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1:00 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I sorta panicked when I went to the day before's exam, was waiting for the prof
 
@Ell I am not an employer. I am (hypothetically) a tutor.
 
@Ell Employers are not relevant.
 
somebody shows up at the door and he's like "are you waiting for me?"
"what do I answer"
 
Ell
oh I think I'm behind vOv
ignore me
 
"I don't know who this guy is"
I just said yeah and it turned out it was the right guy lol
 
Ell
1:01 PM
I apologise
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I suppose you wouldn't have problems to convince them about your proficiency mid-semester shall they ask for it.
If I had someone who say was already proficient with OpenGL I'd certainly encourage them to skip some of the classes
 
@BartekBanachewicz I would. In fact, I started having such problems later on.
After a while I stopped showing up to exams altogether.
 
OTOH I'd also encourage them to do a more ambitious project
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I did the same for some exams. Especially for the pointless ones where studying on a book was much better than wasting time during the lessons
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's why periodic checkups are necessary.
Being in class shouldn't be about mundane timewasting
it should be about catching and solving problems you have with your own education
 
1:02 PM
> mundane timewasting
 
I'd rather send a material with everything they need and only meet with people who had problems or questions
I'd establish a requirement for code repositories so I could see progress being made and see if any problems arise
 
no offense
but it sounds like a shit course
 
lol online courses do that
 
@AlexM. Yep.
 
which you would not if you run a prestige university
 
1:04 PM
"Here, read this and come back with questions."
 
thank god it sounds like something optional, I'd quickly replace it with something else were it real
 
oh your opinions are very welcome
 
"WTF? Fuck off."
It sounds like you're just trying to do it the way you think it works for you.
 
I mean I obviously think you're wrong.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Also drop me a check of $1.000, I'm hungry
 
1:04 PM
31 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
it's about high horse of totally unrealistic opinions about how the world should work
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes how is your opinion any better than mine?
 
"Yes, that will cover the whole semester"
 
@BartekBanachewicz What is my opinion?
 
@AlexM. I'd appreciate if you elaborated on reasons though
 
grabs the popcorns
 
1:06 PM
@Jefffrey whole semester for $1000? where is that?
 
@FlorianMargaine 1 course only though
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm trying to do it in the way that gives freedom for people to learn at their own pace and explore the knowledge, while still ensuring they leave with minimum expected from them
 
@Jefffrey ah
 
@BartekBanachewicz Some people don't want freedom.
 
@MarcoA. gotta grabs them all!
 
1:07 PM
high education/undergrads have a few aspect: 1) widening/deepening your knowledge in certain area 2) improve your ability/proficiency 3) make you a good team player
 
@BartekBanachewicz you're making it impossible for people who know how to do those things to pass without doing pointless work throughout the whole semester
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Then I'm fine with them visiting every class.
 
exam = study a week before and pass
 
@MarcoA. You always grab the popcorns. Join the fight!
 
@chmod711telkitty more than 3 not allowed. Laws of phycis #76137
 
1:07 PM
4 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
I'd rather send a material with everything they need and only meet with people who had problems or questions
 
@AlexM. I don't want to do anyone to do work that's pointless.
 
@Jefffrey you're right: Bartek you're wrong
 
So you already changed your mind about the "only meet"?
 
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Q: AccessViolationException - When calling Botan::LibraryInitializer

erotavlasI'm building a managed wrapper for Botan crypto in .NET and following the getting started instructions here Getting Started And the library reference I'm trying to execute the LibraryInitializer first, but when I call it it throws an AccessViolationException - inside my INIT() method. My cod...

 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm fine with them having questions at every class.
 
1:08 PM
@erotavlas lol
 
@BartekBanachewicz They won't necessarily have questions.
But they'll still need class to learn.
 
@AlexM. desperate :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes "What's next" is a question.
 
> ":)"
 
> Botan
 
1:08 PM
yeah you must be pretty desperate to dump a question in the middle of a warm lounge discussion
 
@AlexM. you can't get the knowledge I expect you to get in a week
 
of course
 
this reminds me of a professor who would force his students to buy his book in order to pass the exam
 
haha my logic prof was so mad when a girl brought her photocopied book to the course
LOL
 
@AlexM. that's why the exam isn't appropriate for that course vOv
 
1:09 PM
There is a good reason prestige universities run the way they run.
 
and that's why your course isn't appropriate for someone like me
 
@AlexM. exactly, in that case you were automatically given -2/30
that means -2 points also for the next exam
 
minimum standard is for crappy universities
 
@AlexM. "like you"? Why are you so special in that regard?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Er, yes, but so is "what's the time?". It's not a question that helps you assess their understanding, and it's not a question whose answer furthers their understanding.
 
1:10 PM
Do you only attend subjects that can be learnt in a week?
 
@erotavlas Your question already has a C++ tag. The people here regularly scan for interesting question in that tag. If they wanted to, they would already answer it.
 
> it's not a question whose answer furthers their understanding.
I disagree.
 
@erotavlas it's the only way they found to make the API 100% secure. Their review came in saying "just don't left anyone ever call your API functions"
> prestige universitie
 
@milleniumbug oh...
 
they the worst
 
1:11 PM
How the fuck does the answer to "what's next?" improve their understanding of what was before?
 
By inversion
 
I sure hope my doctor went to universities
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes "what's next" assumes they didn't have issues with the previous part, no?
 
@BartekBanachewicz He's not. But so aren't you (and you're totally modeling this in your image, making essentially the same mistake as those teachers you complain about).
@BartekBanachewicz No, it totally does not.
 
imagine how few students would graduate if bartek's course was mandatory
 
1:11 PM
@Jefffrey about a dozen. The first 10 never wanted to give him a degree
 
I wonder if colleges would allow for it
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes if they don't understand what was before, the question should be about what was before.
 
@BartekBanachewicz You need to grasp the fact that you're dealing with people.
 
Calculus I: we'll skip this, you're surely doing it in Calculus II
Calculus II: we'll give this for granted, you surely did it in Calculus I
Exam: I'm all about that skipped paragraph
 
@AlexM. you didn't answer my question.
 
why people downvoted my question?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I cannot place long term college projects on top of my own and my job's
I can't take them seriously either
 
@erotavlas I didn't.
 
I need the quick and rough option to pass during the last two weeks
many students need it
 
@AlexM. if you don't take my subject seriously, you fail and I'm happy with that.
 
1:13 PM
your course doesn't offer it
 
@erotavlas we can't tell. Votes are anonymous. We haev no special powers
 
yeah you're happy
 
@AlexM. that is true.
 
but when only 5% of the students graduate
your college won't be
 
@BartekBanachewicz "should".
39 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
it's about high horse of totally unrealistic opinions about how the world should work
Remember this?
 
1:13 PM
you know there's this thing where if something is too hard to pass other professors come in and coerce the mad prof to take it easier
right?
 
Bartek's style definitely doesn't sound like it will work for everyone... but higher ed isn't intended to work for the people who put in 0 effort for the first 14 weeks and still want to pass in the last 2 weeks.
 
@AlexM. actually when I was discussing that with the dean I wasn't so sure about it.
 
@AlexM. yes. they sell certification to the highest bidder, and all the work moves to other countries
 
@BartekBanachewicz That's exactly the same thing those teachers you complain about tell themselves.
 
he certainly expressed disapprobate about people not putting effort and passing
 
1:14 PM
@BartekBanachewicz alright man
make it happen
let's see if it works
what better way to prove it than with raw facts
 
lol
 
I ended my part in this discussion there
 
I don't think it's particularly hard to pass that subject. I am talking about taking it seriously.
 
I don't have anything else to add
 
26 secs ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
I don't think it's particularly hard. I am talking about taking it serioursly.
 
1:15 PM
Serious starbait there.
 
Even more lol
 
If you don't take my subject seriously, I see no reason why I should allow you to pass.
 
I have something to add: LOL
 
I don't take this semester's courses seriously and I know I'll fail on half of them lol
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes there's a difference between "not taking something seriously" and "making it annoying for people to pass"
 
1:16 PM
That jif is still loading by the way
45 minutes now
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yes, and maybe some students will tell you the same. (or just think it)
 
if someone approached me before the course and said "I won't have time for this thing because I am already studying something else", I'd be perfectly fine about discussing how the minimal knowledge I require should be applied.
 
user1804599
@fredoverflow abysmal.
 
@BartekBanachewicz No one will do that.
 
yea the only valid reason to state your lack of interest from what I've seen is having a job
 
1:18 PM
crappy students don't graduate with honours
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes People are afraid of talking to their tutors because a lot of tutors assume their subject is the most important one.
 
all of the profs I've met this session asked me "do you work somewhere?" when they saw I didn't attend
 
I don't.
I think mine hardly would be.
 
@TonyTheLion best contribution yet
 
But if you attend it, especially if you choose to attend it, I see no reason why I should give you the credit for free.
 
1:18 PM
I wouldn't tell a prof that I'm not gonna do his stuff because I'm doing another prof's stuff
 
@AlexM. I did tell that to people numerous times
but only to the reasonable ones, of course
the reasonable ones understand
the unreasonable ones fire up and shit themselves
 
You know what's painful? Finding my car in this state after leaving it parked somewhere. :(
 
@BartekBanachewicz But why do you think everyone thinks and acts the same?
 
I don't?
 
@TonyTheLion custom skin? reminds me of the usp-s road rash images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/544141213080084767/…
 
1:20 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Then why do you think your course will be different?
 
The only thing I'm sure about is that if you want to get a "Bartek approved this person's knowledge of OpenGL" badge, you have to prove it to me that you know OpenGL.
 
@AlexM. haha no custom skin.
 
@BartekBanachewicz As I told you, no one will do that, so I don't see how it helps.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Because I am planning to do it differently from the other courses?
 
@TonyTheLion at least we know the guilty has a lightish blue car. Well, with 50 traces of grey
 
1:21 PM
also you drive a BMW?
 
user1804599
> BMW
 
> BMW
 
user1804599
 
@sehe lol my car is grey
 
dayum bro tony is gangsta
 
user1804599
 
@AlexM. yes I drive a BMW
 
@TonyTheLion o.O
 
tony the BMW owner
 
user1804599
Blik met wielen.
 
@BartekBanachewicz And how is that different from the way that other teacher thinks?
 
1:21 PM
@TonyTheLion those are some nice rims
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I am very open about the way you do that.
 
Yeah, as you just said, you basically don't know how.
24 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@R.MartinhoFernandes I still have some time (namely a year I suppose) to think about that.
 
user1804599
> A man saved me from drowning, but now I am suing him for rape because he touched me.
 
sigh ... ITT bartek tries to reinvent the wheel:
 
1:22 PM
@rightfold where
@chmod711telkitty ETOOWITTY
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I said how right below
 
@sehe private parts I'd assume
 
I just have to polish up the details vOv
 
> polish up
 
user1804599
1:23 PM
@sehe /b/ lol
 
AY
 
eventually he learns that wheel is what it is because that's what works the best
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes your only complaint was "there are people and people act in weird ways"
 
@chmod711telkitty application after months of UML design phases
 
that's an amazing observation to make, but doesn't help me to set up a course in any way
 
1:25 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Yes, that's my primary complaint, because of this:
51 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
it's about high horse of totally unrealistic opinions about how the world should work
 
it's been quoted like.. 3 times by now?
and rising
 
@BartekBanachewicz If you take it into consideration, it will help you not fall into this particular pit of assuming things work in a way that they don't actually do.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes there's a difference between having unrealistic opinions and being condescending towards people who don't meet them and being able to actually change things for better
 
this reminded me
I have one regret now that I'm done with it
I should have attended the parallel programming labs
 
user1804599
omg did somebody say horse
 
1:27 PM
I see what was shitty at my uni. I see what was nice. I am going to get rid out of things I considered shitty and keep the things that were nice.
 
the prof was really nice when I met her
and it was one of the few subjects that seemed interesting
passing it was bittersweet
 
one important thing is to not be a dick to people
 
user1804599
@AlexM. you told before
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yes, and that's a very biased approach.
 
@BartekBanachewicz not everything that you considered shitty was shitty for everyone. Your opinion is not the end-all-be-all of higher education strategies.
 
1:28 PM
Well I have other opinions as well. Like @AlexM. 's
who'd like a subject he can pass in two weeks
 
me
 
or X's. Who'd like to be led by hand throughtout the whole course
 
I'd never pass things like maths if that weren't happening
 
or Y's who's a genius and doesn't need the course at all
or Z's who's basically an incompetent idiot and shouldn't be there in the first place
 
user1804599
My combustion engine exploded.
 
1:29 PM
The X's sound like the people you should actually try to teach.
 
user1804599
How many pumps do you need jesus christ.
 
user1804599
All this water.
 
Some people find certain subjects difficult, even if you don't.
 
oh I'm fine with that
 
you need to understand that some things are more important than others depending on what you're studying
 
1:30 PM
I don't mind actually telling people what to do and learn next
@AlexM. I understand that.
 
user1804599
Awesome!
 
that's why I ask you about allocating some time to do my subject.
 
I'd definitely make it harder to pass something like how rdbms's work
and very easy to pass something like fucking gauss's quadrature
 
if you can't tell me that you'll be able to put some effort into that subject then I don't see why you should take it in the first place
leave it for next year
whatever
 
1:31 PM
that thing with gauss's quadrature should be an optional not a mandatory
so silly
 
but don't waste our mutual time
 
whoever here downvoted my earlier posted question, thank you very much :) really appreciated.
3
 
user1804599
No problem!
 
you're very welcome
 
By carefully examine that list I must admit that Y is the type I resemble the most to </shameless self promotion>
 
1:32 PM
lol
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion Wrong.
 
and the downovets continue
 
user1804599
Question dumpers are never welcome.
 
we want to be thanked
 
I didn't know, now I know, no need to be hostile about it
 
1:33 PM
@AlexM. Lemme put it in perspective. This is a sorta gamedev area. The subject would be low-levle graphics. Would you make it hard to pass? Do you think you can skim over OpenGL docs over two nights and consider yourself to know OpenGL?
 
that's right keep downvoting
 
@erotavlas I can downvote too if you really appreciate it. Post the link
 
It's a complicated, annoying and for a lot of people mostly useless topic.
 
@erotavlas you really came to the wrong place complaining about downvotes
 
They're going to have fun on the Unity course alright
 
1:34 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I wouldn't choose something like that over other options
 
@BartekBanachewicz And yet, you thought just telling people to read something and come back with questions would work.
 
like this awesome course called "history of programming" where all I did to pass was answer some questions after googling, at home
you just can't beat that bartek, you can't
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well, okay, not just that.
 
They'll just tell you to fuck off.
 
I just want my degree m8 so I can stop being "programmer apprentice" in the documents
 
1:35 PM
The ones that care would pass anyway.
 
this needs a lot of examples certainly; but that's reading too
 
I don't really care about learning that much :\
 
It's the others that are hard to get.
 
@AlexM. then you're shit as a programmer for me, no offence
 
don't worry, it's mutual
 
1:36 PM
I mean, of course I am biased, should've said "mediocre" not shit.
 
you don't need history of programming anyways
 
@AlexM. whistles
 
idealistic programmers like you are the bane of projects
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e.g. see you getting fired
 
idealistic programmers like me brought you the tools, languages and technology you use, you inconsiderate asshat
 
user1804599
 
1:37 PM
lol
 
of course <3
 
@rightfold i will be forever incapable of finding sites identifed by slash paths
 
but yeah, keep telling the word about how CS is the waste of humanity's time
sigh
 
you're good for a prof tho, go for it
 
@rightfold WTF
 
1:37 PM
@AlexM. now I can't tell whether it's sarcasm or not :/
 
you're just a few steps away from what my prof did today, with the "any mistake = you fail" thing to keep your pride
 
user1804599
@sehe four chan slash b
 
@AlexM. Yes, I take pride of what I do. I don't consider it bad by any means.
 
Is there a comparer that compares all properties of two instances in .net? There is a StructuralEqualityComparer but from what I read it is just poorly named.
 
But I don't need to be shit to people to establish that FYI.
 
1:39 PM
w/e
 
user1804599
@JohanLarsson why is it poorly named?
 
> A former beauty queen was shocked as she awoke to find a portion of her head missing after having a quarter of her skull removed and then stored in her stomach for six weeks after a near-fatal fishing accident.
how does /that/ work
> fishing accident
 
@AlexM. just pointing out you're painfully insulting me without a real reason for that and despite what I'm saying all along just because my views don't align with yours.
 
@sehe Question really is, what was she trying to fish?
 
1:40 PM
@BartekBanachewicz oh dear lord. And this is all just imaginary. I can smell the superiority from here
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what.
TIL taking pride in your work is showing superiority.
I fucking.
I am at a loss of words.
 
@BartekBanachewicz "without a real reason for that" whistles "then you're shit as a programmer for me" whistles
 
> "you inconsiderate asshat"
 
@sehe this is literally the dumbest thing of you I've read here. And that's including pun misspelings.
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
1:42 PM
Stupid cat.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Take a break. Read what you said. See how it reflects
 
fuck that.
 
Bartek doesn't learn from his mistakes, because he can't see them.
 
Bartek be condescending
 
fuck that too
 
1:42 PM
That kind of blindness sorta hurts sometimes.
 
user1804599
hhahaa now I have a kitten corpse
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes and vice versa
 
Got a C++ question :-)
 
@rightfold Eat it!
 
@erotavlas I'm sorry man, but randomly posting a link here is a very bad idea. Read our rules to find out why. Also, downvotes can be coming from other people outside of this chatroom too, but the more you complain about it, the more likely it is that people from here are going to read your question and downvote it if it's not very well written.
 
1:42 PM
@BartekBanachewicz As far as I can tell, you're not a prof and you don't have your course prepared. So, yes "all of this is just imaginary".
 
@rightfold don't let xeo see this
 
@BartekBanachewicz ? "vice-versa" doesn't make sense with this message. There's no object in the sentence.
 
@sehe I was referring to what I do as a programmer in general
 
@BartekBanachewicz Icommend you for not using retarded. I concede that I mispredicted
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I came in there with very low expectations, and I was pleasantly surprised to see it's not so bad.
 
1:43 PM
I edited one use out I think
 
user1804599
@R.MartinhoFernandes why?
 
@rightfold Because...?
EAT IT
 
user1804599
No, it rot away.
 
you know what, I've changed my mind
 
Heh
I want a compose operator in c++
 
1:44 PM
@rightfold :/ You should have eaten it. Bring the wrath of your god upon you, hehehe
 
@BartekBanachewicz foul play!
 
I don't mind Alex insulting me if the only base for the insult is "being idealistic"
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hmm. Hard to say, really. There were points where I felt like they got in the way of the story. I personally just skipped the trope quotes.
 
that's insulting so many people it can hardly mean anything
 
@BartekBanachewicz go have a coffee
 
1:45 PM
OTOH.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yes, I was surprised too.
 
it begs a question whether we should tolerate such general insults here.
 
@rightfold I'm gonna do it by serializing and comparing bytes.
 
I think that part in the middle with the kids was pretty good.
 
but since nobody cares about anything here anymore, it's rhetoric
 
1:45 PM
@EtiennedeMartel I kinda like how the "Smash Cut" quote ruins the actual smash cut.
 
I didn't expect it.
 
user1804599
@R.MartinhoFernandes No. I hate gods.
 
@TonyTheLion make that a camomille tea
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes there's the implication
 
user1804599
@JohanLarsson ok
 
1:46 PM
@sehe yea that's a better idea :)
 
god I so regret I did enter this shitty industry now
 
@BartekBanachewicz You mean that pain makes you blind?
 
more and more every day
 
Well, yes, sometimes.
 
user1804599
oh shit a bat :(
 
1:46 PM
@BartekBanachewicz no you don't. You regret how you handled yourself today.
 
@rightfold Did you go batshit crazy?
 
@rightfold EAT IT
 
lol
 
@sehe yeah well I regret how I react to bullshit. What now? Is it me at fault for reaction, or is the bullshit at fault for being there?
 
If you eat a bat, you get batty. No joke. Well, joke. But serious too.
 
1:47 PM
Maybe I'm not made to deal with bullshit on a daily basis
 
That reminds me of that "Wat" famous talk.
 
which, as everyone agrees I am sure, makes you unsuitable for being a programmer
 
lol I was wondering if there's a clamp in std but then boost came to the rescue <boost/algorithm/clamp.hpp>
is there anything that's not in boost
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Eating a bat? That sounds painful.
 
a lot of people would say that it also makes you unsuitable for being a human being
 
1:48 PM
the library is crazy
 
@BartekBanachewicz Why assign blame? I was just mildly suggeting something else than "the industry" was causing your distress
 
Especially the wooden bats. Those hit harder for some reason.
 
I think aluminium has potency
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
is this dwarf fortress
 
1:50 PM
@BartekBanachewicz My honest answer is that the bullshit is not at fault. This kind of reaction from you happens all the time and you seem to understand it is an issue, but you don't learn from it.
 
Xeo
@AlexM. It's a collection of libraries
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's not so much about you being at fault, but more about you being the one with the ability to do something about those reactions.
 
In short, I wanted to make a reasonably demanding course, and got told by alex that it'd be shit and implied I'd be a shit tutor because he can't pass it in two weeks. Then I said I take pride in what I do, and got called condescending by tony. Then I said I have a particular idea for the course, to which robot responded that I'm blind on human differences.
And then when I got fed up with all of that, sehe commented on how I can't cope with, well, all of that.
Lounge drama TLDR.
I'm tired. I just wanted to teach people things and be happy about that.
 
@Xeo and some of those libraries are more like library building kits :)
 
@BartekBanachewicz And now you're dismissing the whole episode :(
 
1:53 PM
42 secs ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
I'm tired. I just wanted to teach people things and be happy about that.
 
Hmm
the docs says I should return a string as a char**
p sure the docs are wrong
 
I guess they want to modify the string.
 
fuck these shit docs
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm dismissing it because it became an episode about my deficiences again instead of a level discussion
 
What for? it's meant to be send to the client
 
1:55 PM
I don't know
 
user1804599
Nice, highscore.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well. It just happens that it is not easy to do that.
 
I didn't say it was.
 
You reacted badly when people tried to tell you it wasn't.
 
I reacted badly when people pushed that on me instead of what I was saying again.
 
1:57 PM
Doesn't that happen a lot?
 
it does. Is it my fault?
20 mins ago, by Alex M.
e.g. see you getting fired
I am pointing out, for the second time already, I'm tired with that. A lot.
I took a break from the lounge once precisely because of that.
 
Did you learn anything while you were away?
 
I learn something every day vOv. I calmed down.
 
That's not what I meant.
 
Xeo
He learned that he was fired.
 

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