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1:00 PM
bingo
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz join (*) 5
 
that cat is definitely on to something
 
What room would be best to ask for moderator/employee help?
 
@Jefffrey I did the cleaning-up-glass thing yesterday. We need a taller coffee table so that Bailey's tail cannot sweep across it and leave a trail of destruction.
 
meta chats
 
1:01 PM
wooops thought I was there ok thanks
 
@CoolHandLouis What? Help? In here?
 
I find the term fairy-tale to be offensive, due to the way it’s used in today’s vernacular to minimize and trivialize.
 
8 hours ago, by Jefffrey
It keeped jumping on the shelf, where all my bottles of good wine and liquors are in my room. I've moved him back down every single time for the past 3 weeks, yelling that it shouldn't go there. This time, in the middle of the fucking night, it jumps on the top most (which has possibly the best one in the entire collection), I wake up, stand up and move my hands to reach it and it pushes the fucking bottle down on me.
 
@sudorm-rfTelkitty LOL!
 
I almost forgot the Fairy Tail anime resumes in April.
 
1:03 PM
not quite as innocent as Bailey ...
some killer cat with premeditated murder motive ...
 
@sudorm-rfTelkitty Can't really blame the dog. Need a better table.
 
Yelling is not an effective way to train a cat
(Cats don't speak English)
 
Training a cat doesn't really work.
 
fucking hell
it's hot.
in England.
there should be some kind of law against that.
 
And by hot you mean
 
1:05 PM
this cat is simply dumb
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I have beef with your survery.
 
@DeadMG I thought there was?
 
@DeadMG the ice isn't melting again is it?
 
@CatPlusPlus Well, I was walking down the road in a heavy jumper and the sun was hot enough to make me think I might want to remove it.
 
1:05 PM
Sun is usually p hot
 
so he jumped on the shelf this morning, I've put him in the closet for 15 minutes as a punishment. 20 minutes ago he did again, other 15 minutes in the closet. When I've opened the door of the closet he went directly on the bed and jumped on the shelf again...
 
@CatPlusPlus it's also usually p far away with a lot of cloud cover blocking most of it
 
so p hot
 
OK, I will test out this silly rumour by going outside without any life-support equipment.
 
1:06 PM
@Jefffrey FYI cats like being on high places.
 
@thecoshman I'm going to shoot him in the moon the next time he does that
see if that's high enough
unfortunately gravity will work against him, but hey! it's a one time experience right?
 
Maybe secure your drugs better
 
well, now he is doing 30 minutes in the closet
 
@Jefffrey stop being stupid. Cat's will climb to high places. If you want to be allowed to own a creature, accept it's natural ways and clear the shelf of for it.
 
You're terrible at cats
2
 
1:09 PM
@Jefffrey stop being a bastard
 
@CatPlusPlus Er, England.
 
"Bad water! you're all wet and liquidy!"
 
I can't imagine a cat in a closet ... your cat must be doing some really good exercise there ...
 
@thecoshman he also eats wires of the telephone/TV/satellites and my fucking Bose audio setting
should I clean the house of wires as well?
 
Get him bite toys, secure the cables
 
1:11 PM
Right. I've just been out to the shed wearing only shorts and t-shirt. No shivering or loss of feeling in extremities.
 
@Jefffrey then don't leave them exposed!
 
@CatPlusPlus I suppose this has weight coming from a cat
 
@thecoshman except that I have to?
 
@Jefffrey ಠ_ಠ
 
@thecoshman actually, you got me an idea
 
1:13 PM
3 mins ago, by thecoshman
@Jefffrey stop being a bastard
 
you need a closet like this for your cat
 
Don't get a cat if you can't accommodate it?
 
Clear the fucking shelf off so the cat can go up there.
 
@thecoshman Already did
I don't want to die
 
My misses and I do not want our cat ripping up curtains or quilts in the bedroom, so we never leave the cat alone in there.
@Jefffrey from what? a content cat?
 
1:15 PM
@thecoshman from him throwing wine bottles at me
from an high ground
 
All animals are easy to look after if you take your head out of your ass and learn how to work with them.
 
while I patiently try to get him down
 
@Jefffrey clear the fucking shelf dickwad
 
1 min ago, by Jefffrey
@thecoshman Already did
are we going in circle?
 
Then what is the problem? what is there to die from?
 
1:16 PM
nothing, because I've cleared the shelf?
that was the point of clearing the shelf
not for him to get up there
 
give your cat scratchy poles, sshit to climb, places to hide.
3 mins ago, by Cat Plus Plus
Don't get a cat if you can't accommodate it?
please contact a cat home ಠ_ಠ
 
he has a shitload of toys and even a fucking thing especially designed for him to climb, scratch and do whatever it feels like
he also has another cat to play with
never had to yell to the other cat in any way
never did anything to him
 
cats like to be on high places
 
well if you send a cat to a cat home it might get euthanized ...
 
don't fight that.
 
1:18 PM
@thecoshman not all cats apparently, because the other is just fine down
 
Sadly, it seems that, IME, cats will scratch amost anything that does not look like a purpose-designed scratching post.
 
@MartinJames see, the trick is to not have shit you care about the cat scratching
 
@MartinJames that's not a problem, I'm used to that
 
That's why I feed wild lives and not keeping a pet ...
 
buy a dog instead
 
1:20 PM
too boring
cats are stupid -> do stupid things -> entertaining
 
I've also had another cat since I was 5, she died 1 year ago and I've never had any problems with her either
 
dogs are stupid too
 
Get a dog like Bailey - you might save some $ on your electricity bill because the dog will warm your feet in winter ...
 
I chase my dog around with her own food.
 
@Jefffrey news just in: cat's can have personalities
 
1:21 PM
I knew that.
 
@thecoshman yeah, this cat has the "dumb" personality
or the "rebel" personality
 
give it away ... since it tried to kill you
 
@DeadMG I chase my cat around too... and more often get pounced on by it.
 
@sudorm-rfTelkitty I love him, he is just dumb sometimes
 
@Jefffrey ¬_¬ I wonder where it gets that from?
 
1:22 PM
@DeadMG Oh yeah. Every dog we've had prefers to drink from stagnant pools of rainwater rather than from a clean bowl of fresh water.
 
Daisy prefers to shit in the park instead of our garden
 
My friend gave away a dog because it was too dumb - the people who she gave the dog to are using it for mating purpose ...
 
@MartinJames my cat demands running tap water :S she will begrudgingly drink from her fancy glass
 
..which rminds me. Now it's confirmed 'not life-threatingly cold' outside, I'll take B. for a walk up the fields.
 
@MartinJames It's actually so warm here I had to turn off the heating and open the windows.
 
1:24 PM
@DeadMG nice
 
@DeadMG Heh - I hdd to check twice to ensure that post was not from Telkitty.
 
well I don't blame you for needing to triple-check that it was actually me that wrote that statement
 
@MartinJames the puppy is not that inane.
 
I am not wearing much here and the window is open
currently 22.9 degrees celsius
 
Oh yeah - windows open. I had forgotten - there is that handle thingy on it.
 
1:26 PM
yeah it took me a while to remember how to make that functionality work as well
 
@DeadMG There should be a card next to the windows with instructions.
OK, field time - he's bouncing around like crazy.
 
lol
have fun
 
I think it would melt our cat's mind if we took her for a visit to the outside now. "What is this blowy thing? Why does it smell of everything? Who turned the heat to off!?"
 
lol
 
ow... if I look out the window, my eyes hurt... not used to this
 
1:37 PM
I hope you love your cat enough to not neutering your cat
 
hello all
Litb has a Sinusitis :/
 
sounds a bit wrong from your own mouth
 
nooo there're no errors in it
 
1:41 PM
Does SSE or something support unaligned reads/stores?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes of course
disclaimer: I have no idea
 
i definitely know that x86 support that
if that falls within your "something"
it just takes longer to execute
 
I need better names for these
# x.y.z => dict_['x']['y']['z']
def get_dict_value(dict_, variable, default = None):
def put_dict_value(dict_, variable, value):
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb Oh yeah, but I'm interested in the SIMD bits.
 
1:44 PM
i would think simd is more strict
but how useful are my thoughts?
 
@jalf might know this as well
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes, but they're distinct operations
 
hm, I guess I'll start coding at work again
 
OK, that's enough of that. Despite DeadMG weather news and my earlier trial, shorts and t-shirt was a bit too optimistic for dog walking:(
 
1:48 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah that's pretty bad
 
@MartinJames Can you be more optimistic than that?
 
you could have jogged, so could Bailey
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not in any sort of socially-acceptable way.
 
too bad there's no simple way of me moving to GL 4.5 :F
 
GL with that :P
 
1:50 PM
@sudorm-rfTelkitty We ran back! Just got to top of first field when I saw DPD van parking up.
 
hi hi hi
well I'll be doing ES 3+ most probably
which is nice too
 
MY SSD IS HERE;)
 
gz
 
@DeadMG You don't understand what it means to me. Anne without the TVserver is very unpleasant.
 
Poor delivery person, must be scared to see a man running towards him with a dog
 
1:52 PM
lol
netflix? :P
 
@sudorm-rfTelkitty S'OK. He's been here before and is Bailey-friendly.
 
@MartinJames What's a measure of Bailey-friendliness: number of bites/visit?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes More like muddy pawprints on uniform/overall.
 
Daisy
she gets super excited whenever I put my shoes on.
 
1:54 PM
@BartekBanachewicz hire some Indian contract company :P
 
if I go to the doctor or visit the shop or anyshit like that
she jumps all over me for walkies
 
@DeadMG Heh - you've been persuaded to take her walk too.
 
nah I just ignore her
she needs to learn that I don't always take her with me when I leave the house.
 
ITT DeadMG is a jerk to his own race as well.
 
@DeadMG BitTorrent, plus the box has a DAB card for the 'real-time' broadcast TV, (remember that?).
 
1:57 PM
@MartinJames I don't really remember, no.
it's been many years since I watched television on an actual television when it's broadcast.
 
The Walking Dead is developing the exactly the way I desired: to see Daryl alone with Beth and Rick with Michonne. But there is no romance between those couples, much to my disappointment
 
hmm
 
@DeadMG Aparrently, there are high-power broadcast transmitters dotted about. You can get video and sound without a network cable.
 
I think I was on crack when I wrote this section of Wide.
3
or sick.
could definitely have been sick.
 
@thecoshman lol
 
1:59 PM
Last episode, Daryl was drunk with Beth, but there were no passionate kisses ... disappointed, totally disappointed!
 
@MartinJames Sounds like a waste of energy and not very flexible.
 
yeah, totally, from SO's
a lot of quality people there
@DeadMG who cares about energy
 
@DeadMG Yeah, why warm up the fields? Silly idea.
 
agreed
 
WiDi is cool though
I like the concept of using a mobile device to play on a bigass screen at home
 
user1804599
2:01 PM
Wi-Fi is cool too.
 
@rightfold wired or GTFO
 
@thecoshman meh.
i mean, okay, stuff like thunderbolt is great
but WiFi is stable and fast enough for most cases
especially when you can buy a few repeaters and cover the entire home
 
It makes Synergy a little jumpy, though :(
I love this. Too short, though :(
 
2:05 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit cannot reproduce with ssh
 
@DeadMG I wonder if it would be cheaper to just shut down all the terrestrial broadcast TV, sell off the bandwidth to mobile and then guarantee almost everyone in the country at least 8 meg and give old people etc. a free net box so it 'looks like' TV, or a sat dish if not practical.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Too bad the two are not at all similar
@MartinJames The frequency range is an order of magnitude lower than typical wireless transmissions
Two orders in the case of VHF
So good luck getting 8meg
 
The comments on this one are definitely one of the more interesting (and for me, constructive) discussion I’ve ever had part in on Stack Overflow:
7
A: C++ (14) and manual memory management

Konrad Rudolph Caveat: I stand by this answer since I think it presents a best practice which will improve ~95% of C++ code – probably even more. That said, please read the full comments for a discussion of some important caveats. Since it was my comment, here’s my presentation explaining this. In a nutsh...

 
user1804599
@thecoshman Hmm. This inspires me.
 
@rightfold for reals?
 
2:10 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Maybe I didn't make my idea clear, I meant 8 meg broadband cable, ie. enough for HD streaming.
 
I mean, doing a HTTP thing is all well and good, for a pet project, maybe.
 
user1804599
@thecoshman yes :3
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb Do you want to defend Qt’s legacy code requirements as best practice?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Waves are waves! Shut up.
 
@MartinJames I misread, sorry - you're giving the air bandwidth to mobile, okay.
 
2:11 PM
@KonradRudolph no but it's a modern library, so one can sometimes not avoid coding with raw pointers
 
@MartinJames Unfortunately, the exact same problem applies there, too.
 
@KonradRudolph wait, why does it have a legacy code requirement?
 
@rightfold o_0 me too :(
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb So you’re saying that you can sometimes not avoid bad practices. I agree. But I don’t think it’s a particularly relevant remark
 
the pain ...
 
user1804599
2:12 PM
@thecoshman interface Resource { /* all those functions here */ } :P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The tide is high, and I'm holdin' on...
 
the most boring text book I have ever had to read
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb The modern form grew out of legacy code and, like C++, has lots of ballast. That’s what I meant by “legacy code requirements”.
 
> I'm not against smart pointers (I think I'm actually one of the inventors of them)
lol
 
2:14 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Might be possible …
 
@thecoshman What about it?
 
@rightfold :S just respond 'not accepted' to everything... or 'ok'
@R.MartinhoFernandes too late now, I forgot :S
 
I don't consider drivers to be a legacy code requirement.
 
user1804599
@thecoshman lolno
 
oh, the 'text or 2D/text or 3D/2D/text' question, what about people who only want 3d? for example?
 
2:16 PM
@thecoshman We ignore their insanity.
no way we are gonna require that everybody jamming produce a 3D game.
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb requiring owning raw pointers is a legacy code requirement alright
 
@thecoshman I think an opt-in model is the proper way to go about that.
 
@thecoshman I'm with robot on this one.
 
@StackedCrooked huh, the latest GOlden Time episode sure ends in an interesting way
 
2:19 PM
@Konrad: I think I've discussed this kind of thing before with James. He seems to me to program primarily in a style that I don't think is really the norm (not intended as a criticism). In this style entity objects often (always?) are not "owned" by other entities in the sense that smart pointers and containers encapsulate. It's a little like writing a state machine in place of structured flow of control. It's a property of the structure of the program that entities are destroyed at the correct time, not directly attributed to a particular owner (or even group of shared owners) releasing them. — Steve Jessop 43 mins ago
now this sounds scary
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that was another question I have beef with. either "3rd weekend or not 3rd weekend"
also something about the last few questions felt like it should be a choice on a 2d plot.
 
What?
I have a feeling you are terribly overengineering this.
I want to know what people think. Not run a scientific study.
 
I forget what they were, but I remember thinking that the answer to one depends entirely on the other
 
James looks like a hellishly experienced guy anyway
 
*yes *no *others (please specify)
 
2:22 PM
which begs the question of "is our C++ really better"
 
@thecoshman That I agree. I should have put a text box for the noes.
 
I oftentimes feel that what we are talking about here might not necessarily work in the other applications.
 
What is that pie-chart thingy? Am I missing a link somewhere?
 
16 hours ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Give us your opinion for the next game jam.
 
Error

You have already completed this survey.

Please contact rmf ( martinho.fernandes@gmail.com ) for further assistance.
 
2:23 PM
@thecoshman There's a slight overlap, I'm aware. But, once more, I just assume no one is a moron and they realise that combinations like "Teams can pick themes freely" and "One global theme for everyone" make no sense.
 
How many members? Min:0 Max:30
 
I feel no need to convolute things in a way that prevents such combinations, because I assume you guys have more than two neurons.
 
well, for instance, if we (yes we... maybe) said 'each team gets there won theme' I'd say use that dark looking theme generator. But if we said a selection of themes, I'd say some from the white looking one.
plus I want to see a survey with a 2d graph for the answer box :D
 
> 'each team gets there won theme'
 
@BartekBanachewicz OK, thansk, I votededed
 
2:26 PM
I should have tried a negative number for Min.
 
@BartekBanachewicz ¬_¬ yes yes, let's get hung up on one small typo and a mistake.
 
rmf ... rm -f ?
so close
 
would we ever do anything else
 
@thecoshman This is the point where I assume you're all morons and couldn't operate the survey if I made it that complicated :P
 
Yeah - are we testing jam opinions or robot's entry checking?
 
2:28 PM
uh wtf
this Android Extension Pack 1 is a fucking joke
 
@MartinJames it can be both
 
..though I now feel that I should have tried a few negative numbers:)
 
@DeadMG on
 
@MartinJames I did bother to put minimums in one or two inputs, but meh.
As you can see, the hours thing is also not integral either.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You should have assumed moron-level for Loungers initially, then upgraded with time/experience:)
..or downgraded..
 
user3010322
2:31 PM
Was the survery really that hard to fill out? o.0
 
I put 24 hours only to be fair
 
I did like the way the results have ended up saying teams should be from about half to 6 and a half people :S
 
I mean it is fair for all time zones
 
user3010322
@thecoshman It's because some noobs put 0 as the minimum team count.
 
user3010322
Which is dumb, because 0 people means the team doesn't exist.
 
user3010322
2:32 PM
.... So it's not a fucking team.
 
@ThePhD but also means the members of that team contribute an infinite amount of no work :S
 
well ... if 5 people voted and total was 31, you could have 6.2 people as your max number
 
user3010322
infinity * 0 = 0
 
user3010322
:D
 
2:34 PM
@ThePhD you go to the same school as @StackedCrooked, correct?
 
lol?
Stacked is in Belgium.
 
user3010322
o.0
 
user3010322
Stacked graduated and works a career.
 
I like that other than the dumb zeroes, everyone so far agrees that individuals are allowed.
 
@ThePhD and infinitely large zero though.
 
2:35 PM
@Jefffrey Oh, I get it.
 
gj
 
20
Q: Why is Infinity multiplied by Zero not an easy Zero answer?

Ashley SchroderI did a bit of math at school and it seems like an easy one - what am I missing? N x M = N1 + N2 +..+ Nm n x 0 = 0 + 0 + 0 +..+ 0 = 0 (i.e add 0 to 0 as many times as you like, result is 0) So I thought an infinite number of 0's cannot be anything but 0? But someone claims different but could...

 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well, I like the idea of some jams saying you have to be with someone else.
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, this is dumb.
 
user3010322
2:36 PM
@Rapptz You see? This is what math does.
 
user3010322
It takes simple concepts and fucks them up.
 
@ScarletAmaranth Oh, yesterday's ep? I haven't seen it yet.
 
It's not simple.
 
@ThePhD hint: as soon as you talk about infinite things, shit is not simple
 
@StackedCrooked go watch it! :)
 
2:37 PM
Alrightly :)
I'll watch it right now.
 
I used to spend hours thinking this equation when I was in primary school: 10/3 = 3 + 3/10 + 3/(10*10) + 3/(10*10*10) + .... + 3/(10*10* .... * 10)
can get quite entertaining ...
 
@ThePhD See this answer: math.stackexchange.com/a/28947. You were the one taking simple concepts and fucking them up by making ∞×0 = 0.
 
@thecoshman, the cat went and tried to jump on the shelf again, so I gently caressed it saying "please, don't jump, please", he stayed for a couple of minute and then walked away
cat's logic
 
@Jefffrey what's wrong with the cat being up there?
 
@Borgleader have you ever stumbled on any performance benchmarks of compressed textures?
 
2:41 PM
@thecoshman the shelfs don't look like they can resist to jumps for much longer
 
@ThePhD it's not.
 
I like this answer:
3
A: Why is Infinity multiplied by Zero not an easy Zero answer?

N. S.As pointed in the other answers, the issue is the interpretation of what do you mean by $\infty \cdot 0$. Strictly speaking, $0+0+..+0$ when the number of terms goes to infinity IS 0 (this is just the sum of a series). But look at this example \begin{eqnarray} \begin{split} 1&=&1 \\ \frac{1}{2}...

 
basically "stop treating infinite sums as sums" again
 
@Jefffrey ooh, well damn that cat to hell for showing up your shoddy shelf fix skills.
 
what is 0/0 then?
 
2:42 PM
@sudorm-rfTelkitty un... uh
 
@ThePhD It's obviously -1/12.
 
and how many points makes it a line?
 
@sudorm-rfTelkitty indeterminate form!
I always forget the english term
 
0/0 looks like 1/100 !
 
it also looks like (your mom|penis|glittering Bjarne)
 
2:44 PM
o_O
 
@BartekBanachewicz for what?
 
1 min ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@sudorm-rfTelkitty indeterminate form!
 
@ScarletAmaranth For context i.imgur.com/CUhcR.gif
 
@BartekBanachewicz ¬_¬ to what are you refering though, and why isn't it plonked?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh... my... god
 
2:46 PM
@thecoshman You know it's Telkitty: 'what is 0/0 then?'
 
@MartinJames and the fact the message started @itshouldbeplonked
 
@ScarletAmaranth All hail the sparkling Bjarne.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes And preferably not his _case.
 
@MartinJames no need to reason with a hypocrite
 
@DeadMG I hate leading underscores
 
lol
 
New bin, how lovely. Shoggy must be really happy that you have created another lovely instance of the same old bin
 
haters be hatin'
I mean
Haters_be_hatin
 
ITT Stackoverflow bins is not of singleton pattern
 
oho just noticed that the file I'm reading is stamped "Google Confidential"
 
2:52 PM
Who's shoggy?
 
@Jefffrey some s. mod
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes why do you even know that song exists?
 
I know everything.
 
@Jefffrey o_0 where did that come up?
 
2:53 PM
@Jefffrey I have the CD.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes HPLHS?
 
@thecoshman you must have tellkitty plonked
3 mins ago, by sudo rm -rf Telkitty
New bin, how lovely. Shoggy must be really happy that you have created another lovely instance of the same old bin
 
A Very Scary Solstice is a parody album, mixing Christmas carols with the Cthulhu Mythos. It was produced and performed by members of the H. P. Lovecraft Historical Society. Track listing #"Have Yourself a Scary Little Solstice" – 2:30 #"Freddy the Red Brained Mi-Go" – 1:24 #"The Great Old Ones Are Coming To Town" – 1:11 #"The Carol of the Old Ones" – 1:16 #"Silent Night, Blasphemous Night" – 2:12 #"Awake Ye Scary Great Old Ones" – 1:30 #"Mi-Go We Have Heard on High" – 1:15 #"The Shoggoth Song" – 0:44 #"It's the Most Horrible Time of the Year"&nbs...
@thecoshman Yes.
 
@Jefffrey no shit
@R.MartinhoFernandes my misses has both of them :P
 
If I have time I have to start a new thread on meta "Stackoverflow bins and design pattern"
 
2:55 PM
meta hates you already.
 
"It's the Most Horrible Time of the Year" -- Oh man, that's so true
 
@Jefffrey That's one of my favourites.
 
BTW @Borgleader are you aware of the existence of OpenVG?
 
welp
new consultant appointment
 
2:58 PM
20th May.
 
lol these phone shapes
 
Meh - wots up with hardware this week? Now I have some audio earthing/leakage problem on my dev. box. I can hear my processor doing stuff. Moving the mouse cursor up and down the chat generates a sorta 'bird twittering' noise as each entry gets highlighted in turn:(
 
@BartekBanachewicz like every where else, why? you can't possibly think that would be a deterrence, or did you?
 
please kill me now
 
sudo kill -9 DeadMG
 
2:59 PM
Welp, Khronos StreamInput looks interesting too.
 

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