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6:07 AM
can u link a VC compiled static lib to MinGW?
 
I don't think so. But I might be wrong.
 
D sucks
Java style interfaces, etc
 
@IntermediateHacker it's not a good idea. they both use COFF format, but much different
 
and their implementation of run-time stuff like dynamic_cast, STL structures and exceptions will be much different
by the way
 
Well, I want their compile-time stuff.
 
6:13 AM
do I gain some functional programming creds for implementing that Y-combinator in C++?
 
Hmm, I guess so.
 
I see. guess I'll have find some MinGW binaries then, or worse, compile from the source...
 
well, when I finally finish WideC, you shall never lack for compile-time stuff again
by the way
it is so not an interpreter
 
Yeah, keep telling yourself that.
 
short answer is, there is no such thing. but some languages are designed to fit better with compilation or interpretation. still, there are C++ interpreters...
 
6:16 AM
no
because I'm going to compile it to machine code
and keep it around to do incremental builds with
 
that's why my compile-time performance is going to be so fucking good
 
wish I was in university, high school IT is so unbearable. The nitwits in my class are still learning the difference between compiled and interpreted languages.
 
I don't know that.
 
@IntermediateHacker My university never covered the difference.
such as a difference genuinely exists
the truth is that these days, the lines blur with every generation of new languages
is C# an interpreted or compiled language?
 
6:18 AM
Well, if you ask me "what's the difference between compiled and interpreted languages?" I really don't know how to answer.
 
yeah, JIT compilation etc.
 
also
 
but seriously, High School IT is stupid.
 
I'm intending to Standardise an interpreted language that runs in concert with WideC
 
it doesn't even come near writing actual code.
 
6:19 AM
I invented a new VM which I think can deliver ridiculous performance
 
@DeadMG What does "Standardise" mean?
 
and the metaprogramming features I've got going should make it a breeze to interact with
 
@DeadMG Can u post a link to WideC. I'm getting interested.
 
it means "Every implementer must implement it."
@IntermediateHacker No, it only exists right now as most of a lexer and a tiny fraction of a parser
 
@IntermediateHacker It's his pet project.
 
6:20 AM
it's a bunch of super fucking awesome shit
and I'm even (vaguely) certain about how to implement the super fucking awesome shit
which is generally a step up on most people with vague ideas
 
I see. @DeadMG It better be open-source.
 
pffft
fuck that shit, I need to eat you know
 
All I can write are recursive descent interpreters...
so people who write compilers are respected by me.
 
well, the tough part is going to be code generation, as I have the least experience with it
and it's quite complex
and WideC especially is going to be, ehm, tough
ahahahaha
 
in fact, forget what I've just said
 
6:23 AM
:1823565 He's not going for "simple".
 
because their VM can, A) run in a decent amount of time, and B) support pointer shit
 
He's definitely not going for "simple".
 
actually
I have a sneaky feeling that WideC might be easier to implement than other languages
 
We'll see.
 
some stuff which is just "done for you" in other languages, you might have to code up yourself
especially at compile-time
 
6:24 AM
for example?
 
for example, consider a C++ template
 
I hope that doesn't mean boilerplate all over.
 
in C++, they are strictly functional and pure
 
no!!! not a new GLib
 
but in WideC there's no such guarantees at all
 
6:25 AM
I sure hope u arent following the GObject system path.
 
uh, Object? The only thing I can name which is stupider than that is C's Standard library
 
uh, scratch that- just C.
 
I can name stupider.
INTERCAL.
 
objective-C
 
6:26 AM
that's intentionally esoteric and doesn't count
 
the whole PLEASE thing is pretty funny
 
Yeah, that's an awesome feature.
 
MUST IMPLEMENT IN WIDEC
epic WinRAR right there
by the way, I also had an idea
how about named loops?
like for [identifier] ( shit ) { stuff }
 
You mean like Java fake goto thing?
 
6:29 AM
then you can like, break [identifier]; or continue [identifier];
 
Yep, like that Java fake goto thing.
 
dunno what you're talking about
I want it so that I can break and continue from loops in lambdas
 
Java has named blocks.
And you can break and continue out of them, just like you showed.
 
well, that's an unusually smart idea from Java
but I think that I've got more motivation with lambdas in the language
 
It works on pretty much any block, no need for loops.
 
6:31 AM
functional APIs aren't really Java's style
 
foo: {
    if(something) break foo;
    blah();
}
Is somewhat equivalent to:
 
well I was only going to put it on loops
 
I thought the usual name for that was 'labelled break'?
 
{
    if(something) goto foo;
    blah();
}
foo:
 
in Lua, typically, they tried and utterly fucked it up
they had "stacked break", where you could do
for(shit) for(some other shit) break 2; to break the outer loop
as if that language needed more "INSERT UNMAINTAINABLE MAGIC HERE"
 
6:33 AM
It was made by a Brazilian!
 
don't remind me of Lua. I hate it.
 
SO DO I :)
 
(But then so was boo and I like boo.)
 
@DeadMG will WideC compile directly to machine code ; some intermediate language; or some sort of bytecode/CIL ?
 
What do you think?
 
6:36 AM
or none of the above?
 
All of them!
 
ALL OF THEM BITCHES
ahem
most definitely machine code- right now, I'm going to crack in LLVM
 
13 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
He's definitely not going for "simple".
 
now I've heard rumours of JVM/CLR bytecode backends for LLVM
and if they're true, then JVM/CLR too
 
> "[...] That's impossible. Isn't it? Carlos?" Carlos's mouth twisted. "Not if it's being done. [...]"
 
6:37 AM
but definitely machine code because wtf else would be the point?
 
what about the intermediate language? e.g vala compiles to C
it could come in useful, for people maintaining a C code base
 
LLVM machine code?
 
LLVM has an IR
 
@DeadMG have u written some article / blog post etc. on WideC? I want to see the syntax etc.
 
about a billion of them
check my SO profile
the blog isn't so active now since I started having a shitload more problems with university
but there are quite a few thoughts on there
speaking of which, it's been like, three weeks since I made a post
 
6:47 AM
If u think ur blog is inactive take a look at mine.
 
no thanks, I doubt there's anything incredibly interesting posted there
 
ur blog is nice by the way (unlike mine ).
 
lol
 
Direct 3D11 and Direct 2D have been separated in Windows 8?
 
i think i need some help
with locales and g++
 
6:49 AM
no, integrated
they were separated in Windows 7 and Vista
which was really fucking annoying, because they took out all the 2D and text rendering from Direct3D11
and then they didn't integrate it with the replacement API
 
here's my test program that fails to crash with g++: codepad.org/tRMrxY96
 
"fails to crash", lol
 
I see.
If only my programs would "fail to crash", I would be a happy man.
 
well i use crashing as a means of being sure that something is called. nothing is called.
however, works fine with visual c++
so, what am i doing wrong, wrt. g++?
 
I marked the members override to make sure you got the signatures were correct. Still compiles.
 
6:59 AM
Is it true that
> The only standard streams that use codecvt are file-streams. std::cout is not required to perform any conversion at all.
?
 
no idea
ok, I discovered why throwing in the destructor was a dumb idea
it's not very customizable
now I want to derive from it and throw a different exception
:(
 
well i found some wording in C++11 §27.9.1.1/5, saying that file streams must use a codecvt facet
 
@DeadMG What?
You didn't know that?
 
I built an exception builder class which throws in it's destructor
it made throwing real sweet, like
Wide::ExceptionBuilder() << L"Shit" << some_shit << L"Some other shit!" << more_shit;
 
7:06 AM
but it's ok
I used a std::function to swap it out
there's no problem std::function can't solve
 
I am in :D
 
no, I forbid you, it's unlawful to enter the room! Begone, heathen!
 
You know what's stupid?
 
I banish thee, now and for all time, from the Kingdom of DeadMG C++
@RMartinhoFernandes I do know someone who's stupid :P
oh wait, that's a mirror
 
7:13 AM
I was going to post a question on scifi.se and ended up doing all the research myself while writing the question.
 
Catch the stupid one :P
Don't let him go.
 
if I could reach through Teh Interwebz and smack him in the head, I would
but mostly just because it would be fun
 
user457812
If I could reach through the netterwebbial stew and punch the people working on Google+, I would.
 
or the Google Style Guide
 
user457812
Both.
 
7:16 AM
If I could reach ...I don't know what will I do :P
 
lol
by the way
I am a Fucking Genius™
and I feel the need to announce this loudly to the whole five people currently in the chat
 
user457812
I have a guillotine around my monitor, so don't try sticking any appendages through.
 
Fool™
 
haha
 
What is the announcement,btw?
 
7:19 AM
that I am a person of extreme intellect
 
user457812
It's hard to disagree.
 
and my opinion is the final authority on any matter that I choose to voice it on
lol
it's easy, I am a person of extreme intellect because I am the final authority on everything. I am the final authority on everything because I'm a person of extreme intellect.
 
oops! I forget how cut the word,Can anyone tell me will get bounty?
 
user457812
Who said circular logic doesn't work?
 
@想的不一样 Three dashes.
 
7:21 AM
intellect fool
 
@nil It does work, just in a circle.
 
0
Q: How to read and write file simulteneously?

DanyI am making a windows application in C#.In that application i have created two separate threads one for writing into the file and one for reading from the same file.The condition is that writer continuously into the file and at the same time another thread is continuously reading from that same f...

 
much like my brain
 
user457812
And circles are beautiful, therefore it is the most beautiful logic of all.
 
Thanks,you will get bounty in NFS most wanted while thrashing the cops :)
 
7:21 AM
also, I am a person of extreme intellect
 
I think we should not spam the room
 
it's not like anyone else had anything interesting to say
 
@想的不一样 I have no idea what you're talking about.
 
user457812
I would really like a muffin, but I've already had two tod– oh wait, it's tomorrow now. Hm.
 
Ignore it
 
7:23 AM
@nil That's what I said about eating way too many cookies. Nom nom!
 
Cue @DeadMG's complaints about his being sick later today.
 
user457812
Seems like typical discussion for this room as far as I'm concerned. There's just a distinct lack of food pictures...
 
user457812
I'll go get a muffin and take a picture of it.
 
@Alf: That's your cue, chop chop
 
@Alf is busy with g++.
 
7:24 AM
also, we need @Tony to come in and discuss sex
 
You know, I really don't remember the last time we actually discussed sex. I mean, dropping the words "sex", "boobs" and related stuff don't actually count as discussing sex.
 
@DeadMG You read from and write to your brain simultaneously?
 
of course
 
Now it's clear why he gets corrupted data.
 
Probably me too. I don't think it's serialized.
 
7:28 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes I have a unavoidable attraction to pale women. I just can't help but feel that it makes me a racist.
 
@DeadMG No really, why the fuck would that make you a racist?
 
Everyone has preferences.
 
well, it's not exactly equal opportunities, is it?
 
That's silly "racism".
 
sorry, I'm not into black women, it just doesn't get me on?
wouldn't be very fair if you were the potential
 
7:30 AM
So? If you're not into blonde women, that's not hair-colorism, is it?
 
well, I'd label that under completely the same thing if I had the same reaction
 
You should date a black woman for half a year and then dump her. Then you can say: "I've dated black women too." and you're in the clear.
 
Well, then, I'm a smartist. I don't like stupid women.
Also, not being into men, doesn't make you a sexist, does it?
 
I thought you were going to say you liked smarties.
 
I guess that it probably does
 
user457812
7:35 AM
 
an unavoidable corruption of what I would consider for romantic entanglements based on my sexual desires- a pair of things that I'd really rather remained apart through a nice strong firewall
 
user457812
Muffin, yo.
 
I'm having trouble waking up lately. Must be the season or something. Arg, should get in the shower soon.
And leave for work after that.
 
You're a wake up timist! You don't like waking up early.
 
@nil 13" MacBook Pro?
 
user457812
7:37 AM
15"
 
Macbook Pro
 
Ah.
I like those.
 
user457812
Currently about 3 years old
 
What muffins or Macbook Pro or headphones or speakers or Books?
 
user457812
So, mine has a replaceable battery and express card/whatever slot.
 
7:38 AM
@nil Newer models don't have this?
 
user457812
They don't.
 
user457812
Muffins: from Costco. MacBook Pro: a MacBook Pro. Headphones: Sony MDR-V6. Books: I'm not listing them.
 
I read that as "Boobs".
 
user457812
Boobs're good too.
 
My mind is playing tricks again.
 
7:39 AM
Macbooks are hideously expensive
 
user457812
If my picture had boobs in it, it would be the best thing ever.
 
If your picture had boobs in it, you'd be a woman, no?
 
I got one at my prev job. They are nice to work with. But, yes, expensive.
 
user457812
7:40 AM
If I were a woman and had my boobs in the picture, I wouldn't be sharing it, but I sure would be enjoying my boobs.
 
You could have now also :P
 
not if you found them unattractively large
 
@nil Now you're making me jealous.
 
user457812
This is true. We will assume that if I were a woman and my boobs were in the picture, they would be sized, shaped, and probably oiled to my liking.
 
and shaped
 
user457812
7:42 AM
There we go.
 
oiled?
 
user457812
Oiled.
 
I would be first person to take a feeling ;)
 
user457812
I would shoot you.
 
I wish If I could reach there ..:P
My pen is leaking.:D
 
user457812
7:44 AM
You are creepin' me out.
 
Better muted
 
lol
 
Dammit, I really need a haircut.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked I'm not having trouble waking up lately, I'm having trouble waking up early...
 
It's been over a year now.
 
7:45 AM
not really into the oils
 
OMG, what have I done.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Only one? Don't they come in pairs?
 
user457812
@StackedCrooked As do I, though I may as well leave it long now that winter's coming
 
@sbi I have trouble waking up early, lately.
 
maybe I'm just young and inexperienced here, but I don't see the point of oils and stuff
 
7:46 AM
@sbi Ah, I see what you mean. Unfortunately, that was not what I'm talking about..
@DeadMG Oils? For what?
 
user457812
@DeadMG Well, with enough oil, you can rub up against a seagull and kill it.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked I don't think I had a haircut in the last decade. No, make that 15 years. (Although I had some woman cut off the tips of my pony tail about every five years or so.)
 
that's not really the purpose of oiling women's breasts
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Hi Tony! :)
 
user457812
Just makes it more interesting.
 
7:48 AM
I mean, breasts are for me to rub up against, and I'd rather not get oil all over my face
 
@sbi But on your avatar your hear is short.
I'm shoulder length now.
 
sbi
@DeadMG You can't make an omelet without "oil or stuff".
 
I'd rather not cook and fuck at the same time
that's bound to go wrong in so many ways
 
user457812
So many kinky ways.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked It's not like your avatar had long heir either.
@StackedCrooked Interesting. And how long is your hair?
@DeadMG Cooking is sexy.
 
7:51 AM
That's why women should do it!
 
sbi
And also, eating is the sexuality of the old, as my father says.
 
if I could cook, I'd be happy to do so to attract some female, but I don't think it's wise to do so actually during the act of having sex
 
So, old people are allowed to practice their sexuality in public?
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes When you can cook, you can eat in the confines of your own house.
 
here's a question
what the hell have I been doing for the last six hours?
 
7:58 AM
Talking about WideC, announcing the geniality you claim to possess, and considering why you should oil boobs.
 
ok
 
I wrote five lines of code during that time.
 
I wrote a few, I think
 
I mean, not counting the Y-combinator thing.
 
I fixed up my throwing-exceptions-from-destructors design
 
8:00 AM
Sounds sane.
 
wait, didn't I fix up that that I use to parse namespaces?
 
You said something about parsing namespaces at incredible pace.
 
I also played some Battlefield 3
fucking hacker came on :(
 
What?
Someone hacked your game?
 
uh, my game?
 
8:02 AM
stackoverflow shows Star Trek for 404
 
it's DICE's game
 
I meant, the game you were playing.
 
yes
 
@vivek That's just the chat.
Meta shows waffles.
 
I was happily mowing people down with my M249 and some hacker came on
 
8:02 AM
:)
 
SO shows some polyglot code.
 
Funny guys
 
> We couldn't find the page you requested. However, we did find these delicious waffles.
 
lol
 
This always makes me hungry.
 
8:03 AM
I expect express delivery
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Hacker as in someone who hack people ?
 
I hope not.
 
well
obviously I should test my design by deliberately causing an error
 
sbi
BTW, has anyone here not seen this yet? wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/%21/petition/…
 
You tweeted that before, so yes, I've seen it.
 
8:08 AM
rofl
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Actually I retweeted that, I think.
 
That silly site requires JavaScript to work properly.
Damn governments.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Yeah, I don't see it in FF either, I need to resort to IETab.
 
works fine in Chrome
owned, nubs
 
user457812
8:12 AM
I saw it and it brought me great joy.
 
> "We, the undersigned, strongly urge the President of the United States to formally acknowledge an extraterrestrial presence engaging the human race and immediately release into the public domain all files from all agencies and military services relevant to this phenomenon."
This site is full of funny stuff.
 
user457812
There are a lot of strange people out there.
 
lol
 
obviously they should have put the limit over 25k
 
user457812
8:14 AM
Nobody would bother if they did
 
user457812
If it goes much over 25k, it probably stops being within the range that people can imagine reaching.
 
sbi
Dang, only in July I have been at the small fishing and diving town (you can see the port) at the south tip of the island in this picture. It's now evacuated for fear of toxic gases and other direct consequences of the eruption.
 
What erupted?
Oh, Mount Teide?
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes The Canaries are all volcanic.
Shortly after we left in mid-July, they started to get earthquakes, dozens a day, but only a few above 4.0 (which is when you start to feel it).
 
You can clearly see Nessie in that picture.
 
user457812
8:16 AM
That's not Nessie, it's obviously an alien spacecraft.
 
Newsflash, aliens come from the sky.
 
user457812
And they land in the water
 
This is unreal picture.
 
sbi
I think it was Friday night when they had a 4.8 (corrected upwards from 4.4) quake on El Hierro. That rattled everbody's teeth, and made rocks fall down the 1000m cliff behind my fathers backyard (Ok, it's a few kms to the wall), so they had people living "closely" to the wall (including my father) evacuated on Saturday night.
 
Oh, your father lives there?
 
sbi
8:20 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes Yeah, he does. He's staying with friends now.
> Il y a de toutes petites rougeurs sur le plan d’eau... probablement lors de certaines explosions sous-marines les plus fortes. (There are tiny red lights on the water...probably when the underwater explosions are strongest.) – Raymond Matabosch, 2011-11-07, 19:58 UTC
 
I think I may require sleep
 
sbi
@DeadMG I think it's a safe bet that you require sleep. The question is when and how much, though.
 
well, I believe I've been up for 19 hours
that's got to be more than healthy
 
8:44 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes :D
 
sbi
8:56 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes Oops, I only now saw this. No, it's not Teide (on Tenerife), it's off the coast of El Hierro.
 

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