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i truly think this is a masterpiece though :))))) youtube.com/watch?v=DXHaCEhOiWU
 
I swear to god
 
whenever I see ":))" or ":)))" or even more )s
I think "oh this guy's a romanian"
and fuck me sideways, I'm always right
 
Canadian.
 
2:03 AM
dig further
he's Romanian
it's like the rest of the planet never used yahoo messenger or sth
I helps
 
romanian at birth
what's wrong with it though?
 
@vsoftco is romanian?
 
de ce crezi ca-i ceva in neregula?
 
better than
Massachutes-it :_
like my buddy Peter
 
what's your real name, @vsoftco?
and is your buddy Peter romanian?
tell me @vsoftco. this means a lot to me.
 
2:06 AM
if you think my last name is "Griffin" then yes
 
please, @vsoftco
 
@AlexM. Who is this Vlad
 
you can see it on my web page
 
Putin
 
if you really want
and are super anxious
 
2:06 AM
@vsoftco Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
 
Vlad??
ok, so is your buddy Peter romanian?
 
no, dracula for you :))
 
Tell me, @vsoftco. Is Peter romanian?
 
@vsoftco Oh gee it's a QC person
Is it real yet?
 
@Cinch yes
 
2:08 AM
peter is as Romanian as Stewie's plans for world domination are Romanian (and not Russian)
 
Yo @AndyProwl
It might even work
 
I have no idea what's going on in this thread anymore
 
every romanian person i used to know were "Alex"
you and Peter crushed it
i feel nothing special for romania any more
 
ha ha
 
@vsoftco I am very interested in Quantum Computing and was wondering how an undergraduate might get involved
My university doesn't do QC as far as I know
 
2:10 AM
@CatPlusPlus It doesn't move for me
 
1) be smart
2) make a quantum computer
 
Did you press butan
 
3) do stuff with/to it
 
it works for me
 
@CatPlusPlus What does Bhutan have to do with anything?
 
2:10 AM
@Cinch, dream a lot, then study a lot, then be disappointed a lot, then you can see what the future is
 
@AndyProwl worked for me, press arrow keys
 
@CatPlusPlus I used the defaults and ASWD
 
Chrome is broken clearly
 
Ah
That must be it then
 
@vsoftco Um...
Is it even viable?
 
2:11 AM
let's try IE
(I don't have Firefox)
 
@AndyProwl WASD
 
@CatPlusPlus wow such graphics
10/10
 
Doesn't move on IE either but you rock anyway
 
It's jabbascript key handling
 
I trust @Borg
 
2:13 AM
Works on Firefox
Get Firefox
 
@Cinch what? quantum computation? not yet, but it will be.
 
Or fix it for me, I'm going to sleep
 
I will probably do neither but thank you for that
 
@vsoftco yes
I'm doing Quantum Physics next semester but I'm still unsure how it's even important
Like what does a qubit do better with superpositioning?
 
@vsoftco you can hover with the mouse on the message you want to reply to
click on the arrow that appears
and reply to it
 
2:14 AM
And how does entanglement really change anything besides keys
 
advantage: your message will be linked to that particular message
 
Jul 6 '14 at 18:58, by Borgleader
@AaronKyleKilleen Public service announcement
 
@AlexM. thanks, will try it, I'm using this chat 'cause I'm f..k bored now
 
and you won't be answering with "what? quantum computation?" to "use WASD"
 
Hopefully I can implement Pong tomorrow
 
2:16 AM
Pong!
That's what i should do
to figure out this networking shit
 
@Blob Duh.
 
for UE
 
@Blob Unreal Engine?
 
yea
 
You're on Unreal already?
 
2:17 AM
wtf
 
My god I'm not even going to touch a 3D engine until I touch OpenGL/Vulkan
 
chat won't let me say "yea" twice
 
@Cinch it is important, mostly because quantum states are different from classical probabilistic states. In particular, amplitudes in quantum physics add as complex numbers (instead of positive real number in classical physics), so at the end of some quantum algorithm the probability of a correct answer can add up to more than the sum of positive numbers due to interference of complex numbers.
 
meh. it's not the same thing
 
@vsoftco iti tre niste bere atm
si muzica
 
2:18 AM
@vsoftco Sorry; amplitudes of what exactly?
 
crek esti foarte plictisit intr-adevar
 
english please
google translate is crap
 
@Blob stop being 'murica
 
> you must some beer atm
> crek're very bored indeed
 
:))
 
2:20 AM
@Blob あなたのアメリカ中心の世界観恥を知れ、異教徒。
@Blob 私はセイウチくるみ割り午前。
 
> I walrus nutcracker morning
the fuck
 
@Blob yes
 
@Cinch the probability of some composite (multi-event) in quantum mechanics is computed as the absolute value square of $n$ complex numbers. Summing them all can give some zero-probability events (destructive interference), so your algorithm picks up the "right" result because the wrong ones are not possible. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probability_amplitude
 
@vsoftco this sounds totally cool because i have no idea what you're saying.
 
how rich must you be to have complex number $$$
 
2:25 AM
He's talking about reality for some reason
 
@vsoftco So if I got that right, we can rule out a combination of states because quantum mechanics causes the probability of some state being true will be 0?
 
@AlexM. but the $$$ isn't real
 
@Cinch yes, indeed
 
State being observed you mean
 
@Blob check this out if you want to have some simple idea about what's up youtube.com/watch?v=wWZyLGEqgio
 
2:27 AM
@vsoftco will do. in like ~5-10 mins, though
 
What
Probability in physics
Who knew
 
Quantum physics is an intrinsic probability theory. If you try to describe is with some "hidden" variables that take care of "flipping coins", you'll fail. This is what Einstein never realized, and was against, however John Bell proved true (see Bell's inequalities en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell%27s_theorem), unfortunately after Einstein's death.
 
i still don't "believe" it.
 
And probabilities in physics were used long time before quantum mechanics, in statistical physics (when you compute the so called partition function)
 
i agree (for lack of a better word) it's true but can't get it through myself
 
2:34 AM
@Blob, you need to spend a bit of time thinking about these problems, then you can truly say if you believe them or not.
 
Hmm...
What do you mean by flipping a coin and hidden variables?
 
@Blob I spend my last 10 years thinking about this, and I'm pretty darn sure q. physics is correct.
 
@Cinch read the wiki
 
@Cinch see this video, I think it's pretty clear: youtube.com/watch?v=qd-tKr0LJTM
 
By flipping coins he means by applying just probability theory alone; and by hidden variables he means a classical explanation that QM simply approximates
I think
 
2:37 AM
@Cinch, basically I mean do an experiment with 2 persons, each of them having a coin
both persons are able to flip their coins
than, you can imagine some experiment, in which you count the number of how may head coins a person measured vs hoe many tails the other did
then, I can come up with a quantum experiment, in which I show that my number is always "larger" than what you did with your US penny coins (or Canadian) :)
that's the basic idea
 
Now I have no clue what he's describing
 
I dont either
 
I'm guessing he's trying to explain Bell's theorem, but 95% of his analogy is in his head
 
I agree, it's not some easy thing to describe.
 
I'm almost done with the video
 
2:41 AM
So far I just see a count of coin toss outcomes two people have and a proposition you can get a bigger count, with no way of comparing them or relating them to anything
 
If you can get your hands on "Nielsen and Chuang quantum computation and information" book, check Sec. 2.6
where it is explained.
The idea is this: you describe one observer by a random variable X
another observer by another random variable Y
then you take some combinations of X and Y
 
@Nooble soo
how's the GTX going?
 
like Average(X1Y1 + X1Y2 + X2Y1 - X2Y2)
sorry, both A and B have 2 random variables, X1, Y1 (for A) and X2, Y2 (for B)
then you see how big this quantity can be
 
is anyone in this room smart enough to understand this?
aside from vsoftco
 
it turns out that whenever X1 Y1 X2 Y2 are between -1 and 1, the maximum value is 2
 
2:45 AM
I don't know... I don't think at this point it's a matter of smarts, but of clarity
 
@AlexM. @JerryCoffin probably
 
however, if you use a quantum state and measure the corresponding local observables, you can get 2sqrt(2), so larger that 2, that's all it is.
 
I wonder if we'll be able to build a 1:1 voxel copy of our planet and run a simulation at a huge framerate
with quantum computers
 
it's not something complicated, can be understood by a high-school kid, problem is that is being explained in a very complicated and fancy manner
 
ok i'm at ~9:50 into the vid
he mentions the many world thing
where every possible thing is observed
but the graph is continuous, i assume
how would that work?
 
2:47 AM
one idea is that our world is just a simulation, since whenever we "look" at something we "collapse" the result, like in a video game
when we don't look, nothing happens
but this is already philosophy
 
what's "we"?
 
C++ is still very deterministic (excepting countless of compiler bugs)
 
I just want to know if I can shoot people in a virtual earth at 144+ FPS
 
@AlexM. sorry, your eyes can only see at 30 fps
 
@AlexM. try it first :)
 
2:48 AM
I don't wanna collapse anything or look anywhere
 
You lost me at the variables
 
Ok I promise I'll try to write a blog post about Bell's inequality
it can be done without any knowledge of physics shit etc.
 
have you considered talking about these things on physics.se?
 
Okay done
The alternate universe thing is interesting
 
@AlexM. no, I don't have time for that
 
2:51 AM
But the first foregone conclusion seems more logical
 
@vsoftco no I meant
in their chatroom
like, where you'd have a proper audience
 
i don't get how the many world thing would work
 
I have enough work to do in my field. I'm writing on C++ since I like programming and try to use C++ in some software I'm writing.
 
there's an uncountably infinite number of possible "measurements" if i'm to trust that graph
 
@Blob because when you measure something the probability is turned into a discrete measurement
And yes there are infinite measurements
 
2:52 AM
@AlexM. for some reason, every time I enter this chat room, people start bothering me with "quantum" shit :))
 
@Cinch but if the many worlds thing is true, then there's an uncountably infinite number of "splits"
 
@Blob so?
 
it's not just infinite
 
That's how the world is
 
it's uncountably infinite
 
2:53 AM
@AlexM. I know about it as "I have a very particular set of skills", but didn't come here to talk about it
 
urrrghhhggh
 
But it is. As far as we can tell
by the way
 
@vsoftco how often do you enter this chatroom?
 
like once per month
 
@Cinch what is?
 
2:53 AM
this is the first time I see you in my 1.5+ years since I started visiting
 
C Calculus itself relies on infinitesimals
And that definitely works
 
but I am not participating in discussion always
 
The way MWI works is simply that there's only one reality, but it's quantum mechanical (collapse doesn't occur--you just have the wave function); what we see as classical is really a portion of that reality that interacts in particular ways, and this appears to create multiple classical worlds
 
i can't comprehend it splitting into discrete measurements given a continuous "line"
there's too damn many of them for that to be possible D:
 
Why can't we just say probability doesn't exist
 
2:55 AM
why would we say that?
 
@Blob that's how calculus works bub
 
@Blob, ok this is my last comment on q.m. here: many worlds by Everett implies continuous splitting of the world line
 
Because a random system should be able to be decomposed into a multi variable system
 
so at each instant you have uncountable many universes (each corresponding to the basis in which you measured).
 
;_;
fuck this world
 
2:56 AM
the set of incompatible bases is uncountable, so that's the end of it.
 
Think of Schrodinger's cat in a box... if a lump of material decays, the cat dies; if not, the cat's alive. We outside, however, see two possibilities because the cat doesn't quite "die" or "live", since the material didn't quite "decay" or "not"--but under MWI both happen, and we're looking at two worlds mixed together. When you open the box you mix with these worlds just as the cat did with the material, and thus "one" of you sees a live cat and "the other" a dead one.
 
yes, but this is just some interpretation, without any reasonable way of testing it.
 
Schrodingers cat is a bad example
 
@HWalters this is different, you still have discrete events here, but cannot make sense of them, since you're trying to describe so called "incompatible" properties of a system.
 
it makes no sense
 
2:58 AM
like talking about the position and momentum of a particle at the same time
it's really the same
 
The mix here is quantum... you really can't say it's one versus the other.
 
no, the question itself is badly posed.
 
The one "reality" in MWI is the universal wave function
 
@HWalters those are discrete events and i have no problem imagining that. however, if the cat is on a continuous scale from "dead" to "not dead", my intuition says it'd be impossible for there to be worlds satisfying every discrete possibility in the continuum
 
Asking if A = B when A = B is not the same as B = A makes no sense
and that's what happens here
since observables in QM are matrices, and AB is not the same as BA, unless the matrices commute
it has nothing to do with the cat being discrete or continuous
 
3:00 AM
4 mins ago, by Blob
fuck this world
 
Blob: But you're still treating the cat's being alive and being dead as the underlying reality here. They aren't in MWI--they're just what you describe classically. The underlying reality is that there's a wave function with both of those states mixed together in it.
 
you guys should take a break from this, take a look at this quantum.phys.cmu.edu/CQT, then figure out what's up
the main issue is because quantum theory is an operator-based theory, vs classical physics, in which observables are scalars
 
@HWalters Hm....
Yes but how would you determine the wave function
 
@Cinch 42. it's 42.
 
or, if you are a math prodigy, q.m. is L2 norm, vs classical physics in which you have L1 norm
@Blob and yes, 42 is always the answer
 
3:03 AM
L2 sounds like a game
 
L2 sounds like a cache
 
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus I am not very good at snake...
 
The wave function itself is determined by... What?
Measurements?
Measurements that are again more collapses
 
the only real answer is to go back to what you were doing and pretend this conversation never happened
 
Don't know what you mean by determine... do you mean figure out what the wave function is?
 
3:05 AM
Yes
 
i'll go try to make pong in UE and fail
 
Or are you asking how it evolves?
 
Also doesn't this imply that things can indeed fail even if they're considered true?
 
@Cinch wtf are you talking about
 
I.e. suddenly calculus doesn't work for a day
There should be a universe or case such that that is true
like, math itself FAILS
 
3:06 AM
then there'd have to be a universe where quantum mechanics doesn't hold
so let's not go there
 
We can determine some properties of the wave function by observing... just as we ordinarily do (indirectly, but we observe that there's an underlying mechanics here).
 
Why can't we say that the universe is simply actually there and imprecision is the culprit of the supposed wave state?
I.e. is randomness a fact of nature or false?
 
@Cinch i think that's what en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_test_experiments addresses
 
Cinch: Because the wave state specifically behaves differently than a classical state simply being approximated due to inexact knowledge
 
it's nothing more different than this: you bet your salary on 32 on roulette, you lose in 31 worlds, and you may kill yourself, but in the 33rd world you're happy. Laws of physics are still ok, in the last world you may bet again.
 
3:10 AM
or many-worlds is a lie and you're dead, your family's starving, and everyone thinks of you as a gambling idiot who killed his family
and if it's true, you're 31x as bad :D
 
yeah, that's why I said that many worlds imo is bullshit, there is no way of testing it.
 
Well each splitting of "you" "isn't" you :)
"You" are only one such splitting--the one I'm talking to
 
fine, me1 through me31 killed his family like a fucking idiot
me32 is enjoying his life
 
What we know for sure though is that classical physics is not enough to explain quantum effects. One practical example: quantum cryptography (used by Swiss government in 2008 elections).
 
i don't like those odds
 
3:12 AM
Sure hope "you" are you32
 
ok, hope you guys have fun, bye for now
 
cya
 
Bye Vlad
 
so I heard password length is better than complexity
I made my steam password 48 chars long
 
@AlexM. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?
 
user3010322
3:16 AM
A complex 6-character password is still only 6 characters.
 
"Complexity"
 
nah
 
given 48 characters, it's the first thing someone would try c:
 
@ThePhD +1
 
it's a mumbojumbo of stuff that I can remember
 
3:17 AM
As long as you can remember it and it has lots of "entropy" it's good
 
if he can remember it, it's probably composed of words
with some non-alphabetical characters, possibly
 
it also has numbers thrown in for fun
 
OmgRomanianWomenAreSoHot!!1!!
?
or do you like the poles?
 
I was wondering why you were plonked up until this evening
now it's starting to come back to me
 
lol
 
3:19 AM
@Blob ...
 
back you go, ain't gonna question my past self today
 
@AlexM. Give him a chance
 
I cannot, I must shower and go to bed
 
Inb4 plonk Cinch
 
nah you're ok
if I plonk you, I can't stalk you
 
3:23 AM
Stalk me all you like
I'll be waiting <3
(Not really)
 
how the hell do i allow multiple objects to be controlled by user
everything related to anything i want uses fucking blueprints instead of C++
 
@Blob what are you yapping about
 
"Blueprint" is some shit UE made to let non-programmers make games. they pushed it really hard and now i can't find anything using C++
they even have better docs for blueprint crap than c++ crap
 
Oh
Qq cannot post pictures on mobile
 
4:31 AM
Cool. Nobody's here.
I can post movies.
 
@StackedCrooked I object your honor. I am a somebody. Maybe not anybody important, but still not a complete nobody either!
 
Dammit. Good time is over.
 
I'm somebody too.
 
Jerry's here.
O God not Jefffrey.
@Jefffrey :)
 
:C
 
4:39 AM
@Jefffrey Phd could do this kind of smiley that looked like an angry punk.
Only 3 characters but I can't rember.
D:<
^ This one I think.
 
lol
hello grandpa
That song is one year older than me.
It's a chic song.
 
@StackedCrooked Not yet. My kids aren't nearly that old yet (though there are certainly people younger than me who are grandparents).
 
Heh.
My younger sister and brother have kids and I don't even have a girlfriend.
I don't even feel bad.
Kids are very noisy.
 
4:45 AM
Why no girlfriend?
 
Dunno.
 
sharing is caring, don't hate me, kz?
 
@chmod711telkitty Needs a "NSFL" warning.
 
youtube says otherwise ...
no age limit on that video
 
@chmod711telkitty Not a matter of age. Not safe regardless of age.
 
4:47 AM
Fat people are is her fetish.
Not sure about my grammar.
 
@StackedCrooked "are" was fine.
 
Ah.
I should stop second guessing myself.
 
so quiet ... so you are all busy watching that video? ^_^
 
@chmod711telkitty this one
I'm not aware of any new work.
I haven't been checking out new music for a while though.
hehe
Oh, Kendrick Lamar has a new album.
same
 
I have also spent last night watching some k2/everest mountaineering videos
 
5:00 AM
You are a mystery to me kitty
 
was day dreaming design my own drones, super light warm clothes to help me climbing everest
 
Sufjan Stevens also has a new album. metacritic.com/music/carrie-lowell/sufjan-stevens
Lol, Bjork too.
 
but problem with drone on everest is the air
air is too thin
so need to alter the design to use ... maybe solar?
 
5:22 AM
Even Madonna has a new album :)
 
5:51 AM
I wonder whether Madonna is still going to post naked in her 70's
 

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