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1:00 PM
:)
@Leri I would have totally approved that one :P
 
@rdlowrey That's increasingly likely to happen, particularly if the Brazil world-cup turns out to be a massive shit show. Btw do you guys also fancy hosting the olympics?
 
@Danack Fuck off with those big events
They only cost money
:)
 
But they give so much opportunity ......for corruption.
 
aki
@Naruto Well, now you're hurt, but when you will become a team leader/Manager/CTO/CEO/Boss and so on, this kind of things help a lot.
 
user895378
"Hey drive your whole country into debt to build all this stupid infrastructure that you will only need for a couple of weeks."
 
1:03 PM
Ow wait. murica just runs the presses again
 
user895378
And these things are almost entirely funded by taxpayers ... it's a little ridiculous.
 
user895378
Also, does anyone under the age of 40 really care about the Olympics anymore?
 
@aki @Naruto I believe in knowing a little about a lot.
Specialize in what you like best, sure. But that doesn't excuse you from knowing some HTML, some CSS, some JavaScript, some IT, some DB modelling, etc.
 
@rdlowrey I care that it fucks up my TV schedule
 
aki
@SecondRikudo Couldn't agree more!
 
1:06 PM
@rdlowrey Not true (infrastructure that you will only need for a couple of weeks.). That infrastructure can be reused.
 
user895378
@DaveRandom INORIGHT
 
@Leri Yeah right. Just look at brazil...
 
user895378
@Leri Well, FWIW I spend a fair amount of time in Atlanta where they held the '96 Olympics and everything there except the main stadium as been an abandoned eyesore for years.
 
user895378
So my perception is colored by that reality. It may not be the case everywhere, though.
 
vote for "buzzwords" (by clicking on the bubble)
 
1:08 PM
@Leri They can only be re-used after you spend even more money converting them from olympic design to sensible design, e.g. no swimming pool needs 20,000 seats around it.
 
@bwoebi when did you last build 5.4 ?
 
And fuck velodromes.
 
that's pretty odd ... why is ast being mentioned in 5.4 :s
 
@Danack I read that as "And fuck voldemort."
 
Basically, got your point and it's pretty hard to disagree.
But humans have wrong priorities. sigh
 
1:10 PM
 
@PeeHaa Lies
 
user895378
Yeah, most problems can be traced back to: "humans ..." sigh
 
Lustanian's mother cannot be getting 0%.
 
@JoeWatkins error upon checkout?
 
1:11 PM
:P
 
nope
 
@PeeHaa Done
 
@JoeWatkins git branch says you PHP-5.4? well… then try git checkout -- Zend/zend_language_parser.y
 
user895378
@DaveRandom How much 5.6 TLS documentation stuff do you have done (re: this) and are there specific things I can help with? I know it's a ton of stuff to document. Also, this morning I realized that the migration guide only scratches the surface of the changes so that's something I likely need assist on as well.
 
yeah
same
 
user895378
1:12 PM
The docs work for the 5.6 is pretty daunting for one person (part of why I've shied away from it so far).
 
@JoeWatkins git.php.net/?p=php-src.git;a=blob;f=Zend/… I don't see any mention of ast here…
there's definely something wrong with your git
 
I can't find any in the file either :s
 
is your repo a copy?
 
@SecondRikudo \o/
 
and you didn't buildconf/configure first?
look at the path…
 
1:14 PM
but
[joe@localhost php-src]$ fgrep "do_use_function" Zend/*.c
Zend/zend_language_parser.c:    { zend_do_use_function(&(yyvsp[(1) - (1)]), NULL, 0 TSRMLS_CC); }
Zend/zend_language_parser.c:    { zend_do_use_function(&(yyvsp[(1) - (3)]), &(yyvsp[(3) - (3)]), 0 TSRMLS_CC); }
Zend/zend_language_parser.c:    { zend_do_use_function(&(yyvsp[(2) - (2)]), NULL, 1 TSRMLS_CC); }
Zend/zend_language_parser.c:    { zend_do_use_function(&(yyvsp[(2) - (4)]), &(yyvsp[(4) - (4)]), 1 TSRMLS_CC); }
yeah, distclean a few times too
do_use_function is later
 
try using a fresh git clone?
 
Your branch is up-to-date with 'origin/PHP-5.4'.
 
53 secs ago, by bwoebi
try using a fresh git clone?
...
 
takes forever to start again
 
1:16 PM
yeah, maybe your git is just messed up
 
@PeeHaa Refresh the page after voting... "are you sure you want to POST again"... mwahahaha
 
or you accidentally locally merged master into 5.4… just restart, that's really easier
 
:)
 
instead of wasting time discussing
 
@Jimbo lololol
 
1:17 PM
Lusitanian's mom is at 10%
 
checking for bison version... invalid
configure: WARNING: bison versions supported for regeneration of the Zend/PHP parsers: 1.28 1.35 1.75 1.875 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 2.4.1 2.4.2 2.4.3 2.5 2.5.1 2.6 2.6.1 2.6.2 2.6.4 (found: 2.7).
 
...
 
I used git.php.net folder I usually use for committing, and got that while trying to configure ...
 
so, you were locally using an old .c file
 
@Jimbo 20%
 
1:19 PM
must be, but I don't get that error from other directory
 
Now in the lead :D
 
@SecondRikudo lolwut
 
I hope they're not logging my IP :D
 
@Jimbo It's my work IP, IDGAF :D
25% :D
omg
Let's stop at 30 XD
 
I was going for 50
 
1:21 PM
You can continue to 51 if you want :D
I've a life
 
I don't :D To 50 it is!
 
30% acheived
You'll get to 49% and then the admins of the site will remove the option XD
And blacklist your IP address forever :D
 
this is why Lusitanian's mom can't have nice things
6
 
user895378
Hmm ... there are a few massively slow ratchet performance issues that should be fixed. There's no way anyone could be using it for very intensive applications based on those problems.
 
@rdlowrey I need to review what I've done, it's a while since I did any work on it and I've forgotten where I got up to. I know I need to ask you a few things but I have no idea what they are any more.
 
1:25 PM
@rdlowrey /me cries
 
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@DaveRandom Yeah my plan was just to go through all the things I added to the NEWS file one-by-one and make a list of all the manual pages that needed to be updated.
 
@SecondRikudo You blocked my ip didn't you :D
 
user895378
@Jimbo Meh, don't worry about it. I'll pass along advice/PRs to fix the perf issues just as soon as my own websocket stuff is usable :)
 
@Jimbo Due to reasons beyond our control. We cannot confirm nor deny any of the claims raised.
 
user895378
Due to reasons beyond our control national security
 
user895378
1:27 PM
And because terrorists.
 
> Thanks for your vote on Lusitanians Mom!
 
Haha
 
@rdlowrey That's basically what I was doing
 
user895378
@CarrieKendall -1 for not pinging the victim.
 
user895378
Chat Rule #42: always ping the joke target.
 
@SecondRikudo What % is it on?
 
@Jimbo 47
 
DAMNIT
 
Keep at it
 
49%
 
1:34 PM
@rdlowrey you're just jealous of my star count, bro
 
50! I got @Lusitanian's mom to 50%!
I need to sort my life out!
 
user895378
Truth burn: called out for my ★ envy :(
 
<input type="submit" name="voteOnThisIsAnAttemptAtChangingTheFormLengthMaxFrom20To80Characters" >
No server-side validation!? Shame!
 
symfony2 form might actually generate that
 
@Jimbo That page is epicly bad, there a bunch of duplicated element IDs as well
 
1:41 PM
@Jimbo you can stop now
52%
 
@SecondRikudo I have stopped, perhaps someone else is at it?
Trying to load your bit.ly link, which isn't loading
 
Let's make a POST bot :D
 
@SecondRikudo speling fail /cc @PeeHaa
 
@SecondRikudo for (...) { // xhr } is not a bot. :)
 
1:46 PM
@DaveRandom ?
Did I screw something up?
 
My middle name is screw-up
 
@PeeHaa No I think Madara is screwing with me
Right, so who knows their shit with composer then?
 
tag @Danack
 
ping @Danack
 
Vasily, one ping only.
 
1:52 PM
Oh he changed it to a ping, sorry
 
>8D
 
What's the q.......and there's a 50% chance the answer is don't use packagist.
 
So @Danack I have this bridge library for Alert and React. There are slight variations depending on which version combination of those two libs you are using, so I want to create multiple releases.
 
Shoop-a-loopin' us a logo.
 
@DanLugg Noice
PR it to the room's repo as favico.ico
 
1:56 PM
If I put a composer.json in each release with require version constraints for the things they are applicable to, and people using it just put * in their composer.json for the version of my lib, will it figure out which release of my lib to install by itself based on the versions of Alert/React that are installed?
(I'm guessing no)
 
@DaveRandom :17114085 Yeah......that's going to be tricky. Composer really doesn't play well with subtly renamed forks/branches. Having multiple composer.json files won't work at all, as composer only looks in the default branch for the composer.json. So it won't be able to find the other composer.json.
 
Fellas, need arguments against storing a serialized object(s) string into database
4
 
Can you not just put both bridge versions in one repo and just give them different namespaces?
 
Would appreciate a star/pin on that to make it more visible ^ Thanks :P
 
@SecondRikudo Indexability
 
1:59 PM
@DaveRandom Other than that, I think you'll need to have two completely separate repos, with the appropriate composer.json file in each, to allow Composer to resolve the dependencies automatically.
 
@SecondRikudo no, browsers display that as 16x16 and that's too small. for this image.
 
@Danack hmmm, maybe... let me think about it
 
@bwoebi Try
Often it looks better than you might think.
 
Nah, it wouldn't scale well.
 
@DanLugg Try
 
2:00 PM
Did
 
@Danack Well that shouldn't be necessary, at worst I can just say "lookup which version to install based on the versions you are running" and put a table in the readme
 
@SecondRikudo tried, you even cannot read the PHP logo
 
Any more arguments?
 
32x32 is tolerable
But you can't read "Room 11"
 
@DaveRandom Yeah, I meant to allow Composer to resolve which version to install automatically. btw you can force Composer to install a fork preferentially, by listing it as a repo in the projects composer.json.
"repositories": [

    {
        "type": "vcs",
        "url": "https://github.com/Danack/Auryn"
    }
],
 
2:03 PM
@SecondRikudo -.- <imagine not sure if... meme>
 
@Leri Arguments against storing serialized strings in MySQL
Not about the logo :P
 
@SecondRikudo I am referring exactly that. :)
 
@Danack basically I think if it's not easily doable I just won't bother. I'm just going to see how feasible it is to put the whole thing into one release and figure it out at run time. Is it possible to extract which versions of libs are installed at run time?
 
@Leri So I don't understand why the meme
 
I might be able to do it with reflection since it's about API changes but there's at least one thing I won't be able to detect without a version num
 
2:06 PM
@SecondRikudo Because I can't really understand if you are trolling or you want it seriously.
 
@Leri I want it seriously
I'm in an argument and drawing a blank
 
@DaveRandom I don't know - you could look at doing a post install script thingy - getcomposer.org/doc/articles/scripts.md
still sounds like hassle though.
 
1. If you change object interface once you already have serialized data in database, you are pretty much f*ed up.
2. Performing sql search is impossible.
3. Column that holds serialized string can't be indexed (technically, can but pointless).
4. You couple database with php.
5. If I am given that table, I will find you and kill you when you don't expect.
@SecondRikudo Enough reasoning? ^
 
Yes, thanks
 
@Leri You had me at "change object interface"
 
2:12 PM
@Danack Sounds complicated, I think I'll just make people figure out which version they need for themselves
tnx
 
np.
 
Just throwing it out there, CBoden who wrote React / Ratchet is cool, third time now I've had a Q about the lib and he responded on twitter within minutes
 
@cspray I thought the same.
 
I've also worked in some databases that store serialized strings and it is just no fun. I may not kill you but I will want to slap you upside your head.
 
<--- Proud new owner of fab.ninja (no there's nothing there yet).
 
2:17 PM
ninja… top-level domain names
 
FTR php.plumbing is available
 
@bwoebi + 50 more non-sense domains.
It was more fun when you had to be creative.
 
.ninja is awesome though.
 
Does everyone else see 23.99 shekels as well?
 
2:18 PM
No .pirate though
Wonder why :X
Yeah @SecondRikudo
 
I wish it was true though XD
 
I imagine a lot of those .photography will go soon enough
 
Considering it's 2014; "$classRefl->hasMethod('__construct')" or "$classRefl->getConstructor() instanceof ReflectionMethod"?
 
@SecondRikudo All the wolframalpha.com/share/…
 
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@Jimbo Don't know if you saw it but @DaveRandom has the alert-react-bridge working nicely so that you'll soon be able to use artax with ratchet <3
 
2:25 PM
@rdlowrey Yeah I've been watching... until it's done I'll be typehinting for Artax\Client, so should be able to switch it over easily. Thing I need to understand is, how does using it change what I need to do (ie waiting for the response etc)
 
@DanLugg $classRefl->getConstructor() !== null
that instanceof thing is ridiculous, but there are still libs in common usage with java-style constructors
 
user895378
@Jimbo You'll need to use Artax\AsyncClient instead of Artax\Client but don't worry too much about it. I really am going to massively update artax within the next couple of weeks and it will be much more user-friendly for non-blocking async things.
 
@DaveRandom well, instanceof, or !== either way.
 
btw @rdlowrey the cookie example doesn't work. It runs fine, but the request strings that are output have no cookies. I've not yet tried to work out whether that's because the cookie plugin is broken or Google are simply not sending any for whatever reason
 
@DaveRandom Shouldn't we petition for deprecation?
 
user895378
2:29 PM
I dunno, I'd just have to look at it
 
user895378
 
good mornings
 
@DanLugg Probably. They no longer work when using namespaces anyway
 
Really? Didn't know that...
 
@rdlowrey yeh no worries, it doesn't matter to me atm, just letting you know
 
2:30 PM
@DaveRandom I got cookies working.. it adds cookie strings as key=value right? I needed it working for that TorrentPHP stuff as deluge requires cookies for authentication
 
3v4l.org/A1nag They appear to work, or am I not breaking it properly?
 
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@iroegbu morning
 
> As of PHP 5.3.3, methods with the same name as the last element of a namespaced class name will no longer be treated as constructor. This change doesn't affect non-namespaced classes.
 
2:32 PM
yo
 
yo
 
@DaveRandom that's called PHP4-style.
 
@bwoebi C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!
 
@DanLugg oh. That wasn't intentional.
 
2:33 PM

The day @bwoebi blew it.

1 min ago, 42 seconds total – 6 messages, 5 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked 3 secs ago by Dan Lugg

:-P
 
@bwoebi whatevs, everyone knows what I mean :-P
 
What is the difference between * and ** in gitignore again?
 
@DaveRandom no, I had to think a few seconds until I remembered what Java-style was…
 
@Danack thoughts on using vendor/composer/installed.json to do it?
 
one of those, is one star (*)
the other is two stars (**)
the difference is the same, wherever location
also, no idea ...
 
2:36 PM
@Fabien ** is recursive
 
heh Joe
Cheers @DaveRandom
 
user895378
From now on I'm going to post-fix the following to all of my git advice a-la @JoeWatkins ...
 
user895378
> also, no idea ...
 
@DaveRandom Dunno - if you are going to do it programatically, the post-install script is the place to do it. And the event should give you access to the Composer object as it's running, and I would have hoped you could get the exact versions installed from that, rather than hacking around with that json file. btw you may be better off asking Igorw.
 
So many tlds.
 
@Danack would do but he never comes in here any more and I cba with twitter and I don't know any other means to contact him
 
@SecondRikudo LOL, Georgia is missing.
/me wants to leave this country, asap
 
ass.surgery
 
@Leri Who needs Georgia when you have .porn?!
 
2:46 PM
@DaveRandom just link the conversation here on twitter to him?
/like yoda speak, yes?
 
@SecondRikudo Wasn't .xxx supposed to blanket that?
 
@SecondRikudo :D :D
 
There's a .indians? Can I haz stackoverflow.indians?
 
@DanLugg Nope, but there's stack.exchange
 
@DanLugg ten.little.indians
 
2:49 PM
sitting.in-a.tree
k.i.s.s.i.ng
 
First comes arranged marriage, then comes 100 unintelligible stackoverflow questions
:D /me jokes, of course
 
php.community yours for only £148.44
 
watch out, i hear that community has a virus going around, assholicitus
highly contagious :]
 
@salathe internals.php.community should just be a page with an <audio /> of an elephant brawl on the Serengeti.
 
2:57 PM
Well, I'm sad that we don't own .php top-level domain…
 
@salathe php.plumbing is a lot cheaper.
 
@Fabien lol
php.pro is sadly taken
 
I'm surprised Google hasn't picked up google.glass
 
@DanLugg Google already own all the domains and the internet in general.
 
@SecondRikudo I'm surprised google.glass doesn't take you to a page about Google glass.
 
3:02 PM
@DanLugg glass.google makes more sense.
 
I feel like jitfu.ninja should be a thing.
 
@bwoebi I agree because semantics, but having the unchanged product name as a domain would be good.
like ford.explorer reads better than explorer.ford
 
not really.
 
Yes, because marketing. No because semantics.
 
@Fabien goforit :D
 
3:06 PM
lol it's not my project.
 
@DanLugg even for marketing, not sure
 
@Fabien krakjoe.ninja is a thing ... she took the card off me tho ...
 
lol nice
 
I'm surprised that .chat is not a thing
 
There's a few that should be there imo but aren't. Wonder how these decisions are made.
 
3:17 PM
so, wamp ships with php5.5.12
 
I dunno if most/any wamp users that care about php version know what changed from <= 5.5
 
3:28 PM
I think mostly you need a bunch of money and lawyers to get a tld ...
it's not a small sum of money ...
 
been some hefty tld sales in the past
Some tiny family used to own apple.co.uk
It only went to apple a year or so ago, wonder what the story there was.
 
they will have got a bunch of money probably ...
who knew being an apple enthusiast would pay off before ieverything happened tho ...
 
icloud was a big sale.
It's one of my 'if I go back in time, how do I make my money' things.
 
wait, why would you need ways to make money if you could go back in time ??
surely that's worth a few bob ?
 
Well if you suddenly woke up 10 years ago and 10 years younger.
 
3:37 PM
well when you think about it ... which I seem to be doing ... that could have already happened ...
 
* and you could remember everything from the 10 years you seem to have gone back from.
 
Methods and properties can be referred to as "members"; what would be a suitable name for any top-level definitions, including classes, interfaces, functions, etc.?
Simply "definitions"?
@Fabien If you woke up 10 years younger, presumably you'd be absent of all this knowledge, and you'd say "An i-what?"
Well, 14 years ago at least.
 
Hence the memory clause above
 
lol, didn't read that part.
 
@JoeWatkins hmm?
 
3:46 PM
@bwoebi If you don't know, "bob" is also slang for "pounds"
 
The money kind. Not weight.
Giz us a few bob!
me ol' mucka!
 
It's something I associate with the cockney accent
 
I don't associate with those sorts. I'm from Oxford y'know.
 
I happen to know that isn't true
May 10 at 13:34, by Fabien
it hits close to home because I was born in Cardiff, Wales :P
 
:P well I spent most my life in Oxfordshire.
 
3:50 PM
@DaveRandom didn't know… My name isn't an alias, it's my name!
 
Did you also know Bob is short for Kate
 
hello i followed the following tutorial stackoverflow.com/questions/9860868/… and am able to play certain mp4 files,but large files dont play, i searched in google but unabe to find a solution
 
@Fabien You have to say "Bob" exactly as Blackadder says it :)
 
wets lips Bob...
 
hehe
 
3:55 PM
It's the starting B that makes it.
 
@bwoebi how do you do this color for the sigh?
 
@FlorianMargaine [meta-tag:foo] =>
 
@DaveRandom oh, thanks
 
can I embed answers on stackexchange on my site?
 
3:59 PM
 
@Mahesha999 that'd be a good feature request, actually
 

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