant if you need stuff to be accessible in the script, put it in the script, as well as or instead of the header.
 
Header seems the most appropriate place for the most part.
 
The analogy I use is that a file is not allowed to know its own name.
 
Ha! Caught that wee edit :)
 
That's what metadata is.
@rgchris Eagle-eye :)
 
@MarkI I'm not sure why that'd be beneficial—Rebol scripts have always had that (system/script/header).
Apparently just not Rebol 3 modules.
 
1:21 PM
@rgchris That's a copy of the header, but I think I know better now what you are doing.
 
Rebol [
    Title: "A Script"
    Settings: [home rebol.info]
]

settings: system/script/header/settings
browse settings/home
See also: Twitter, Etsy, S3...
 
1:39 PM
@rgchris Etsy too... eh? The formatting on these always looks great. I am still always wanting to see it fixed up... and combine needs to be join and rejoin has to die.
Being saved from rejoin is worth it to see the likes of join "OAuth" next out become join ["Oauth" next out].
I would actually say I prefer it because of seeing the boundaries.
Still don't like repend, append reduce is wordy... hrm. Grumble.
These would be great to show people who haven't programmed in Rebol before and ask them for what the impressions are, what sticks out as good/bad... they are real examples, well formatted and without distractions.
@rgchris I note you're using throw make error!... did you see that question I asked about it?
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Q: Difference between "errors/exceptions" and "throw/catch"?

HostileForkI'm a bit confused over error handling in Rebol. It has THROW and CATCH constructions: >> repeat x 10 [if x = 9 [throw "Nine!"]] ** Throw error: no catch for throw: make error! 2 >> catch [repeat x 10 [if x = 9 [throw "Nine!"]]] == "Nine!" But this throwing and catching is unrelated to the h...

 
@HostileFork Yep—Nick documented it too, and got a mention on the Etsy API page! Caveat: is for Rebol 2 but don't think it would be hard to convert—uses the same OAuth methods as Twitter which @johnk converted.
 
I was just suggesting that throw disallow errors without an /only, due to confusion.
Oh, it's Nick's didn't notice that
 
@HostileFork I wrote the script.
 
@rgchris Ah
 
One of those rare instances of collaboration :)
 
1:48 PM
etsy: either settings/sandbox [
        sandbox.openapi.etsy.com/v2
    ][
        openapi.etsy.com/v2
    ]
etsy: either settings/sandbox
    sandbox.openapi.etsy.com/v2
    openapi.etsy.com/v2
 
One for the Rebol 3 edition!
 
I think that's one of those cases where the not-needing brackets works well.
 
I agree...
 
If Rebol were more rigid elsewhere, I could understand not wanting to "take the risk", but it's about the freeform. So I hope people are leaning on DocKimbel on this one.
But yeah, really nice, it's good to see these things to remind me why we need to get it writ. World needs something of this nature and doesn't really have it... the solutions that make it some little bit of the way rely on too much other junk...
 
@HostileFork What I like about this set of scripts is that it's clear that you can ignore the portions 'below the fold' if you so wish. Just dump your credentials in the header and they're ready to go.
 
1:53 PM
Think I agree with earl that if we want to put other function attributes in the header it should be with tag. So <catch> or <transparent> or whatever.
It's a string, you look at it once at time of function creation time and extract the bit. You don't check the string each time you call.
 
That's not a bad idea...
Tags! Is there anything they can't do?
 
@rgchris Start or end with a space without construction syntax, for starters...
But yeah, I think from looking at these things stuff does really jump off the page of "what's nailing it" vs. what's left to get right.
And we do need a solution about @foo style names. There's been a lot of back and forth on it but I think I'd be willing to say any word-like-thing containing an @ in it anywhere becomes this new type.
 
The S3 script is for Rebol 3, but I see there's still a funct in there—the hazards of writing for a moving target...
 
And I think that type should be the replacement for email.
@rgchris If the world is lucky, the future will be bigger than the past...and same luck if Rebol/Red have it...so...some pain is all right.
a@b and @ab and ab@ I think should all be unified under one string type.
Status quo would be call that email!. That's not super forward-looking and of course we don't use it like that here or on twitter or elsewhere. identity! ?
I don't mind the loss of checking of valid emails at lexing time. There's going to have to be a "check for compliance with format" anyway, because what if you constructed it? Do you have to to-string it and load it and see if it failed?
(You can't mold it and load it to see if it failed, because that has to succeed with construction syntax/etc.)
Defining this identity! type more generally in terms of its lexical definition is a better idea. I say we don't call it email!, and identity! is better than handle!, and rule out AT! for among other reasons some conflict with the AT function.
If you really can just throw an @ somewhere into a word-like thing and get a string type out of it, I can imagine a lot of uses for that...whereas email! today is something I'd rarely dialect with.
 
2:08 PM
I'd be fine with identity!, would it be so bad calling it id!?
 
My immediate reaction is "too short to be a type name"...
Identity is not so bad. 8 characters. The current type name maximum, but there are many with 8
Well I hadn't been much excited over the @ type, but now I kind of am. Hm.
There's a certain balance where a type name shouldn't be short enough to compete with working set variables. It's like small words are your registers..
@rgchris What do you think about return () as convention for returning an unset, vs (let's say) return void, where void is a function returning an unset? (There will be no "exit" in definitionally scoped returning)
 
Void works.
 
The idiom of using () to make an unset is an odd one. But it is brief and noticeable, and if people are exposed to something like that it might make them think a bit more about what parens (groups!) are and how they work...how they might be used.
 
Perhaps, but return () looks like it's from JS or C.
 
I'm worried that void introduces a new weird part as trying to be too close to what you might think from C or whatever.
 
2:17 PM
Snap!
Kind of...
 
I don't know I'd ever see return () in JS or C. return void; I'd think might work in C, vs. just return, if I'd never seen C before and was guessing.
The best way to get a feel for these things is to try them, though. In any case, there won't be an exit... because definitionally scoped return is a word in the function frame. And making another one for EXIT is not happening...especially since I already didn't like exit and wanted it to be used to supply an exit code instead of QUIT/RETURN
quit: function [{...}] [exit 0]
So people are going to need something to pass to return or some way of telling it not to do anything. And I assume no one wants to switch it so return expects no value by default, and you add arity with return/value param
Although @iArnold has strange opinions so maybe I assume wrong. :-P
 
My primary usage of return is return none (at least I think it is). That'd be a good default (works with if et al), return/unset for unset and return/value for a value.
 
Well, I guess it would be drawing a line in the sand of "Rebol functions return the value at the end of a block, get used to it"
The thing I don't like is that I wind up feeling I need to tag whether the last value is intentionally being returned or not.
So if I don't put a return there, I wind up putting a comment or something. If it were very easy to put some kind of unset terminal at the end, I might think that's all right. With expression barriers I could just throw in a `\` at the end.
foo: function [...] [
    stuff stuff
    blah blah
    \
]
Or:
foo: function [...] [
    stuff stuff
    blah blah \
]
Unlike with return, a literal unset can just be returned like that. Hm, well I guess return could do it too. A variable just can't hold an unset.
It's worth a thought, but return being arity 1 by default is fairly entrenched. It is interesting to think about none being the default meaning.
But I think return none is nice enough to write, return (expression) is nice and the /value would get in the way. So the question is just how to get that unset in there if you need it. You can do it with parentheses whether we add void or not, I guess you could do it with a literal unset expression barrier... but I think that sends the wrong message of what expression barriers are for
 
2:34 PM
I would try void. If it's the best word, it'll win out.
 
Parentheses carry a "cost" of an extra series, but it's not a super big cost and we can check the lengths of parens before going into a recursive evaluator call and if it's 0 just do unset and don't make the call. So performance can be fast.
They are 2 fewer characters to type than void, and teach a language concept that might help give people a-ha moments while void is likely to wind people up in knots of what it is and questions about why they can't put unsets into variables.
It was suggested by earl, I think it deserves at least a shot to see what it looks like or what complaints might be. It won't be used super often.
And there'll always be unset!:{} or whatever that winds up being.
@rgchris I debated with @BrianH a while back about whether unset the word should be a verb or a noun, and we went through some possibilities, and void is what won in that discussion. So yes, we can add it and see. Tell people both options exist, see what they go with.
 
3:23 PM
@rgchris I wonder in your syntax highlighting if on get-words, the colon could be bold but not the word...to call it out a little more strongly?
Sigh. Hrm. I really want NewPath, but it seems that we're out of characters for representing the literal form conveniently, and that would mess up syntax highlighters as well. If we imagined email and @ not existing in their current purposes, we might imagine @http://hostilefork.com being the way you specified a literal URL!, while http://hostilefork.com would be a PATH! that (using the set-word dispatch rule in the first position) would begin building a URL! in the default evaluator.
So then in the former case it would syntax highlight to being a URL!, and in the second it would just be a tinker-toy...allowing stuff like expressions...or blocks to concatenate... http://[hostname "." TLD] or some such.
So on STRING! types in the matrix, if you hit one in path evaluation they do a combine (cough, join) whereas a paren will do an ordinary eval and give you the last thing.
People shouldn't knock NewPath until we take it for a spin.
Anyway, I guess point being that IDENTITY! might subsume URL! and EMAIL!. Then READ could just go "Oh, it starts with an @, I'll try it as a URL then" in a more organic fashion. And then you reserve the reusable tinkertoy parts as the real power tool: the thing that makes the language "OMG" instead of "Hm, they have a... different kind of string. How novel. (yawn)"
Basically I'm saying: "give NewPath the http://..., and let the different-kind-of-string take a back seat."
 
4:14 PM
@rgchris I like the tag-as-placeholder idea in the header. You might have an error if people try to run it if you detect any of those as tag? saying to configure it...
 
@HostileFork Yeah, that'd be a good next step...
 
@rgchris You saw my comments on the throw of an error?
 
@HostileFork Yep, I still throw errors (only) on Rebol 2 scripts though.
 
@rgchris What do you think of throw rejecting an error unless you use /only, and evaluating blocks unless you say /only?
 
Hm. What would throwing an error do in Rebol 3?
 
4:17 PM
Today?
>> throw make error! "It does this"
** Throw error: no catch for throw: make error! 2
 
I throw errors in Rebol 2 to manipulate the near field in said errors.
 
>> do make error! "For contrast..."
** User error: "For contrast..."
 
What would/should throwing an error mean today/tomorrow?
catch [if error? value: try [1 / 0][throw/only :value] do some other stuff and return 'this]
 
The main information I have to go on is what @earl said in that answer to my question. I guess the idea being that throwing things sends them to catches... and an "uncaught error" would just be like any other uncaught value.
The thing about a throw that no one catches isn't about what's thrown, it's about the failure to catch. Whereas DO-ing an error really means "an error happened here"
You can trap it but you aren't undoing the fact that an error was raised. Throwing an error can just be a way of moving an error around.
A value that you want to throw up to somebody who's building a table of errors. No errors happening, that's just your weird way of returning it non-locally
 
I like this: "You can therefore isolate individual blocks of code more easily as a logical unit, which, if any part of it fails, can be treated as a failure of the logical unit"
That's where near fails currently, imo.
 
4:24 PM
@rgchris If you would like to see Ren/C and its progeny do errors like you'd like, I suggest writing up a proposal. At this point, I pretty much have the codebase understood to near 100%. It's just a matter of figuring out where to take it and in what order.
Still hammering out Coherence 1.5 :-/ Unforking Atronix led to a lot of... changes. A few years of divergence to worry about.
 
@HostileFork I'd love to write a proposal, but I fear make this part work like Rebol 2 might not be specific enough :)
 
@rgchris Since I don't know how Rebol2 works then perhaps consider it an opportunity to explain "Cool things about the error workings of Rebol2, explained from a nuanced and holistic perspective of a power user"
In an article of some kind.
I know that Rebol3's user experience is kind of lame, and I know what it does to give you that lame experience.
I was not aware that Rebol2 was good, and thought it would require some thinking on what good would be.
 
Rebol 2 has some good aspects that have not (yet) been carried over. Maybe I need to write 'why I still use Rebol 2'. Which isn't to say I haven't been very slowly acclimatising to Rebol 3—especially as there's some mouth-watering features there—it's just Rebol 2 is more comfortable (it'd take an article to qualify that).
 
Expect that to change...
 
I do.
Which is why, such as today, I work through some of the nuances of 3 to get things moved over!
 
4:34 PM
I also need someone to explain the usage of the module system to me. I only understand the mechanical side of it.
 
Rebol 2 is stable (by virtue of being abandoned) and the shortcomings are known knowns. Having things like CALL and HTTPS just work helps a fair bit too. It's a shame the original Rebol 3 momentum never got as far as to include these parts, but soon!!
It is fortuitous that some of the R3/Forward stuff was in the last release of Rebol 2 as it does mean that a lot of my Rebol 2 scripts at least have been written with Rebol 3 in mind.
 
The biggest problem to my eyes is that there was a decoupling which was begun, but never actually solidified... to try and separate the core from the platform details. It wanted to have a part of the evaluator with no platform #ifdefs and that could be relinked against lots of things. So the Ren/C and Ren/C++ type goal was being sought after.
The fact that this decoupling hasn't been totally solidified means that you can't really invent a new kind of thing without going in and messing with common structures knownst to the core. So if you want to add a serial PORT!, you start finding some monolithic structure with sub-structures in a union... that's known to the core and it participates with.
Abstracting even simple things... like an I/O stream... can be extremely complex if your needs are nontrivial.
In any case, there's something of a leg to stand on, which is how I got RenCpp running initially. And I've bolstered up that leg in terms of figuring out where the "deep bugs" are and how to put things in there to stop them and keep them from coming back, and get to a point of a codebase that can be "modified with confidence"
That's all fine and well, not worried about it, already done. Just a matter of packing it up and shipping it, and trying to ensure Atronix is within a stone throw's distance of being able to use it so there's incentive.
But truly solving and decoupling the port model...having it so you can do builds where you can a-la-carte the codecs, and to get that sorted out is a puzzle. I also want to get GOB! out of the core yet make it possible for extensions to add GOB!-like things... so studying GOB! is a good starting point for that.
 
4:53 PM
If I understood the architecture, I think I'd better appreciate the scope of the tasks you're setting yourself. I certainly draw assurance from your methodology, to the extent you explain it here. You'll appreciate a modicum of apprehension (I was around—Davis—when Rebol 3 was first mooted publicly, at least as far as I'm aware), hopes there's not some show-stopper somewhere down the line...
 
@rgchris Well, you can read this little summary of a bit of how the hostkit works: Comments by @Hostilefork added to host-lib.h generator script
Those warnings are to me, as if I forget I can lose a lot of typing (and have...)
I wouldn't say there's a lot of "architecture" in it. There's a separation, almost. But not an "architecture". It's more philosophy: keep it in C, don't include more libraries than you need to, hold back. Use the tool itself to do generator scripts, don't bring in more make tools.
When I think of "architectures", I think of true separations of concerns. I will say that achieving a true separation of concerns requires defining your goals of separation, documenting them, planning, and having some metrics or checks to see if your separation goals have been met.
 
Argh, so close: the CSS :first-letter selector so nearly does it. It makes the semicolon bold, but also the first alpha character in the get-word!
 
5:10 PM
Hrmph.
 
Even as bold, the colon doesn't really show that much stronger. Could make the whole get-word bold.
 
@rgchris I don't think that's a good idea...
Maybe a darker color and bold?
Or is it already black as possible?
It could be another color, but I think it should stand out more so it can be seen.
Very high codepoint, probably not common. (and it doesn't look any fuller... turns out that's the width of the whitespace)
 
Lit-words have a purple colour, wonder if that'd work?
 
@rgchris I don't think a get-word should be a different color from word, they're functionally too close and often the same. But was thinking the colon might stand out a bit more. Or maybe the word could be italic? :-/
I guess that's comments.
Well... hm...what if the colon were purple and bold, but the word left alone?
 
5:27 PM
If I can: I have the same CSS apply to both my color-code (Rebol) and the GCP prettify (JS). Changing markup might be a bit more difficult.
 
Well don't worry about it, I was just wondering...all looks great. :-)
 
Purple bold doesn't look too bad:
 
I think bold should be reserved for "declaration" to help distinguish a declaration from a reference.
 
Or could do a lighter blue.
 
And a get word is much more like a reference than like a declaration
What does it look like though in normal black with a purple colon bold?
 
5:31 PM
 
Hm. Well the first isn't so bad. It's subtle.
It's enough to call a little attention to it.
 
There's also this:
 
I think messing with the background color is probably bad juju, and if it were used it would have to be something more important. I like the kind of pale purple accent you have up there.
 
Done.
And, of course (press 'D', 'L' to return):
 
@rgchris Very nice. (You need a visible button to switch dark/light, I didn't know it was on there...)
 
5:44 PM
I know. That and a few other things...
Like line numbers!
 
Perhaps the light can be the default for showing Rebol code and dark the default for showing Red code.
As a cue for which you're looking at.
Hm, dark theme doesn't color refinements differently?
 
Indeed—though using GCP, you could wrap dialects in classes and have infinitesimal colour schemes...
The dark scheme uses less colours, for now...
 
It's a balance...you might also consider a NONE or MINIMAL that only bolds set-words and perhaps grays or italicizes comments.
Because I can see it either way depending on mood... all the color can be a circus and distracting, or it can help.
But I pretty much always want set-words or declarations bold, that's been a thing with me to want to see the declarations called out from the references since way back.
Would it be easy to add that view?
 
Only three types are bold in either scheme: set-words, set-paths and 'Rebol (or 'Red(/System))
 
Cool. Well I meant the minimal view, would just be all black and those 3 bold, but then maybe comments gray italic (I dunno, would have to see...) as a third button to push on the views.
 
5:54 PM
Give me a sec.
 
6:21 PM
@HostileFork Added 'G' for grey.
 
@rgchris I think for readability, that one's my favorite. Also a good color scheme for code on hostilefork.com! :-)
You say I can just use that with google code prettify?
 
Should be able to.
 
Have to remember how all that javajunk was set up and where those files are!
 
Yp. If you're using <pre class="code rebol prettyprint lang-rebol"> as your tag, then:
.code.rebol {background: #eee; color: #000}
.code.rebol .punct.opn, .code.rebol .punct.clo {color: inherit;}
.code.rebol .dt-word,
.code.rebol .dt-get-word {color: #333;}
.code.rebol .dt-function,
.code.rebol .dt-native,
.code.rebol .dt-datatype,
.code.rebol .dt-bitset,
.code.rebol .dt-binary,
.code.rebol .dt-char,
.code.rebol .dt-get-word,
.code.rebol .dt-date,
.code.rebol .dt-decimal,
.code.rebol .dt-email,
.code.rebol .dt-file,
.code.rebol .dt-integer,
.code.rebol .dt-issue,
.code.rebol .dt-lit-word,
That ought to be close to it.
(this site uses GCP: scripts.rebol.info—different colour scheme again!)
 
I'm using an old version of your file it seems... hmmm. I can't just drop your css in as a replacement because I have a different document structure and need to support languages other than Rebol on the site...
Guess I'll just put it on the ever infinite task list. :-/ But it does look cool. I think that's probably how I would want to read things, because the colors are a little too distracting for me over the long run.
Thanks for making it!
 
6:36 PM
NP! Should play nice with other languages—the CSS shouldn't touch anything that isn't class="code rebol" and only changes colour/bold/italic.
And background of that block.
 
@rgchris Just in the developer tools for chrome poking...lightening up the background some looks good, #F2F2F2...and the body script going to #646464 eases up the brackets a little and that is interesting...
Wonder what would happen with tags in white on that?
Aw, illegible
Maybe some kind of shadow or outline or something would make them show up. Hrm.
 
text-shadow: 1px 0 1px black;
Maybe not.
text-shadow: 0 1px 0.5em #222;
 
Heh. It could be done, but CSS may not have the magic words...
Would look pretty neat if done right.
 
6:52 PM
text-shadow: 0 1px 1px #444, 0 0 0.6px black;
 
Closer... yup!
Ideas for the future, methinks.
 
How about:
A little darker...
 
That's nice! The shadow is a bit fuzzy-fied
Using the tags as placeholders there is really cool.
I do feel like if we pulled all these bits together into a working thing, the world will freak out. The tool they didn't know they wanted...
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But I think NewPath is part of that. Has to be in there.
Just gotta prove it...
 
7:10 PM
A little much, but fun to experiment with :)
 
I'd leave the backgrounds off the URLs
 
Yeah, bit muddy. Had them on there for actual links...
 
 
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8:34 PM
@HostileFork Would such a type be restricted to one @ symbol? What if it had two? @what-am-i@
 
@rgchris My impression/thought would be it could have more than one.
@@@ would be one, etc.
 
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Ach, forgot the bots were in training.
 

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