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6:01 PM
No takers, then?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit If you did care about understanding the workings of the site, the slightest bit of research would have let you to your answer in minutes... seriously, it's not that hard. — Doorknob 冰 7 mins ago
yawn
 
Hello, is this the correct place to ask about C++/cli syntax?
 
where would I find that? I did a search for C++/cli and didn't find any rooms
 
@ginkner yes, go ahead
 
There aren't any, I guess. There doesn't have to be one. The Questions part of the site has a tag.
 
6:03 PM
don't read the rules anyway, they are boring
so, how can I help you, my master?
 
@Jefffrey dude, I'm just trying to figure out WHERE to ask. If you're annoyed with that, a simple "no" will suffice.
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> In our experiments, we discovered a real user trace where an install attempt for OCaml using apt-get caused 61 packages to be removed, including the Linux kernel.
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lol
 
OCaml is literally Hitler.
 
@Jefffrey
 
Or is that apt-get?
 
6:05 PM
Yes
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I thought it was Ubuntu :P
 
I'm researching dependency solvers
 
Won't disagree.
 
@ginkner I love Portal too. Portal 2 is just a masterpiece IMHO.
 
@Jefffrey I gree
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6:06 PM
I blue
 
agree. Damn sticky keyboard
 
Debugosity
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes HEY YOU STOLE THAT
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes chill bro. Rules say I should be a "regular", I'll hang out for a while.
 
6:07 PM
DO THE RETRIBUTION THINGY OR ELSE!
 
JULIE, DO THE THING
 
Mark this date in your calendars. Somebody read the fucking rules!!!!
 
they ARE pretty verbose and boring
 
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Q: What should I do when I see an answer posted as a comment?

JefffreySo recently I've noticed a slight tendency to post answers in comments, for whatever reason. It often really pisses me off. You have a perfectly valid answer but instead you are posting it as a comment, why? Actually, don't answer that, it's irrelevant. So, back to the point. Today I snapped an...

 
@ginkner Just like C++ :P
 
6:08 PM
@Borgleader I don't believe it. It's some regular sockpuppet.
 
Can we get this closed and deleted?
 
@ginkner FWIW, C++/CLI is just not the thing to ask here. I doubt many people here actually know much about it, and the few that do don't really like it.
 
Now is someone would make a pretty HTML for the rules
Things you need to know about C++/CLI: 1. dont
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's fine. It seems like even microsoft forgot to document some of the syntax.
@CatPlusPlus why? It lets you interop from the C++ side of things rather than having to P/Invoke every damn function you want
 
@Jefffrey It has answers. Not sure if it can be deleted but, I'll lend a hand with the close-voting.
 
6:11 PM
2. dont
 
again, why? I'm perfectly willing to hear out your reasoning, if you have any.
 
3. dont
 
@ginkner 1. It uses Microsoft C++ compiler, therefore it's not C++
 
@milleniumbug
dam..
 
6:14 PM
(as for why Microsoft C++ compiler sucks, ask Robot, or, for that matter, anyone in this room)
 
It's never been C++ or intended to be C++
It's a fork
 
@milleniumbug No, don't ask me.
 
@milleniumbug lol yes. I can see that. Ive always found their compiler....lacking...
 
I'm doing just fine by spending the day nursing a Debian installation.
No Microsoft C++ compiler for me. Best way to start the year at work.
 
@ginkner No need to hold back in here. If you mean 'bug-ridden' you can say it.
 
6:16 PM
lol. It's more the conformance level is disappointing. Haven't really done enough with it to call it bug-ridden and know what I'm talking about.
 
@Jefffrey lol "RETRIBUTION"
 
Yay, I got a hypothetical +1.
 
You're hypothetically welcome
 
woo!
 
@ginkner It sucks because: lacking C++11/C++14 features, doesn't use two-phase lookup, as required by C++ standard, emits bogus warnings, and it crashes really often (I managed to make it crash twice, but I'm not doing much, so it counts as "often" here)
 
6:19 PM
That's still irrelevant for C++/CLI
 
@milleniumbug Pfff, twice.
Amateurs.
 
@milleniumbug I don't really even know what two-phase lookup is. I'll just take your word for it. Though I have run into weird warnings before.
 
As for C++/CLI, meh. It essentially joins the disadvantages from both environments.
 
Warnings are just broken with templates.
There's no way to write something that needs to ignore a warning without leaking something to user code (either you leak the ignoring of the warning, or you leak the warning).
 
The biggest problem I've had with C++/cli is the syntax
 
6:22 PM
@milleniumbug That's its advantage.
 
and the targeting. Keeps poping up a warning saying that the targets are different
otherwise it's pretty straightfoward. just less 'delete's
*fewer
 
lol deletes
 
It also sucks a bit cause Intellisense doesn't really understand properties
 
I've written C++ and C++/CLI and I have to say that I've used about as many deletes in one as in the other.
 
Smart pointers + containers -> practically no need for deletes
 
6:24 PM
@Borgleader +1
you really only need them if you're using native pointers inside a managed class.
otherwise basically everything can be left up to the garbage collector
though it does still FEEL right deleting gc references
 
Time to go home. I.e., cross the street.
 
good luck
 
be safe
 
write here when you are home so that we know you are ok
 
dont' forget your hat!
 
6:27 PM
lol, or your rep
 
but yeah, I wouldn't be using C++ at all if microsoft hadn't arbitrarily decided that reading/writing straight to a disk was too low level for C#
 
@Jefffrey How long before we start calling the hospitals?
 
5 more minutes
> First - programs are not "robots". Perhaps some of your confusion is tied to your lack of precision in using language? Second - it's perfectly clear (in this case) that those who wrote the code AND set it in motion are responsible.
I don't like where this is going
 
Dreck! Anne left a cooker ring on low, leaving a steamer-tray on it. The whole house is now filled with the smell of burnt sprouts.
 
Hey, my beard is itching bad right now.
 
6:40 PM
@Jefffrey The guy who responded to the guy who wrote that comment is a total douchebag
 
> Gabe Kopito Do you have many friends Gabe? Last night, I partied on the Champs Elysees with my gf in Paris, then we crashed a NYE party in the Hotel Costes where I ran up a 172 euro bar tab in two hours. For the two of us. Enjoy your robots, I obviously am still hung over.
yeah
 
gah! at least I found out what the syntax is called
 
Where are these hotels where you can crash in and run up €172 bill? I can never find them.
 
user3010322
Somebody, uh.
 
user3010322
Somebody in here was making a type_list implementation of sort... wait, no, that wouldn't work.
 
user3010322
6:49 PM
Gdi.
 
yum food
 
@ThePhD is back and asking about type lists.
That's him alright :)
 
I didn't create accounts and vote myself, first of all I know serial down/up-votes are reversing by the system. So I will create another accounts, making reputatiıon to them, and up-voting myself? Is this make sense? Why I spend my time to this, instead of I can give answers with my account. You talking about it came to your attention again, OH YEAH LET'S DO THIS IN PUBLIC. You think you have a perfect system that without any mistake? I already lived 2bugs in this website, and I am connecting from internet cafe. You coming here and telling me NOTHING. Okay? Im in, let's do this in public more. — sakamisiniz 1 hour ago
 
Say what?
 
Modern C++ Design has a typelist class. It had a minimal set of typedefs required for appending and erasing a type from a type list.
Kinda impressive given the time I think.
 
user1804599
6:55 PM
Hello.
 
I can't find any portraits that fit the graphics design of the rest of the level
:(
 
@MartinJames They are very volatile.
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked Nice.
 
@MartinJames Only 172? I don't know of any place so cheap
 
I'll settle for these i.stack.imgur.com/wR4cn.png
 
6:58 PM
@rightføld Actually in retrospect the code sucked.
Because I did not take the functional approach.
It's basically a procedural program.
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked so retro.
 
user1804599
@AlexM. AA plix
 
With lot's of nifty subroutines.
 
@rightføld that's enable-able when you run the game I believe
 
user1804599
> I believe
 
user1804599
6:59 PM
didn't you make the goddamn thing?
 
I'm testing it in the editor
 
user1804599
Escape through the Woods is a nice song.
 
user1804599
MGS3 is a masterpiece.
 
i.e. I never built it for release
but I know unity shows a graphics settings screen by default
 
7:01 PM
I'm home.
 
user1804599
I think almost everyone believes.
 
I believe in your mom.
 
user1804599
@R.MartinhoFernandes No, that's the wrong house.
 
Do you guys still believe in love?
 
> still
 
7:02 PM
I believe in still love.
 
@E_net4 Define "love".
 
user1804599
There is a Dutch snackbar in this area and they have a blackboard outside with Dutch text on it.
 
I love anime. lol
 
yeahhhh 26 kills and first place by a long shot
so to speak
@E_net4 lol no
 
user1804599
> Broodje frikandel
Broodje kroket
Broodje bal
 
7:03 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Take one from a dictionary and see whether it sticks or bounces.
 
Broodje bakpao
 
user1804599
I had a cheeseburger in an Irish tavern.
 
@E_net4 You can't ask such a vague question and not also supply the required definitions.
 
user1804599
@thecoshman make me a cheeseburger
 
user1804599
@thecoshman sudo !!
 
7:04 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Actually, I can. I'm not expecting a non-vague answer either.
 
Then enjoy talking to yourself.
 
user1804599
Or were you Scottish? W/e all Great Kingdom.
 
@rightføld At one of my previous jobs we had burgers at local Irish pub every week.
 
Oh well.
 
hmm
> the Standard support for Unicode could be charitably described as ISIS's support for sanity.
 
7:05 PM
Their cheese burgers were pretty good.
 
I dunno.
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked It's always funny when my colleague says he ate "Argentijnse burgers"
 
maybe I should say Christianity instead.
 
You don't need the standard's help in order to make software that uses unicode.
 
you don't, but it certainly would help an immense deal.
 
user1804599
7:06 PM
@Puppy The committee is literally Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.
 
user1804599
Godwin's sharia.
 
At my first job in graphics industry the had their own "basic framework library". GString was the name of the string class.
All classnames started with G.
 
@rightføld you're dead
 
Followed by letters determining the layer.
 
user1804599
@thecoshman At least I'm in an area where the Sun still exists.
 
7:08 PM
I remember vaguely that I spent lots of time working on something called GMovMutator.
 
user1804599
Germaanse mofmonitor.
 
It had something todo with changing objects in PDF documents.
 
isRealG(GString)
 
GMan.
 
@rightføld the what?
 
user1804599
7:10 PM
Exactly.
 
so discrap sent me an update of 'what I missed'... all shit from before my last post, stuff that I've read.
 
My first year in software was mostly spent on this.
 
looks exciting
 
All libraries were in-house.
From the lowest level to the UI.
STL had only recently become allowed
That was in 2007 :P
 
reminds me of my workplace...
 
7:14 PM
Still it was a pretty good job.
 
except that stl is allowed
 
and boost
 
why is stl allowed? that's silly
 
Each change needed to be reviewed before commit.
 
user1804599
7:14 PM
Imagine Lavavej were to apply for a game development job. "Sorry, we don't allow STL."
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There was a very strict style guide.
 
@StackedCrooked That's normal... it's called "peer review".
 
Code review.
 
user1804599
Ik review deze peer als lekker
 
user1804599
en de andere peer is bedorven dus die is niet lekker.
 
7:15 PM
@rightføld lol
 
@rightføld who
 
user1804599
Lavavej.
 
user1804599
Are you illiterate?
 
who's lavavej
 
user1804599
STL.
 
The code base was born before 98 standard. Back in those days STL was not as good as it is now.
 
user1804599
The C++ guy with the eye patch.
 
user1804599
@AlexM. Yeah that guy.
 
@StackedCrooked the STL hasn't really changed since 1998
 
This is a discussion from back then. I needed to create a type-erased wrapper class (like boost::any). When I explained that I was not allowed to use boost even David Abrahams butted in.
> Tue Aug 30, 2005
Apparently my sense of time is distorted as well.
> Years ago (about 1999) they tried STL, but that didn't compile on all
compilers. On one platform not everything compiled, on another platform
the optimizations didn't work.
 
7:23 PM
@Mysticial I thought that twat had gone away :(
 
Would you rather be at the mercy of a fancy library that doesn't work half the time or just write your own tools.
That was the situation back then.
Now the situation is that I'm hungry.
 
my situation is that I just ate
 
@MartinJames Was he here before?
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked lol hotmail
 
I got my gmail invite about a year later.
 
7:31 PM
@Mysticial Don't think so, (but with muliple a/c, who knows). I've just been following the train-wreck on meta for a laugh.
I may have trolled a bit to wind things up more.
 
We had halibut tonight. It was awesome.
 
Not had fish since before Christmas. Want.
 
By the way...
where's bartek?
Haven't seen him in a while.
 
@StackedCrooked He crept in briefly before Christmas, crapped, then crept out again.
 
Ah.
So he's not completely gone.
 
7:39 PM
@MartinJames ah
 
@StackedCrooked Nobody really leaves the lounge.
 
while I don't like MGS that much as a whole, I gotta admit, it has some very original boss fight ideas
 
@MartinJames If you're interested some butthurt: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/281614/…
 
switch the controller port because the boss appears to predict your movements through one of the ports
come back a week later to see the boss die of old age
really neat
4th wall like
 
@Mysticial Yeh - I've already had a bite of that one.
 
7:41 PM
 
@MartinJames Oh, you even commented on that. :) I'm slow today...
 
@Mysticial I do love an occasional nibble of the entitled masses:)
 
@MartinJames If you love that kind of stuff, I invite you to look at my favorites list on meta.SO.
 
> @MartinJames i suggest you read en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppression, cause you seem to be missing some basic rules of education
LOL
Martin, you should educate yourself!
 
@Mysticial OK, thanks. I'll save that till tomorrow. I'm getting thirsty.
 
@Mysticial And for non 10k users?
 
@StackedCrooked I'm not wasting my life on links from some moron. If I wanted to waste my life, I'd spend it in the Lounge... .. .. oh....
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user1804599
@Mysticial lol
 
@Borgleader Man... hurry up and get to 10k. You're basically there.
gimme a sec...
Damn, it's too long for me to screenie on a single page. Lemme find a real screencap program.
 
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Q: How to Escape Tags with JavaScript

Ali DbgHow to Escape Tags with .innerHTML array escape html entities Does not work well var find = ['<','>','"']; var replace = ['&lt;','&gt;','&quot;']; window.onload = function() { var code = document.getElementsByTagName("code"); cl = code.length; for (var e = 0; e < cl; e++) ...

> yes this is question!
 
7:52 PM
@Mysticial I'd be closer if my cash cow answer hadn't been deleted.
 
user1804599
So many hats.
 
@Borgleader Yes, it was sad to see the final demise of 'two mains';(
 
> He gave SO the finger
LOL
 
@Borgleader wtf, it's been locked. I can't undelete it.
 
7:55 PM
@Mysticial I made a meta question about it. It's "final".
 
@Mysticial Why was it deleted?
 
@Jefffrey Because SO.
 
user1804599
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Q: Remove "democratic, community-driven process" from the site not found page

rightføldThis is a followup on Remove "democratic, community-driven process" from the Area 51 FAQ On the site not found page (e.g. http://pandas.stackexchange.com/) this is still claimed: You can vote for it to be created through our democratic, community-driven process at area51.stackexchange.com ...

 
user1804599
I think they're just ignoring this question as if it doesn't exist. :P
 
@rightføld Dunno what this question is about, but gave you +1 anyway.
 
user1804599
7:58 PM
Thanks.
 
user1804599
It's about the same thing as what it is a follow-up on.
 
Oh look. Yet another "How do I improve my question?" question. How many do we need, you ask? I dunno.
 
user1804599
"By not being a fucking idiot."
 
@Jefffrey They have to learn somewhere. I enjoy seeing them asked, but I don't bother to read them since it's the same stuff every time.
 
@Jefffrey One for each question that receives an unexpectedly frosty reception.
 
8:03 PM
@Jefffrey I looked at at that, but didn't answer; it's Java and a naff question.
 
char Example::staticConstructor()
return 0;
oh boy, what is even going on here
I mean in the code. What is he doing?
 
user1804599
It was written by OP.
 
@Jefffrey Dunno. I'm pretty sure that I have static ctors in my C++ stuff - I had one with a bug that blew up my app even before main().
 
user1804599
 
8:16 PM
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Q: Is there a really working example which showing the benefits of ILP(Instruction-Level Parallelism) on x86_64?

AlexAs known CPU is pipeline, and it works most efficiently if the sequence of commands independent from each other - this known as ILP (Instruction-Level Parallelism): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instruction-level_parallelism But is there a really working example which showing the benefits of ILP,...

 
user1804599
Asking about opinions is fine.
 
No it's not. They fit the "every answer is equally valid" criterion.
 
voting can handle that imo
 
user1804599
@milleniumbug BS
 
user1804599
Asking for opinions is not fine.
 
user1804599
8:20 PM
Asking about the reason some language or API designer had a certain opinion is totally fine.
 
@milleniumbug lol 'It does look like you're trying to write a Singleton' - Clippie prompt.
 
yeah, except the next line is, "Would you like help committing suicide?"
 
user1804599
I'm high on oxygen.
 
user1804599
> an user
 
I never remember how default things are disabled in C++.
Is it: if you specify copy or move constructor than both implicit copy and move constructors are disabled and if you specify copy or move assignment, then both implicit copy and move assignment are disabled?
 
8:30 PM
@rightføld In high concentrations, it could kill you.
Be careful, used-to-be-lobster.
 
user1804599
100% oxygen.
 
user1804599
Funfact: all lobsters die because they are killed by impact or because of diseases.
 
That goes for all living things.
Not 'diseases' specifically, but medical conditions.
Do lobsters possess the ability to regenerate everything in their body?
 
@Nooble Not if you set light to them.
 
@MartinJames Poor Mr. Krabs. Even though he's not a lobster.
 
8:41 PM
> 12.8/7: If the class definition does not explicitly declare a copy constructor, one is declared implicitly. If the class definition declares a move constructor or move assignment operator, the implicitly declared copy constructor is defined as deleted; otherwise, it is defined as defaulted
 
Doom on an LED billboard: http://youtu.be/PxIGuMif1Nk #DOOM Love it :) Am sure @ID_AA_Carmack would enjoy playing doom on this.
rofl
 
> 12.8/9: If the definition of a class X does not explicitly declare a move constructor, one will be implicitly declared as defaulted if and only if
> — X does not have a user-declared copy constructor,
> — X does not have a user-declared copy assignment operator,
> — X does not have a user-declared move assignment operator,
> — X does not have a user-declared destructor, and
> — the move constructor would not be implicitly defined as deleted.
> 12.8/11: An implicitly-declared copy/move constructor is an inline public member of its class. A defaulted copy/move constructor for a class X is defined as deleted (8.4.3) if X has:
> — a variant member with a non-trivial corresponding constructor and X is a union-like class,
> — a non-static data member of class type M (or array thereof) that cannot be copied/moved because overload resolution (13.3), as applied to M’s corresponding constructor, results in an ambiguity or a function that is deleted or inaccessible from the defaulted constructor,
That's about as simple as it gets.
 
@Borgleader I have an answer for that. But I'm trying to decide whether the OP deserves an answer. :)
 
Anyway, don't mind me. Just casually ordering my free 120->152MBit broadband upgrade
 
@Borgleader lol - 'An error occurred, please try again later', just after firing the rocket launcher at too close a range.
 
8:47 PM
Fuck it. I'll post the answer.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Have fun.
 
My first answer since August.
 
Do you have the best rep / answer on SO?
 
user1804599
Imagine Windows exercising back pressure on the mouse if the application doesn't process mouse events quickly enough.
 
Dammit @Puppy, you broke the syntax highlighting by removing the language tags. lol
 
user1804599
8:50 PM
Use HTML comments to indicate the language.
 
WTF I just got 10 points off a Ruby question. How did that ever happen? Must have been really ratted.
 
@Mysticial Well that's his fault for posting some C++ when he really wants to ask about assembly.
 
Are there any libraries that can give me time in HH:MM:SS form? I'm trying to make my own one but it's proving to be quite challenging.
Nevermind I think I found something.
 
Jez
8:59 PM
Hey everyone. I bet you've always had that question about your body that you were too afraid to ask. well why not join Health.SE and get it answered there? commit today!
 
@Borgleader Thanks.
 
Jez
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