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12:04 AM
Evening, all.
 
Good evening.
 
Hi Xian.
Argh. I need a new bike.
My old bike is coughing up blood.
Man-oh-man, road bikes have gotten expensive!
Anybody here ride bicycles?
(more than casually that is)
 
user457812
I haven't bought a bike in 7 years.
 
user457812
I've just been replacing parts on mine this entire time.
 
user457812
Mostly tires, chains, one wheel, and the seat.
 
12:11 AM
My bike is more like 12 years old, and has like 20,000 miles on it.
 
user457812
I also need to replace the grips and front tire before I start using it again. And probably the brake pads.
 
I used to ride A LOT.
I put over 4000 miles on my bike in the summer of 2007 training for a century.
 
user457812
It was my main means of getting around on campus and downtown when I lived in Boise.
 
user457812
Aside from the time I busted my helmet and had to stop riding until I found a new one that fit my weird head.
 
Ride bikes? I barely move.
 
12:13 AM
My avatar notwithstanding, I'm more like a macrocephalic (water-head) than a microcephalic (pinhead)
I need an extra-large helmet.
 
I'm two steps from lying on a hover sled in my pleasure palace waiting for the Jedi to show up so I can feed him to the Rancor.
 
Jaba the Hut?
 
user457812
My hat size is one that nobody makes. This unfortunately affects helmets as well.
 
Xian has a hover board?
 
Higher end helmets have an adjustable yoke inside them that make their fit much more adaptable. As long as I get an extra-large one, I can make it work. That didn't use to be the case.
I'm an anomaly. A physically active, outdoorsy computer geek.
 
12:23 AM
I used to be more active. Then I got a family.
Now, when I'm not coding, I'm attending a school function or taking my kids to soccer and archery.
Technically speaking, my lack of activity + devotion to learning is probably the only thing that has allowed my high school educated ass to be as successful as I am.
 
Yup, I'm much more sedentary than I used to be as well. Family and work will do that.
Plus I blew out my knee and ended my ability to run.
 
I am having issues with installing a .ipa phonegap build app
The thing is taking a very long time to install
It just says Installing...
under the phonegap icon on my iPhone,
What can I do?
 
Not a PhoneGap expert.
 
Is anyone?
Is there anyone who can help?
 
user457812
Nobody uses phonegap.
 
12:34 AM
;)
The BBC does
@nil
 
user457812
I'd wager they wish they hadn't.
 
Probably -- starting to wish that my self
 
Not I, no. I have had installs of regular ipa's freeze and had to delete and re-install before though.
This was app-store installation.
 
We're here, we just only have so many hands to put cheetos in our mouths.
 
I have an idea: automated cheetos eater machine.
 
12:38 AM
Nice
Lets see:
int i = 0;
while (i<1){
//eat cheetos();
i = i--;
}
 
user457812
That would loop infinitely.
 
Yeah -- thats the goal
 
Don't we want a cheetos face-packing machine rather than an eater? What good does it to if the machine eats my cheetos?
 
true
 
LOLOLOL TJons.
 
12:40 AM
just curious: was my above code valid ObjC?
 
user457812
Or should. I'm not sure if assigning to a variable its post-decremented self is well-defined
 
Almost. You didn't put semicolon on i--, and you don't have to assign i to i--.
 
user457812
In the worst case, it'll just decrement until wraparound/overflow.
 
@EnricoSusatyo How about now?
 
Just write i--; on that line.
 
user457812
12:42 AM
Time for more dork souls.
2
 
DORK SOULS LOLOLOLOLOLO
DO NOT FIX THAT TYPO!
 
I really wonder what i = i-- would do. As nil says, it's probably not defined.
In most implementations I'm guessing it would end up as a no-op.
 
i = i-- would be the same as i = i = i -1;, right?
 
The r-value would be evaluated and return i. Then i would be decremented. Then the non-decremented value would be stored back into i.
 
12:45 AM
I imagine @EthenA.Wilson using this:
 
Xian, I'm impressed. That is a very topical commercial.
 
Thanks.
 
LOL XIAN HAHAHAHA
 
Who flagged that as offensive?
 
Flagged what?
 
12:47 AM
I got a notice that the Pokemon eau de toilet image post was flagged as spam/offensive
 
Hahaha.
 
I didn't flag my own message...
 
Ethan is sensitive about the truth.
But he shouldn't be. Everyone knows you use that when you gotta catch 'em all.
 
He's quite grown up for 14.
 
He is indeed. When I was 14 I was so stupid.
 
12:49 AM
I'm still stupid.
But I have more money and cooler hats.
 
Ethen might have really cool hats. We just don't know.
 
user457812
Just beat a boss using jolly cooperation.
 
1:04 AM
I gotta roll. Later all.
 
Who has read Burning Chrome?
 
I have not, which surprises me, because I've read almost everything Gibson has written.
 
ideone.com/yLasb6 <-- i = i-- will store the original value back into i at least under the C compiler that ideone uses
I want to buy Burning Chrome but there are two editions. One is being released next month
I can't find any information on what the difference is though
Ah GCC 4.8.1
Clang 3.3 gives a warning about i = i-- (warning: multiple unsequenced modifications to 'i' [-Wunsequenced])
 
@TJonS No. C, maybe. But there's nothing ObjC about it.
 
As does GCC apparently ( operation on ‘i’ may be undefined [-Wsequence-point])
Interestingly enough, on GCC 4.7 the result is the decremented value
So that is evidence to suggest that it is undefined
This is a rather interesting site -> gcc.godbolt.org
Shows the assembly output from various compilers for C++ source
 
1:30 AM
@EnricoSusatyo is that... lube?
 
Someone flagged Enrico's pokemon pic
 
LOL
@nil I wish there was the Scala ??? thing in Objective-C.
It's very practical
 
Anyone work with charts in their apps?
 
These kind of charts?
 
1:46 AM
No. :D
But quite funny.
 
user457812
Jolly cooperation continues to be fun.
 
That's good.
I like the "Wait, what?" bit
 
user457812
2:04 AM
"I should try installing FreeBSD" is a thought I have had while completely sober.
 
user457812
Multiple times.
 
@EthenA.Wilson I thought it was perfume :(
 
Whoa whoa whoa!
 
I have something very similar to that when I was a kid.
lol
 
Xcode 5.1 made some kind of radical change
It looks like it's trying to include 64-bit in the binary
 
2:06 AM
Bed gravity is getting strong. Time to succumb, I think.
 
regardless of deployment target
Anyone know anything about this?
 
Snow storm. School was called off today.
It is really bad. Power is gone at on campus apartments and college website is also down.
 
2:26 AM
What are the changes of 5.1 anyway?
@EnricoSusatyo lol
 
@borrrden Does that mean we will have fatter binaries when building with 5.1?
 
Fatter
Am I in some kind of Google A/B test or does the google search results look different?
 
It looks different for me too, I don't like it.
 
Got to go
I do like it
 
I'm not sure
 
2:29 AM
It reminds me of iOS 7
I got to go
 
I can't build the current project for 64-bit
 
My tests aren't working on one of my test cases :/
 
cocos-2dx has been very liberal with their 32-bit assumptions
 
Am I the only one who finds Google UI changed and stupid?
 
I haven't noticed a UI change.
I keep hearing that people are seeing a new site, but I haven't yet.
 
2:33 AM
check Ethens screenshot
 
@EthenA.Wilson I have the same thing. I think it's been on my account on and off for a few months. I don't like it :(
 
God
@nhgrif because Im using container views. IF you have 10 tabs open in Safari, would you want them loaded when you select one already, or to load when you select an open tab?
I would rather have the tab already loaded for me to use. so thats why. because container views viewDidLoad and viewWillAppear and didAppear are not called until i bring it into the screen fully so thats just why. also a bit frustrating because i have to time it perfectly. UIWebView is actually messed up with state restoration. very incomplete docs for it as well
like UITextView, scroll position and text selection = automatic, UIWebView restoration = YOU reload it and at the right time. so far 1.9 seconds the request is still nil, 2.0 after decoding it is restored
 
I just spent a while bunch of time typing before realizing I was inputting everything in cyrillic. LOL.
 
UIWebView and HTML in general are a pain in the ass
 
^ true.
Have you guys been playing 2048?
 
God
2:46 AM
ya borrrden.
 
If not, get ready to lose your productivity: gabrielecirulli.github.io/2048
 
God
i kind of got it working though. right now the only issue is for some reason state restoration is deleting its preserved state for no reason
 
And also this is very tempting: ozbargain.com.au/node/136487
 
God
Apple docs says it will not save if the app crashes or you terminate in Xcode. It was working, i went to school and then i opened it back up and no tabs restored
very strange XD
 
user457812
Dark Souls 2 has giant eagles as a form of public transit. It's the best.
 
God
2:53 AM
... You got dark souls 2?
Some people got it the other night. I got Titanfall with my cousin and his roomate
and so did more than half the people. guy from microsoft was there but not wearing a uniform so nobody really knew who it was
 
user457812
Dual wielding is vastly improved in DS2. I've stopped using shields.
 
God
I heard you die a lot in that game
I would get frustrated
 
You mean Dork souls?
 
user457812
Not particularly.
 
God
well that is stupid!
 
2:56 AM
2 hours ago, by nil
Time for more dork souls.
 
God
Makes absolutely no sense. and a giant lie in Safari app. docs do say "Be aware that the system automatically deletes an app’s preserved state when the user force quits the app" but if you are in the app, double tap, then close it the app will preserve. IF you click home button, then double click then delete it, then it won't preserve
who made that logic?
so frustrating. so far haven't been able to find a solution to detecting if there is even a preserved state. and now they don't preserve it if you quit the app. Lost all hope in this framework now. that is a big part of my apps. so if a user quits, they lose all data and restart? failure I say
 
user457812
Just accidentally ran off a cliff
 
Did you die?
 
user457812
Obviously. It was a cliff.
 
user457812
I'm pretty good at this game, but sometimes I space out and accidentally kill myself.
 
God
3:03 AM
you are playing a game and chatting? you are talented
I am coding. then play titan fall hopefully if i can figure out what to do for my apps
back o NSCoding i think
 
user457812
It's an RPG and I'm playing it cooperatively with other random people who summon me.
 
user457812
I occasionally have downtime while they talk to an NPC or stab a wall for two minutes.
 
God
oh nice
which system are you playing on
ah hah. figured out how to detect if the app is restorable now. awesome. But i see why MANY apps do not include it. very very unreliable to restore the app. I know 99% of people do not close an app, but i close my apps when I'm done using it
 
user457812
PS3.
 
user457812
It's the only console I have aside from the Wii.
 
God
3:09 AM
oh nice. did you get the normal version or the collectors with the figure
 
user457812
Normal.
 
God
nice
My cousins friend bought a normal version of the Titanfall because he had to play it the opening night, and has a $250 or however much collectors edition waiting at Best Buy XD
best buy screwed us over and didnt have a release for some strange reason. only release they have not been open for ever since I've been getting games at midnight releases
This really makes me angry how apple can have better features than regular developers for their normal apps. Safari i can do the exact same thing to have state restoration not work, and it works for them. -_- thanks apple
 
user457812
Well, one of the sentinels killed the guy who summoned me.
 
God
nice
 
user457812
And just died by exploding barrel because enemies don't avoid suicide missions
 
God
3:34 AM
Reading some developer forums, State Restoration and Preservation is a big flop and not worth the time. does not work with fast app switching (unless you turn it off that your app does not run in the background) and does not work if you reboot. Nobody has wanted the only feature it gives me so i guess I'm remove it XD
submitted a long letter to Apple explaining why preservation is pointless still
 
user457812
Coop host ran off a cliff and died.
 
God
Xcode handles git pretty awesome. Created a branch for my state restoration version just in case i ever want to go back.
 
hey dudes @EnricoSusatyo turns out the problem with the imageView was that I named the property "imageView" by accident, the same as the superclass, UITableViewCell's imageView property - which confused Cocoa Touch - had nothing to do with constraints
You guys playing Tomb Raider (2013)
 
3:50 AM
@davecom Ah, that explains it.
Tomb Raider is still on my list.
I only have a Wii, PS2, and 3DS.
My Wii and PS2 are like 6 and 8 years old lol.
 
God
Can someone tell enrico to unblock me
>:[ GRRRR
 
@EnricoSusatyo GET IT NOW for Mac - it's $6.66 down from $20 yesterday, and $49.99 two weeks ago on Steam
 
Lol "Xcode handles git awesome"
 
I just bought it today
 
As in it does the most basic things that git can do?
 
3:51 AM
I've changed phone three times since I bought a Wii, I think.
 
God
yes borrrden:D
 
OOOHHH $6? That sounds so good =P
 
Enrico's former company wrote an awesome git client. Enrico worked on it and that's why it is awesome :p
2
 
@EnricoSusatyo God wants you to unblock him
 
God
I don't know git much, i have learned but i don't do it every day so i forget
 
3:52 AM
Yeah $6.66 so worth it; best buy i ever made
 
(I will balance out my last comment with the above one)
 
@borrrden Totally! Hahahaha
 
it even runs decently on my 2013 Air i7 8 GB
 
God
But Xcode just did it in 2 seconds so now i have it back like i never touched it for the past week
 
@God I've just un ignored you.
 
God
3:52 AM
wasted lots of time. will not have to figure out how to do my other app I've been working on now
 
davecom: I have the same laptop but using i5.
 
enrico: I get 23.1 FPS on their defaults
 
Max: But like borrrden, I am not discussing coding with you anymore.
 
so use that as you will; but the point is it doesn't run great on my i7, just acceptably
 
davecom: Did you know that the game is in Mac App Store too?
 
God
3:53 AM
pretty sad I think. Looks so cool, then find out. only useful if your users don't know how to use iOS and keep their apps open
 
Yeah Mac App Store version is like $20
 
God
and i say that because when i look at my friends phones they have all their apps open because they don't know they can remove them XD
 
Ah, doesn't matter dovecom, I will probably turn down the graphics settings if I play it.
 
lol nevermind $40
on Mac App Store
 
Damn I can't wait to go home and buy it on Steam LOL
 
3:54 AM
Well Feral turns it down for you to suit your machine, but apparently not enough
 
Let me ask Siri to remind me
Shit I have 30 minutes until Scrum meeting.
 
They warn you when you start it that your system doesn't meet minimum system requirements, but that's because of the 2.0ghz minimum i think
because they support hd 4000, so obvi hd 5000 is fine
 
Yeah, I have HD 5000.
 
My point is your mileage will vary but at $6.66, you can always play it on your next mac or a pc sometime
but the sale is only for 24 hours so i hope you catch it!
 
That is true.
Damnnnn only 24 hours?
Can I buy Steam games from their website?
 
3:56 AM
yes you can buy from their website
GOTY edition is $9.99 that's what I got
 
What is the difference between GOTY edition and the regular one?
> Buy Tomb Raider GOTY Edition
> SPECIAL PROMOTION! Offer ends in 13:04:00
LOL, 13 more hours.
 
GOTY edition just comes with tons of DLC included
I don't know if any of the DLC is worth it
because I never played regular, but I figured for $3.33 okay no problem
I just played for 1 hour today; it's definitely good so far
 
DLC = downloadable content?
 
yeah
 
Did you play with mouse and keyboard, or joystick?
 
3:59 AM
Although I can see how it would be even better on a better machine
It didn't seem to support my gamepad even though it claims to support 36 of them; so I just played with mouse and keyboard
which was fine because it's kind of like a FPS
control wise
 
Ah ok. I'll check out later with my joystick.
 
I need to get an Xbox 360 wired controller
because that's what everything seems to support
 
Anyway, gotta work, 30 min to scrum meeting.
 
good luck man
 
God
so hows everyone doing
 
4:13 AM
Microsoft said my app crashes on launch
Bah!
The crash report gives me nothing either
 
God
ok Xcode does not handle git well
Have issues and since i don't know git, i can't do much now:O
Borrrden, where do i put a .gitignore?
 
In the same place the .git folder is
Oh, Another project which uses identical source passed certification
 
God
so do i use like textedit, paste the code i found and save it as a gitignore and fixed?
oh i found a answer on this on SO
 
I haven't seen Max's avatar in a while.
Welcome back.
 
God
Ive been here
Complaining:D
 
4:21 AM
Oh, they did include instructions to reproduce!!
Nice job
 
God
You guys seem to be the only ones that i have to blame myself for all. I go to apple developer forums, everyone agrees with what i think!
I search up State preservation and restoration, they all complain apples WWDC video showed wrongly how it works, because theirs would work after closing the app. and then all want it to work even if closed and such
now if only Apple had a live chat for their forums :D
 
I've never used it, actually
 
God
used what
 
user457812
The only time I used the Apple dev forums was when I was testing iOS 4 or 5 (can't remember — think it was 5).
 
user457812
Whichever one had the notification pane as a new feature.
 
God
4:24 AM
oh, i post on them sometimes when its about a beta or something
 
user457812
The only thing I remember of it was that it was full of help vampires and people whining about how the beta wasn't stable
 
God
ugh now source control is messing with me-_- fun night
 
user457812
 
user457812
Someone's.. uh.. description on Twitter.
 
user457812
Bio thingy.
 
God
4:25 AM
i added the .gitignore file and i still have the file as a conflict?:[
 
I've never used state restoration
 
user457812
If the file's already in the repo, it's not ignored.
 
Right, what nil said
 
God
oh ok
 
You have to remove it from the repo and then you can ignore it
 
God
4:25 AM
oh
 
user457812
Until then, you have to resolve the conflict.
 
God
hmmm
 
user457812
Otherwise the file's essentially corrupt.
 
God
ok ill try to remove it. its just the UserInterfaceState file? I don't remember messing with it
 
user457812
4:27 AM
 
user457812
Yes, that's right, learn to use the commandline tool like all the sane people.
 
God
I'm just deleting them on github
 
user457812
$5 says this produces more conflicts.
 
God
is it safe to remove the whole xcuserdata file?
I would rather remove git altogether
 
God
4:43 AM
yay more issues
trashes Flow and a year and a half of work
and the people i was listening to were using terminal. so using terminal its all messed up. thanks
 
user457812
So, Sublime Text is supposedly going to be announced as no longer in development soon.
 
God
I added the gitignore file and resolved issue
file still in git
 

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