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12:00 AM
@BrandonGelfand MAX_FILE_UPLOADS in php.ini?
 
@reikyoushin It fluctuates, sometimes 20 files will go, sometimes 16, sometimes 19
 
@BrandonGelfand what does your phpinfo() say?
@BrandonGelfand then the file size?
 
@reikyoushin Nope, thought that to, did 56kb files and 300-500kb files
about the same results
 
man
such retards everywhere
 
@reikyoushin turns out, the host was overriding my php.ini file somehow..
 
12:08 AM
7 mins ago, by reikyoushin
@BrandonGelfand what does your phpinfo() say?
 
@reikyoushin Yeah thats how I figured it out
 
@BrandonGelfand shared hosting?
 
@reikyoushin Yes
I have my own VPS
but this is a clients
 
@BrandonGelfand congrats ;)
 
ty, gotta go finish the rest of this thing up
 
12:10 AM
can't you override it on cpanel or htaccess though?
 
yeah, I used htaccess
good to go now
 
@BrandonGelfand so it's fine now? cool
 
 
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2:07 AM
Dat new avatar.
 
 
3 hours later…
4:41 AM
nikic
hi
 
5:41 AM
hi
is there anyway to dynamically set CURLOPT_SSL_VERIFYPEER in curl by checking whether ssl is enabled?
 
6:19 AM
 
6:37 AM
@Fabien Well, things are getting weirder and weirder by the minute...
 
morning chaps ...
 
6:54 AM
Hey guys, I've got a question to see which way I should tackle a situation. Basically basically through php I'd like to sort of save a 4x 8 table to the google drive. It's basically a php page that i've created that has a table and nothing else, with strings inside each box. I'm not sure if I can basically print screen the page to pdf format and then upload the pdf file or directly upload to google drive the table itself as a pdf document.
I've already got the code to upload a pdf file to google drive done. But saving the table to a pdf file is a mystery to me. Or maybe it should be that we save the table directly to the drive instead of to my computer first and then to google drive. Does that make sense?
What do you guys suggest? :)
 
7:09 AM
Mornings
 
morning
 
@YaserSleiman what do you mean, like you got the data in a html table and want to upload that to google cloud as a pdf?
 
I have some question regarding email send through my server. i am sending email to gmail user account in header from address also xxx@gmail.com and sending through my server so user got mail but with warning phishing message. how should i Remove this phising message?
 
@RonniSkansing Yes exactly. I'm not sure if Google Drive is part of Google Cloud, but yeah the code i have checks if you're logged in to Gmail, then uploads a specific pdf from your computer to google drive.
 
anyone here with yii framwork and php
?
 
7:21 AM
@YaserSleiman so is the challange that you are having the upload of pdf or the html to pdf conversion part before the upload?
 
Morning
 
morning
 
@SecondRikudo Out already? Oooh. Will save for a period of boredom
 
(although my day is almost up)
 
Well I am off to work. Good codings
 
7:23 AM
mornings
 
@RonniSkansing The html to pdf conversion part before the upload and then saving that pdf on to my computer. Or if there's a way to directly put the pdf on to Google drive
 
@Nileshpatel make sure the domain's TXT records contain the IP of the server you are sending the mail from.. if you say your email is from @gmail.com and you are not gmail.com then it will warn the recipients of possible phishing stuff
 
@ErumHannan do you need yii or php ?
 
actually my target is to upload image in folder and save image name in db
but i am faield to do so my form on action always returning me
error "image cannot be null"
while i am uploading file in form
 
Good lord, woke up feeling crippled. Leg day was Monday but today I am ruined.
 
7:31 AM
@Fabien that's why sensible people have "leg day" on fridays =P
 
good mornings
 
@ErumHannan did you check if the file gets to the /tmp? Are you using mod_security? Are you sure that file is not larger then upload limit in php.ini?
 
googles for "leg day"
 
good mornings
 
@ircmaxell help me out here ...
 
7:38 AM
@Fabien Woke up feeling wide awake at 7:20, started work an hour early. Looks like we're having opposite days today :p
 
Good morning.
 
I skip leg day -.- until I see good gains in top day
 
internals are fucking dicks ...
 
Actually legs don't really need to be worked on that much, assuming you aren't sitting all day (which we all are).
Since your legs lift about 80~90kg of weight constantly everyday
 
7:45 AM
@JoeWatkins Course they are, Object[] // arrayOf syntax was a good idea
 
@Jimbo arrayOfarray?
 
pedantic git :P
 
morning
 
@PeeHaa :)
 
7:50 AM
@Fabien leg day is a stupid concept. Train them more than once a week and you won't get DOMS...
 
@SecondRikudo bullshit. When (not if) you start to gain weight, it will put additional pressure on your knees. If you haven't done anything, those knees will start hurting.
 
@tereško That's a different thing
Your leg muscles were by default made to withstand your own weight for most of the day.
It's not nature's fault that you weigh twice than it intended.
In that case, yes, you need to strengthen your muscles further.
 
@SecondRikudo What about being strong and healthy instead of doing the necessary minimum for a sedentary lifestyle ? :)
 
@salathe nope ... internals ruined my day already ... such a bunch of wankers at times ...
 
7:57 AM
hey joe
morning
10x for the advice last night
tested the thread pool
works pretty neat
 
cool ;)
 
but the biggest problem was that the guy who wrote the mapping had too much mistakes in there
so I rewrote it the was I showed you last night
and yeah it's like up to 10 times faster
for 2000 records it takes 0.45 instead of 4.95
if you think about it it's still slow but it's much better than the current one
 
morning all
 
@Patrick Strong and healthy are two different things
 
So, yeah Joe, I wanted to thank you, seems like you have contributed some pretty cool things to PHP for which I am grateful!
phpdbg is cool too
 
8:02 AM
Many athletes don't live longer than the average (read, they live shorter than the average)
 
@zigi fanx :D
 
@JoeWatkins Pierre !== internals, but I understand how that chat could be deflating!
 
@tereško can u please help me i am failed to do so
 
@SecondRikudo You mean we are going to die faster than the average? :P
 
still i am unable to valiadte my form and every time it comes in else block
 
8:05 AM
@Naruto That's right.
Just look a Gai.
@ErumHannan @tereško loves when people talk to him in broken English, keep it up!
 
lol
 
@salathe he's speaking so loudly Tyreal hears the voice of "about 10 devs" complaining ... I'm so annoyed about that, why don't they see they are being dicks ...
 
@reikyoushin mailchimp, basecrm and many other send mail From @gmail.com and to @gmail.com and sending form their own server. but got warn message.
 
I can't believe I got called out on fucking kittens, I mean, that's stupid ...
 
@SecondRikudo If you want to compare extremes, then compare them to superfat people... The statistics will look different for recreational athletes. But let's not get completely offtopic here :)
 
8:06 AM
@Nileshpatel maybe you are SMTP-ing to gmail using mailchimp, but not putting it as the "from:" value.. so in essence its still gmail sending them
 
@Patrick You're right. Extremes are not good for either side, pretty much never.
 
OR maybe they are whitelisted. unlike your "nobody" server.. that's why you need TXT records..
sorry, i keep saying TXT, but it's actually SPF records
@Nileshpatel check this..
:16766510 E_FIXED
=p
 
@reikyoushin E_OXYMORON
 
@SecondRikudo ikr :) it reads as "error fixed"
 
@JoeWatkins I missed that... kittens should be in every homepage news post!
 
8:28 AM
The following conversation I had with a colleague of mine:
Me: "Why aren't we using thread safe php?"
Colleague: "Cause SQL Server doesn't work with thread-safe driver."
Me: "That's not true it runs after versions 2005.", and I send him some links.
Colleague: "Yeah but I prefer Mircrosoft's driver, we have tried with other drivers and we have problems with the dates."
Me: "What kind of problems?"
Colleague: "Returns a DateTime object instead of string"
I am like *facepalm* at that point of the conversation
so we are using non thread safe cause he didn't know how to use ReturnDatesAsStrings => true in the connection options of the PDO
 
@reikyoushin thanks. maybe i need to set SPF or TXT. may be that one is helpfull for me..
 
@zigi what os you on (windows I assume, but just sql server nodes or windows based network or what?)
@salathe ;(
 
8:46 AM
what do you mean by windows based network?
My PC at work runs windows with Zend_Server, and all the code is on my machine, the dev server is running mssql and my php configuration is connected to the server DB
 
anyone here of php and yii ?
 
I haven't used zs, just a thought though ... it's not always a good idea to have a threaded frontend server ....
 
what are you referring to by saying "frontend server"
 
threads have a scalability problem, as I'm sure you know ... in addition it would be tempting to use threads at the frontend, where they should never be used ....
 
the local one
 
8:52 AM
I mean a public facing HTTP server, like apache, in worker mode
 
where does the scalability problem origin from
 
what I'm saying is, having a threaded installation is great, useful for this kind of thing, and probably a good idea to separate out front from backend anyway if you have more than one physical (or virtual I guess) machine ... but at the frontend, use the recommended setup of nginx/fpm and don't let the frontend website create threads in direct response to a request, ever ...
because of that ^
you have a limited amount of cores on which to execute threads, thread per client makes no sense, remember yesterday I said look at it with the inverse perspective, so you want clients per thread, in other words, a thread is only useful at the frontend if that thread is a non-blocking I/O thread so that there are client_s_ per thread and not client per thread ...
 
well if the server is spawning php-cgi processes for the clients but every client uses the 8 cores it should not be a problem I presume
 
the threading model of PHP is thread per client, so don't put that at the frontend because it will not scale ... use the threading model exposed to you by pthreads at the backend and have those processes communicating over the wire with frontend normal services ...
 
@Patrick Leg day isn't a stupid concept. Leg day exists because it's part of a balanced workout. I separate muscle groups for each day of the week so I don't have to spend 2 hours in the gym each time.
 
8:59 AM
well, that's what I understood, I have never had the idea to use separate core for each connection
 
of course all of this is only a problem at a particular point, it's a scale isn't it ... I'm not saying it doesn't work to create threads at the frontend, 8 per client, I'm saying there will come a point that such a design would become it's own bottleneck ... of course by that time you might be rich, and can hire me :D
 
@Fabien I do full body workouts (squatting 3x per week) and I am out of the gym in less than an hour (including shower) :) Separating upper/lower or push/pull/legs is fine if you squat at least twice a week. Less than that and you will get DOMS every time and your progress will be much slower
 
In my head it's a bit like this:
Multiple users can make multiple requests which causes for php-cgi processes to spawn on the server. Then for each process there is thread pool which utilizes all the cores. Which means that there might be two concurrent php threads both using pools of N threads where N is the number of cores.
 
@Patrick And what are your gym goals?
 
Morning.
 
9:04 AM
 
Oops, I was going in body builders room. :P
 
two is a number you picked out of the air, that part of the equation is unknown and is the number of clients, so in your system, T=Cl*8 Threads = Clients * 8, a more scalable solution is (always) Threads = Cores * Load, where load is variable and with a sensible default of ~1 ...
you can achieve this by separating out those parts that require concurrency into something we'll call the "backend", the backend is a process with one pool of threads (Cores * Load), communicating with everything else, which we'll call the "frontend" over some simple network protocol most probably (IPC), so the frontend can still be a fast nginx/fpm setup, without the overhead of a ZTS install, without temptating, and it will scale ... for as long as you can add hardware and design
the communications efficiently enough ...
 
@Fabien 2/3/4 plates on bench/squat/deadlift while adding 5-10kgs of lean mass. Getting close to both :)
 
@Patrick I bench squat and deadlift too, one the days that are appropriate to that muscle, but I keep my workouts down to ~40 minutes.
 
I gained pure 10 kg... of fat in 2 months. /me does not look in the mirror
 
9:11 AM
:P
 
@Fabien so you squat and deadlift on separate days? Then you are working legs twice anyways :)
 
"temptating" is not a word ... I meant temptation :D
 
haha yeah
I was wondering, but yes I understand better now
 
TL;DR Threads = Cores * Load
that ...
 
@Patrick Depends on the type of deadlift.
Straight leg deadlifts are part of leg day
 
9:15 AM
@Fabien What is your workout schedule? I really find it nearly impossible to get time for gym or swimming. :( Maybe you have some magic formula for organizing schedule. :Ь
 
@Leri lunch break? then eat in front of the computer after you are back in the office
 
Ok, thank you for the detailed information once more
 
there's one more thing ...
 
@Leri I go quite late. Get home, have dinner around 6pm. Head to the gym sometimes after 9:30pm. Get home by around 11 and shower then bed.
 
@Patrick Lunch break is 30 minutes, impossible to work-out in that time. i.e. no point.
 
9:17 AM
I try to go 4 times a week.
 
gist.github.com/krakjoe/6437782 I skipped this yesterday because you said you knew java, but I show that to everyone because it explains a few things you should know ... maybe give it a read, then your set ;)
 
@Leri yeah that's too short... Takes me an hour and the gym is pretty much next door. You don't have flexible hours? I thought that's quite common in IT.
 
@Fabien Yeah, but the problem with me is that I work on my start up plans at nights... Maybe, I find a gym that works 24 hour and workout in the morning.. /me will have no sleep anymore in that case
 
Mine is 24 hour
 
@Patrick I do but university takes quite large time from it.
 
9:20 AM
@Leri It's tough to fit in with your own work schedule but mostly you just need to force it. The hardest part about going to the gym is actually going.
 
so Joe, if you use nts php does that mean that for each concurrent request a separate process is spawned?
 
@Fabien Exactly! But I need to. I was quite active person swimming and all so my life now starts causing health problems now. I hurt my back already.
 
@Leri In that case I would recommend just after work. You might find it easier to concentrate after working out + a shower too
 
yes, but they persist, so that a single process over it's lifetime is used for multiple clients
shops brb
 
9:23 AM
@Leri It's a lot easier staying in shape than it is getting there. But you can spend the next 5 years thinking about how you should or simply do it within the next year. 1 year of sacrifice, just do it.
 
You don't even need to go to the gym
Buy some freeweights from argos and an exercise machine
 
@Patrick Fair point. If I find gym nearby I can go to the gym before getting home (however, these 2 months were awful.. I mean I was leaving from work at 1-2 am. Fixed one out already).
@Jimbo Home gym?
 
Hi everybody, can someone help me out with this: stackoverflow.com/questions/23907531/…
It seems that I have to use SESSIONS but I have never used them before..
 
Not a home gym really - just some stuff for your home
 
Goal dependant. But home gym is an option.
 
9:27 AM
I had a home gym in my garage for a while. It actually makes it harder to work out, you don't get the routine/habit going that you get from going to a gym. But if you do it, buy a power rack, a bench, an olympic barbell and weights. No fancy machines.
 
haha
@johnnyTrak
//Coger todos los campos del cupon
 
One day I will have a garage with a squat rack, free wights, bench and some misc like kettlebells/sledgehammer :)
 
I just have weights and an exercise bike, but it gives you so much more free time.
 
@johnnyTrak You have 2 options. 1. If that variable does not need to be secure, do calculations on clientside and confirm only when it has its final result. 2. use sessions. Since you use Joomla take a look at their relevant docs, however don't forget to read up on php manual at first, so you understand what is wrapped in Joomla.
@Patrick You could program personal trainer. :P
 
@Leri I am actually a really big sport science nerd, my bookshelf is full of verkoshansky, zatsiorsky etc... I even was involved in a SaaS of a famous MMA S&C Coach until he booted me out because one of his clients offered to do it for free (Yes, I started to take money upfront or do contracts after that...)
I have this idea of a software where you do a few tests, enter your goals (sport etc) and enter the test results and you get your next 2 month training block created for you. I have it pretty much planned out, but I realize that people are way to lazy to get off their behind and do the tests/pay for it...
 
9:37 AM
@Patrick Those people are not your targeted audience
 
@Patrick If that's a plan I recommend creating free service and thinking of a different monetarisation way because that industry is full of scam.
 
There are loads out there that create a "personalised plan" for you. They're just crap.
 
And the major reason I found for this is that almost every of them lacks serious technical back. ^
 
I am stupid. I just realized I have one of europe's best S&C coaches next door to my BJJ gym and his assistance coach trains with us... I should go talk to him about doing this as a joint venture. With a proper name behind it the idea might have some merit
 
Quite large complexity gets in when we talk about automation of such heavy structure. Machine learning and all..
 
9:41 AM
@Jimbo Definitely. My idea is to gather data from professionals athletes and file those test results. Then compare the user with the average of his sport and decide that way what he needs to work on.
 
Really you should make them take accurate measurements of everything
All muscles, sizes etc (for muscle gains)
 
Tell them what to EAT in the timeframe
 
You need cooper test results, a few heart rate measurements, max lifts etc
 
Then get them to compare at the end of the timeframe against measurements in the system
Keep it tailored over time
 
9:42 AM
Zend framework
Role not found error
anybody aware of that
ZF 1 acl
 
It wouldn't be for bodybuilding though, I am not very interested in that. More about athletes (martials arts, rugby, etc) that want to improve performance in their sport.
 
People like me are larger audience. I am not going to be professional athlete, however, I am going to look good when I take my shirt off.
 
But you don't need anything fancy for that. Do a few months of starting strength followed by an intermediate bodybuilding program, watch your diet and you will look great in a year. It's not exactly hard if you put the time and effort in.
Especially with the internet resources these days, all the big communities have good FAQ's with all the information you need. There is no money in that unless you aim for the people you can scam with false promises (bodybuilding supplements, ahem...)
 
RedBeanPHP help need here please :)
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/23908158/set-names-or-setencoding-utf8-in-redbeanphp
 
@Patrick It's not quite that easy from my personal experience. At age 10 I was quite fat kid. I started swimming by that time it took nearly 4 years to lose weight (I mean getting in good shape).
 
9:50 AM
@HassanMagdy If you are still able to switch, I really, really recommend you switch to doctrine. This thing is a mess
 
@HassanMagdy RedBeanPHP is the most pointless thing I've ever seen. Honestly, I don't see how using it simplifies anything.
There's no difference between using raw queries via pdo or using RedBean but extra layer in the latter case.
It's just me though.
 
@Leri Well losing/gaining weight is all about diet. If you eat too many calories the best exercise program won't help you. bodyrecomposition.com is a good site, everything based on science and not some fads.
 
@Patrick Really, nice resource. I'd say the best resource I've seen so far. Honestly, I can't trust to a guy who is professional athlete for 20-30 years and says that with his program I'll be in that shape in a year.
 
Everything is significantly about diet. But aye. I only really view exercise as a catalyst for weight loss.
A good catalyst.
 
It'd like if I told to my mom that I'd make her as good as I am in programming in one year (honestly, centuries won't be enough for that :D).
 
9:58 AM
You'd be surprised what you can achieve in a year.
That guy eat, slept and crapped fitness for that year though.
 
@Fabien turned into a guido? :P
 
lol yeah. The bronzer is cringe but the results are impressive.
 
@Fabien Well, tan plays quite large role at the ending images. However, still pretty impressive.
 
One of the main points is he's not one of those guys who has simply drank a gallon of milk on his before shot.
 
@reikyoushin after set SPF Still problem is same.
 
@Leri yeah I always look for science based resources. examine.com is another great one for supplements
 
My advice is don't focus so much on trying to find the most efficient way to do things. Definitely research, read around, keep up to date with it all but the most imperative thing is actually doing something and sticking to it.
Basically action is better than no action.
 
Agreed. I really want to get back to swimming. Could not find 24 hour pool, sadly.
 
Zend framework1
Role not found error
anybody aware of that
ZF 1 acl
 
@SandipPingle 1. Zend 1 is pretty ancient. 2. The error is clear. Role is missing and solution would be straightforward i.e. add missing Role.
I have no experience with zend (neither 1, nor 2), but if I was given a project with that problem as the first thing I'd find out what Role is in terms of Zend 1, then find where and how they are created, so I could find if the Role that is used is created and if it's not create one.
 
10:13 AM
@Leri I have already created a Role still getting this error
 
Revisit the steps you've taken. More likely you missed something important.
If necessary revert back changes and start over.
 
hi
i want to convert xml file into string but as it is means with tree structure
 
is there any method to accomplish this
 
10:23 AM
So, with Polymer we're edging closer to XHTML, excluding everything about XML?
 
I think to create sort of "canonical" for Jaywalker anti-pattern & it's resolution in MySQL. Will it worth the efforts? I've just posted this
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A: how to split a string to 4 characters sub strings then concat them by hyphen?

Alma DoIntroduction Since we've figured out that your strings can have any length, then your issue boils down to - how to split string with any length to it's chunks of some length in MySQL. Unfortunately there is a serious problem in MySQL, that prevent us from doing this in "native" way. And this pro...

so may be it's a skel
 
Gmail show warming phising message because From @gmail and to@gmail and send through my server. how to resolve this.
 
@Nileshpatel stop spamming!
@user3384222 I don't see a question. Also it's too vague/broad. I think you should start do some research
 
@HamZa ya i want to stop spamming so i need to remove this one and i am not devlope for spamming.
 
this is not spam
 
10:28 AM
@Nileshpatel heh, maybe they want you to purchase/hire your own smtp server instead of exploiting using theirs?
 
@Patrick I am sing doctrine but in another project .. the good in R is easy to install only one file but doctrine need to init new project
 
@HamZa exploiting was/is more correct term there.
 
WTF is the point of ReflectionObject if you can't retrieve the object over which you're reflecting? It's about as useful as A extends B { }, adding nothing of value.
 
I wish there was a way to disable this flag notifications. Those are pretty annoying :/
 
10:43 AM
Who's What's being flagged? flagging?
 
Wikipedia links and shit. I don't know who.
 
Jes
setting a sesstion variable and accessing it on the same page returns null why?
 
Do you have session_start() at top?
 
Jes
yes i do
:16770864
 
Hello
@Jes Is the session set correctly? So check if the session isset(); then maybe var_dump(); the session?
 
Jes
10:52 AM
when i var_dump() returns null
 
Could you possibly show the code?
Do you set the session on another page?
 
Jes
$createduserData = $this->UsersEntity->findUserByEmail($email);
$user_guid = $createduserData->guid;
$this->Session->write('user_guid',$user_guid);
$user_guid = $this->Session->read('user_guid');
var_dump($user_guid) is null
 
Hmm, echo out the value of what you're trying to set?
 
@Fabien And if he'd stopped about 1/3 of the way through he'd be far more attractive than he is at the end.
 
Jes
@Script47 return undefined index user_guid
when i echo
 
10:57 AM
@Danack Yeah. It gets a bit pointy. His goes on from there to bulking out quite significantly so.
 
That's your issue. The user_guid is messed up, has no value?
 
@Danack I dunno, he looks pretty solid in the end; I think the tan was a touch overboard.
 
@DanLugg Way way too solid.
 
Meh, I'd trade my physique for his end result. I'm starting to look like a hamster.
 
@Ocramius Probably file under "No one cares" but technically ZendCode violates the zend license, as it doesn't have the copyright notice or the BSD terms and conditions in it. "Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer."
 
11:01 AM
@Jes found a fix?
 
Hey guys. What bulk sms (text message) provider do you suggest to use with my application?
 
Jes
@Script47 no any help ?
 
What is the user_guid variable? What's it mean't to store?
 
Jes
yes
i got to store it in a session so that i can make use of it in other places
 
@BikerJohn If they have the coverage you need then Twilio.
But they're a bit US focused.
 
11:08 AM
@Jes I mean what is it mean't to hold? String? Int?
 
Jes
string
@Script47 its a string
 
Hi Does anyone know how to read VB and would possible help me convert a short function into php.
 
Well if it's showing undefined index then you need to make sure that that vairbale user_guid has a value before setting it to the session.
 
This is the VB code. pastie.org/9229892
@BikerJohn Hi I used text marketer they are UK based
 
@Ocramius Also, <morbo>Copyright does not work that way</morbo>
 
11:23 AM
hmm .. am I only one who has the impression that adhering to PSR-4 for the application itself just makes the application code structure looks uglier
 
@HamZa yes but some mot popular crm like getBase, mailcimp are sending From @gmail and also to @gmail address. that means something we are not know how to send mail to gmail by using Our server.
 
I am talking about class loader and naming conventions affecting the directory-file naming
 
@tereško No, you're not the only one. It's another case of the fig group doing something because it sounds cool, rather than having actual benefits.
 
Jes
@Script47 it has a value
when i var_dump() before setting in session i get some value
 
@Danack more like "something that on first glance seems like a good idea"
basically I have begun using PSR4 for stuff that I do via composer, but the application code itself has my own autoloader
solves the "ugly directoy" problem
@Danack lol @ copyright
 
11:28 AM
@tereško Which is something they should have actually fixed - being able to write plugins for the Composer/PSR style autoloader instead of it being a single way of doing things.
@tereško In 74 years that will stop someone from being able to copy the Zend code....
 
yeah, but then they would have to start by defining a PSR for classloader's interface
 
for 12 months
 
Sup Chief.
 
And that is why I get annoyed with Phil Sturgeon so much. Every time he gets involved in a debate it seems to turn out into a really exclusionary way of thinking, trying to find the One True Way of how to do things like classloaders, cache interfaces etc. Instead of making things compatible in fluid ways that are open to future expansion.
 
People are talking about @JoeWatkins on Twitter. What happened?
 
11:33 AM
 
what are people talking
 
I wrote that ... internals think I'm horrible ... everyone I respect sees what I was doing ...
someone actually called me out on making kitten jokes and using inspiring language ...
here's pierre going mad this morning ... pastebin.com/kBtrGMwp
 
Could we somehow mark the author on PHP.net?
 
news.php.net/php.internals/74536 then the shit storm on internals ...
 
Never thanked you for the 10-day vacation @Gordon -- thanks :-) Was very productive.
 
11:36 AM
You're Phil's boy aye? :P
 
@DanLugg np
 
the author is set in xml looks like you can't ... I wanted a blog and would be okay there I guess ... bjori just didn't want to say lets set up a blog without knowing I would write for it, so said test it there ...
 
@Jes try setting a variable using core PHP so the normal way.
Then see what happens.
 
@JoeWatkins so? there should be a release process for posts to php.net
 
@Fabien and I'm glad I am too, I can't deal with that ...
@Gordon well there isn't, we were trying to get something going, we'd talked about editing and what not, but all this kinda ruined whatever we were going to do ...
 
11:39 AM
What's Kovac blabbering about?
 
it'll probably be removed ...
 
Concern over people using it?
 
@JoeWatkins tbh, as much as I appreciate the work on the new thing I understand that people are offended it went to the main site
 
well maybe it wasn't my call
bjori has control over dns
if the guy who has control over dns saying they'll create the entry for you if you do A then B is not a go ahead, I dunno what is ... and I'm not blaming bjori at all, I think we all did something good ...
 
<-- still a little confused about what's going on but probably doesn't concern me.
 
11:42 AM
php.net homepage @Fabien
 
@JoeWatkins i guess the main issue there is not the post itself but rather who is allowed to post what on php.net on behalf since it's pretty much official then
 
I wrote about ng there, to counter nonsense, and to get something started ... an internals blog, a factual one, that the blogosphere can use as a reliable source of information about what is really happening and why ...
 
Jes
@Script47 thanks but tried that way too still same error
 
@SecondRikudo could you give mee that manga channel again?
 
11:44 AM
@Gordon there is a problem in any community that needs to decide what the facts are before communicating them, I understand what I am looking at when it comes to anything that patches zend, I understand what it is and what it isn't and don't require a consensus for that ... shoot me for using inspiring language, it wasn't meant to be an isolated thing, but the beginnings of us talking to the world, so make a joke and be inspiring I thought ...
 
@JoeWatkins i dont doubt you do. I don't think this is about your skill or effort.
 
well no it seems to be about the process, it seems that people want to get a consensus that this should be done, and what facts to communicate ...
 
@JoeWatkins I saw the homepage, just unsure why everyone got hit in the feels.
 
@JoeWatkins and that's okay if you ask me
 
I don't understand
 
11:49 AM
@JoeWatkins what I mean is that I understand people want to get asked or be involved before an announcement like this is made from the official php site
 
@JoeWatkins first things first: thank you for doing it
 
well it has come out as an announcement, but I was really wanting blog.php.net and bjori said doing this would get me it ...
 
@Gordon if it would have hit internals before getting posted, it would never have been posted
 
@ircmaxell thanks for speaking up ... I dunno what happened ...
 
@ircmaxell and that would have been a problem why?
I agree with other that it reads more like something that should have gone into a personal blog
 
11:56 AM
First and foremost, you did what you thought was right, and you took the initiative to do that. That needs to be recognized. All these people bitching need to recognize, that right or wrong, you showed up. Which is far more than most do, and should be encouraged. Were toes stepped on? Probably. Could it have been done better? Probably. But that doesn't mean it's not a good thing. And anyone saying it shouldn't be done doesn't realize the problem it solves. Which is a problem IMHO...
@JoeWatkins sorry, was asleep when the whole thing went down
 
np, you showed up ! :D
 
Reminds me of my companies new motto.

Drive Change Through Innovation
[Conceive. Develop. Disrupt.](http://i.imgur.com/mp8zkEX.jpg)
 
bingo
 
Did anyone proof-read that post? Just read it and within 20 seconds there needs to be a few changes :-)
 
Aaaaah I love the smell of fresh internals drama in the morning :)
 
11:58 AM
@Jimbo many people did
 
There's nothing offensive though :/
 
wow.. on slashdot
 
there's also nothing wrong
unless you don't look for pictures of kittens on the internet ?
 

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