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9:08 AM
@ScottW Night.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes At least you still have trains going at that time of the night!
 
9:22 AM
@Mysticial did you ever go water?
 
@bamboon It's self-contained water.
But I swapped out the stock fan with an Ultra Kaze.
 
@Mysticial the corsair ones?
 
But even then, with the CPU at stock, it would hit 70C under load.
@bamboon yeah
It about 5 min. prime stable at 4.3 GHz stock vcore.
And temps going above 90C.
So I probably have a shitty chip.
4.2 GHz seems completely stable.
I'm currently testing it with a 1.21 vcore (stock is 1.20).
And if it holds, for a few days, I'll drop it to 4.0 GHz and put it back on my normal usage pipeline.
 
did you try to remount?
 
@bamboon I'm not the only one. Everyone on the internet is bitching about the Haswell temperatures.
The only real solution is to delid it. Hell no...
 
9:26 AM
@Mysticial Yeah, mines are also very bad but I am anyway going for silent.
 
I was hoping to get it up to 4.5 GHz prime stable so I can run it 4.2 GHz for normal use.
But looks like I'm gonna have to settle for 4.0 GHz.
I always keep a 200 - 300 MHz headroom from an overnight prime-stable configuration.
For 24/7 use that is.
 
That sounds like a good rule of thumb.
 
When I first built my SB machine, I ran it at 4.6 GHz for a few months. (4.7 GHz overnight prime-stable)
But that collapsed after 6 months.
It didn't seem to like the 1.45 vcore I gave it. :P
I eventually dropped it down to 4.2 GHz (4.5 overnight prime-stable).
With 1.24 vcore.
 
Mysticial torturing like a boss ^^
 
@bamboon It was nice sticking the radiator outside in the middle of the Chicago winter.
 
Xeo
9:32 AM
> I build computers. I overclock them. And I write software to torture the hell out of them.
:P
 
And putting 1.52 vcore in to run it at 5.3 GHz.
Only for a few benchmarks though.
 
@Mysticial Haha, yeah that sounds fun.
@Xeo ^^
 
9:45 AM
We'll see how far my FX-8350 will go.
But AFAICT, my Haswell machine fails to match the stock frequency of my Vishera rig.
 
Got the AMD for FMA4?
 
I was only supposed to get the AMD machine for the FMA4 and XOP.
But shit happened and I killed my Sandy Bridge machine.
So I ended up getting a Haswell mobo + CPU to take its place. Using all the other parts from the dead Sandy Bridge rig.
So now I have all this new hardware. And it's gonna be a while before my software catches up.
 
Just toying with it is also nice. :)
 
My FMA4/XOP code-paths that I wrote ages ago worked out-of-the-box on the AMD machine.
It was horrifically slow though.
But it worked.
It turns out that the Bulldozer and Piledriver lines have amazingly shitty 256-bit AVX performance.
So the XOP binary that worked out of the box was hilariously slow.
Only when I switched it over to 128-bit did I "fix" it.
But it was still only marginally faster than the SSE3 binary. I ended rewriting the automated parameter tuner and running it on the AMD machine. (The old auto-tuner was for < v0.5.5 and didn't compile in > v0.6.1)
That finally produced a binary that was significantly faster than the existing x64 SSE3 binary.
As for Haswell. The FMA3 binary also worked out-of-the-box. On both the Haswell and Vishera machines.
 
> AVX on AMD processors is slower than SSE2 on AMD processors.
lol
 
9:59 AM
But Haswell has a lot more than just FMA3. And there's a ton of things to toy around with. So the x64 AVX2 binary isn't gonna be released for a while. (even though it's already noticeably faster than the x64 AVX binary on my Haswell machine)
@bamboon Yeah. I only read about it before. Now that I actually have such a machine to play with, I can see exactly how bad it is.
 
Well, if I did such experiments and would get such bad results I would think that I made something wrong.
 
gimme a sec to run a few benchmarks
@bamboon But at least you can revert to 128-bit AVX/FMA and get very good performance.
 
10:15 AM
@bamboon Results:
AMD FX-8350 @ 4.0 GHz (stock): Pi - 250 million digits, v0.6.3

x86 SSE3              - 131.732
x64 SSE3 ~ Kasumi     - 84.200    (tuned for AMD K10)
x64 SSE4.1 ~ Ushio    - 86.246    (tuned for Intel Nehalem)
x64 AVX ~ Hina        - 115.083   (tuned for Intel Sandy Bridge)
x64 XOP ~ Miyu        - 83.142    (being tuned for AMD Piledriver)
x64 AVX2 ~ Airi       - 117.816   (to be tuned for Intel Haswell)*
*Right now, this AVX2 binary will run on AMD Piledriver because it only uses FMA3. It doesn't use any AVX2 yet.
The XOP binary uses 128-bit AVX/FMA4/XOP. It isn't much faster than SSE3 for this size though. The difference is bigger once you go above 1 billion digits.
 
yeah, that looks bad
 
Yes it does. 256-bit SIMD is just that bad on AMD.
And this is overall performance. Specifically the floating-point SIMD performance I measured to be about 1.8x slower with 256-bit than with 128-bit.
 
10:36 AM
The effect of FMA is a lot less on the AMD than the Intel machine. The author of Prime95 says the AMD's store-unit "has problems". Which - assuming it's the bottleneck would explain why FMA didn't help much - since it only makes computation faster.
 
11:11 AM
@Mysticial Are the rumors about Haswell heat problems true?
@Mysticial You could have bought the Xeon 1230 without integrated graphics and without the ability to overclock :D
 
user1804599
11:30 AM
Meh. PL/pgSQL has magic variables.
 
11:55 AM
yawn
 
I agree.
 
Xeo
Yo Puppy, survived the night?
 
yep.
nothing happened, it turned out.
time for MORE FUCKING CAKE.
 
Xeo
lol
 
hello
 
12:05 PM
WHAT THE FUUUUUUUUUCK! "Can't open file for writing" I give you the fucking permission, vim you piece of ****!
 
Xeo
Harro
 
Hello
 
opened by another program for writing?
 
user1804599
Guys.
 
user1804599
I’m pregnant.
 
Xeo
12:08 PM
gratz
 
@DeadMG Yes
 
Should the map range provide peeking? What should it do?
 
ugh i paid my uni
now I feel so sad
 
@rightfold Grats! Boy or girl?
@ScottW erm...
9 hours ago, by sehe
I'm off to bed
 
pregnant with a bad idea?
or not so bad evil plan?
 
12:17 PM
you can't get pregnant from looking in the mirror
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes no way!
 
@Mysticial I've been running my 2600K at 4.7 GHz for 2 years straight :)
 
user1804599
Yay. My function works.
 
@BartekBanachewicz :E
 
12:25 PM
@sehe No, but you can induce delivery:)
 
@rightfold What function? id?
 
user1804599
12:41 PM
@FredOverflow add_to_grow_order
 
afternoon
 
user1804599
morning
 
user1804599
I want goto case sx_op_rethrow;. :(
 
I want a million USD, so fucking what?
 
I want a billion.
 
12:47 PM
We should ask Bill Gates, he has too many anyways.
 
Bill gives lots of money to charity.
 
I'm starting a charity to receive his money.
I'll call it "Charity for the purpose of receiving money" :P
 
Bill gives away so much money and he's still getting richer. How does he do that?
 
@StackedCrooked is he getting richer?
 
So I read.
 
12:56 PM
speaking of charities, annual desert bus for hope starting up later today :D
 
> Diversifying from Microsoft was certainly smart. Gates is $9.8 billion richer since the start of 2013, according to Bloomberg's Billionaire Index. Plus, at the start of 2013, he was $7 billion richer than he was at the start of 2012.
 
not bad
 
it is terrible.
all that money could have gone to people who genuinely needed and/or deserved it.
 
making lots of money is a lot easier when you're a billionaire though
@DeadMG it is... Have you looked at how much money he's given to charities and to combating malaria and stuff like that?
(hint, it's over half)
 
clearly, he received $7billion more in 2012 than he gave to such causes?
 
1:01 PM
By the way those billions are not sitting idle on his bank account or something. They money is always in flow.
 
unless I'm just misinterpreting the quote.
 
user1804599
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@DeadMG Sure. But I don't see how it is terrible that someone who's dedicated to actually spending his money making the world a better place is also capable of earning money. Considering that the money could have gone to some other rich guy who's never given a fuck about charities, I think it could be a lot worse
 
well, it's certainly true that there are much worse people it could go to than Bill Gates.
 
trillions are going into war
 
1:08 PM
@rightfold haha
 
well
what we really need to do is abolish money and plan our economy centrally via computer
 
people are stupid, I don't see pet kitties or dogs working 10 hours a day
 
@DeadMG Are you from the Soviet Union?
 
no.
 
dumb people deserve to suffer, I have no sympathy ... with that said, they didn't ask to be born dumb. sigh, life isn't fair
 
1:11 PM
but I think it's obvious that we waste a large amount of our human effort doing nothing but attempting to screw other humans over.
 
That's the human race for you.
 
but then again super intelligent chick like myself are barren, we are reproductive failures, so there is nothing to celebrate about
 
Why does a chick have a sperm avatar?
 
that's a black snake
 
1:21 PM
New avatar ... a very attractive ... turtle
 
I still see the black snake.
 
@melak47 repetition fees
 
takes time for the server to push the new avatar thru
 
@rightfold lol :D
 
user1804599
1:36 PM
scala> :t List(List(1), Vector(1))
List[scala.collection.immutable.Seq[Int] with scala.collection.AbstractSeq[Int]{def companion: scala.collection.generic.GenericCompanion[scala.collection.immutable.Seq with scala.collection.AbstractSeq{def dropRight(n: Int): scala.collection.immutable.Seq[Any] with scala.collection.AbstractSeq[Any]; def takeRight(n: Int): scala.collection.immutable.Seq[Any] with scala.collection.AbstractSeq[Any]; def drop(n: Int): scala.collection.immutable.Seq[Any] with scala.collection.AbstractSeq[Any]; def take(n: Int): scala.collection.immutable.Seq[Any] with scala.col
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user1804599
lol
 
user1804599
It’s like C++, but worse.
 
Ell
Oh lord
 
@rightfold Is that a type or an error message?
 
user1804599
A data type.
 
1:43 PM
But ms is up
 
@JohanLarsson ms doesn't like you :(
 
but I'm like the only one who like them?
 
lol. Microsfot should take all the like they can get at now..
 
Maybe it is some hard to get scheme?
 
Does anyone know how I can scrape a ifram chat? (one that full in updates automatically)
 
user1804599
1:54 PM
No.
 
@BartekBanachewicz did you end up writing it in Haskell?
 
2:43 PM
Way! May backup copy completed after only 19 hours. Also, spicy pork meatballs.
 
@MartinJames that reminds me, I should probably do one soon. Last was months ago I think :E
 
@melak47 I still have more to do. I need to do an Acronis backup of the system on C:
 
bah, OS backups.
I don't want to backup all this crap I installed over the last year :E
 
@melak47 I gotta have a reloadable image.
 
why :D
 
user1804599
3:03 PM
æ…………
 
who's been missing me?
 
3:22 PM
@rightfold IMPOSSIBRU
 
Sigh.
The reasoning of some people.
They criticized somebody for what they did, and said they could have avoided it by giving false witness.
Ah.
It hurts so much.
 
Is Florida reputed to be "marginaal"? (@sehe do you know the English word?)
 
3:39 PM
marginal?
 
Heya jeff.
 
heya guy
 
From a height of 2000 feet, which is about 600 meter.
 
people have survived longer falls from planes.
once you get above terminal velocity distance it's all the same
 
I know of one woman who survived a 10 km drop.
 
3:42 PM
@DeadMG most frequently though, falling at terminal velocity tends to be... well, terminal
 
true.
 
Oh.
@DeadMG I was going to ask you, what do you think about civil disobedience?
 
strikes and such?
 
@Pawnguy7 kill them that disobey, I say
fuck democracy
 
civil disobedience is a normal outcome of what happens when two people who have some power can't agree.
it's basically war, but we accept it because it's restricted to only economic battle.
 
3:44 PM
@DeadMG Could be. I was thinking of the classic (or original, more so) Gandhi.
And I was thinking.
 
also it is a lot better than uncivil disobedience!
 
I don't actually know anything about him.
 
I don't know much on it either.
Something about salt, I think.
 
and tequila?
 
Anyway, I was wondering if it is a subjective thing.
 
3:45 PM
I wonder if it is survivable if you fall in the sea. Like the Florida man.
 
i.e. we support it only so long as we agree with it.
 
well
there is a difference between supporting civil disobedience in general, and supporting one particular side in a dispute.
 
Yes.
It seems, today, it is the former.
 
@StackedCrooked Nope. Surface tension makes falling onto water at that velocity practically falling on to concrete.
 
But I doubt it isn't the latter.
 
3:47 PM
@DeadMG But the sea can be a little rocky which breaks the tension.
 
@DeadMG heh, I was jsut about to correct you on that height/velocity thing ;)
 
Now, here was my thought.
 
@StackedCrooked Maybe, but it's not that much.
even if you fell into the sea and it arbitrarily had zero surface tension
 
zch
I don't think it's about surface tension, still you decelerate too fast to survive.
 
you'd still have the problem of how deep you go, hypothermic shock, finding your way back to the surface, not getting eaten by a shark
 
3:48 PM
Today, some people still practice civil disobedience, in what most would describe as a discriminatory manner.
 
@DeadMG I'm reminded of painful belly flops in the pool.
 
@DeadMG well, the question was whether you could survive the fall (as in, survive making contact with the surface), not what'd happen to you afterwards
 
Yet everybody seems to praise Gandhi.
 
1 min ago, by zch
I don't think it's about surface tension, still you decelerate too fast to survive.
^
 
@Pawnguy7 That's because I'll bet that virtually nobody actually knows what Gandhi did or did not do.
 
3:49 PM
@DeadMG let's ignore the sharks for now :P
 
the fact is that his name is basically synonymous with "peace", and the realities of his situation are probably unknown to almost everybody who invokes it.
 
zch
You have to displace the water and it just has density.
 
it's symbolic, rather than actually praising the man himself.
 
@jalf by taking a diving position when falling :)
 
Hard to say.
 
3:50 PM
@jalf Well, I think that if you somehow take surface tension out of it, you can do.
 
I am just thinking of the act.
 
@Pawnguy7 huh? I don't follow. What's the connection between praising Gandhi, and people practicing civil disobedience in a discriminatory manner? (Also, what do you mean by the "discriminatory manner" thing?)
 
Is letting AVG fix registry errors a good idea?
 
zch
What's the terminal velocity for human?
 
I heard that if you use some other tough object, like a sheet of metal, to break the surface tension, you can land on water at terminal velocity and be relatively unharmed.
 
3:51 PM
@DeadMG I know what he did. I saw the movie.
 
@jalf They are both acts of civil disobedience
 
@JohanLarsson Having AVG installed is not a good idea.
@Pawnguy7 Praising Gandhi is not civil disobedience.
 
oh I just installed it
 
@Pawnguy7 but you seemed to imply that there was some contradiction between the two
 
@DeadMG No. I am saying, what he did is praised.
Much like freedom fighting is.
 
3:52 PM
As in, you don't understand why some people would praise Gandhi, when some people (who are not necessarily the same as the first group) "practice civil disobedience in a discriminatory manner"
 
What I am saying is.
 
@Pawnguy7 As per usual, freedom fighting is quite subjectively defined as opposed to terrorism.
 
You cannot support the concept.
But despise different applications.
 
@Pawnguy7 Why not?
every situation is different.
 
3:53 PM
Which seems to me like saying "some people don't like cake, and yet some people are bank robbers"
 
you would be a fool to blindly support or disapprove of a strike, just because it's a strike.
 
Yes.
But then, why would you say you approve the concept of striking?
Let me try this in a different way.
There seems to be an idea today that you should stand for what you believe. Would you agree or disagree?
 
<- am still trying to see a connection between all the things you bring up
without much luck, I have to say
 
didn't we already have this conversation about how the Republicans are behaving and stuff right now?
I believe that you should stand for whatever will bring the greatest results.
and if standing for what you believe in won't deliver the greatest results, then don't stand for it.
 
Well.
There are a fair amount of people that think terrorist attacks are justified.
Until it hits them, of course.
 
3:56 PM
the problem with terrorist attacks is that the receiving country never views them objectively or has a proportionate response or learns a useful lesson.
 
If you want to achieve any kind of change, then you have to act in support of it. Whether you "should" or not seems like missing the point. You have no universal objective moral obligation to do so, it is your choice
 
compared to what the US did to Iran, for example, 9/11 is nothing, and it's also nothing compared to the damage the US has suffered pursuing the people it perceives as responsible.
 
Quite possible.
Hey, here is an idea: topic switch.
Do two wrongs make a right?
 
depends on the wrongs and the right in question.
 
@Pawnguy7 It's just terminology. When it is done against you, it is terrorism. When you do it, it is either war or heroic rebellion or something like that
 
3:58 PM
@DeadMG How so?
 
well, if I define "wrong" as "Turn 135 degrees to the left" and "right" as "Turn 90 degrees to the right", it's pretty clear that if you do the wrong thing twice, you will end up as if you had done the right thing.
 

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