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6:03 PM
wow this whole album is amazing
 
nobody knows what it means, but it's provocative
 
> If you encounter a "Servers are unavailable" message when playing Dragon Age Origins, just click OK to continue.
Right.
 
@Sofffia Yes, that is macro. I think for_each_part is just convenient thing to have - it somewhat emulates range-based-for-loop, but it is not necessarily. While process_format is must have.
 
6:25 PM
> EYO (trad., slang) get a grip, compose yourself
 
@sehe has spoken.
 
dixerat
 
I really need to go to the bathroom, but I know that I will want to smoke and get something to eat afterwards; which means that I should probably wait until the unit tests are finished (since I can push to prod if they all are successful); this means that I'm almost wetting myself. Who said the life of a software developer wasn't exciting?
damn you unit tests, GO FASTER!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm telling my bladder the same thing.
 
Do you think "Greetings to you, eaters of phallic-shaped bread." is an appropriate way to address French diplomats?
 
Something to try out nomic.dev.loungecpp.net
 
OMG that looks cool.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Non.
 
What if you want to declare war on them?
 
6:36 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Then don't greet them.
 
What if you're English and they address you as "tea drinker"?
 
then correct them
 
I think "eaters of phallic-shaped bread" is ambiguous
I eat those things all the time
 
we eat French bread here from time to time.
 
frogs, perhaps
 
6:43 PM
Hey'all
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think it's a valid test to see whether they are cut out to be diplomats, though
 
I'd be a great diplomat.
 
Is C++ a good language for game development?
 
Epiphany
 
6:44 PM
For the next couple of years?
 
Yes. No. Maybe.
 
Embassador of the Swamp
 
Ell
@Puppy pfft, speak for yourself
 
@AfonsoMatos There you are. Three answers for the price of one.
 
@AfonsoMatos oh it will keep you occupied for more
 
Ell
6:44 PM
the only french thing I dare touch is wine and cheese
 
@Ell I believe I did.
French bread is fucking delicious.
 
But they don't eat phallic-shaped cheese.
 
@sehe If I want to follow a game developer career.. would C++ be alright?
 
Nor drink phallic-shaped wine.
 
@Ell That's... such a nice incongruence
 
6:45 PM
@Ell So, not helpful.
 
"eaters of phallic-shaped penises"?
 
@AfonsoMatos Depends on the success you intend to have. It would certainly not be wasted effort iff you succeed
 
Ell
define incongruence:
> (incongruent) not congruent
 
After all if you want to offend them you may just go with cocksuckers
 
On a slightly meta level, isn't `phallic-shaped' a bit of a contamination of 'phallus-shaped' with 'phallic'?
 
6:47 PM
@AndyProwl I want to politely declare war on the fuckers.
 
@sehe I intend to be a game developer.. I'm going to follow Software Engineering. I am 15 years old and I am an intermediate webdeveloper, having knowledge of html, css, javascript, php mysql.. I am also starting with node.js.
3
 
had to star that
 
@Ell "the only thing" doesn't agree on number with "wine and cheese"
 
lol intermediate
 
@AfonsoMatos Cool. FYI none of that will help you to get into game development.
 
Ell
6:48 PM
@sehe Oh no, I mean cheese crushed up and mixed with wine, as a dish
I think I saved it.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That's why I want to try to step into game development.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Why not? People make games in the web, too.
 
@AfonsoMatos Just choose what you like. C++ is always useful and often used in hardcore game graphics. If you like to learn it, go ahead. I learnt C++ by myself and because I just wanted to.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not really.
@AfonsoMatos Nice one
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I have a Soft. Eng. degree and I'm in gamedev...
 
6:49 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes It is also a JS hugbox so dunno, but at least it's not rubby so it'll be easier to work on
 
@Ell Ah. Cheese & Wine is a thing. I'm so ignorant
 
@Borgleader That's awesome :)
 
@Borgleader I was referring to the techs.
 
oh that yeah but you did say "none of that" which included his mention of soft eng
 
@sehe I just don't want to choose the wrong path. I was also thinking of Java for its high portability.
 
6:50 PM
SE is for scrubs who can't get through CS :smugdog:
 
How can you choose the wrong path if it's what you like doing? Maybe when you're old you can see what was the righter choice
 
Ell
@sehe Nah, I think it was incongruent in the way I intended it initially
maybe. I'm not sure
 
@Borgleader shush
 
Ell
I don't eat cheese crushed up and mixed with wine unless I'm making a fondue
 
What. I hope you usually know what you intend to say :)
 
6:51 PM
by that logic I was saying that getting into game dev won't help him get into game dev
 
Ell
but I do eat cheese and wine
 
I usually drink the wine
 
@Ell There's only one thing that is incongruent there: wine and off-by-one errors.
 
Game development is for people who aren't good enough for actual development
 
(that's a lie, I usually throw most of it away after looking at it for a long night)
 
6:52 PM
and this is where i plonk cat
 
@Borgleader Really. Consider just ignoring his provocations. Also, did your degree actually help you get into game dev? Because, imply as you might, you didn't exactly give that datapoint.
 
alt: Good developers is a subset of all developers, and so are game developers, web developers, ...
 
To answer the initial question, no, C++ is not a good language for game development. It might be a good language to make a career making games with, but that's a different thing.
 
everyone makes games in Wide now.
 
6:54 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes What he said
 
Is writing games in C++ a hardcore task? Is it an advanced step?
 
@Puppy which is why we have a broad revolt going on in the gamers culture on how "they're out to destroy gaming"
 
@sehe It did. I took the multimedia branch, and I was originally hired for a 5 month contract as a 3d programmer, then I got a full time job as a general programmer (theres an internal policy that required me to be general before being able to pick a specialty)
 
@AfonsoMatos Yes. Yes, and Yes.
 
I'm bored
 
6:55 PM
@AfonsoMatos its definitely not for casuals
 
So we noticed
 
I'm stuck
 
Everything in C++ is a hardcore task and an advanced step.
 
If I want to fastly step into the game development just for starting. Where should be my startpoint?
 
@JohanLarsson Nice to meet you, stuck
@AfonsoMatos Not c++
 
6:56 PM
no time for word games :)
 
@AfonsoMatos You should start by fastly stepping into it.
 
c++ is for making something that runs fastly, not for making it fastly
 
@AfonsoMatos 1) Download Unity, 2) Make games, 3) ???, 4) Profit
 
@JohanLarsson Who knows. It might get you unstuck.
Lateral thinking is solving problems through an indirect and creative approach, using reasoning that is not immediately obvious and involving ideas that may not be obtainable by using only traditional step-by-step logic. The term was coined in 1967 by Edward de Bono. According to de Bono, lateral thinking deliberately distances itself from standard perceptions of creativity as either "vertical" logic (the classic method for problem solving: working out the solution step-by-step from the given data) or "horizontal" imagination (having a thousand ideas but being unconcerned with the detailed...
 
3) Have no life whatsoever
Programming is terrible
 
6:58 PM
bus in 14 mins
 
@sehe get up and walk is a decent approach for getting unstuck.
 
I should do the laundry.
 
Also helps
 
almost asking a q can also be good
 
I'm out of food and it's Sunday night.
 
6:59 PM
I think I am going to continue my HTML5 games journey.. and then step into unity 2d.
 
I think I have gone wrong early this time, had it in a branch but rebase merged it
 
@JohanLarsson Yup.
 
or unity 3d
 
I think you're a moron
 
@JohanLarsson rebase merged it? wut. Rebase it back
 
user1804599
7:00 PM
@AfonsoMatos Start with Tic-Tac-Toe or Hangman.
 
If division is not allowed then I'm sure getting people on the internet to solve this for you is also not allowed. — Lightness Races in Orbit 7 secs ago
 
@rightføld Thanks for the support. I just needed some feedback.
 
@sehe I was proud of myself for being successful with such an advanced move. Dunno if I worded it right.
 
user1804599
They can be trivially implemented using just the C++ standard library.
 
@AfonsoMatos You're asking a bunch of random internet dudes what's going to be best for you in 20 years with absolutely zero relevant information. What feedback, exactly, were you expecting?
 
7:02 PM
lol I need to give admins explicit write permissions
 
@JohanLarsson The idea if rebasing is that you have a set of "semi-isolated" changes floating around that you repeatedly apply on top of a moving branch. The re-application is known as the "rebase" and the set of changes can (can) be automatically determined by git (by comparing commit-ids, see git log --cherry-pick for defintion)
12 mins ago, by sehe
How can you choose the wrong path if it's what you like doing? Maybe when you're old you can see what was the righter choice
 
Wanted to enable type safe arithmetics for multiplication/division of arbitraty types and powers without reflection.
 
@JohanLarsson Come to the dark side! Use C++/CLI
 
shurg
 
user1804599
C/C++/CLI
 
7:04 PM
No, the division is not allowed!
 
I could drop even lover and use soldering iron & wires
 
@JohanLarsson drop even lover?
 
user1804599
Just don't drop the odd lover.
 
"Drop your lover, using a soldering iron."
 
i drop even hater
 
7:05 PM
@Borgleader closer to metal
 
@sehe What if it's really poorly paid and can't support his family?
 
I'm not an Internet dude.
 
9 mins ago, by Johan Larsson
no time for word games :)
 
@Puppy Get a smaller family.
Chainsaws might help with that.
 
@Puppy Who said anything about wages?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Or soldering irony
 
7:06 PM
<- not very nice :)
 
Fuck you, edits.
 
@sehe Well, "best" is pretty poorly defined but most people won't define "best" as "Can't afford to support family"
 
@JohanLarsson It's autoboxing the parameters in order to access the interfaces, even if they're value types
 
user1804599
He has a computer, so he can't be poor.
 
not correct either, justwrote it to see where it lead
@sehe no idea :)
 
7:07 PM
@Puppy Who said anything about a family. Maybe in 20 year's time we'll know how that applies
 
Ell
@AfonsoMatos just ask @LightnessRacesinOrbit any further questions. He is all knowing :)
 
I know what you're doing; you're painting context that make any answer look wrong. Fact is, we didn't have zero context, and that was a pretty legit, useless, answer.
 
user1804599
Not the first time.
 
I'm sure that was starred for being an unintelligible mesh of references.
 
user1804599
Liebe ist für alle da, aber nicht für Puppy.
 
user1804599
7:11 PM
j/k i love you puppy
 
@sehe I have no idea what you're talking about. As far as I can see, it's a perfectly valid perspective to suggest that personal enjoyment in career is not necessarily the defining quality of what constitutes "best".
 
user1804599
@sehe It wasn't.
 
I guess I'll have to go out and forage for food.
"forage for food" sounds cool.
 
Oh well. Dropping out of college and hammering on SHA2 to find a weakness obviously describes it far better.
Notice why I made this close-to-home: it was a question of career advice. I answered with personal advice: my life experience is that it pays in the long run to do what you love, because that allows you to excel. Apparently, you very much agree.
 
s/excell/powerpointt/
 
7:18 PM
@rightføld <tears-up/> that means, you understood me? Life goal satisfied: I've felt understood just once
@R.MartinhoFernandes xD fixed
 
Oh, right, food.
 
@sehe That assumes that I always make the best decision for myself; which is unfortunately patently not true.
 
@Puppy I didn't assume that. I explained why I still referred to your life choices. Read again?
 
user1804599
@Paul Nathan: goto | jumping to conclusionsJoey Adams Aug 6 '10 at 0:41
 
user1804599
lol
 
7:21 PM
I wasn't aware that you made any reference to my life choices in your advice to that guy.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah, the smaller computer the more €
do you feel like ruberducking some bear?
 
@Puppy I didn't. I deflected his question by answering a life question instead. Like you said, it's impossible to tell from where we're standing. If he can't tell, then "follow your heart" is my best advice. (Including if this means: drop it and start a foster home)
 
Oooh kinky.
Dammit.
I don't mean the foster homes.
I mean the bear on duck action.
 
rubing on a duky
 
rubber bear
how would c++ solve it btw?
 
7:31 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Do you have a minute?
 
Ell
hmpph why does running on the jvm put me off scala so much :S
 
user1804599
JVM is great.
 
Ell
needing any kind of preinstalled runtime/vm/something puts me off
 
user1804599
I thought you liked Ruby.
 
Ell
7:36 PM
@rightføld I do.
and my dislike of this kinda stuff is irrational
but I don't know where it stems from
 
@rightføld Wich one in particular?
 
user1804599
A VM is not a different dependency than any other dependencies.
 
@rightføld Preinstalled runtime makes a difference for dependencies!
 
@Ell fear. The lizard brain
 
user1881400
Can anybody help explain merge sort to me? I know how to divide the lists recursively until each one has one element, but I don't know how to recombine the lists in O(n log n) time. The way I see it is that once the lists are in segments of 1, you can swap them in pairs. That's great and all, but when you combine two pairs and try to do the same with a group of 4 values, all of a sudden you have two for-loops and O(n^2) time. (And for all groups > 4)
 
7:48 PM
16 mins ago, by Johan Larsson
how would c++ solve it btw?
 
@JohanLarsson By generating all the polymorphic code statically, hence no code duplication or boxing required
 
@FizzledOut no.
 
@Borgleader sorry, was out getting food.
What about?
 
damnit, I had some nice satin bedding when I was at uni, practically ruined it anyway, but I lost the sheet.
now I can't make an attempt at repairing it.
 
@sehe would it be nice to use the lib from C# after that or would c++ fart stuff all over the place?
 
7:52 PM
might have to re-order.
 
@FizzledOut only in it's 2*(n/2) right? Anyways: ideone.com/A2aM3R vs ideone.com/3Jqwpc, consider the size of the chunks (they're not n, but n/2 or n/2).
Oh, forget about the parallel execution. It's irrelevant
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes So I was toying around with some code yesterday, and I got the idea, that I could make an iterator version of this. I thought you might have an idea of what I could look at to learn how to make this.
 
No it wouldn't. I called it the dark side for a reason. I like c++/cli for "glue"
between c++ and C# though (i.e. when you already have a native lib)
 
would it mean refs to scary stuff or could it be just one dll?
 
It's a nice cold weather.
@Borgleader you mean like a lazy iteration thing?
 
7:56 PM
hello
 
The transformation to iterator is megahertz
Wtf
Mechanical
 
@JohanLarsson a mixed-mode assembly (pretty much /unsafe) with - likely - a msvcrt dependency
 
But messy and full of annoyances in C++
 
I see
 
@sehe when do we start?
 
7:58 PM
@JohanLarsson You pick. You'll be flying solo on this mission :)
 
I can only recommend looking at Somalian code.
 
and why is that mr bear?
 
I just thought it'd be neat to be able to do something like... uh idk: std::transform(rle::decode(ifs.begin()), rle::decode(ifs.end()), lzw::encode(ofs.begin()));
 
Wtf autocorrect declared war on me today.
 

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