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8:54 AM
OK, I'm back. You can carry on :)
 
 
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11:15 AM
good morning!
 
morning!
 
11:29 AM
wow, somebody's actually on this early :p
 
it's past midday here
 
oh
 
12:02 PM
Is JIT the combination of interpreter+compiler, or is it the compilation part of the combination of interpreter+compiler?
 
12:12 PM
I think the compilation step is generally considered separate, but it depends what you mean by compilation. I've heard people use the phrase 'JIT-compiled' - maybe that's not correct
JIT happens when the assembly is loaded IIRC
 
12:27 PM
With the WP8.1 SDK stuff, what am I supposed to use instead of using System.IO.IsolatedStorage;?
 
Managed to write a thing that finds the transformation matrix between tow sets of points without knowing much :D
 
hello folks
somebody worked on windows 8 web browser??? i am developing windows 8 phone SDK
for mobile adnetwork
am trying to stop scrolling inside webBrowser, i have tried different sort of things but didnt worked for me
 
1:29 PM
why the fuck is it snowing in April
@JohanLarsson What? Please elaborate. I have a very old unanswered Math.SE question about that.
 
@KendallFrey can't elaborate since I don't remember the maths I just bruteforced it with matrixdimensions etc
used SVD
don't have the code here so can't push a sample now
 
I have no idea what private protected means...
 
1:45 PM
sounds strange
 
indeed
 
2:33 PM
Hey everyone, I would like to know if you consider any published book 2013~2014 a must have book and what book is that?
for c# winform/wpf
and also towards threading
doesn't need to be 1 book can be several ones that are each related to a specific subject or what so ever
 
Any recent book that teaches WinForms is not a must-have
I know Wrox has some good books if you're learning to program
If you're just learning the new language, you won't need a book, just MSDN.
 
@KendallFrey well not how to use winforms but more of hacks towards winforms like modifying controls and the such and rest mainly towards WPF
 
You want a book that teaches hacks? I'm confused.
 
for instance how to change a specific control design let's say its border is rounded and it goes around tell you how to make it squared, and other interesting changes like on the windows form border itself etc, something you would easily be able to do with WPF which is not so simple on winforms.
 
I have no idea why you'd want a book to teach you that
I have no idea why you'd want to even touch WinForms.
 
2:44 PM
And no, I'm not looking for beginners book but perhaps intermediate/advanced.
@KendallFrey in some specific cases I cannot use WPF but I do like to changing things around to my them easier to use and the such.
but like I said early I am just curious to know if there are must have books published 2013~2014 towards those subjects and not for beginners.
as I am not looking for a hello world guide :P
 
Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Look More Like?
 
if winforms is bugging so much then just remove it from the question there is still WPF and threading.
 
Why are you asking specifically for threading?
I don't know why you want a book at all
Usually you can find answers on MSDN
 
True but books great practical examples and/or cover things MSDN usually don't which helps a lot understand it.
s/books/books have/
 
Someone edited my question and removed a tag because it's a new tag. So I edited it back >:D
@Prix MSDN has tons of examples, what are you talking about?
 
2:53 PM
looks like I'm one sided writing answers that are not even being read in fully. well thx anyway.
 
3:46 PM
WTF now a second person removed the tag
 
4:07 PM
which tag to which question?
 
oh, gaming, they're just odd
 
I guess...
 
I say that because they decided to close all questions that ask about current behavior in Diablo 3 (after the recent patches) as duplicate to old questions, when the answers to those are no longer relevant and not even close to correct
 
I'm sad about the fact that 75% of Minecraft questions are "ITZ BROK HOW DO FIX PLZ"
@LasseV.Karlsen quick favour: Can you see my edit? gaming.stackexchange.com/posts/163095/revisions
 
4:21 PM
I can see your proposed edit, when clicking back to the tag, it's not there yet.
Guess someone has to approve it.
 
I got 2 points for the approval, which is odd
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4:38 PM
hello
i want to create a program which monitor my system files
 
Hi guys, i need little advice on SQL image storing methods :)
 
My advice: Don't
 
why?
 
Use the file system
 
local?
 
4:42 PM
yes
 
what if i want access images from abroad?
 
Well, some file system. They're usually better for storing large binary data
well, you're certainly not accessing your SQL Server from abroad, are you?
by "abroad" I take it you mean "over the internet"
 
i managed to store images in SQL, but memory stream methos reduce its quality, i think, yes over inter net i'm using VPN
 
What do you mean reduce its quality?
 
lemme show you, gimme a sec ple
 
4:45 PM
And if you're using VPN, why not simply store the images on a share on the same data store you have your database?
 
this is before i upload into database prntscr.com/378rkd
this is after retrieving from DB prntscr.com/378s0i
its just not image sharing i'm trying to develop an application it has complex explaining to handle images as a part. i just wanna know what i'm missing why this quality difference?
 
If you load an image in .NET and save it, it is re-encoded.
The settings change, and for JPEG, the compression removes even more detail.
 
is thr a way to prevent it?
 
Don't load and save, store the binary as-is after verifying it's a correct image
 
so its happening because i'm loading first in picturebox?
 
5:02 PM
I'm not a psychic. I can't divine what's in your code. I'm just telling you not to re-save as compression and settings changes. Whatever goes into SQL comes out EXACTLY AS IT WAS GOING IN, that much I can guarantee.
 
its a mess :D
i'm just a 2nd yr student
is this line reducing quality? " img.Save(ms, System.Drawing.Imaging.ImageFormat.Gif); "
 
@geek007 Yes.. you are saving it there.. that's what I'm telling you.
 
what i've to change ?
 
I'm not giving you your desired copy/paste to finish your homework for you. Figure it out from the statements I just made earlier.
 
oki doki, thanks all of, i'll try to figure it out :D
*you
 
5:11 PM
The storage system does not reduce the quality of the images
Saving an image as GIF will of course reduce the quality unless you have a 256-color image already within the restrictions of the GIF format.
 
5:24 PM
@LasseV.Karlsen i am installed visual studio 2012 and create a new website after run getting an error message
 
@LasseV.Karlsen i think u r not intrest
 
Interested in what?
What else can I say?
 
@shine It isn't a particularly captivating story.
 
am new guy in c#
 
5:26 PM
I see
 
So what kind of response were you hoping for?
 
i want to study mvc
 
Sorry, but that's not the kind of response I can give. I don't want to study mvc.
 
@LasseV.Karlsen kk thanku
 
To be honest I don't know why you're thanking me, but you're welcome.
 
5:29 PM
in JavaScript : The Language of Love, 21 hours ago, by Kendall Frey
Oh, Canada. Today someone opened the door for me and said "Thank you."
This is just as hilarious today
 
@shine Do you want to know why I'm responding the way I do?
 
@LasseV.Karlsen no
 
I'm going to tell you anyway
You say "I have done this, and it produced an error", and you specifically pinged me in that message.
You were probably expecting me to help
But in order for you to get help, there's a couple of things you should've done. First, you should've explicitly asked a question. All you said was "I did this, it produced an error". Nothing else.
There is an implied question here, but I don't answer implied questions, I answer actually asked questions, which you didn't do.
So if you want me to help you figure out what the cause of that error message was, you need to ask me to do that. And, you need to actually produce the error message you got. Otherwise your statement is akin to saying "My car doesn't start", and then nothing else.
 
@LasseV.Karlsen ok
 
Additionally, I'm no expert with MVC or web applications, so I probably can't help you anyway, but I have a black belt in googling, so I just might. If I know what the error message was.
 
5:34 PM
HTTP Error 403.14 - Forbidden
A default document is not configured for the requested URL, and directory browsing is not enabled on the server.
 
Can you give me the url that gave you that error message? You can replace the domain name with something else to avoid giving out details you're uncomfortable with giving out.
 
I think that means you did yourwebsite.com/foo instead of yourwebsite.com/foo.htm
 
The error message is probably right, but it might not be able to explain what you need to do.
 
or if it was just yourwebsite.com, then you'll need to set up a default document
which Google can help with
 
For instance, you could access domain/controller, and then for some reason the routes was incorrectly configured, so it thought /controller was a reference to a directory
instead of being routed to a controller class.
 
5:37 PM
kk
now am cheking
 
first verify that the url actually makes sense
as for how to verify that the routes are correct, that's out of my league
 
kk
thanks
 
sorry to interrupt, what if i use TIFF format instead of GIF? it dont seem like any quality loss, but what is the is advantage?
before upload => http://prntscr.com/3797i5
after retrive from DB => http://prntscr.com/37983l
 
you shouldn't save the image at all
you got the image from somewhere, in binary form (ie. think "array of bytes"), that's what you should be storing, that array of bytes.
don't re-interpret the image at all
the fact that you temporarily showed the image to the user on screen should have no impact on this
except, if you want to explicitly get rid of things like EXIF data or similar, but then you should probably go for a library which does that, ie. removes EXIF data, and doesn't reinterpret the image.
As for explicit downsides of using TIFF? Did you check the size of the image after resaving as TIFF?
And what was the original format, before converting to TIFF?
 
without img.save() method how i get into, hang on , so i dont need memory stream also?
before iys jpeg
 
5:44 PM
Where did you get the original image from?
ie. where did img come from?
 
*its
its on my desktop
 
I meant code, how did you get the image into the variable img
 
i choose image from Loacl PC and view in picbox, then covert that(picbox) into byte array and sav in memory stream
 
How did you load the image into the img variable?
 
Byte[] img = imagetoByte(pictureBox1.Image);
 
5:47 PM
ok, how did you get it into the picture box pictureBox1?
 
Image img;
OpenFileDialog filechoser = new OpenFileDialog();
filechoser.Filter = "Image Files | *.jpg; *.gif; *.bmp; *.png; *.jpeg";
DialogResult result = filechoser.ShowDialog();
string filename;
if (result == DialogResult.Cancel)
return;
filename = filechoser.FileName;
try
{
img = Image.FromFile(filename);
pictureBox1.Image = img;
button1.Visible = true;
}
catch { return; }
 
So you used Image.FromFile.
 
yh
 
Ok, then you should use File.ReadAllBytes to get what you need to store.
ie. something like this:
byte[] bytes = File.ReadAllBytes(filename);
 
sry, i'm stuck, where exactly i should use readallbytes? when i load img .fromfile?
 
5:52 PM
... and you're a second year student?
 
Before you save it to the database
 
yh i'm not that smart :P
 
ok, so let's recap
You have the image on disk. You load it into a picturebox to show it to the user. You then try to save the image (which will reinterpret it) and discover you get quality issues.
You're then told to take the original bytes making up the image and save those.
 
yes
 
So do that.
original bytes here means the file on disk.
 
5:58 PM
yh, so readallbyte is not only for images its universal binary array reader, isnt it?
gimme a sec i'll try and see, i think its will be ver handy :)
 
hello
 
It will read the file on disk, regardless of what that file is. It'll return an array of bytes (assuming it will fit in memory of course) containing the entire file contents.
 
when using mvvm I have to update ObservableCollection on UI thread right?
 
afk
 
@mrpyo In WPF changes are queued and executed on the UI thread, automagically.
 
6:05 PM
@geek007 You don't need to mention that you're away here, it's pretty much implied if you become silent :)
 
has it changed in new versions?
 
I don't know how it used to be, but it appears to work just fine today.
 
I mean it seems like it is (or was) a mistake in WPF library
it could simply catch event in background thread and post updates on ui thread...
 
back
its working Lasse V :D
i created a public Byte[] nbyte and stored image byte like this " nbyte = File.ReadAllBytes(filename); " and uploaded like this " NewCmd.Parameters.Add("@img1", nbyte); " no need for save or worry about file format, i can fiter images in filechose. Thank you so much :D
new code without saving method, pastebin.com/krXb93Lc BRB
 
6:21 PM
looks good, got a question though, and I'm not entirely sure about the answer myself, so it's more like "you should look into it" more than "this is wrong", ok?
At line 39, you construct a MemoryStream, what happens if you dispose that object before you return the image?
ie. call Dispose (or preferrably, using the using (...) construct) before line 41.
Sorry, disregard that, that part of the code is correct.
 
is thr a way to re convert image without creating memory stream? 39-41 is getting Bytes from database and store in M.streame and rebuild image, thats happnning thr
 
If I may reformat your question: Is there a different way to take an array of bytes and show it on-screen as an image?
The answer to that question is: probably, but it won't make much of a difference, this is good code.
 
oki, i'll make this code neat, thanks for the help :)
 
6:37 PM
Hello there Mr Karlsen. Nice of you to stop by our humble chat :)
 
Considering I feel like a bastard from how I'm responding tonight, I'm not altogether sure Its all that nice, but nice of you to say so :)
 
lemme ask a crazy question, if i wanna upload a video to my database, hope it also have to be Bytes 1st, what is the fastest way to do that? i heard about multi threading, will it help? especially when upload via VPN
 
there is no way to answer this question because there's assumptions here not laid out
let me explain
 
Good evening :)
 
let's say you go for the same approach for videos as you did with images
 
6:49 PM
oki
 
in this case, storing a video, byte-for-byte, as a byte array, will be equivalent to storing an image, just a very large image
the database doesn't care, it just gets "25GB of bytes" instead of "1.2GB of bytes".
other than the fact that you might get disk issue with size, but let's assume you don't
but then you say "upload", which is different
if you create a program that will take the file as an upload, then that is slightly different from just reading the video file off of a local disk to begin with
for the code that wants to store it into the database, not much different
from the code that executes before it, quite a lot
and one thing comes to mind when talking about "upload", and that is size, and thus, timeout
it depends entirely upon how you implement this "upload" mechanism
will multi-threading help? No. Why? Because you're uploading 1 file.
will multi-threading help? Yes. Because you will be able to receive more than one file at the same time.
See how your question generates different answers depending on context? Thus, there's no way to answer the question the way it was asked.
 
you are a guru, you covered all section as i need to know atm, i'll check how youtube and other video host doing :)
 
They're using http upload
 
 
1 hour later…
8:20 PM
Sometimes I wish that Stack Overflow had a mandatory moderator type of approval when a question is asked on the site, without a question mark.
 
@LasseV.Karlsen You mean on those open-ended, statements that are hard to tell what they're asking?
 
Yeah. "Questions" like "When I execute this code it throws a ArgumentOutOfRange exception" (+code)
 
forgets to include the calling code
Usually SO is a really good community overall, I feel. Most bad questions get rooted out.
 
In my opinion, SO is a good "representation" of the overall programming community
And that, saddens me.
 
How do you mean?
 
8:26 PM
Well, let's think of this in terms of "SQL" or queries.
First, let's root out all questions which are just plain basic
ignore those
then you're left with questions like "How do I make this SQL which deals with credit card information tamper-proof"
or similar
and at that point, if you can avoid crying, you're a better man than me
It saddens me that the people that apparently are building mission-critical software basically has no idea whatsoever about what they're doing.
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yea star that
 
Hm, I see your point.
 
But some people, hobbyists like me, with little/no professional training, just need help with some code sometimes.
Hi, outlaw
 
hobbyists doesn't store credit card information
unless they're up to no good, and that just makes my point even more valid (but I'm assuming that was not your point)
and yes, I have a particular SO question mind but I'm not going to link
 
8:38 PM
@Lasse I disagree, I am a hobbyist, but I am planning on releasing my software I have been working on, So I will be storing credit card information
 
You surely won't be storing it?
 
I disagree.
 
Well no, but third company software will be
 
As a hobbyist, you should not store credit card information!
If you're thinking about doing that, you're wrong.
 
Yes, a third party like Paypal with huge resources for security and programmers.
 
8:40 PM
Right
 
I guess when I said store I was thinking of process...
 
That's entirely different
To be honest, you shouldn't be processing it either
And before you respond, let me explain why I say that
In my mind, "you should not be storing credit card information" is a rule. It's a rule that has come about for a reason, but a rule nonetheless.
But rules are made to be broken...
... if you have a good reason
 
I know a bit about credit card laws in the US, and I know that it's illegal to store credit information unless you meet certain standards
 
So obviously, if you know what you're doing processing and storing credit card information makes sense.
 
What saddens me is that I'm a 14 year old programmer with no training at all, and I've seen companies who can afford professional programmers. Those programmers then go around and store passwords in plaintext in an outdated database. It's really just sad, since even I know that that's wrong.
 
8:42 PM
But as a general rule, you shouldn't, because most programmers are idiots.
 
I know I misspoke, but now I don't see why I shouldn't process it?
 
What do you mean by "process"?
 
Validate? I don't know I haven't looked into it yet...
 
There are two ways to validate a credit card
1. You check the checksum, to make sure it's not a 100% bogus number
 
The optimal process would be to just have a paypal frame on your website that does all the processing for you. That's the right way to do it.
 
8:43 PM
2. You actually try to make a reservation/purchase (which involves contacting the relevant authority on that)
Either way involves you having access to the actual credit card number.
 
@CCInc Yeah @TravisJ told me to use this
 
Which goes back to my point. Don't do this. Unless you know what you're doing
 
If Travis told you, you probably should :)
 
Let me turn this point on its head.
 
Haha... I remember a few years ago when I was working on using javascript to store use credentials...
 
8:45 PM
Oh, and don't forget to allow the user to turn on HTTPS if they want. ;D
 
If I give my credit card number (+relevant information) to you, how can you prove that you're not the culprit behind incorrect charges?
 
@Lasse True...
 
The easiest way is obviously if you can prove that you never had the number in the first place, because this was handled by Paypal or someone else.
 
@CCInc But what is it in America? Surely not much better
 
It's pointless for individuals to get involved with anything like that in banking, just because they might fall into situations like that.
 
8:46 PM
The instance you have the number in your posession, you also have a tremendous responsibility that it doesn't get logged, stored, cached, or anything that will make it available to anyone, even if they have access to your server.
 
Or cryptography...
 
@KendallFrey True. But how many small business hire american programmers?
 
lol
 
@Lasse That is the sort of daunting thing about setting that up that I wish there was a "appstore" for on the internet
 
8:48 PM
Oh, outlaw! Unity has support for linux!!!! yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
We're an American company with programmers from every part of the globe
 
You're an American company? I thought your dad owned the business
 
@CCInc They have for like... 6 months
 
In fact we're going to be outsourcing a lot of work to Asia
 
@OutlawLemur I know, I just now realized that though
 
8:49 PM
@CCInc That's the other company
 
Ah, okay
 
Since this is a C# channel, I think we'll see more advanced services in the future. Right now we have Nuget, to give us the right libraries to do stuff, but in the future, I think we'll have more plug-and-play services as well.
 
Not to be racist, but the Asian guy writes the worst code I've seen from our team
 
Looks like Unity5 will also support 64-bit apps and WebGL. As well as a new audio system.
 
Not to be racist, but an Asian friend of mine writes the best code I've ever seen amongst my coding friends.
 
8:50 PM
:)
 
As for "not being racist", you sure sound like one.
 
6 mins ago, by CC Inc
Not to be racist. But. http://www.greatandhra.com/politics/political-news/99-percent-indian-it-engineer‌​s-lack-secure-programming-skills-51664.html
 
Wow. Way to drag me into this
 
Im out (of this)!
Not the chat lol
 
8:51 PM
I'm not racist, but I acknowledge that some countries are lacking in good programming education
 
I can guarantee you that 100% of the people that a recent Norwegian article was about would be absolute idiots when it comes to programming. They're people living on an island and absolutely avoiding "civilized people" like us.
Is that racist? No.
Is it racist saying that all people that came from that island are idiots when it comes to programming? Yes.
 
Now I'm confused :P
 
Let me rephrase.
I can say with certainty that 100% of the Indian people that has never seen a computer will not be good at programming. That's not racist.
To say that Indian people that had never seen a computer, then moved into the computer indistry, is not good at programming, that's racist.
 
are not or will not be?
 
The linked article, greatandhra.com/politics/political-news/…, can be understood in lots of ways
For instance, how many companies outsource their IT programming to India?
 
8:56 PM
A lot.
 
And how many of those prioritize completion over security?
 
most
 
or even know what security means?
 
very few
 
8:56 PM
I mean, they're the ones telling the indians what to create, right?
 
But it's not the companies job
 
Our legacy system has HORRIBLE encryption
 
the programmers should KNOW what they need to do to secure the companies data that obviously should be secure, even if not explicitly stated
 
ok, so they should know that:
1. it should be secure
2. it should be performant
 
I found the code to encrypt, deobfuscated it (took a few minutes), and now I have access to all customer passwords
 
8:57 PM
3. it should be cheap
Because I'm guessing that point nbr. 3 had nothing to do with outsourcing to India in the first place. Right?
 
It's very, VERY common practice to at least encrypt your passwords before you store it, if not hash it
 
Anyone know a good book for MVC, I'm having issues wrapping my head around the Controller handling method functions/handling view within those methods.
 
@LasseV.Karlsen ;)
@CCInc Just because it's not human-readable doesn't mean it's secure, sadly
 
I'm sorry if I'm a bit up in arms about this but I've seen a local company go down in flames because their orders were dropped and outsourced to India
 
@KendallFrey At least they made the effort :/
 
8:59 PM
only to later on figure out that "you get what you pay for" is very much still existing.
 
@CCInc true
 
and still, I have friends in India that I would trust the most secure and mission-critical projects to
 
effort && !knowledge > knowledge && !effort
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oh, there are some great Indian programmers
There's just a lot of bad ones.
 
That's what I was driving at
 
correct, but the fact is, there's a lot of bad Norwegian programmers as well
(which is my corner of the world)
They usually price their services below everyone else. And then you get what you pay for
 
9:01 PM
Yes, but bad Indian programmers simply OVERFLOW the markets trying to get jobs at cheap rates. And most people who give them jobs can't tell if they're good or not.
 
@KendallFrey If they are from IIT, then they are probably good
 
I'm sorry, but have you looked at the recent census?
 
of...?
 
Good Indian programmers overflow everyone else simply because there's a lot of indians!
 
Exactly my point :D
statistically, the ratio of good:bad Indian programmers is much lower, jsut because there are so many of them
 
9:03 PM
yup
I'd bet that there are more good Indian programmers than American programmers.
 
More than likely
 
Any books for MVC you guys can think of.
 
There are also more bad Indian programmers than there are Americans (ok, just joking, but some days...)
 
But more Chinese programmers that are good based on population?
 
So let me get this straight. You're saying that statistically speaking, if you're an Indian, statistically you will be worse at programming than US equivalents?
 
9:05 PM
I'm sure there are lots of excellent Chinese programmers too
 
Yes, that's what I'm saying
 
@LasseV.Karlsen I believe so, yes
 
@Lasse Not worse, just less probable to be good
 
@OutlawLemur What you said isn't similar, it just means the same thing.
 
@KendallFrey No it doesnt?
probable skill != actual skill
 
9:06 PM
OK. It saddens me that this chat doesn't have an ignore feature but I guess I will just have to remember it. Bye bye.
 
@OutlawLemur statistically speaking, probably bad == !probably good
@LasseV.Karlsen what do you mean? there's an ignore feature
 
Hey, you're right. Really, bye bye.
 
Goodbye, farewell
 
Bye...
 
I'm not leaving. I'm just saying "bye bye" to the people I won't be responding to (or reading response from) from now on.
 
9:09 PM
@KendallFrey I fail to see the purely mathematical flaws in our conclusions...
 
Because we're racist? ._.
 
I don't think it is fair to say Indian programmers are all horrible. Since they take projects so cheap I'm sure that business managers expedite code thus poorer quality code due to speed. As faster code equal higher margins.
 
12 mins ago, by Kendall Frey
oh, there are some great Indian programmers
 
From my experience, the average Indian professional programmer is less skilled than the average American professional programmer. However, I don't believe that an Indian with the same amount of training will be any worse.
I blame the Indian edumication system.
 
@Greg I'm pretty sure the old rule about "you get what you pay for" is still in effect when it comes to services like that. If you're willing to pay more money, my knowledge says you will get higher quality.
I would love to say "my experience", but I've never ordered programming services like that. The company of a friend of mine has, however, and they got top-notch services from an Indian company. They had to pay above the average price though, but still, sadly, a lot less than what is the norm here in Norway.
 
9:16 PM
Yeah, I agree. I've worked with several companies out of country. My biggest problem is they rush and don't implement ideal architecture due to rushing.
They aren't bad though.
I find Norway and Sweden to have great developers.
 
There's a lot of bad ones too (in Norway anyway)
 

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