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6:04 PM
gah! Why is my damn AlarmReceiver triggering right away?!?
Damn code elves are back again screwing me up!
 
Don't the elves do all the coding since it's all "code Magic"?
 
I had to fire them since they were screwing up so much. It seems they are back for revenge
 
Well did you give them a severance package? that usually fixes everything.
 
No but it also seems that I wasn't adding the expire time to the current time...my bad
Everyone relax, the problem is solved. Now to wait 5 minutes and make sure it gets deleted
 
I don't think I can do that cM. the next 5 minutes are going to be UNBEARABLE
 
6:09 PM
Indeed
 
Can you tell me a bed time story while we wait cM?
 
why don't you set it to 1/2 min to test it
and then just increase it to 5
 
Just got his memo from my university
"A reminder that all UNSW campuses will be entirely smoke free from this Saturday 31 May 2014, which is the UN’s World No Tobacco Day."
 
neb, do the buttons ever work for you after a game finishes ("Cancel" and "Rematch" I think)
zigi, 5 minutes is the test time; the actual time will be 12 hours
 
reduce it to 1 min
there is no need to wait 5 min
for test purposes
 
6:11 PM
For some things I do half or full minute but it screws up some things because of other timers
Plus it gives me time to look over other things while I wait and reset my brain a little
 
then there's something wrong with the logic
 
There is a method to my madness here
 
hehe :D
man I am working on one nodejs project
and this freaking mongoose is giving me trouble
 
No, actually this timer could go a minute and be ok. But another feature which has a timer I have to do several minutes or it interferes
 
you know you have to attach a callback to every db request
instead of waiting it to finish
this.model('Animal').find({ type: this.type }, function(err, res) {
    console.log(res);
});
so basically when the db returns something it's gonna fire the function
so basically you can have stuff happening while the db retrieves the data
 
6:15 PM
yeah it's js so of course you need callbacks
 
it's really strange
 
it's not
js runs asynchronously
 
yeah man I work with js
 
lol
 
that's what I am hired for
:D
I know
 
6:16 PM
sorry, I didn't know xD
 
although I rarely use pure js
I use framework stuff
ExtJS to be precise
 
I kind of liked ExtJS but the docs seemed pretty skimpy
 
yeah
that's what they intend
to pay them teach you
 
Ah
 
but I like going through their code
 
6:19 PM
so apparently sink handles can come off and when they do water showers out of the remaining hole with enough pressure to hit the ceiling
 
and right now they have really good examples
 
My item was deleted after 5 minutes as expected and I had time to chat
See, zigi, I knew what I was doing :P
 
hehe
you da man
 
 
Hit the ceiling? Holy shit, Foamy!
 
6:20 PM
btw
 
which is interesting but really not something I wanted to learn first hand
 
sencha have implemented a complete FB in html5 for your phone which works faster than the app
I also work with AngularJS
and to be honest they both have + and -
but I think Angular is much more clear
ExtJS has much more things integrated so you don't have to look for plugins
 
Ahmad, I only kinda get the strip
 
it's about how nobody is using xml for his web service anymore
because all hail json
 
well
everything revolves about lightweight
man
a project I am working on
is with MongoDB, NodeJS and ExtJS
 
6:23 PM
But...did they need to tie him to a tree?
 
so you have the db, the backend and the fronten
all JS
no conversions whatsoever
besides validations and parsing on the backend
 
because we don't like xml
 
cM, who are you talking bout
 
6:24 PM
the title of the strip is
And that’s how good old XML disappeared
 
@Ahmad how?
with all the js
JSON is just fat free XML
no one likes fat
except microsoft
they really like eating your drive space
 
And all the people that still use soap
 
haha
the first time I heard about soap was really funny
my roommate said
that he uses soap at work
 
lol
 
and I was kind of
surprised
 
6:28 PM
@zigi the XML guy was tied to a tree. Seemed a excessively mean
 
cause I thought he takes showers at work
 
if I think about it, "And all the people that still use soap" might sound weird to someone fhat doesn't know what it is
 
who's the XML guy, God damn it!!
 
Look at the damn comic Ahmad posted above
Sounds like you need some soap to clean out your eyes so you can see clearly
 
aaah
hahaha :D
nope the picture doesn't load with me in the chat
I had to click on it
 
6:31 PM
lol cM
 
haha I hate soap, never use it :D
 
"using foul language? maybe we need to clean that mouth out with soap!"
 
wait, so your debating about xml vs. json without looking at the comic? lol
 
I saw it
:D
I agree
poor poor XML
 
Please don't tell my mommy, Carl! She will
 
6:32 PM
at least android still uses him
 
It's not funny anymore, zigi
You ruined my joke
 
:(
;(
 
xml is not bad if you're describing a layout
 
Yikes!
OK, afk
 
bur I'll never use xml for a web service
 
6:33 PM
lol
 
I can also describe a layout but no one uses me
 
you're not lightweight either
 
hahha :D
how do you know
 
Sthaap it
hey guys
I've been meaning to ask you something
since most of you are developers/engineers/designers
programmers overall
how do you plan your applications, I mean everything from design, to front end, to structure of the app, to back end to db
or the other way around
I am really interested in the way people work
 
6:42 PM
Usually just talk to someone about it, bounce ideas, then get started on a proof of concept.
Then during that process it should be obvious where the main failing points are, and you solve that if/when you want to proceed with the idea
The rest is detail you can only learn through books/experience
 
how do you do a proof of concept for software
 
dedicate a weekend to hacking away at a barebones working product that's probably horrific to look at and worse to use
 
ah
 
the point is that you see if it's feasible
 
ok
 
6:46 PM
Just don't make the mistake of trying to build off a weekend hack job. Start fresh. :P
 
I'm finding that if I want to build a product, I often have to skip the proof of concept stage... or make it really rough.
Hmmm... I like that idea...
 
well I have an idea that has more work on the data itself rather then representation
 
There's always more work in representing data than you think there will be.
 
cause it involves smart way for scraping data
yeah
that's also really hard
that's true
to make things fluid
and likable
 
About 60-80% of my time programming is figuring out or displaying data, or maybe entering in data.
 
6:47 PM
and usable
about 50% of my time goes for data validation
 
There's that too...
 
but yeah
 
Only a very small part goes to the fun stuff.
 
at work currently I have more work on the front end rather than the back end
 
I might just hit the 5K download mark sometime in the medium term future...
Maybe the end of next month? Hmmm...
 
6:50 PM
do you guys thing FB would have been what it is now if the napster guy didn't invest in it
 
nobody knows
we might still have... errm. What was that other thing called?
 
Google Plus?
 
lol no the other thing before fb
 
myspace
 
myspace!
 
6:52 PM
we still have myspace tough
 
Myspace is around, but very different than it was...
 
yes that was it
puh totally forgot the name
 
I only had myspace for the chicks
 
for me, the #1 feature of Facebook that sold me on it over Myspace was the fact that nobody could set their own custom background image for their home screen
3
 
not that many people had myspace
 
6:53 PM
Facebook was the first social networking site that had a clean interface, and I think that helped.
 
especially elderly people
 
And tagging pictures.
 
ugh the custom backgrounds
 
yeah, look at me, I am drunk with my buddy
 
horrible
 
6:53 PM
people had such horrible custom backgrounds
 
I joined social networking as Facebook was rising, and Myspace falling.
 
And games like Candy Crush
Oh, wait, no that part sucks
 
yeah
 
Games didn't come for a long time...
 
Farmville
 
6:54 PM
lol cM
 
there you see it, people don't have any sense of design
 
I know, Pearson, but it made my joke
 
yeah, I didn't know who wanted people to be able to personalize their stuff with CSS
 
those glittery, sparkly, striped and dotted backrounds
 
6:54 PM
Twitter does have custom backgrounds, but they aren't half as annoying as Myspace...
 
still give me nightmares
 
Follow along like Carl did and laugh now
 
that isn't offensive, that is bloody glorious
 
King made $127 million dollars in profit in Q1 of 2014
 
these gif makers are going above and beyond
 
6:56 PM
Well, let's face it, how much could Candy Crush, or similar, really cost to make?
 
out of one game!?
 
I look like this monkey after my morning coffee
:D
 
wow.
 
That's not a monkey, that's me developing code
Straight outta my arse
 
hahaha :d
 
6:57 PM
code monkey?
 
Don't know...never even looked at that game. I just know that I want people to stop sending me invites to play games
 
Im going back to my codez
gotta continue
 
I mean, a team of 10 working for a year would be more than enough. Even if you pay them a ridiculous salary, you're development costs are only a few million...
Servers would be a bit more, but even then, not that much.
I guess the game is ported into different environments, which adds to the cost, but still, even doubling the development cost and it's still not bad.
 
It was pretty much common knowledge at Amazon when I was on the Kindle team that King was the #1 revenue generator for Android
 
There's a list of highest revenue for an app.
Of course, that doesn't include ads, so...
 
7:00 PM
king make games for bored housewives and morons
really boring
played the crush thingy for like a few minutes
 
King staff is 650 people. In 2013 their revenues were $1.88 billion, and they made a profit of $568 million.
 
and 14 year olds
 
couldn't understand what's so addictive
yeah
 
650 people?
come on
what do these people do?
 
They make more than one game, but it still seems high...
 
7:01 PM
610 marketing guys?
 
They don't need that much marketing...
Give 20 per game, and a half dozen games...
 
> In the fourth quarter of 2013, “Candy Crush Saga” accounted for 78% of King’s total gross bookings, and its top three games accounted for 95% of total gross bookings in the quarter.
 
Maybe the same number of testers.
And you have to have a few people working on new products. But 650 does seem a bit high...
Oh, forgot management, which no doubt is at least a quarter of those employees. I've come up to about half, but the other half is a big question...
 
7:15 PM
Maybe it is just a huge research team that looks for 'new' ideas. Didn't they steal the idea of candy crush? Not from whoever made bejeweled but someone who made a candy version of bejeweled.
 
Oops bought a PS4.
 
oops?
 
Oops!
 
yeah and the mouse was stolen by mac from xerox
 
If you don't want it, you can mail it over to me
 
7:18 PM
but noone did shit
 
Naw I'll just have to put up with it I think.
:D
 
I'm here if you decide to give it away
 
I had first dibbs
 
but I haz moar powa
 
Damn you and your rep!
 
7:37 PM
Guys i m looking to the best AR resources , video git books ...
 

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