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2:01 PM
The other thing to watch out for (major red flag) is that they say their network policy is for services within their DC (from their edge routers in). If one of their Peers goes down, you could be out of contact with 50% of the internet and they'd say it's not their fault (but it is since they should have redundant peering)...
@DanGrossman: It is an act of god in legal terms. Something unpredictable that is unreasonable to prepare for...
(unless you're in a flood zone, at which point you deserve to not pass GO for building a DC in a flood zone)...
 
I predict levitation of my servers
 
The fans start running too fast?
 
that, or aliens
 
lol
nice
 
either way, I have server images ready to deploy in another region
 
2:03 PM
@CodingKitten What do you have to say about levitating servers? :P
 
@YiJiang then a lexer/tokenizer is boring wait for it to change and re-implement everything again
 
@CodingKitten Too much Ivo for you, that's what I say
 
@YiJiang Someone edit to mention recent web browser interface. Ajax calls and as well all you need to work
 
my $0.50/month of electricity wall socket server, will be providing home backups of my remote servers as soon as it arrives
 
@Josh: The question is not are they bad for having downtime. The question is how did they respond to the downtime, and how is their service. If they fixed it quickly and without too much pain, that's good. If you're happy with their service (meaning customer support, not the server), then stick with them...
@DanGrossman: And how much traffic do you expect to serve from that?
 
2:05 PM
@DanGrossman Can/Does it run Linux?
 
all the plug needs to do is run nightly cron jobs to make backups... it runs ubuntu
 
Oh. Not as a standby, just as a downloader... Fair enough
 
right
 
@IvoWetzel: Yes
 
@DanGrossman Wait... you mean that plug is running Ubuntu? How big is it?
 
2:06 PM
yes, the plug runs ubuntu
 
@DanGrossman Great, maybe I'll buy one and run Node.js on it :P
 
it's a couple inches
 
It's an ARM CPU IIRC with flash HDD and a fair amount of ram...
 
1.2GHz ARM, 512MB RAM, USB and network ports, runs ubuntu
 
@YiJiang Well a full blown Ubuntu Install takes ~2GB, most of that it additional software
 
2:07 PM
i'll have an external HD plugged into it
 
Unfortunately too weak to run MythTV...
 
@ircmaxell some people run mythtv on it
 
And it can run decently? Really? Myth is currently taking one whole core (and 1/2 of a second) on my Xeon based server...
 
sheeva plug is the same hardware, tonido just provides a bunch of custom software on top of ubuntu to do things like media sharing on your home network with a web interface
 
And that's without running any transcoding jobs (each transcoding job eats a full core to itself)
 
2:09 PM
oooohhh Tonido seems nice :O
 
@ircmaxell comments suggest transcoding will be very very slow on it
 
Ahh, it's not actually running Myth... It's just running the master backend. But it's not doing any video recording or transcoding. All it's doing is coordinating the other mythtv servers...
 
I ordered two of these though, gifting one for christmas
 
HDD is a little small though. Shame they can't make it bigger to fit a standard 2.5 or 1.8" hard disk
 
the whole appeal is how tiny it is
 
2:11 PM
@YiJiang: It's got USB, so stick a USB HDD on it...
 
and how little power it uses
 
@ircmaxell But that would be quite slow won't it?
 
the tower I have under my HDTV for windows media center costs like $60 per month in electricity, the plug costs $0.50 per month in electricity
USB isn't that slow...
 
Can you add stuff on it (like php server) ?
 
@YiJiang: What, do you want everything? ;-)

1. Fast
2. Cheap
3. Efficient

(Pick 2)
 
2:12 PM
yeah, it's got apt-get, anything that can compile to ARM architecture
 
@Chouchenos: Yes... But the CPU is fairly weak, so don't expect to serve to the public. But as a home intranet it should suffice...
 
oh the tonido software it comes with is already partially PHP, it is running a web server already
 
Aw. D:
 
jsfiddle.net/Y9kAM/7 What trivial mistake did I make?
 
it also comes with a dynamic DNS service, so you get something like yourname.tonido.com pointing to your plug
 
2:14 PM
It's still incredible though. Checks to see how much international shipping costs
 
@Raynos What's it supposed to do?
 
android and iphone apps :o
 
@IvoWetzel show the image on the button! :(
 
@YiJiang 15$ for me
 
2:15 PM
@Raynos uh... use input type="image"?
 
But well, w/o an efficient PHP server, it seems useless in my case.
 
you remember we used to run the web on 486's
you can serve traffic without a fast CPU
 
@IvoWetzel sorry its supposed to be a button. Forgot type="button"
 
> Dimensions (L*W*D): 4"* 2.5" * 2"
 
@DanGrossman: Yes you can. But you can't serve a non-trivial amount of dynamic traffic without a fair bit of CPU power...
 
2:17 PM
> No shipping available to the selected country
D:
 
Theres no reason why it cant be an image with onclick I guess
 
10cm * 6.4cm * 5cm
 
Only North America and Europe, apparently. Ah well...
 
102$ in total for that mmmm
must look for the euro-dollar rate
 
76 euros
 
2:19 PM
oh god :O
 
Actually, I could use that in place of my current VMWare box... Still need to keep the Myth server running though. I really need to build a low power box for that...
 
the dollar went that low ? (or the euro went that up ?)
 
@Chouchenos: it's a combination: x-rates.com/d/USD/EUR/graph120.html
 
it's a little scary
my stock portfolio is up 14%, and i wonder how much of that is simply due to the dollar being worth less
 
I seriously need to watch/read more news on a daily bases =_=
 
2:21 PM
Is there some kind of google image library for mocking out test images?
 
last time I checked those rates 1 € ~= 1 $
 
@Chouchenos years ago
 
@Chouchenos: No, it was never that low. The lowest in recent times was about 1.22 - 1
 
-.-:
 
2:23 PM
they were almost even when the euro was first introduced
how many years ago was that
 
@YiJiang thank you
@ircmaxell it used to be 1euro to 1$ thats how it was supposed to be balanced :p
 
> 2003 08 Jan $1.0377
 
I may mistake $ with £ then...
 
10 years ago
 
last time they were close was almost 8 years ago
 
2:24 PM
'cause last time I ordered with $ online, it wasn't 10y ago :p
 
$ to £ ratio stayed constant because both the $ & £ dropped at the same shitty rate :p
 
1999 was when it was introduced
 
that's what I was looking for
 
We probably want someone to move all this non-js related talk over to the Tavern
@CodingKitten What do you say?
 
2:30 PM
@YiJiang I've got to buy a really good patterns?
 
Is anyone really going to come by and decide they want to read transcripts of our chat like novels?
 
lol
It's so funny how fast we shift topics
I mean from is a host down, to how to find a good SLA, to Arm based plug-computers, to exchange rates in like 30 minutes
 
Sorry, things got crazy here :-)
 
@Josh: Read up a bit...
 
@ircmaxell thanks for the advice. I am very happy with LiquidWeb, and the downtime was minimal even if the tech I spoke to wasn't the most knoledgeable
 
2:36 PM
We should all ask the Kitten before doing anything
@CodingKitten What do you think?
 
@YiJiang Yeah I thought of date, nowadays its "No place like ::1" ;-)
 
@Josh: That's the most important thing...
 
their senior techs are great, they have excellent support and downtime is very infrequent
I may be upgrading soon, so that's why I asked
I might look elsewhere, but I'm inclined to stick with LiquidWeb since I'm very happy with them
Thanks for the advice @ircmaxell!
 
Fair enough... I colocate my own servers, so I rarely if ever use tech support...
 
tech support = my hardware disappeared from the internets, please tell me why
otherwise we never interact
 
2:39 PM
I would, but that's not as cost effective for us at the moment
@YiJiang so tell me how this @CodingKitten works?
 
!kitten wisdom josh
mmm wrong josh I guess
 
@Josh It uses the Dissociated Press algorithm for replies, using the last 500 messages in this and the SO Tavern room as input
 
!kitten wisdom Chouchenos
 
Guess you're out of luck with Chouchenos. Yawn I nearly fell asleep when checking their answers.
 
As for the !kitten commands, post !kitten help for a list
 
2:41 PM
I don't have wisdom. you should know that
 
It is for me. I pay $50 per month for a 100mbps uplink to the internet with 2TB/month transfer. The server I have amortized down to about $20 per month (over 3 years). So $70 per month for a Dual Xeon server with 4GB ram and dual SCSI u320 HDD with hardware RAID 1... Makes sense for me... ;-)
 
The Kitten was made by @IvoWetzel
 
!kitten wisdom Dan Grossman
boring
RTFM is not wisdom
 
@DanGrossman But it usually is what get's the most posts
!kitten wisdom Yi Jiang
 
!kitten wisdom ircmaxell
 
2:43 PM
9
A: Any way to automate - for testing - a human-dependant action?

ircmaxellCheck out Selenium... All the tests execute in a browser, so you can test your JS, etc... Edit: Oh, and the REALLY cool thing, is if you use Selenium Grid, you can then scale out your already written tests to multiple browsers and platforms. So you write your test once, and then can run it (s...

 
@ircmaxell We're growing rapidly, so dedicated allows us to expand our hardware as our business grows. When we reach a certain point colo will make more sense
 
Weird... it got that one. Anyway, my top answer is basically one giant RTFM
 
@YiJiang <h1>RTFM</h1> ?
 
@Josh lol
 
@Josh: I'm not saying it's for everyone. For me it is since I have VERY bursty traffic (Average days are around 10k page views, but a few days per month are up between 2 and 5million page views). So I can't afford to throw tons of hardware at it, but at the same time I can't afford to have it slack...
 
2:45 PM
@ircmaxell That kind of usage is what cloud providers are for
start one Amazon Elastic Load Balancer, and add/delete instances behind it on those days
 
I'm considering going cloud for our next server
 
no custom programming, just API calls to startinstance/stopinstance/add-or-remove-instance-to-load-balancer
 
since we virtualize everything anyway
 
right now I have 2 web servers behind the load balancer for w3counter.com, if traffic spikes one day I can start a 3rd and click a button, and now traffic's spread among 3... don't even have to change a config file or anything
there's a web service to automatically scale the instances too
> With Auto Scaling, you can ensure that the number of Amazon EC2 instances you’re using increases seamlessly during demand spikes to maintain performance, and decreases automatically during demand lulls to minimize costs
 
@DanGrossman: I've been thinking about that for my planned rewrite
 
3:13 PM
!kitten wisdom Josh
@CodingKitten Why does Skype take that long to connect?
 
@IvoWetzel Just for fun, and for no obvious reason and no comment
 
@CodingKitten ._.
 
@IvoWetzel what's the Dissociated press algo? I'm doing JSONP, cross domain, so it's not really the problem, isn't it?
 
@YiJiang See it's no longer using your algorithm it has evolved
 
"JANFEBMARAPRMAYJUNJULAUGSEPOCTNOVDEC".substring(now.getMonth() * 3, now.getMonth() * 3 + 3)
Whats the elegant alternative?
 
3:20 PM
JANFEBMARAPRMAYJUNJULAUGSEPOCTNOVDEC I think I found my next nickname here.
 
@Raynos Uh... "JAN,FEB,MAR,APR".split(',')[month]
 
1
Q: More efficient Javascript

Matthew YoungLooking for another eye on making the following Javascript more efficient. The following JSON is produced from a Resteasy service: var testing = { "com:klistret:cmdb:ci:pojo:successful":true, "com:klistret:cmdb:ci:pojo:count":1, "com:klistret:cmdb:ci:pojo:elements":{ "com:klistre...

@Raynos uh, relying on the i18n to do it for you and calling standardized routines?
 
@drachenstern whats i18n
 
sigh
 
@ircmaxell There's only US English!!!!!! Remember that, always use ASCII, UTF-8 is made by the devil!... or wait... guess that was USB
 
3:25 PM
huh? Where did that come from?
is confused
 
basically: USB Symbol resembles devil's trident
 
@Raynos internationalization = i + 18 letters + n (i18n is an old old term)
In computing, internationalization and localization (also spelled internationalisation and localisation, see spelling differences) are means of adapting computer software to different languages, regional differences and technical requirements of a target market. Internationalization is the process of designing a software application so that it can be adapted to various languages and regions without engineering changes. Localization is the process of adapting internationalized software for a specific region or language by adding locale-specific components and translating text. The term...
 
what's up guys
oh hey drach o/
how does everyone feel about iframes?
 
For what purpose?
 
@shogun That they're the devil? (says the guy who's rewriting some of his software to use them heavily)
 
3:34 PM
well we are making this training course player shell thing
and we have preloading right now using divs and background javascript ajax to preload the next screen
but some stuff does not preload like audio buffer for the flash based audio player and things like that
so my co-dev was thinking of using iframes instead and then we could preload everything and swap the iframes out
but i don't think it sounds so hot of an idea...
 
I thought they were dead...
 
that was my thought, dead to me at least
 
Hi, all!
How do I handle middle click with jQuery? (I'm using ver. 1.4.4)
 
Zach over here seems to think in HTML5 they will be enhancing them but I thought they would become deprecated
23
Q: Are iframes a terrible idea?

jamtodayI'm building a widget, and I've been using iframes to present content within it. At some point, I might start serving third party HTML and JS, so I thought iframes would be a good idea. It does make the widget javascript a little more complicated, and I'm concerned that this might not be the be...

 
@Nyuszika7H You don't (I believe)
 
3:38 PM
will $(obj).append([obj1, obj2, obj3]); work as expected ? (Treat the array as a jquery object and append all 3 in order
 
@Nyuszika7H why do you want to capture middle mouse click?
 
Personally I say avoid iframes like the plague
They have some uses. For example im currently wrapping some cloned content into an iframe and calling iframe.contentWindow.print to selectively print parts of my page. But mostly they should be avoided like the plague. especially if you want the iframe to interact with anything outside of itself
turns out $(obj).append(obj1, obj2, obj3) works as expected :)
 
@shogun To do somethings when middle button is pressed. Certainly, I wouldn't use it for links, just images, buttons and others.
 
good. If someone messes with my middle-clicking on links I will be angry
 
mousewheel is close, but not enough. Actually, it does not catch middle clicks, just scrolling with the mouse wheel.,
 
3:47 PM
@Nyuszika7H I was wondering more specifically what it was, there may be a more intuitive option for the user
I kind of assumed you were trying to do something when the middle mouse button was pressed :D
 
Yes you assumed right. :P
 
or wheel was pressed, since that's the middle button on most mice
 
@Nyuszika7H just get the client to download an activex control that captures middle mouse clicks on the os then posts to your server then shoot ajax right back at your client. When I say the os I mean windows of course. And when I say activex control I mean here's an IE only solution of course.
 
    $(obj).click(function(e) {
        function doSomething() {
            alert('Middle click catched!');
        }
        if (e.which) {
            if (e.which === 2) {
                doSomething();
            }
        } else if (e.button) {
            if (e.button === 1) {
                doSomething();
            }
        }
})
Aww! Identing is wrong and it's too late to edit that message! :/
 
I'm just not sure I can think of a compelling reason to capture middle mouse click
hence my curiousity
on a website that is
 
3:54 PM
$.fn.mdlclick = (function(cmds) {
    $(this).click(function(e) {
        if (e.which) {
            if (e.which === 2) {
                cmds();
            }
        } else if (e.button) {
            if (e.button === 1) {
                cmds();
            }
        }
    });
});
After that, I can break middle click on links easily :P
$('a').mdlclick(function() {
    return false;
});
@ircmaxell You can relax, it does not seem to work :P
 
Have anyone here used JsTestDrive and TeamCity
Or with another Continuous Integration Server
 
Good. I'm not kidding when I say I'd push a vendetta against anyone who disables middle-clicking. That would add at least 3 mouse clicks to what I normally do (right click, click on open in new tab, click back on source tab)...
is addicted to middle-click opening of links in new tabs...
 
@ircmaxell who doesn't.
 
hehehe
 
4:10 PM
/me is also addicted to middle-click opening of links in new tabs…
 
so how do I detect IE in js?
navigator.appName == 'Microsoft Internet Explorer' cool
 
For Chrome:
navigator.vendor === 'Google Inc.'
(Unless Google makes another browser, while keeping Chrome alive, too :P)
 
4:32 PM
@Nyuszika7H for chrome if (awesome) {} works (Chrome set window.awesome = true as an easter egg)
 
4:48 PM
me: Task Manager -> iexplore.exe -> kill task
ie: "I noticed I have crashed. Let me fix that for you, i'll restart myself"
me: iexplore.exe -> kill task
ie: "I crashed again. I'll fix that again"
me: RAGE
Seriously though could IE detect the task was terminated by the user and not restart itself?
 
Sister: Uh... can you help me? I need to have this finished... by tomorrow....
Me: Uh what? This Website Thing
Sister: We have to use Dreamweaver to create a Website
Me: Dreamweaver doesn't create web sites, it creates shit
Sister: Anyways I have no idea how that works
Me: Don't they teach you that?
Sister: Uh... haven't attended the classes on that recently...
Me: ..... so you have no idea at all?
Sister: Dunno, all that html text stuff, come on that can't be how people do that stuff, can it? Gnah, don't care I do graphics design not that web shit...
-.-"
-.......................-"
 
LOL I just found some code I wrote years ago - someVar == 2 ? true : false *facepalm*
6
 
....
 
shakes head
 
@AndyE You don't handle the FILE_NOT_FOUND case, shame on you!
 
4:56 PM
Nice one
 
Hi to all
Anyone can please explain me,how i can simulate a enter keypress with Jquery?
please
i have searched a lot,but nothing :(
 
stupid IIS
@Luca A lot is not enough to me.
 
:(
please
 
but a few is enough for @IvoWetzel, so he will help you.
 
@IvoWetzel Graphic design! \o/ I need someone who does graphic design
 
5:02 PM
@Raynos, reminder: you're in a room full of coders.
 
@Luca have you searched for document.createEvent?
 
Well... I got a degree in design and not even one diploma for coding
I'm a developper though
Mwhahaha
 
Hm, does stupid IE 6 support DOM Level 3 KeyboardEvent?
 
@CodingKitten does stupid IE 6 support DOM Level 3 KeyboardEvent?
 
@Chouchenos we just need a SO User page don't need scalability, put something infront of course
 
5:06 PM
here. answer.
@IvoWetzel Don't thank me.
 
> It's not a bad time for WebSockets,
Yea, just gimme a downvote then...
Of course the new spec will be here tomorrow and it will be widely supported over night!
 
lol
luck works like that
 
1
A: Node + Connect + WebSockets

Ivo WetzelRight now, it's a bad time for WebSockets, Mozilla and Opera won't ship them with the upcoming versions due to some problems with the protocol and broken proxies, which allow for cache poisoning. It very likely that Google will also drop support until the protocol has been fixed. So as of now, i...

It's at least 6 month till we get a new version, that's also supported by major browsers
(if you leave out IE9...)
oh, now he posted his own answer -.-
 
@AndyE Coders are great @ graphic design. have you seen my stick men!
Anyone have any recommendations on how to print the content of an iframe
 
You've earned the "Taxonomist" badge for ruby-on-rails3. See your profile.
.....wtf?
 
5:21 PM
@NickCraver: lol
@Raynos: you mean print as in 'send to printer'? Have you tried iframe.contentWindow.print() ?
@NickCraver: didn't you already have a Taxonomist?
 
nah
evidently I did that 2 days ago, and it caught on fast?
 
Only 49 questions, one must have been deleted.
@NickCraver: it looks like it's a synonym now.
 
or retagged, yeah
hmm any way to see when it was added?
 
@NickCraver: only 2 questions asked before you "created" the tag, both were edited with the synonym ruby-on-rails-3 removed and ruby-on-rails3 added. Congrats :-)
Possibly the fastest Taxonomist badge ever?
 
well geez, I've often tried to create nifty tags in hopes I'd get it one day...that sure as hell wasn't one of em
 
5:28 PM
I earned mine for windows-desktop-gadgets, but it had to be awarded manually because some sort of hiccup caused the creator for the tag to be null.
 
awww
any way to find tags you created? I haven't come across it
just found the cause
the synonym for the tag was created before the tag existed, then on an edit I created it a few days ago...then the synonym started working
 
@NickCraver the data isn't public because of fears that the taxonomist badge will be gamed
 
I'm looking over tag synonyms now, some should be cleaned up, for example
adobe-flex-4 -> flex-4 -> flex4
 
yeah
 
so when you look at flex4, you wouldn't know that adobe-flex-4 maps to it, though it does
should be a simple query on the back side, finding where masters exist in the synonym list
 
5:39 PM
It could run on a schedule.
 
-1
A: How can I get node.js to return data once all operations are complete

Ivo WetzelThat sure is a lot of code a couple of mistakes. You're never calling the callback function you supply to readDirectory You need to keep track of the files you have parsed, when you parsed all of them, call the callback and supply the emps This should work: var sys = require("sys"), fs...

I hate him.
> I believe in showing someone examples, rather than doing their work for them, which is what you seem to believe in Ivo :)
Sure all know that I always post the codez -.-
I've got enough for today... this won't end good if I get in rage
 
I recommend just ignoring him. That's pretty lame that he downvoted that answer though, based on his personal opinion of how you should answer..
 
> Downvoting my posts in retaliation is a little childish isn't it Ivo? perhaps you should stick to what you're good at, being everyone's little coding lapdog :) <3
 
Did you downvote his answer for having something wrong with it, at least? :P
(...or at all?)
 
0
Q: Get IE8 to print the correct iFrame

RaynosI am having issues getting an iframe printed in IE8 The solution needs to work in IE8 & quirks mode. Here is an example : http://jsfiddle.net/prq3k/18/ I've tried various variants and most of them print either the wrong iframe or an outer iframe. I've also tried creating a documentFragmen...

Iframe's refuse to print as expected in IE8 :\
 
5:49 PM
It was incomplete and bad by design (using the sync version of file read in a callback...)
He seems to like posting code puzzles were half of it works and then there are some bugs in it... anyways I can't stand them and normally I don't vote on any competing answers
And when there's one thing that I've learned in my life, then it's do defend my self as soon and as hard as possible, I've gone through a lot because I never defended my self as a child... but, well that's just personal experience.
 
@IvoWetzel found out where he lives. Punch him in the face. Dare him to do it again
@AndyE IE8 has a habit of printing the parent of the iframe rather then the iframe
What am I supposed to do with old unanswered questions which I know can be solved but require too much effort on my part and are bringing my answers accepted ratio down?
 
@Raynos Uh, I could factor out the jQuery logic on that resize thing if you want to :P
Speaking of un-accepted questions, my accept ratio is really bad but I hardly ask any questions these days
 
6:32 PM
@AndyE - you'll like these comments, people actually interested!
3
A: Jqeury click on appended elements

Nick CraverUse .delegate() for these cases: $('#something').delegate('a', 'click', function() { This attaches a click handler on #something, rather than direction to the <a> elements within...so it works on anchors appended later. The alternative (worse for a few reasons) version is .live() like t...

 
If you guys ever come around to design a scale
Please, don't put in two different sets of batteries!
Giving a cryptic error about the fact that one pair of the batteries is empty.... -.-
 
if you every come to design a printer that outputs face-up, have it print it reverse order so I don't have to collate it every time...wtf epson?
 
>_>
 
woot, closing costs on the house are ~$1k under expected
 
It seems like it should be really easy to reorder an array
but I've found out it is very difficult..
 
6:47 PM
@NickCraver Very nice :D
 
@Chacha102 .sort()!
@TimStone indeed :) thursday's closing, looking forward to it....that and unpacking all these boxes
 
Well, i think it is mainly the fact that Triton's data system needs to be cleaned up..
I'm trying to use .sortable() in jQuery UI to allow people to reorder the list of documents
but I'm having an annoying time detecting when it changes and then correctly going through all of the elements and updating their order
I'm might just take another approach and just make them sorted by time created/alphabetically/modified and allow people to star documents
It is probably better to create a stable system that works than a system that lets users do cool stuff, but isn't as stable and is messy in the backend
 
7:09 PM
@NickCraver, I guess a house makes a nice Christmas present.
 
yeah, that;s kinda nice (in most cases)
 
@IvoWetzel woo. Go for it +20 rep for you :P
@NickCraver .sort isnt deterministic! :(
array1.sort() === array1.sort(); // false assuming JIT doesnt optimise it
 
It's not deterministic? Really?
 
7:25 PM
@ircmaxell in some browsers it doesnt deal with edge cases deterministically. As in its not a stable sort
 
I would think it should be deterministic if not arbitrary...
 
To execute a function that is on a parent page from inside an iframe page it is parent.functionname(); How do you accomplish this with jQuery? The function I am trying to execute is $.modal.close();
Nevermind, it's not a global function so I can't access it. I can however create a global function on the parent page that executes it... That way I don't have to mess with the modal framework.
 
7:41 PM
Actually wait, can you name 1 edge case that wouldn't result in a deterministic sort @Raynos?
 
@Raynos Helping you getting back to 100% accept rate :P
 
@ircmaxell As in I believe the search picks random seeds (seeds is the wrong word) to do a search with
@ircmaxell My mistake I have misunderstood the differences between deterministic and stable
 
That's pretty dumb... I understand why (trying to gain a few % of efficiency), but that's still dumb
Actually, since it's not stable, only values that match == but not === would throw off the comparison
so if the array contained only like scalar values (all strings or all ints or all floats, etc), array1.sort() === array1.sort() should always return true... It's only in the case where there are mixed types in the array that it could present itself (so if 5 and 5.0 are in the same array, the order may be ambiguous
 
@Raynos Updated my answer
 
7:58 PM
@IvoWetzel scratched your back :)
 
@Raynos :)
 
@ircmaxell that is correct. or if you use a custom sort function. Its those kind of edge cases. if your sorting tuples by their first value. [1,2] & [1,3] are the same value in terms of order but you cant garantuee their position in the list as n or n+1
 
ahh
right...
 
8:22 PM
Hi, all!
 
Hi
 
Huh?
> Asked 4 non-wiki questions with a total score of 8. Answered 7 non-wiki questions with a total score of 106.
 
is having real fun now...
I'm trying to debug why our internet connection gets flooded a few times per day (and hence grinds to a halt)
 
@ircmaxell Installing windows?
 
8:38 PM
No, trying to look through 300k packets in wireshark to try to figure out what's causing the flood
I'll take installing windows over that any day of the week...
 
is it kitten-related traffic from chat.stackoverflow.com?
 
8:54 PM
That was a thought...
and I haven't 100% ruled it out
 
kitten? :(
What should kitten do?
 
!kitten fix ma netwurkz
 
@CodingKitten Are you flooding ircmaxwell's internet connection?
 
Huh? What's a "fix ma netwurkz" supposed to be? If you can't type you should reconsider your profession, what about writing the next Harry Potter? Can't get any worse with that...
@IvoWetzel 1.4.2 doesn't set attributes it down would have designed your sandbox
 
@CodingKitten Don't start talking about jQuery versions again
 
8:56 PM
@IvoWetzel if you like to, spam some kind of learning algorithm running on socket.io :)
 
9:14 PM
# ping 239.255.255.250
PING 239.255.255.250 (239.255.255.250) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 172.25.44.217: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.366 ms
64 bytes from 172.25.44.214: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=0.962 ms (DUP!)
64 bytes from 172.25.44.217: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.421 ms
64 bytes from 172.25.44.214: icmp_seq=2 ttl=255 time=0.846 ms (DUP!)
64 bytes from 172.25.44.217: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=0.290 ms
64 bytes from 172.25.44.214: icmp_seq=3 ttl=255 time=0.954 ms (DUP!)
Anyone else see a problem there?
(or more than one perhaps)
 
9:40 PM
Is DUP like "derp"?
 
duplicate packet alert
is having fun watching my laptop cry for mercy trying to compute a flow diagram... (512mb RAM, OLD Core2 processor, 300k data points)
 

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