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12:03 AM
Hello
@k111ky wow, that is weird :S
 
the app name is Motivation, so I'm guessing you'll work faster if you see that you get older by the second
 
hah, that or you may be sad after the first week
 
or that yeah
As you see from the screenshot above I don't have much to be sad about - for now
 
right
 
tho' 22 is dangerously close :/
 
12:06 AM
pretty weird at the begging
lol
 
Anyone seen this site: http://aprilzero.com/ ?
Bloody awesome
 
wow, nice
 
fully mobile as well
 
awesomeness responsive, yep
doesn't refresh, perfect!
what is it made, angular is not, right?
 
no idea, the guy who made it mentioned that it took around 1200 commits tho'
 
12:15 AM
hahah
he started with HTML 4.01 :P
 
you found the git repo?
 
nop
did you?
 
nop
probably private
 
yep
> This site tracks where I go and what I do every day.
> Most of the data comes from various apps no my phone.
> Thanks to the fellows on NSA for the geo help :P
ok, pizza
now I'm gonna eat you
See you later @k111ky!
 
Later @Lucio
 
12:54 AM
 
now do that with css
 
1:23 AM
@rlemon I can do that with CSS pretty much
 
so
I was bored
:P
 
the question is: can you think of how to do it without JS?
Not actually do it, but think through it
@rlemon Have an idea?
 
don't care too :P
 
1:39 AM
lol
kk
 
I made a SO answer on that (not exactly)
with CSS
 
lol
I'm just fucking around seeing how fast I can do this with pre seeded arrays
 
@rlemon Play any sports nowadays?
 
nope
 
1:48 AM
pity. You should pick up some rec sport
they're a lot of fun
you should join one :)
 
Again, reminds me of my CSS project xD codepen.io/Zeaklous/pen/rqusn
 
function step() {
    for (var i = 0; i < steps; i++) {
        var tmp_index1 = Math.floor(Math.random() * colours.length);
        var tmp_index2 = Math.floor(Math.random() * colours.length);
        var tmp1 = colours[tmp_index1];
        colours[tmp_index1] = colours[tmp_index2];
        colours[tmp_index2] = tmp1;
    }
}
basically I seed it with a pattern then randomly replace cells.
 
 
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@rlemon Nice! though not as random as I hoped a js version would be :D
 
well it just makes one random image then flips it
 
ah, I see
 
 
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4:25 AM
mornings
 
morning
 
Morning
wallbase.cc/toplist awesome wallpapers
 
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morning
 
@Wesabi sad they cudnt make up for it
 
@NullPoiиteя unsplash.com I like these too. It's nice to see real photos when I'm on the computer all day
 
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4:36 AM
@ICanHasKittenz wat
 
@Wesabi the match?
 
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ah, i didn't see that
 
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but i would have supported netherlands :D
 
rofl I thought u were cheering for brazil!
 
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depends on the opponent :D
 
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4:39 AM
because the only squad i actually support is ITALY
 
hoping ger takes the cup home today cross fingers
 
http:// wallpapers.wallbase.cc/rozne/wallpaper-2517967.jpg
 
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ahhhh dang, shows for me
 
@Mr.Alien done
@ZachSaucier awww so cute!
 
4:46 AM
haha, I tried to make it my Steam image
 
right now it's a person in a suit with a cat's head and a shotgun, haha
 
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I'm off. See you guys in a bit
 
bye zach
 
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4:50 AM
gn
 
hello everyone
 
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hello
 
@RobertDelValle nice to meet you. Rare to see such a story in one's About Me
btw if you ended up solving your question you should mark an answer as correct or post your own saying how you solved it :) @RobertDelValle
 
haha, well yes I plan on sticking around here so wanted to have something on it
 
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4:53 AM
@ZachSaucier my about me is very complete
 
i know, thanks. has not been solved yet
i have high hopes for the next beta download though.
 
kk, just making sure you knew
 
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welcome!
 
4:56 AM
have a good night folks, I am just exploring right now. good meeting you.
 
@RobertDelValle u too, welcome to the room
 
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@RobertDelValle welcome :D
 
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@rlemon i haven't drink coffee in three days, feel like Rick Grimes is waiting for my death
 
5:12 AM
@wes lol.... so do you drink milkshake ? :P
 
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@NullPoiиteя english breakfast tea, with tons of @rlemon and sugar
 
I dont use php anymore ....:)
 
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to be honest, three tea bags per cup
 
Lol... thats too much
 
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5:15 AM
indeed, but still not as powerful as coffee
 
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:D
 
Once I did with 2 and didnt like it
 
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so what do you use now?
 
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python?
 
i dont do programming anymore
 
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5:19 AM
WAT
 
wat is this
 
i am civil services aspirant ...so reading news and studying budget online
@navin wat === water and tea
 
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like i know what "civil services" are :D
 
very funny
 
@NullPoiиteя what has the world come to!
 
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5:21 AM
lol
 
but...how? lol
you got into business?
 
darn IAS xD
seriously? lol
 
@ICanHasKittenz lol yes :D
 
5:23 AM
wew, you need tons of good luck
 
@Wesabi see this darn IAS xD seriously? lol is happen when we say we are preparing for civil services :D
 
what's the reason for the big change? pay grade?
 
@ICanHasKittenz lol .. i am not sure weather ill got selected for IAS but i have really leave very good job offer and shutdown business
 
ur pretty good at programming from ur profile x_x
 
@ICanHasKittenz no power and chance to do something good :D
@ICanHasKittenz i used to lol:D
 
5:25 AM
yea u took a big risk
hope u get selected though, how many exams do u have to take?
 
@ICanHasKittenz its my first attempt
 
I meant the number of subjects and stuff? not sure how it goes. IAS is getting into Police dept. right?
 
@ICanHasKittenz noop its IPS
 
okay Administrative like collector?
 
5:28 AM
xD Collector who can code, ur gonna be first of the kind
 
@ICanHasKittenz there are many others who have done IIT in computer science :P
 
really?:O such a waste being collector
 
IIT-ians can earn plenty $$ from abroad
 
but not power and great responsibility to rule the country
 
5:31 AM
honestly with power in India comes threats, u do know that already right?
 
yupp exactly
 
darn the nationals x(
 
@ICanHasKittenz outsourcing ?
 
@NullPoiиteя nope, just job hunting
 
@ICanHasKittenz its always pretty hard to get remote location job /job abroad
 
5:42 AM
@NullPoiиteя it's easy in India?
 
@ICanHasKittenz noop..... may i ask where are you from ?
 
if it weren't for the good pay here I would prefer to work in India
@NullPoiиteя ^ that should answer
 
lol wat?
> The Kamine Zoo in Hitachi, Japan recently took part in an unusual fundraiser: sell jeans that have been gnawed on by their lions, tigers and bears. Large sheets of denim were wrapped around objects like tires, logs and rubber balls for the animals to chew on. The deliberately torn material was then sewn into what they're calling "Zoo Jeans" and are to be sold at auction to raise money for the animals.
the art!
(sarcastically ofcourse)
 
now this is awesome one wallbase.cc/wallpaper/7560
btw
 
5:52 AM
@NullPoiиteя take care not to overdose
 
@ICanHasKittenz thanks and dont worry i dont consume more than 50 gram per day now :)
now i think i should also try it to buy new car :D\\
my tab hanged and shutdown now i have to wait until battery discharge completely ...damn on fix batteries
night gusy
 
6:29 AM
@NullPoiиteя gnite
 
7:06 AM
posted on July 13, 2014

New Cyanide and Happiness Comic.

 
7:31 AM
@NullPoiиteя its day here
Gudmrning puny humans...
 
@Mr.Alien u look more puny to me alien
 
@ICanHasKittenz unfortunately SO provides limited space for my snap so somehow I try to fit in
 
 
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9:22 AM
@Mr.Alien go and sleep it will be night .... :P
 
 
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10:24 AM
@NullPoiиteя lazy pig
 
does anyone plays guitar here?
@easwee my fav animal
 
@Mr.Alien I can play" nothing else matters intro" lol otherwise I play accordion
 
nah but do you get the configs of a guitar, I mean, is a guitar good or not etc?
 
hello and happy sunday
 
10:38 AM
reply me bitch reply me
@web-tiki heyo
 
@Mr.Alien I play guitar but I'm not shure I'm the best to judge guitar configs
Are you planning on buying one?
 
yea (hopefully), but not now, after a month or so, after I find a budgeted decent one
 
electric or acoustic?
 
acoustic
I heard gibsons are best
but they are expensive
 
yeah
do you already play or are you going to learn?
 
10:44 AM
nah I want to learn
I liked this one
but ain't sure how good is that
also am not understanding what do they mean by w/cut w/tuner
I found online, no help
 
what kind of music do you want to play and BTW you don't need a gibson or fender to learn guitar. I've nearly always played on random brands and they are decent to start with
 
hmm, I wanna play slow ones, I feel jimms are good, and in my budget but not sure how good they sound
 
I might be lacking some english vocabulary here but I think w/cut and w/tuner means the shape of the box
 
nah, I think its for "With" or "Without"
 
with or without what?
 
10:51 AM
tuner
thats just my cheap assumption
 
For the w/tuner, I guess you are right but the "w/cut" seems to mean that the bottom left of the box is cut away like on this one amazon.com/Brown-String-Guitar-Cut-Away/dp/B00BURQWHW
 
haha
@web-tiki yes may be
 
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@Mr.Alien so, bug/issue tracker/help desk software?
 
@Wesabi I don't mind, but can we expect some traffic?
 
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well, it would be the only bug tracker that was started this decade
 
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10:57 AM
others are like actually are made in '00 :D
 
so it will be just like bug zilla, report error, others will support or deem invalid etc etc
 
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yes, but php
 
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we could also consider to make a port of bugzilla
 
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but it would be a lot more work
 
@PatsyIssa @rlemon @mikedidthis en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome
 
11:01 AM
@Wesabi yes I know, I was asking you for details cuz already am having work load these days but anyways lets do it, we can go slow and program, let me know when you are free to start..
 
Morning all
 
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firstly we need to decide how to approach the developing, are you one that "designs on the paper first" or are you ok with frequent refactorings?
 
@Wesabi yap, personally I prepare mind maps
for flow clearance..
currently am already developing snippet manager of my own
 
code snippets?
 
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11:07 AM
well yes, but how detailed is your brainstorming?
 
@Wesabi db map
front map
flow map
admin map
control map
etc
 
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what are those?
 
db map is for database management, like relation of columns
number of columns
data types
 
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ok, front?
 
those are for back, for front, its pages, functionality, control etc
 
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11:09 AM
flow?
 
workflow, what to program after what
 
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ok
 
one am working on ^^
 
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well, my approach is way more instinctive :D especially because i work alone
 
so, it's basically gist?
 
11:12 AM
@k111ky kinda collection of codes, public private whatever you like
all for free
 
so gist
 
@Wesabi I know, its same here, never worked before with anyone
 
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@k111ky exactly :D
 
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it does have a name
 
11:13 AM
@k111ky never saw that and I just did, so it seems like me and gist are using same editors
 
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Extreme programming (XP) is a software development methodology which is intended to improve software quality and responsiveness to changing customer requirements. As a type of agile software development, "Human Centred Technology Workshop 2005", 2005, PDF webpage: [ftp://ftp.informatics.sussex.ac.uk/pub/reports/csrp/csrp585.pdf Informatics-UK-report-cdrp585]. it advocates frequent "releases" in short development cycles, which is intended to improve productivity and introduce checkpoints at which new customer requirements can be adopted. Other elements of extreme programming include: p...
 
feeling bad that am doing something which is already done, anyways fuck that, I will use if for myself
 
That's why I mentioned it hehe
 
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also
 
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Domain-driven design (DDD) is an approach to software development for complex needs by connecting the implementation to an evolving model. The premise of domain-driven design is the following: * Placing the project's primary focus on the core domain and domain logic. * Basing complex designs on a model of the domain. * Initiating a creative collaboration between technical and domain experts to iteratively refine a conceptual model that addresses particular domain problems. The term was coined by Eric Evans in his book of the same title. Core definitions * Domain: A sphere of knowledge ...
 
11:14 AM
Wasn't my intention to make you feel bad tho'
 
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@Mr.Alien #fail
 
@k111ky haha thanks for the link though, I will see what they offer and what they dont
@Wesabi :p
 
Well it's Github, so have fun competing.
 
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lol
 
developer.github.com/v3/gists < they also have an API
 
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11:15 AM
@k111ky what languages do you know? want to help us? :D
 
With what?
 
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we (i and alien) are going to start a php project, a bug tracker / customer support software
 
so like bitbucket and github, except with 99% of the features missing?
you guys really need to learn how to explain things to people better
 
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well. companies won't use github for customer support
 
anywho, I'm decent at PHP, HTML5 (except the canvas stuff, never got around to learning that), CSS3, JS (I'm crap at vanilla, but I'll manage).
 
11:18 AM
we can't and hence we don't have our own wikipedia pages
 
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except companies who write code
 
the day we get better is the day we will have our own wiki pages
 
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also, github's bug tracker is very limited
 
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and it's not self hosted
 
11:18 AM
Travis CI anyone?
 
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don't know what is that
 
@Mr.Alien didn't know what Github Gists are, you don't know what Travis CI is ... you know if you'd live under a rock a bit less maybe you guys would have original ideas, too. :D
 
yes... we suck
 
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ok i'm feeling offended now
 
@Wesabi don't, accept we suck
 
11:21 AM
Anywho, I don't work on stuff I don't like, so if you want me on board you best convince me it's not already done way too many times and even if it is, why you can do it better and why is it better than all the ones out there. Also, what purpose does it fulfill?
 
@k111ky wow, erm. Even Lounge<C++> don't usually lower the normal standard of civility that far
clearly I have some things to learn about this room
 
You done any market research? What users would you target the most?
 
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@k111ky no problem, i already gave up trying to convince you
 
programming projects != target, its always about learning
kids won't get it
 
I'm sorry, I just want every line of my code to either be worth it or scratching a itch I have.
and the scratching a itch pet projects I have plenty
 
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11:25 AM
anyway guys remember the general rule: if Wes didn't hear of it, or if Wes heard of it but he doesn't use it, it surely sucks
7
 
I've been around enough to know that project with no vision, open source or not, will eventually go to shit. Like Anchor CMS, which I helped build some time back was intended to be a for-designers CMS, but slow development lost users, bugs that never got fixed lost users, and eventually nobody cared because there was no vision. No end goal.
 
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bootstrap? jquery? angular? sucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksuck
 
@Wesabi aahhahahahaha
 
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:D
 
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11:27 AM
sorry, can't talk to you :D
 
@Wesabi am having a feel like php room
 
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@Mr.Alien anyway, as opposed to what the kid says, there aren't decent php bug tracker
 
yes
 
..
 
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the best is mantisbt, but its code is terrible
 
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11:29 AM
for example you can't customize the skin
 
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or add features
 
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it's just a mess
 
Sounds to me like you're scraping the bottom just to find justification for making it.
 
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also @Mr.Alien our primary goal, as i told you already, is to start doing something together
 
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even if it's useless
 
11:30 AM
I have an idea in the pipeline which I intend on making, but it would require a couple more devs than just me. Open source, but would make money. Anyone interested?
 
@Wesabi yes be it a lightbox or a bug tracker
 
That way you guys could do something together which actually has some value
 
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i've been trying to do that since i started this room
 
you guys discuss, I'll be right back, going to buy some groceries ...
 
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no matter what
 
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11:32 AM
@Mr.Alien later mate
 
So, is there a private room to go to or something?
 
You want to make the world a better place? Write a timesheet application that doesn't suck.
Because there are none
 
I don't want to make the world a better place, I want to make fat stacks of cash while doing what I love. Which is coding and making fat stacks of cash.
 
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@TomW some team management softwares include those
 
And they're all a big pile of balls. Balls, balls everywhere
 
11:34 AM
@Wesabi seriously tho', I do have a solid idea. Interested in hearing it?
 
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lol
 
@k111ky most businesses use a timesheet system, and they'll pay an absolute unjustifiable fortune for boring shit connected to accounting. Being the only offering in the market that doesn't suck ought to make you a shoo-in
 
Yeah, not into timesheets, but what I have in mind is also a pretty decent thing.
 
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@TomW team management software + customer support + bug tracking, it's nearly the same application
 
Yeah, bundling them together seems to make the end result terrible at everything
we use TeamForge and it's garbage
 
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11:37 AM
but if we start doing something that big we are not going to make it
 
I've had meetings with a few european-wide translation agencies and they're on board to making the thing I'm planning, which means the only thing left to do is to actually make it.
 
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unless we find at least a couple of programmers more
 
it even manages to screw up Jenkins, and all it has to do for that is load it in an iframe
and it messes that up
 
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lol, iframes, sounds like a mess indeed
 
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@TomW do you php?
 
11:39 AM
nope
 
bleh, you guys don't want a decent idea so be it.
 
the hate seems to be evenly distributed between php and java around here, I've never touched it for that reason
 
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php is the world's most used server side language
 
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it is good for 99.9% of websites
 
good for what % of programmers?
 
11:41 AM
the ones with nerves made out of titanium
 
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99.9% of programmers who actually know how to use it
 
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most of programmers just think it's cool complaining about it, but the actual problem is who writes the code
 
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you can't blame php for wordpress. just for example. it's not php's fault :D
 
Yea but you need nerves of titanium to get to to the stage of knowing it as much to not write it horribly, because apparently learning it is a challenge on its own with so many people just brutally hating it and being assholes in general.
 
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@k111ky don't you need the same knowledge for other languages as well?
 
11:45 AM
Depends. JS is a lot easier to learn since people aren't such douchebags in that community.
 
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haha. are you, just saying, talking of the php room of SO?
 
That's an example, yes
and on freenode/#web I've seen way too many times how a person comes asking a legitimate question about PHP and all said person gets for response is "ewww, PHP"
 
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lol, yeah there are some douchebags there xDD but there are also nice guys
 
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@k111ky you should know the person's background to know if their opinion matters
 
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brb 1'
 
11:49 AM
Yes, but every "newbie" doesn't know that. A newbie finds a resource of help, which often is recommended by someone and then gets no help but hate from said resource - which results in said person not wanting to learn said language. Community matters.
And those who do get pass that stage are equal to soldiers in afgan or somewhere, because as I said, you need nerves of titanium to actually be able to survive PHP community.
 
That's basically why I'm still pretty windows-oriented
Every time I try to use anything with its roots in the *nix universe, either of two things happens:
 
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- RTFM
 
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- RTFM AGAIN
 
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- STFU
 
- the documentation on the project site is wrong
- googling for how to do something brings back irrelevant drivel and no solution
Getting familiar with Node has had reasonable success, however. That doesn't give a rat's what you run it on.
 
11:53 AM
These days I don't really care what all the elitist coders think of my code, I just write what works and which should by my biased brain be decent code. The thing with asking an opinion from an elitist coder is that each and everyone has a different one and results in different code - which means you have no idea which is the right way to do stuff and PHP nature being what it is, there are multitude of ways to do one thing.
 
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@k111ky problem is that php is very popular. for example we have @rlemon here that would do everything, helping noobs, answer stupid questions, sell his ass, to see his beloved Node.JS growing in popularity
 
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as opposed to that, php is popular already, and community is now tired to hear the same old questions
 
well half of the stuff comes down to people being lazy or too stupid to use google
but if you're tired of hearing the same questions, why hang around at a channel where people ask questions? Sounds kind of moronic, no?
 
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no, because they would like higher quality questions, like about OOP
 
I suppose it's self-fulfilling. I don't know PHP and am probably never going to, unless I have to support something written in it and there's nobody else available
If I only have that experience of it, I'm not going to like it, or care about using it well
New stuff gets good reviews because it's new and people work on it because they want to. Initially, there's a chance of high-quality stuff getting written
 
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11:59 AM
@TomW what other languages do you know?
 
Well whichever is the case, I love PHP for what it's worth.
 
C#, dabble in JS
used to use Fortran, not for years though
 
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