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9:59 AM
I'm happy to join here...ping me if you need me...
 
We really need some more stuff in here to clear the starboard. Right now it's rchern, bad jokes, whining, meta-stars, and Angry Birds (yeah, that sidebar is so stale Angry Birds was still a thing).
 
Wow there's stuff in there from 2010.
 
@JasonC As I said, so stale Angry Birds was still a thing.
We need some high-powered sidebar ventilation.
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Ummm... brown.
 
I missed the brown.
 
Smiting stick
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There, that should do for now.
 
10:07 AM
[status-ventilate]
:(
 
Doesn't have the same impact
 
Oh thank goodness [meta-tag:] works. I was getting worried there.
 
@JasonC Perhaps you can send people here instead of the Meta Tavern in your recent answer? If this room gets any decent activity that is.
Or add both
 
@Bart Good call.
That's what prompted me to ask about this room in the first place.
AHHH TOO MANY TABS OPEN
 
Oooh, different ping here
 
10:16 AM
@JasonC I was wondering what you were testing but your meta post explains :-)
 
@rene Haha, I can't believe you saw that. It was there for about 6 seconds.
@Bart Yeah, no Star Trek.
 
This makes me check my phone though
 
is the loneliest number.
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^ There, star that.
 
What? Different ping noise? Someone ping me so I can experience it!
 
@michaelb958 Make me.
 
10:19 AM
@JasonC That is a cool noise.
 
No @michaelb958. We won't just ping anyone.
 
$('div#jplayer').jPlayer('play');
 
Keep starring! Keep ventilating!
 
Oh! I posted this earlier, but ...
 
user image
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10:22 AM
@Bart Google image search for "Holy Batman, Batman" is unfortunately disappointing. :(
\o I'm going to start hanging in here a bit too; maybe it will get to critical mass eventually. Gotta run for now though. Later.
 
Cya @JasonC
 
Send the same message to two rooms, why don't you? :P
 
10:51 AM
One more starred message and the stale stuff is off the sidebar. Think, @michaelb958, think...
 
@michaelb958, yes
 
With @LaszloPapp in the room it becomes easy to star stuff... :-)
 
this room is basically a fork based on that it has a relatively old creation date by the same owner as the meta tavern thingie?
 
I'm not sure
It was frozen for a while. Shog9 did unfreeze it on request of Martijn
We might just be in two rooms...one for the spam in MSE and here for specific close/reject stuff on SO?
 
10:56 AM
@LaszloPapp It is. @Chacha102 originally created the Tavern on the Meta (or so it is said in the tales passed down through the ages, anyway). Not to mention that the room summary looks like a really old Meta Tavern summary.
 
ok, great, I mostly deal with SO, it is more appropriate for me.
 
We should start with mounting a wheel of blame on it...
 
We'll need a room owner or a moderator.
 
@rene: it means?
@michaelb958: and cookies.
 
10:58 AM
tnx @Bart
 
I do not follow the context =)
 
One of the room owners has been absent for over a year; the other was seen 5 days ago, but I don't know how to get their attention.
It appears that @Chacha102 has a habit of abandoning taverns.
 
@michaelb958: why does the room need an owner if it exists and works?
 
@LaszloPapp Because mortals can't change the room summary?
 
status-for-this
 
11:00 AM
Someone to clear the star board or pin messages or kick users if needed
 
kicking users is not necessary. Just mute.
 
I have never seen that happening on the other Tavern, albeit I have not been there for a long time.
 
So, that cleared the starboard of old messages!
 
@michaelb958: to be fair, I have never read any title in any room, but if it is important for others, ok.
 
11:02 AM
Check!
 
@LaszloPapp done and left a comment for the OP...
 
O-B-L-I-V-I-O-N !!
 
11:17 AM
I'm waiting to hear regarding this: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/250613/…
 
What are you waiting for @devnull?
 
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Q: How to run C code downloaded from github?

user1762376I have downloaded code in C language with gui in QT from this link https://github.com/chrisandreae/keyboard-firmware. How to import and run this code on code blocks compiler on windows PC.

 
Some official word of sorts @Bart
 
why did this question get so many downvotes?
 
The comment explains it well @LaszloPapp
 
11:19 AM
@devnull: what does the readme have anything to do with Code::Blocks?
Have you actually read the readme?
to me, it is a valid question: how to import this project into codeblocks.
 
@LaszloPapp No I haven't. But my first reaction would be to downvote too :)
 
that is really sad.
 
Minimal understanding...
 
@RetiredNinja: what does the readme have anything to do with integration into Code::Blocks which is IMO a valid question. — Laszlo Papp 8 secs ago
and the unclear close vote is strange, too.
how can it be unclear? :)
 
The documentation exists for this very purpose. If one doesn't RTFM, then it does call for a downvote.
Just to be clear. RTFM: Read the fantastic manual.
 
11:23 AM
I think you got stuck at that point, but you are welcome to point me to the documentation in the readme which mentions codeblocks integration.
Frankly, I went through it, and I just cannot find it.
 
That README might not contain the information, but I'm certain that it'd be trivial to find it.
 
yeah, like so many other things asked on SO ...
still, it is a valid question IMHO that newcomers might stumble upon when google'ing.
it is at least reusable unlike the many typo and too localized questions =)
btw, the readme is really poor. It does not even write dependency version information.
 
@LaszloPapp Don't get emotional. There is nothing that prevents you from answering if the question is open. At the same time, not everybody would agree that it's a good or valid question to ask.
 
that is fine, but this is not objective, and I wanted to hear objective measures. If it is just subjective, at least I know it.
(btw, this question has nothing to do with my answer)
(in fact, I submitted the answer after asking)
 
I wish I didn't left a comment on that question earlier...
 
11:31 AM
@rene: what happened?
 
lenghty discussion...OP argueing that the question if fine and on-topic blah blah
 
ah, the usual mess.
:-)
 
I provide a link to the on-topic help page then he only reads what suits him...
 
arguing over improving.
:D
 
yeah...
It has something todo with Qt I guess :-)
 
11:33 AM
Just back away. Let him figure it out
 
OK, I'll do...
 
oh, my "I am Qt" T-Shirt is getting broken.
 
@Tom If you want further explanation of why the question is not good enough (or if you'd like the community to re-evaluate) take it to meta.stackoverflow.com and ask what you can do to improve it. Do accept the possibility though that they'll also tell you it's not good, and will give you similar comments to those you've already received. — Bart 27 secs ago
There, done.
 
Oh well! It took 30 minutes to close the post.
 
I knew Bart is cruel :D
 
11:40 AM
Hey, I sent him to MSO, not MSE. MSO is still friendly and cuddly at the moment
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are you sure? :P
(I have not used it yet)
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Q: how to implement timet in openGl without glut library and call a function in period of time?

user3553687how to implement timet in openGl without glut library and call in function in period of time?

 
The atmosphere does seem somewhat different actually. Strange but true
 
effort is luxury.
(I have not cv'ed it though)
 
timet? In glut? He means glutTimerFunc or what?
 
timer with typo maybe?
r and t are close on my keyboard.
 
11:44 AM
Hmm, true
 
He may want this, @Bart?
anyway, off-site resource
@Bart: I'm sorry, but my question is very specific and targeted. Somebody with the relevant knowledge of PyQt could immediately tell me either "this can't be done" or "you can acheive this by calling the so-and-so method of so-and-so object". — Tom 1 min ago
:D :D :D
 
A typical case of I'm right and the rest of the world is wrong which is only true for me.
 
so why is mso different to mse? What makes it different? I mean in terms of mood, downvotes, upvotes, comments, etc, not the topic, for sure.
 
There is no rep for starters
And with it getting a fresh start, there seems to be an influx of new people with new spirits
 
ah, you always get the rep there what you have on SO proper, right?
 
11:56 AM
Yep
Upvotes don't get you anything. Downvotes don't harm you.
 
well, that is a good thing as well as a bad thing... One may consider the SO reps more seriously this way.
 
Now that downvotes don't cost anything on meta, wouldn't it encourage poor posts?
 
@devnull: probably not if you want to get a qualified answer.
 
If users truly go overboard they can still be suspended @devnull
 
although some people might take the revenge to SO proper.
 
12:20 PM
@Bart: you are a gentleman.
 
Absolutely ...
 
?
 
Bring it up on Meta Stack Overflow then and ask for input. Do so constructively and either they'll tell you we're complete nutjobs, or they could inform you how to address the content. — Bart 23 mins ago
 
@Bart. Scholar? Maybe. Gentleman? Absolutely. Not.
 
 
12:25 PM
Hi
 
Hiya
 
What this room for
 
mostly like meta, but in chat form IMHO, and there is some moderation ongoing with including others, etc.
 
The description says it all: Here we have our fill of bytes and bits, and then tell of tales of other times we've had our fill of bytes and bits
 
moderation job boring
 
12:33 PM
Here it is on meta now:
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Q: Unjustified downvoting, closing and voting for deletion on SO. What am I supposed to do?

TomA question I asked on SO was closed and voted for deletion. I couldn't understand why, and the downvoters / voters for closing told me to take it to Meta, so here I am. The question ( How can a plug-in enhance Anki's JavaScript? ) is very specific. It asks about solving a specific question in a ...

Look ma! My question was downvoted. They are all evil.
 
let us close his meta question, too? :P
(j/k)
77 low-quality posts in the review queue...
@Bart: what is wrong about downvotes? Is that not for disagreement on meta?
he kinda had to expect at least the same amount of downvotes from the people since they disagreed with him on SO, too.
 
If they are feature requests sure. For discussions/support ....
 
IMO, it is just flame, but everyone to his/her own, I guess.
 
It's an upset user. I can give that a bit of a pass
 
I agree with him about the delete vote though... that was too early without giving him a chance.
My question is not how to write a plug-in: it is how to add functions to PyQt's JavaScript, which my plug-in will implement (in Python). — Tom 34 secs ago
he will do the same on meta.
 
12:41 PM
Sure. But he'll get new input. And the discussion when extensive belongs on Meta, not below the question, so fair enough.
 
I do not even understand as a pyqt user what "pyqt's javascript" means.
 
QML confusion?
 
I think it is not qml, but qtscript
but again, it is just a tip, I have no clue what he means by that.
@Laszlo: I meant specifically the JavaScript capabilities of Anki. If it really isn't clear, I will reword. — Tom 1 min ago
we are getting somewhere ...
 
1:07 PM
@devnull: heh, you guys have not given much chance to the guy to improve his question. :P
Although it can still be undeleted.
 
Oh come on. It got deleted?
Geez, nice.
 
\o/
 
That's cheerful
 
@Bart I wanted the shortest way to present myself :)
 
well played
 
1:13 PM
haha thanks..Hope I'm not interrupting/disturbing anyone
 
It's not as if we're discussing anything important or sensible in here
 
oh ok guess I can talk normally then
I wanted to know where are the gurus here hehe
Because I guess if nobody answers it's really a difficult issue to overcome :P
 
Depends on what Gurus you are looking for
 
Pythonistas :)
 
I'm out :-)
 
1:17 PM
Calling Martijn Pieters! Calling Martijn Pieters!
 
That is good call indeed...
 
damn! :)
Just need to know if it's "legal" to have two POSTS in the same form
because I'm trying to cut a db call from a page
 
Isn't there a Python chat room? Or don't they welcome such questions?
 
@Bart Lol didn't see that! Going to check it out ;)
thanks
 
You're welcome. :)
 
1:23 PM
@Bart :)
 
Hey everyone ! so now this room again ...here you guys ! Wow
 
@TGMCians \./
 
o/
 
What be this?
 
@TGMCians well, to be honest no. It is an very old room but we ventilated it and now it is ours
 
1:25 PM
Yes I know
I saw this earlier also
I'm now not more interested on Meta SE after @Bart said not to post anything something .. related to CV only SPAM
Anyway
 
I don't understand why every SO clone is mostly low in features and often quality :/ I mean no chat, no spam filter, no eyecandy moderation tool and so on..if Jeff Atwood was the one cloning he would have done it way better ha!
 
@TGMCians I'm pure evil like that
 
that is not good behavior at all on SO
I was not doing anything that was against the rules of the room. There was nothing like that in the rules for that room. I posted the question link for CV not any SPAM (Advertising any thing of my android app or so anything related to that)
that is allowed IMO
 
All I told you is that it's completely unnecessary when those questions are well on their way to closure anyway. So much so that when visiting seconds after you posting them, they are closed already.
If that upsets you this much, so be it.
 
@Bart So that I had many times there few guys post there like so when I go and find it is already closed just now
but I don't mind at all
If you think so it is better to leave at the moment own
instead of post any suggestion to anyone
I was not new there, had talk with everyone but you something behaved like wicked or rude that made so me ...it can make to anyone
 
1:36 PM
Bart is the evilestest
sorry, EVILESTEST
 
If it so then I can not do anything but stop to give some suggestion who already know how things works in any room and purpose of the room
Bart, If you want to do that why didn't you say to everyone for that, only to me why
@user3546546 I'm already, but that man did so that made me so on that day , not anymore
 
@TGMCians this is really not worth a long discussion. I said what I said. And all I am is a simple user. If there are any problems with my behaviour, flag it. Ask moderators to look into it. That's all. I'd say you need some thicker skin, but that's just me.
 
I 'm also not interested for long discussion with you
 
Perfect, that's settled then.
 
I said what I wanted
 
1:42 PM
@LaszloPapp That it lacking exclamation marks.
 
@Bart If you had any problem with me with that why you didn't flag instead of posting that comment. ... and you here saying me to do so...foolish thing
Anyway
Do your work , let me do mine
 
Not a clue what you're going on about. Let's just stop this nonsense.
 
Yes Of-course I know you know all things
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Haha, who starred that?
 
@Bart: stop begging about stars. :P
 
1:50 PM
:)
 
@TGMCians: do not worry, jasonc also argued with me about pasting close vote links even though everyone keeps doing that ...
if it gets too much distraction for people, we can create a separate room dedicated for it.
 
@LaszloPapp Thanks, everyone do
 
@LaszloPapp What? Is there some notion that we should not post close requests in chat??
 
Oh, I see.
Yeah, it's a judgment call. I generally try not to post links to questions that I feel are well on their way to closure, and are in tags that get a lot of traffic.
 
One could say, you never know though.
 
Was a particular technique ever implemented (besides Python) to edit a page without calling the database?
I'm looking for every Google search result and there seem to be nothing like that, in any language..really?
If it's true it sucks that nobody did.
for editing a page I mean to actually get the values from the previous request rather than submitting its post-edited values
"He works.."
 
Read a basic C book. — haccks 19 mins ago
I hate that type of comment!
 
It's surely better than RTFM!
 
2:18 PM
There should be a comment downvote option.
 
What about this:
Why didn't it expand?
 
removed?
 
Yes, removed it seems.
It was an abusive comment (by the OP). I'd flagged it.
 
@devnull: do you still have delete votes for today?
 
Yes. Tell me.
 
2:32 PM
geeez, let us d3str0y!
 
done @LaszloPapp
 
Go on. I've plenty of those remaining for the day :)
 
thanks, I have a few, too, if someone wants some help.
 
3:15 PM
 
rene, the greatest cobol hacker =)
 
Does anyone have a cobol silver/gold badge yet?
 
yes
yearling
or wait.
wrong site
 
 
1 hour later…
4:28 PM
why can I leave a comment on a protected question?
"The protection bar is extraordinarily low right now — you only need >= 10 reputation to post an answer to a protected question — but we think this is enough to cut down dramatically on answer noise for certain unlucky, but obviously popular, questions."
yeah, right.
 
4:41 PM
Thanks, @rene
I was wondering if StackOverflow promotes laziness.
 
I think it would be nice to have an advanced search instead of this sql thingie.
 
@devnull wasn't there a meta post about that today?
 
@rene Sorry, I haven't seen that to be honest. On MSE or MSO?
 
I try to look for it, hold on
 
SO metaposts go to MSO AFAIK.
or some of them still go to MSE?
 
4:45 PM
But the reaction to the question is unwarranted.
 
Yeah that one
 
w00t, primarily opinion based? As if it was not usually the case on meta anyways?
 
I've seen extremely high rep users defend abysmally low quality posts.
 
we had one 22K+ user yesterday.
got 6 downvotes, and still argued for his link-only post.
 
Anyone who want to add stuff to improve my answer here
 
4:51 PM
@LaszloPapp I've had quite a few such posts deleted (posted by even higher rep users)
 
I refrained to leave a comment about the fact that the poster could be mistaken...
 
@devnull: sure, there is one similar from a 100K+ rep.
and one from 200-300K+
where I downvoted an old link-only answer.... let me find it.
stoooooop upvooooting, reeeepcaaapp
@devnull, the 200-300K+ user told me link-only is not a reason to downvote
and when I told that is fine, but I disagree, he went around and downvoted one of selected and upvoted answers. :D
(without explanation, of course)
hmm, I got 200 rep 2 days ago, but now checking my history, it seems to be only 198. What happened there?
@devnull: let us burn this, too, stackoverflow.com/questions/17978379/…
 
done.
 
thanks.
this still needs two close votes before it can be burnt... stackoverflow.com/questions/23173576/inflate-zip-files-in-qt
@devnull: how much have you used this "protect question" feature?
@devnull: you can delete vote now, too, but I will be able to do that only tomorrow, stackoverflow.com/questions/23160407/…
not sure why the last one was not deleted automatically after 9 days.
I thought negatively voted questions without selected and negatively voted answers would burn automatically.
(and without edit, reopen vote, etc)
 
5:37 PM
All done!
 
thanks to you and rene :)
 
5:52 PM
Happy to clean-up the mess, anytime :)
 
 
1 hour later…
7:19 PM
@devnull Promotes? It was essentially created as a reaction to laziness, or perhaps changing habits if one wishes to be generous:
> Programmers seem to have stopped reading books. The market for books on programming topics is miniscule compared to the number of working programmers.
> Instead, they happily program away, using trial-and-error. When they can't figure something out, they type a question into Google.
@devnull Something to remember is that for many authors, questions are nothing more than a jumping-off point, a stub they can fill in with something they know but didn't realize others were interested in. They're not carefully evaluating each question to see if it meets some abstract notion of quality, or judging whether or not it "deserves" their answer; either the question offers a reason to write about something they love, or it doesn't.
Which is... Kinda ok. At the end of the day, the answers are what matter. You don't cut open a pearl and discard it if the sand isn't up to your standards.
 
 
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11:13 PM
@devnull: around?
 

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