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7:03 AM
It's extremely frustrating to use move-only types with VS because it reports the usage of deleted functions in completely unrelated places
_TRY_BEGIN

for (; _First != _Last; ++_First)
    emplace_back(*_First);

_CATCH_ALL
_Tidy();
_RERAISE;
_CATCH_END
 
>using VS
@MomotapaLimpopo nice
VC++ stdlib?
 
still more readable than libstdc++
 
I don't understand why such heavy use of macros though
> #if _HAS_EXCEPTIONS
ah, ok
 
yeah was gonna say
 
7:08 AM
TIL you can disable exceptions in VC++'s stdlib
 
it's in case you get std::runtime_error while someone is dying
 
I fly to London June 10th, fly back the 16th :D
accomodation next
 
Is it allowed for std::experimental::optional<T> to define a specialization when T is a pointer type that does not store a bool to determine if the object is valid, but checks whether the pointer is null?
(Yeah I could look it up myself)
 
I don't see why not...
 
idgi
just use a non-owning pointer instead
 
7:14 AM
@MomotapaLimpopo No. nullptr is a valid value that can be contained.
if I’m getting your question right
 
zats what I thought!
 
just use std::pair<bool, T*> :D
 
Rust does not have null references so Option<&T> is in fact optimised for that exact situation.
 
Rust <3
 
Rust doesn't have my dinner either.
 
7:19 AM
I just realized why JS and other shitty languages are popular
 
@Rapptz what's C++ doing with your dinner!?
 
@MomotapaLimpopo why?
 
@khajvah Because you don't need to think much nor understand much. IOW, they are very accessible, so they can reach a broader audience.
i'm such an analysis genius
 
@khajvah They don't have null references.
 
there is technically no such thing as "null reference"
 
@LucDanton noice
 
how many sigils are in that snippet (ง ͠° ͟ل͜ ͡°)ง
 
ooo there’s assert_eq!.
 
A lot ( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡°)
 
@ScarletAmaranth section 6.5 dude
(did he fall for it?)
 
7:24 AM
@Rapptz 38
 
What's &[type; number] mean
 
Xeo
reference to array of type with size number
 
A wild Xeo appears
 
Xeo
hai
 
I didn't know you spoke Rustlang
 
Xeo
7:25 AM
I don't really. Just read a bit about it
 
It's a plague
 
Xeo
Has some interesting stuff, but apart from reading, I haven't played around with it at all
 
@xeo did you say you actually booked those dates?
 
I should have sprinkled some lifetimes in there.
 
web development is interesting sometimes.
 
7:25 AM
shoulda added more sigils
3/10 not enough sigils
 
Xeo
@thecoshman Not yet. I also need to find a new place to sleep, since Tony said he might even be out of London at that time
 
@Xeo double bummer
I just booked 10th-16th
 
time to debug this infinite recursion
 
Xeo
Also, I wanted to try and match my travel times with @Stacked, who still hasn't replied to my original message directed at him
 
going to see about meeting up with an aunt
 
7:28 AM
@Rapptz Take your time.
;)
@thecoshman June?
 
@Rapptz add a counter, and break when it reaches a certain level :P
@MarkGarcia yeah...
 
> error: unstable feature
no experimental stuff in the playpen? :(
Dang, I could have written a program with return box move in it.
 
how come GDB doesn't like auto&& variables
(gdb) print digits
$4 = <unknown type in D:\GitHub\decimal\sscce.exe, CU 0x0, DIE 0x17786>
 
mmh are you sure that’s it? I’ve had death threats before, too, but I never made the connection to auto&&.
 
7:39 AM
@LucDanton I've only noticed them on auto&& variables.
 
I guess I don’t really use auto&& inside tests.
I’ll try and pay attention in the future.
 
@LucDanton It's rarely seen, only for experts
 
lol
 
(source in case you don't get it)
 
it originally came from Herb actually
not STL
 
7:43 AM
@MomotapaLimpopo You have a saved frame for this?
 
Stacked did
 
Dare I even ask as to why for(auto e: r) is 'bad'?
 
copies
 
@Rapptz And?
 
that's it
 
7:46 AM
The dissonance with the just following auto a = stuff; // Double plus good is astonishing.
 
it's not that black and white
the context was iterating with for(auto e : r)
 
decltype(auto) a = stuff; // experts only
 
so you're making a copy for every element which is "bad"
auto a = stuff; isn't making that many copies, it's making one.
 
@Rapptz Is it?
 
@LucDanton I am explaining STL's POV.
 
7:47 AM
@Rapptz The right or the left? Har har // not funny
 
Xeo
People getting copies when they think they don't or something
 
@Rapptz That doesn’t put it beyond scrutiny. (I am not shooting you.)
 
Yeah he says this trips up beginners quite often.
 
pew pew
 
Xeo
wep wep
 
7:48 AM
Making the loop less efficient than it should be etc.
 
Xeo
eh, more a correctness problem
 
yeah there's also that
 
Anyone here have experience with vector image files?
 
with pairs and stuff
I get where he's coming from
holy hell deja vu
 
By all means have for(auto e: r) // Uh oh or // what you wanted?. But knee-jerk // GOOD, // BAD, // FIRE AND BRIMSTONE is so cargo-cultish :(
 
7:50 AM
the slide is taken out of context
I watched the talk
 
Is that your new favourite expression
 
meh fuck debugging
 
@Rapptz Do you know much about vector image files?
 
What about you @MomotapaLimpopo?
 
7:53 AM
I have developed several complex system using vector image files, yes
 
Haha nice
Okay so i'm getting someone to make me a logo, but I can also ask for an Ai file, EPS or SVG
Which one should I go for?
 
Xeo
Here's a warning: Don't randomly ping people that are talking but ignoring your question.
 
@Mohammad It depends, what CPU and OS are you using?
 
Xeo
and you stop egging him on
 
@MomotapaLimpopo Windows, does CPU matter?
@Xeo My bad.
 
7:55 AM
lol dat ping
 
Xeo you are not a vector image file expert last time I checked so please stay out of this
@Mohammad Yes, it does although it's not critical
 
Xeo
I'm an expert troll researcher, though.
And I see that this one needs to be put down.
 
@MomotapaLimpopo Well my CPU is hyperthreaded if that helps
 
Ah, good, this means you can use Ai
I'd definitely recommend going for Ai with a hyperthreaded CPU. Besides it's more fault-resilient and scalable than the other two.
 
Xeo
welp, time for some shopping.
 
7:57 AM
I have developed a collection of crashes, buffer overflows and stupid errors to insert in your code. If you're interested please contact me, I'm giving them away for free.
7
 
(Most industry experts agree on that)
 
I'll never be as bored as momo
makes me feel good
 
Xeo
Peachy little troll.
 
How did I misspell industry 4 times in a row
 
@MarcoA. What licence is it under though?
 
7:58 AM
@MomotapaLimpopo No, x86 doesn't work well with Ai
 
x86 is not hyperthreaded
 
There are compatibility issues you know
 
@MomotapaLimpopo Uganda privilege
 
@Rapptz I'm working
 

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