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1:05 AM
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Q: Pre-flight screening checklist for first/early posts--adaptively pick three items, tune with metrics

HostileForkMy idea is a kind of "pre-flight checklist", where new users are given some boxes to tick consciously.. It would be designed to help make sure the first interactive way in which people engage moderation is simple--hopefully at least somewhat lighthearted--and clearly automated. You might object...

Hm. Controversial. Already downvoted 3 times and upvoted 2. :-/ Weird.
 
@HostileFork two upvotes were mine
You need to add another item about not using red as a tag!
 
@HappySpoon Do not vote using more than one account! That's sockpuppeting! It's okay to have multiple accounts, but those accounts should not vote on the same question.
Undo it if it hasn't timed you out from undoing it, with one.
 
two different personas, I have a split personality
 
Please, don't do that.
Undo the vote
Well, one of them.
 
too late
 
1:15 AM
Well then, someone else downvote it
Who would have otherwise not voted either way
 
Hmm. I can downvote and it moves to -2 from 0
 
Now this is just unhelpful all around.
 
Delete the question and post it again.
 
In the largely-invisible rules department, there is question-banning for doing exactly that.
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Q: Do you get question bans by deleting your own posts?

OthyaI have recently been question banned, probably because I keep deleting some of my answers and comments. Sometimes, reading through a question can take a few minutes, and solving it can take another X amount of time.. by the time I comment or post an answer to the question, answers may have alrea...

 
well, it's back to -1 again
 
1:20 AM
Well I don't care about the score, but seriously, don't sockpuppet. I know you have technical reasons for needing the other account for the chat client and such, but keep it on the level.
 
I'm guessing you asked for the downvotes
by using language such as mean old etc
 
Yeah, well, sort of. But I'm trying to bend it.
The balance of power is too much toward intimidation with these systems.
Powerful people are the ones who should be able to take a joke and a slight.
 
@HostileFork and we without the power have the right to subvert the system
 
I think this site has started, sort of fostering a culture of people who want to say "we have power and you don't", and y'know... I think it needs to err on the side of those holding the power to show a bit of humility.
 
1:35 AM
So rgchris and I have discussed the potential usefulness of MOLD/COMPACT [a [b c] d] => "[a[b c]d]" and that this might be a thing that's generally useful.
In an era of "minify"ing JS and CSS, why not have /compact in the box; rather than have to go in and strip spacing.
Easier to just not put the spaces in the first place
Then discussing the Rebmu worldview, the question is... would a Rebmu world ever have anything but mold/compact?
"why would you ever mold source out with extra spaces? or without mushing?"
So I'm debating internally if I want to be predictive with moc being mold/compact, which mushes implicitly (already a bit dodgy) or if the "c" should be implicit and just use mo to mold/compact and mush implicitly.
An epic crisis, of the Rebol-teaching world meeting the Rebmuverse. I would put this right up there with P=/<>NP
 
I guess mold puts spaces there as part of the literacy that is Rebol.
 
2:10 AM
Saw a -18 answer from Jeff Atwood back when he was still at SO
I wonder what the lowest SO employee and moderator Q & A of all time are.
@HappySpoon Well, would you think of mold/compact as being useful enough to include by default?
 
well, I think it would be useful. I send mold packets across the internet so anything that reduces the traffic, the better
though since I also compress them, maybe the spaces are removed for me.
 
Well...
That's not really the nature of compression.
 
In a GUI which is being asynchronously updated, should the focus not always remains where it is?
 
I vote to close your unclear question in 10 seconds if you don't explain what the heck that means.
 
say, you're editing some text in an area face
 
2:23 AM
I have a number of rules for GUI applications, personally.
 
but the gui is also updating various screen elements, in r3 and r2, the update takes the focus
and so you start typing into mid air
 
There are strange things like where you type a word that the spellchecker doesn't like, and then it autocorrects for you. So I say like foo and hit space and it gives you foobar
 
so, I think the gui should not do this, or at least if it is forced to, it should return the focus to where you were.
 
You become irate, undo, and are taken back to the moment where you said foo and the cursor is sitting after it, just as it was.
But this time, you hit space and you get a space.
I think that is garbage UI.
 
apple's spell checker drives me mad
autocorrection .. phoey
give me a better keyboard
the way android does it is better imho
where you draw across the keyboard linking letters
 
2:26 AM
For me, if there's a key which means "complete" and one which means "don't complete", and you want to bind "complete" to space okay. But give me a "don't complete" key. Every time I touch the complete key with no further interaction, do the same thing.
I will then proceed to unbind space from the complete key because I usually mean what I typed.
 
leave my focus alone!
 
 
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4:17 AM
I understand that you can create various layouts for Android, but how would you get data back? With SL4A dialogs, they would be returned as part of the API calls. But html/JS dialogs?
Or, are the layouts submitted as part of a SL4A API call
 
4:40 AM
@DocKimbel, you're a broken man I see!
 
rebol3> either 1 "2" "3" [4][5]
 
; Brought to you by: tryrebol.esperconsultancy.nl
== [5]
 
rebol2> either 1 "2" "3" [4][5]
 
; Brought to you by: tryrebol.esperconsultancy.nl
; rebol.com/r3/docs/errors/script-expect-arg.html
    *** ERROR
code: 303
type: script
id: expect-arg
arg1: either
arg2: true-block
arg3: [block!]
near: [either 1 "2" "3" [4]]
where: none
 
@HappySpoon ?
 
5:14 AM
@HostileFork That is the penalty of using third party stuff.
 
/s/facebook/stackoverflow
 
@DocKimbel your icon was a fractured image. But I see it's back again.
 
@HostileFork Funny, I will be meeting Facebook China (they just opened an office in Beijing) at InnovationWorks this afternoon...I'm curious about what is their plan for China.
 
@DocKimbel how did the face masks work out?
Keeping the air pollution at bay?
 
5:44 AM
@HappySpoon Haven't used them so far, but bought some for the cases where I need to jog when the pollution is high.
 
@DocKimbel Also, any possibility of using R3 workers for Cheyenne?
 
@HappySpoon I guess you could port all the workers code to R3 (including the RSP engine), then plug it in Cheyenne.
 
Only the workers use the RSP engine?
 
6:03 AM
The RSP engine has two parts, one is in the main process, and the main one is in the workers. So you can substitute the worker part, as long as you respect the communication protocol with the main process, it will be fine.
 
6:27 AM
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Q: Pre-flight screening checklist for first/early posts--adaptively pick three items, tune with metrics

HostileForkMy idea is a kind of "pre-flight checklist", where new users are given some boxes to tick consciously.. It would be designed to help make sure the first interactive way in which people engage moderation is simple--hopefully at least somewhat lighthearted--and clearly automated. You might object...

Well, despite the misadventures of the downvoting accidental sockpuppet spoon, I'm back up to 0
Clawing my way back up to 0. That's... what my life has become.
One of my friends who had been in debt for a long time finally paid it off, and he was very proud to say "I AM NOW, OFFICIALLY, WORTH NOTHING! PARTY!"
Also, I don't think I've heard anyone use the word "bogus" in over 10 years. Hmmm.
 
@DocKimbel Has anyone built a GUI based app using cheyenne as the main core of the app, and using the workers for multiprocessing
 
 
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8:22 AM
@hostilefork +1 now, crack open the champagne. Seriously though it sounds like a good idea. Similar to our friendly bot
 
8:40 AM
people keep voting it down
 
8:54 AM
You're right
 
9:25 AM
Amusing for those who follow the round ball @rgchris
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Q: How did the twitter account Fifndhs predict the world cup results ahead of time?

georgechalhoubThere was a a feeling of exhilaration and excitement on Twitter, with the twitter account @FifNdhs called “FIFA Corruption” seemingly having predicted the final result of the World Cup final hours ahead of time. The amazing German footballer Mario Goetze scored the game’s only goal in the 113t...

 
9:40 AM
Hello, how do I install the Rebol/View executable on Ubuntu 14.04 64-bit? It won't run with "sh" because it's 32-bit and the .deb files on rebol website won't install because ia32-libs package is missing on this new version of Ubuntu. Please help.
 
9:57 AM
@user3398747 did you try the 64 bit versions? atronixengineering.com/downloads.html
 
10:32 AM
@HappySpoon but those are rebol v3, not v2. I was told on this channel to use v2 as it is simpler and complete
 
install wine?
 
11:32 AM
dpkg --add-architecture i386
apt-get update
apt-get install libc6:i386
apt-get install libstdc++6:i386
apt-get install libx11-6:i386 libxcb1:i386 libxaw7:i386 libfreetype6:i386
apt-get install xfonts-100dpi xfonts-75dpi
@user3398747 ^^ (see above)
(For Rebol 2/Core, you can leave off the last 3 three lines, only libc6:i386 is required.)
 
11:44 AM
Can we add this somewhere readily visible? Like a SO question?
 
 
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2:17 PM
@HappySpoon Modern hoaxes, eh? Although...
 
 
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8:42 PM
@rgch
@rgchris - I wonder if can use altxml with HTML that is non-XML (i.e. with <br> instead of <br/> etc...) ?
 
8:58 PM
@giuliolunati @rgchris note that HTML5 is changing the rules. <foo><foo/> is equivalent to <foo><foo>. There are no self-closing tags, but in the infinite wisdom of the people making the standards, they decided to give it an incompatible meaning. So you need a switch to distinguish those behaviors.
 
9:39 PM
@hostilefork - Ohh... any reference?
 
>> mush [a b c d]
== [aBcD]

>> mush [a: b c d]
== [AbCd]
>> rebmu [mo[aBcD]]
== "[aBcD]"

>> rebmu [mo[AbCd]]
== "[AbCd]"
@RebolBot delete
@RebolBot delete
I wasn't talking to you, RebolBot. :-)
Thanks to @rgchris we now have a mushing operator, integrated within Rebmu for molding. So those MO-for-mold cases actually broke it apart, then joined it, then molded it compactly again as Rebmu. ;-)
@giuliolunati You don't take my word for it? :-)
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Q: Are self-closing tags valid in HTML5?

cdeszaqThe W3C validator doesn't like self-closing tags (those that end with "\>"). Are they still valid in HTML5? Some examples would be: <br \> <img src="" \> <input type="text" name="username" \>

<p /> will be treated as an opening tag, not a self-closed tag. That means the entire remainder of the document will be treated as being within the P element. That is not what I "probably expect", and will produce a serious mess on any non-trivial page. — rgove May 20 '13 at 17:09
 
9:55 PM
Speaking of usability and such, that's pretty much the first time console pasting has gotten RebolBot to do that (well, to do it to me), which was what @earl protested about it when we were discussing adding the feature.
How do we feel now that time has passed about this? Should we go to a rebol> and red> based request, or should >> alone stay?
I actually don't care, assuming rebol> is added and defaults to Rebol3.
 
@HostileFork - I trusted you, but wanted go more in depth! :-)
 
D'oh! RebMu at 49: do B[pb bl? iu a jn "do B" ml b [try [ld/all a]]]rgchris yesterday
So let's see, now we've got do B[pbBL?iuAjn"do B"moB[ty[ldaA]]], I guess?
>> length? {do B[pbBL?iuAjn"do B"moB[ty[ldaA]]]}
 
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== 35
 
I didn't really realize how many "quine" puzzles there were. Given their popularity, having a working musher and compact mold is pretty important.
 
10:25 PM
@JacobGood1 So do you understand the above Rebmu code? :-)
 
@HostileFork I will answer with... lol
 
@JacobGood1 It's a program syntax checker, that determines if an input string is well-formed in its language or not. returns TRUE if the input is well formed, FALSE if not. But with a twist. It also rejects itself as input; so if you give it the source code for itself that is false also. Standard Quine rules (can't compare against a file, etc.)
35 characters, and I think, it's quite clear.
Unlike other solutions that have been run through the mill of code golf, Rebmu programs are often modular and able to make small modifications to their source in response to small changes in problem descriptions.
Some day they will build statues of Dr. Rebmu. Maybe cautionary ones, cursing that he created the effective equivalent of miniaturized nuclear weapons that could be built without a lab. We'll see.
 
@HostileFork Did you make that dialect so that you could win in code golf?
 
So all of us could win in code golf. :-)
Rebol out of the box is handicapped by verbosity, yet if you aren't measuring it in terms of characters but symbols or "nodes" it can be very concise.
I wanted to make something that was a "fair" dialect; doesn't break the parse rules of Rebol/etc, but still let you trounce people and do so without machine assistance.
So I do actually write the programs in text editors, I don't "compile them" into Rebmu
And if I notice something being annoying about that process, I think about how to improve it.
 
@HostileFork lol, code golf is not fun for me but thanks for the offer
 
10:35 PM
I like it. But only if I win.
Hm, that's kind of how I feel about most games.
 
@HostileFork I guess >> is fine as long as the next line does not start with ==
 
@Oldes Well, the result can be anywhere subsequent. So that rule would have to say that no ensuing line starts with ==. And it has that sort of "hm, this feels wrong" situation. I always feel, when I hit problems based on invisible heuristics, kind of like "I wish they hadn't done that"
I hit this, with the "ignore all input prior to Rebol [" header recently... I think that rule, must be stricter, to make for a good ecology
 
@HostileFork that is true:)
 
Allowing arbitrary payload before searching for a line starting with "Rebol [" (for Rebol) and "Red [" (for Red) does not have good properties.
You might be quoting code from one in the other, etc. So the ecosystem has to firm that up. Yet people really want that #!/bin/rebol feature to be ignored at the beginning of the script. I think that can be accommodated without opening a loophole very widely.
I'd prefer it to be "first line can start with #" and add more loopholes on an as-needed basis.
 
11:22 PM
@giuliolunati Problem is: HTML is much more difficult to parse when it doesn't follow XML rules. Context/State comes into play. There is an HTML Parser for Rebol that works like AltXML, but is built atop PowerMezz that unfortunately has not yet been ported to Rebol 3 (something that really needs to happen).
It's also a little tricky to tweak—it works fairly well at building a tree the way a browser would, but not perfect.
@JacobGood1 One of the interesting side-effects is with the abbreviation of Parse keywords combined with 'The Mush', Parse rules can be compressed to the point where they are not only competitive with RegEx on size, but retain the flexibility and much of the readability of Parse.
Given that people apparently like heavily truncated pattern matching, perhaps it's only now after having been mushed that Parse can take over the universe.
 
@rgchris Hehe
"It's funny because it might be true."
But still, need the character classes.
 
Well, RebMu has a couple in there—alpha (lower/upper), digits, hex digits. Could include all that are in RegEx...
@HostileFork I wonder what advantages are for having the current header arrangement? I'm not sure I have any scripts that don't include the header at the start or newline-separated from the #! line.
 

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