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12:00 PM
it won't, but maybe he'll remember the experience he had here and instead go to a big company that offers some training first
 
Xeo
klajsdklad. why can't I connect to my local http server now...
 
Raising skills after death requires dark and arcane powers.
 
a lot of such companies advertise their positions in colleges so he should be able to
 
I'd be worried about that, especially if he wasn't able to learn during those 9 months
Oh okay
Anyway... Back to startups vs corpo
Why should I NOT work in a small company?
 
@Xeo Brückentag for you?
@BartekBanachewicz Small company != startup.
 
Xeo
12:01 PM
nope, at work
 
@rmf assume I mean both
 
Someone once told me a startup is a company whose business model consists of hoping to be bought out by a larger company.
 
@BartekBanachewicz then assume I'm not going to answer this misstated and confused question
 
@BartekBanachewicz but that was startups vs corpo :D well, my only con for startups, so I'm kinda done
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes sounds about right
 
12:02 PM
A small company is just a small company.
 
Okay, so this one is a startup
So the risk of basically failing is the biggest thing, I guess
 
I guess climbing corporate ladders doesn't matter to you?
 
OTOH I don't have kids or anything like that
If it fails, I'll move elsewhere
 
@BartekBanachewicz typically much less career progression scope
 
Yeah, and given that risk, startups are likely to have more pressure to deliver, with all the stuff that results in like overtime and so on.
 
12:03 PM
though you just do that by bouncing around different firms in the early days anyway
 
Mhm... So I could be stuck as a "developer"
 
I personally prefer a small company, because you get to know everyone faster and it is a closer knit group.
 
leaving what happened to my colleague aside, the biggest turnoff for me regarding startups is the absence of corporate ladders (obviously)
 
In coorporate I feel too much of just a number in the large machine
 
user1804599
WTF.
 
12:06 PM
Wednesday-Thurday-Friday?
 
user1804599
They're suing someone for selling Mein Kampf. :|
 
Who is suing?
 
copyright issues? I guess it wasn't...
their kampf!
YEEAAAAAAAH
 
12:06 PM
In Germany the state of Bavaria owns the copyright for Mein Kampf and doesn't license it to anyone.
Pretty simple way of censoring it without writing it into law.
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion Government.
 
@rightfold Which one?
 
user1804599
Dutch.
 
user1804599
Government shouldn't be allowed to own any copyright.
 
(Though since Dolfie died in 1945, the copyright expires next year)
 
12:09 PM
do books become public domain when copyrights expire?
 
@rightfold They do the same as the state of Bavaria.
 
@AlexM. I suppose so
> Works in the public domain are those whose intellectual property rights have expired,[1] have been forfeited,[2] or are inapplicable.
 
@BartekBanachewicz That they didn't ask many questions.
 
in tolkien's case then, the copyright is owned by the tolkien estate, and is... renewed?
or does it have some huge copyright duration, that individuals can't apply for?
 
@AlexM. Copyright protection for pre-1978 works is for 28 years plus an optional renewal term of 67 years.
So The Hobbit will enter the public domain in 2032. The Lord of the Rings was published in 1955 or so, so it will enter the public domain in 2050.
 
12:12 PM
and there's nothing the estate can do to keep copyright?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Aren't those dates counted from the death of the author?
 
You can't magically keep it forever, no.
@R.MartinhoFernandes no?
 
I mean I guess if their copyright goes to hell, so will their income based on those books
 
well, depends
> In most of the world, the default length of copyright is the life of the author plus either 50 or 70 years. In the United States, the term for most existing works is a fixed number of years after the date of creation or publication. Under most countries' laws (for example, the United States[39] and the United Kingdom[40]), copyrights expire at the end of the calendar year in question.
in no case is it "counted from the death of the author", but it could be said to if you add his age at the time to the total, and you're not in the US or UK.
 
Xeo
// Warning: The constant was not initialized.
for each (const xml : XML in langs.(@name == language))
//        ~~~~~~^~~
 
12:15 PM
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Q: beginner game development...take me out of my misery

user3027066I know this question has been asked several times over and over again but the replies i see are not sufficient in my mind. Considering everybody's different opinions, it just gets really confusing... so here i go , trying to make this as clear as possible. How does someone LEARN to develop mobi...

 
Xeo
AS3, wat.
 
> take me out of my misery
lol
 
We have this code for checksum calculation. Does anyone know if the sum sequences (like sum += data[0];) allow/prevent the compiler to perform certain optimizations?
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked y u no loop
 
user1804599
Or std::accumulate. Even better.
 
12:16 PM
Stack Overflow is not a forum or chat room or message board, "you guys". As a practical hint to help you with your career plans, learning to read documentation for the technologies and tools that you use (for example, this website's FAQ) would be a bloody good start. — Lightness Races in Orbit 49 secs ago
 
Xeo
unrolled loop
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I don't think adding the author's age works. It's the age of the work. I.e. publishing something on the day of your death at 75yo doesn't give an extra 75 years of protection.
 
" // UB, but target CPU explicitly allows this. (and we may assume data is aligned)" - lol
 
> i always try to jump into C++ right off the bat. I figured, it could take a while to deeply understand it(months?), but will be rewarding once i do.
 
@ScarletAmaranth Someone doesn't understand UB.
 
12:18 PM
@rightfold I have a simple loop implementation which is much slower. (The manual unrolling does make a big difference here.)
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes where Someone = @StackedCrooked
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you don't!
 
UB is not about CPUs.
 
@StackedCrooked std::accumulate aka. retarded fold should unroll auto-magically for RA sequences
 
4 mins ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
> In most of the world, the default length of copyright is the life of the author plus either 50 or 70 years. In the United States, the term for most existing works is a fixed number of years after the date of creation or publication. Under most countries' laws (for example, the United States[39] and the United Kingdom[40]), copyrights expire at the end of the calendar year in question.
So, yes, it does.
 
12:19 PM
It doesn't need a religion.
It's already a cult
 
... which I find utterly retarded. That article must be wrong ;)
 
user1804599
@sehe I know why the Facebook avatars don't work for me, by the way.
 
user1804599
Ghostery. :P
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I would go with open to misinterpretation.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Oh. I thought for a moment they meant the "length of the copyright notice in lines" to be age + 50~70
 
12:19 PM
I think it means "is the remainder of the life of the author", not "the total duration of the author's life at the time of his death"
@sehe yeah 'sactly -.-
 
I read "the life of the author + some years" as "while the author is alive and a few years after".
 
@rightfold security/logged-on ness? AdBlock?
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked Boost.PP loop!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Exactly.
 
oh fuck, half of my messages aren't being submitted again
FOR FUCK'S SAKE CHAT
 
user1804599
12:20 PM
1 min ago, by rightfold
Ghostery. :P
 
I can't tell unless I open a new chat tab and check
 
1 message moved to bin happy to oblige - "Fuck off"
 
@Jefffrey months, huh
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes "I agree", I said at the time, invisibly.
 
> With that said, what should i do in order for this to work for me? Right off the bat just tell me if jumping into C++ is a good idea and whether i need to actually sit there learning all that crap with numbers and messages i stated before.
 
12:21 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol, ok.
 
in any case, he definitely needs to study assembly first, it's the only language real game programmers use
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@sehe sexist!
 
> all that crap
 
it's all assembly; the rest is just a macro
 
@chmod711telkitty hey, I'm not the pig there
 
12:21 PM
@AlexM. :lol: "deeply"
 
I think the biggest game that I know of to have been completely programmed in assembly is the first rollercoaster tycoon
 
@rightfold I don't understand due to ":P"
 
the dev must have been crazy
 
well you can be other types of sexist ... the un-pig-like sexist
 
user1804599
@sehe ok :P
 
12:22 PM
@chmod711telkitty yay. thank you so much. No, where do I sign up for a crash course
 
user1804599
 
@Jefffrey before coming here I thought C++ was too huge to try to learn in its entirety; now I think C++ is too huge.
I keep following links from here and most of the time I'm like "what is this"
 
give it few more years :)
 
fucking ass ... not the other way round :x
 
@ScarletAmaranth Anyway, it isn't UB. /cc @StackedCrooked.
 
12:26 PM
I was about to agree with some comment, true but rather abrupt, on SO, then realised that clever and rather abrupt point was made by me.
 
Xeo
hahahahaha
12 mins ago, by Xeo
// Warning: The constant was not initialized.
for each (const xml : XML in langs.(@name == language))
//        ~~~~~~^~~
AS3 transforms that and moves const xml to the top of the function, internally (it does that with all variable declarations)
 
@thecoshman that's happening to me more and more :(
 
Xeo
and the warning leaks from that internal transformation
 
I'll try to upvote some snarky cunt's answer on an old question, and get the message that you can't upvote your own posts
 
Xeo
but there's no warning, that you can't reassign to const (which I would rate as an implementation detail)
And then, at runtime: [Fault] exception, information=Illegal write to local const xml
Thx Flash ♥
 
12:29 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit exactly :P
... I don't like how alike we seem some times @LightnessRacesinOrbit ಠ_ಠ
 
Oh dammit. 11 July is not a week ago.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes your master of time is quite amazing.
 
Xeo
So is your mastery of English. :P
 
That explains why the delivery seemed to be delayed for so long.
facepalm
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit happens to me >:
 
12:32 PM
@Xeo I was making a point, obviously
 
faster at emitting an error, yeah
 
@StackedCrooked The intermediate sums are begging to be vectorized.
 
iTunes' site thinks I'm swedish
this is a first
 
@DeadMG Does the commented-out code not allow vectorization?
 
12:37 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Never happens to me. I have a good memory.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Or you write posts that even you don't find worthy of upvoting
 
@StackedCrooked It does, but it seems a little less obvious.
intuitively I'd say that the optimizer should be able to optimize the first into the second because sum is a local, so there's no aliasing questions, and it's not atomic or volatile so there's no problem with re-ordering.
 
@DeadMG AFAIK a + b + c + d prevents parallelism due to operator logics. However, I wonder if a sequnce of s += a; s += b; s += c; ... also imposes some restriction over the nested logic from my example.
 
@StackedCrooked No, there's no problem here.
because sum is local, not aliased, and non-volatile/non-atomic, the compiler should be pretty free to do all sorts of crazy shit with it.
 
@StackedCrooked Unsigned addition is associative and commutative. There's no reason to prevent parallelism.
 
12:44 PM
yes, it's only when you're dealing with floats that strange things can happen and the compiler has to be conservative.
 
So the nested sums don't help (and likely limit the compiler's freedom to optimize)?
 
Check generated code? ;)
 
nah, the nested sums shouldn't make any difference.
the optimizer has the same freedom in both loops.
 
I haven't been in here for days, I'm not here to troll people anymore I just have one question.
 
it's probably just a bad case in the GCC optimizer.
 
12:46 PM
@DeadMG Yeah, but it needs both the freedom and the smarts :P
 
If I use fstream, do only the parts of the file that I stream in get loaded into the memory, or does it have to load the entire file into the memory if I'm doing random access.
 
by the way, I figured I'd reply to that Microsoft guy looking for VC++ employees
 
good idea
 
worst case is that he ignores me and I figure that working on Wide is uniquely relevant.
 
ganbatte puppy
 
12:48 PM
ganbatte?
 
@AaronKyleKilleen No, it doesn't have to (and usually won't) load the whole file into memory if you're doing random access.
 
@DeadMG good luck
 
Xeo
"go for it", "fight-o"!
 
tho literally it's something like "do your best"
 
Xeo
that kinda thing
 
12:49 PM
I guessed something like that through context
 
@Xeo yeah or that
 
@JerryCoffin thanks
 
too much anime subs for me then lol
 
Xeo
12:51 PM
Well, it has the same feeling
so it's not really wrong
"good luck" is just a lot more common in English than "go for it!" or something like that
 
did anyone try this btw? textfugu.com
I took a look at the first chapter (the one that's free) and it looks easier to get than my 5 yo manual that's written by a Romanian
 
I like "Always Getting Updates" as an alternative spelling of "it's still incomplete".
 
Xeo
@AlexM. Nope
 
the summary seemed to list the most important bits, but yeah that can also be understood as not yet complete and/or lacking in the existing content
 
Xeo
And I'm quite happy with my Japanese from Zero books, tbh
 
12:54 PM
@rightfold how does Foo = bar(), {fuck} work in erlang? does that do 'bar()` and then set Foo to {fuck}?
 
@Xeo I like how there's a manga character on the cover
 
what if I tweak it to Foo = bar(), %{fuck} (the added '%')
 
I wonder what they'd put on books about our language
pics of places in Romania
well that's kinda average
oh there's one cover with our traditional style of easter eggs on it
better than a pic of some trees
painting eggs like that takes tons of patience, which is why mostly old people in remote villages still do it
 
you can't read the subtext for shit.
 
12:59 PM
you can barely even see that there is subtext.
 
Xeo
> TextFugu looks at kanji very differently - we use mnemonics, spaced repetition systems, and a special ordering that will get kanji into your long-term memory faster than you even thought possible. If you've studied kanji the "traditional" in the past way you'll immediately notice the difference.
lol, sounds exactly like anki/RtK style
"very differently" indeed
 
yeah they kinda boasted about how their hiragana isn't "just learn these by heart" but when it came to learning hiragana, it was "yeah these two characters are related. sorry, you'll have to learn the rest by heart"
it was still better than my book which is like "here's a table. here's stuff in it used in sentences. good luck."
 
Xeo
JfZ introduces one kana-row per chapter
has tons of writing exercises
and encourages you to write the answers to questions in the exercises with the kana you already know
 
Xeo
I personally learned my kana long before I picked up the book, but writing them over and over again really makes them stick, especially style-wise
 
1:03 PM
Oh fucking yawn
CANT HAVE CRITICISM NO
EVERYBODY WINS
 
Tomalak commenting on YouTube. You are truly lost, son.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what happened with the interview last night?
 
This is a completely different question. (The error message indicates you're now trying to do invalid things with the mpl lists). Please post this as a new question instead — sehe 6 secs ago
(Oh by the way, since this is not even an answer, I flagged it as such. You can delete it yourself.). — sehe 6 secs ago
 
@AlexM. Why would anyone paint those eggs in such an elaborate way if they're just going to rot and have to be thrown out? We just dip them in dye, nothing quite so elaborate.
 
oh shit, it's AKK
I'm not even going to answer that question
then again, it might make people think we keep rotten eggs around; no, most of the eggs that are painted that way are kept for decorative purposes and emptied of contents first
we call them "oua incondeiate" which literally means something like "eggs painted with the pen" and by pen I mean this
most museums dealing with our past and traditions have at least some of these eggs shown, they're pretty representative of our culture
> Watch Dogs "E3 2012" mod can have damaging effect on gameplay, says Ubisoft
yeah, sure
long story short: some guy found hidden settings that were not enabled by the developers, which downgraded the game's visual quality
my guess is they did that so the PC version didn't look vastly superior to the PS4 and Xbone versions
 
1:28 PM
oh I see, they drain them first
 
yeah, but easter eggs are eaten quite fast, so it's safe to assume only those meant for decorative purposes remain after easter's done
households with less time available (read: almost all households in today's world) prefer a quick way to paint eggs, which is what you said, dipping them in paint
sometimes they place various leaves on the eggs, for extra effects
 
@TonyTheLion it was just a chat with a recruiter
lemme quote the only interesting bit
 
oh right
 
20 hours ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
insert before all of that: well the recruiter was quick to backpedal my £60k mutterings with things like "well I think usually a company would tend to do a review after a few months rather than start someone off at a higher salary; would you be potentially flexible to that sort of scenario?"
20 hours ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
no point thinking about this further until (unless) I get to interview, though
 
ah I see
 
1:32 PM
20 hours ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
dreading the inevitable algorithms shit
 
makes sense
 
your face is inevitable algorithms shit
 
> I want you all to know this flight attendant deserves respect and admiration for making this flight the best one I've ever been on. There will be zero tolerance for any negative comments and will be promptly removed. He deserves only positive feedback
lol
what the fuck is wrong with these people
who are you to decide what kind of feedback he should get? and what's meaningfully positive about any of it if you can't see the contrasting stuff?
 
if my face were to be inevitable algorithms shit I'd like for it to be inevitable Aho Corasick algorithms shit
 
lol, having fun on a flight.
 
1:39 PM
I really enjoyed a flight once
it had plush leather seats, five-seat centre columns, and barely anyone onboard so I could recline entirely backwards and stretch out for two seats either side of my own, whilst watching movies with my noise-cancelling headphones. plus the food was good
I was genuinely smiling when I got up to leave
like a cinema but comfier
 
I know a guy who looks at funny stuff on the web all the time and tries to silence his laugh, ignorant of the fact that he makes the most annoying of sounds while doing so
and also of the fact that EVERYONE ELSE in the fucking building is noisy and laughing like crazy when they see funny shit
much to my annoyance
I wish everyone in the world was a bunch of depressed sad fucks like I am
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argharhga i hate people who constantly ask "so is anything happening <tonight/this weekend/etc>"
 
I've gotten to the point where I think that if someone is happy they must either be faking it or be completely unaware of anything that may cause worry in their life
 
MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN YOURSELF YOU LIMEY IRRITATING FART
 
> warning C4800: 'uint64_t' : forcing value to bool 'true' or 'false' (performance warning)
I had almost forgotten about this.
 
Xeo
1:51 PM
hehe
 
performance warning.
 
@AlexM. You are not depressed. :D
 
Outputting this message on the windows console I/O system will slow down your compiles.
 
> Casting the expression to type bool will not disable the warning, which is by design.
 
@Jefffrey well at least nobody doubts me being a sad fuck
 
1:52 PM
"fucking stupid by design"
 
Xeo
bool(val) vs val > 0
dunno, latter seems clearer
 
@AlexM. or they decided that the little things that might cause worry are not worth the pain :P
 
More importantly, I don't fucking care because it's not my code :(
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes double exclamation mark is the standard workaround.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes hehehe
 
1:53 PM
@rubenvb No. It's != 0.
 
@AlexM. Welp. Maybe you are really depressed then.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well, both work.
 
Xeo
I personally never write if (integral) anyways
I like being explicit about my truthiness
 
@Xeo so -1 is false? :P
 
@Xeo It's (bool)integral...
 
Xeo
1:53 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes same for that
@ArneMertz uint
 
@Xeo until some day you redefine the type to signed and fuck up the condition...
 
> If you cannot rewrite the expression to use type bool, then you can add "!=0" to the expression, which gives the expression type bool.
I like how they assume you can change all the code for which this piece of crap gives warnings.
 
if (0 != val) it is. FTW Yoda conditions...
 
fuck Yoda conditionals.
 
not swear you must
 
Xeo
1:57 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes The cast to bool is both longer and less clear. Why do people do that?
 
what, I must swear? that I can fucking do
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Romania's BitDefender (antivirus company) uses yoda conditionals because (quoting someone quoting them)
"It makes it impossible to write things like if (val = 0)"
 
@Xeo Fuck if I know.
C++ programmers are too dumb.
 
Xeo
I don't think this is restricted to C++ programmers
 
The tools match up, though.
 
1:58 PM
@AlexM. "We will make our code ugly and readable, because our programmers are bad."
 
that's what I thought too
a colleague of mine went to a training at them and I was like "huh"
 
Oh ffs.
VS doesn't support unrestricted unions yet?
 
it's in 14 CTP , I think
 
@Xeo I lol'd at #11
 

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