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4:00 PM
@TonyTheLion Buy one on downing street :P
 
Played it perfectly fine from the week it released until yesterday. And yesterday, when it tries to start up, it restarts, tells me there was a problem that caused it to restart, and if the problem continues, I need to reinstall the Install disc.
 
No thanks
 
@TonyTheLion Mayfair then! :P
 
And the only solution I've found online but haven't tried yet is to completely wipe all the GTA V data from my hard drive... but I'm 1 mission away from completing the single player story... :(
 
Drink every time a bank evaluates your credit score
@Xeo Pfeh, renting. I once moved two times in two weeks.
 
4:01 PM
@TonyTheLion How much do you pay for a decent flat for a single person in zone 1? Anything below 1e6 GBP?
 
I have renting mastered by now.
 
@TonyTheLion Of course buying a city is gonna be expensive.
 
@us2012 Actually you can find decent things for 500k GBP, but not in zone 1
 
That is... a lot.
 
though, close enough
 
4:02 PM
@TonyTheLion That is a friggin lot of cash.
 
@CatPlusPlus Yes, that is a lot
 
@TonyTheLion Holy hell.
 
@TonyTheLion You are living in Mayfair then?
 
As I said, London is expensive.
 
In a penthouse?
 
@TonyTheLion Come to Montreal.
 
@GamesBrainiac I wish.
@EtiennedeMartel Are you still offering me a job?
 
Holy hell tony, how do you people live?
 
@GamesBrainiac If someone is offering you a Mayfair penthouse for 500k, you're being scammed.
 
@TonyTheLion It's not like the job went away.
 
4:03 PM
@TonyTheLion No, he's inviting to to be his drinking buddy :P
 
@EtiennedeMartel Maybe you found someone
 
@TonyTheLion Haha, no.
 
@GamesBrainiac We have Mumble for that.
 
@CatPlusPlus 60k for what?
 
@EtiennedeMartel So what you're saying is that nobody wants to work for you. :v
 
4:04 PM
ohhh Mumble
 
A competent programmer looking for a job in the games industry? That doesn't exist in Montreal.
 
@TonyTheLion Two-room flat.
 
Those who are competent already have a job and are quite happy with it.
 
Near city centre.
 
@CatPlusPlus You can buy a toilet for that here in London.
 
4:05 PM
If you pay 500K per year. How much do you have to friggin earn dammit?
 
and maybe the pipes too
 
@GamesBrainiac We're talking about BUYING a flat.
 
@GamesBrainiac Buy...
 
Good thing I'm never going abroad.
 
Oh.....................................................
 
4:05 PM
but across the road from work there is a penthouse for rent at 18k GBP per month
 
And this is new flat, too, not second-hand one.
 
500k dsnt sound that much then
 
For 500k GBP I could buy an entire street.
 
@CatPlusPlus Thats cuz you're in Poland.
 
For 1.6 mill GBP I can buy a nice penthouse in London.
 
4:06 PM
I used to live at Puaska Road in Warsaw
Rent was damn cheap, but we lived in a palace.
 
GBP is one of stronger currencies out there, how the fuck do you arrive at prices like that
 
Xeo
Tbh, I don't see why you'd want to buy a flat.
 
man, I live in a toilet and it still costs me a fortune
 
user1804599
For 500k GBP you can buy an average house and you own it for only 50% in the Netherlands.
 
user1804599
:|
 
4:07 PM
@CatPlusPlus Build hotels on it.
 
@Xeo house is too big
 
@EtiennedeMartel With hookers and blackjack.
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@TonyTheLion Bring ladies in it.
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion But why not just rent a flat?
 
@CatPlusPlus I just bought a house
 
4:07 PM
I'd buy a house if I had a car. And patience to clean it.
 
@Xeo its expensive
 
@Xeo I think he's doing that.
 
@not-rightfold Pretty sure those aren't central Amsterdam prices.
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus Cleaning is fun.
 
at least paying a mortgage every month means at the end you own something, rent is just wasted money
 
4:08 PM
Because that 300k PLN is about what houses outside of the city cost.
Also you have to deal with people.
 
You're dealing with people in this room
 
@CatPlusPlus Where do you live? Warsaw? Gdansk? Krakow?
 
well some of us aren't people
 
And the lease agreements are restrictive as fuck
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion Hm. I'm paying 400eur / month for my 45m² flat. in 10 years, that's 48k - still not close to what Cat said he'd pay for a flat. Of course it depends on how big the flat is. But still, I don't know if I'd still be living here in 10 years - highly unlikely, actually, for this very flat at least.
 
user1804599
4:09 PM
@GamesBrainiac Wroclaw.
 
user1804599
Unless he moved. :P
 
@not-rightfold lol
 
@Xeo Actually that flat is 70k€.
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus As I said, not close.
 
So right about the credit length.
 
Xeo
4:10 PM
How big is the flat?
 
@Xeo I'm paying 950 Euro per month for my flat, and its a single bedroom flat. (not sure how large it is in square metres, but not that large)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit So you bought a mayfair penthouse?
 
40-something.
 
user1804599
You can’t buy a house in the Netherlands if you’re single or not insanely rich.
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion OW
 
user1804599
4:11 PM
It’s idiotic.
 
@not-rightfold Whaaa?
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus ... yeah
 
I'm paying 200€ for a room.
 
I thought dutch people had it good. Students get free bus rides.
 
For a room I'd pay like 700 Euro a month
 
4:11 PM
@TonyTheLion Only a room?
 
yea, if you want anything larger than a toilet
 
user1804599
@GamesBrainiac Well, it’s expensive, and if you have a partner you only have to pay half the price (duh), and the unrelated taxes you still have to pay anyway.
 
Xeo
That's just crazy
 
It is a bit crazy, yea
 
@not-rightfold Hmmm, so most houses are hereditary?
 
user1804599
4:12 PM
If I would buy a house right now, I would have to pay 800 euros each month for thirty years.
 
Xeo
"A bit"?
Really?
 
@Xeo It's an investment right. I actually hate that I'm on owner's pity when it comes to even stupid things like laying LAN cables.
 
@not-rightfold Why not save up, and just buy it in one go?
 
user1804599
@GamesBrainiac No. Most people either already have a house or still live with their parents.
 
4:13 PM
@TonyTheLion That's about what I pay for my 4.5 room appartment.
 
@not-rightfold I "only" 480€ for 25 years.
 
And I'm a 20 minute walk away from downtown.
 
@not-rightfold You can be single and still live together with somebody else.
 
user1804599
Oh, fun thing.
 
That's because nobody wants to live in Canada.
 
user1804599
4:13 PM
If you make more money, you’ll also have to pay more.
 
I have to drive 12 miles to work and it takes me an hour one way
 
@not-rightfold In my country. The husband usually provides a brand new apartment or house for the family, when they get married. The house is usually provided by the husband, but sometimes the parents pay for it as a wedding gift.
 
@CatPlusPlus Nobody wants to live in Toronto.
 
user1804599
Because those idiots of the government thought that was a good idea.
 
user1804599
It’s “fair.”
 
4:14 PM
@EtiennedeMartel woah
 
Aside from that, the cold makes you stronger.
 
Until then, guys usually live with their parents.
 
@not-rightfold That's... not how credits work.
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, for me there's still the question of actually living in the same place for 10 years.
 
@GamesBrainiac The husband pays the house? That's sexism.
 
4:14 PM
@EtiennedeMartel That sounds fair. But 700 Euro for a single room is a bit much.
 
Xeo
"A bit"? Again?
 
@Xeo For me that's the only reason I'm still not buying at this time too
 
@Xeo You can very well sell the flat, but moving is tedious and I'd rather not. At all.
 
I'm not really sure yet where I finally want to end up
 
@Xeo nightmare
 
4:15 PM
God knows I do want to go live with Etienne some day :P
 
@FredOverflow How? I have to start saving up from now, so that I can afford a house.
 
@TonyTheLion Didn't we discuss this recently and came to an agreeable solution? ;)
 
user1804599
I wonder how much money I would pay if I bought a home in Flanders.
 
or move in with @ScottW <3
 
And a flat in centre is fine wherever my job wouldn't be.
 
4:15 PM
@FredOverflow In my grave, I know.
 
@TonyTheLion I have a couch.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Couch is good for me
 
@TonyTheLion Weren't you planning the same with Scotty?
 
@GamesBrainiac How is "The human with the penis pays" not sexism?
 
user1804599
lol
 
4:16 PM
@GamesBrainiac lol
 
user1804599
1.685,91 euros per month in Belgium.
 
user1804599
For 40 years.
 
Where in Belgium is that?
 
@FredOverflow I think its completely normal. Here men earn the money to pay for everything, and women take care of their children. Women here only work if people are tight for cash.
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow What about lesbian marriages?
 
4:17 PM
Belgium.
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion Belgium.
 
City?
 
Same place as all the fries and beer and waffles.
 
fuck you all.
 
@TonyTheLion Belgium.
 
4:17 PM
Belgium != Belgium
@CatPlusPlus that's not a fucking city
 
user1804599
Ah, 1.114,- euro in Netherlands.
 
There's only one city in Belgium and it's called Belgium.
 
@TonyTheLion That's what they want you to believe.
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion het gaat om hypotheek. I’m not a milionair. Average house; 300k.
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Welcome to Belgium. It's in Belgium. [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq] [no-questions]
 
user1804599
4:19 PM
Unless houses are somehow cheaper in Belgium. At least they look cheaper.
 
I think the best place right now is Luxemburg, awesome healthcare, and they pay you like crazy even for sweeping streets! :)
 
It depends on location.
 
@GamesBrainiac I never claimed Sexism wasn't normal :)
 
A house might be expensive in Belgium, but cheap in Belgium.
 
user1804599
Best place is Switzerland or Norway because it isn’t in fucking European Union.
 
4:20 PM
I'm gonna go ahead and start using "Belgium" as a metasyntactic variable.
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user1804599
Like the Norwegian flag, it’s a big plus.
 
@CatPlusPlus I think you're supposed to italicize the second belgium.
 
@CatPlusPlus This is so Belgium.
 
Belgium belgium Belgium belgium belgium belgium Belgium belgium
 
user1804599
lol
 
4:22 PM
Wait till Luffy gets here! :)
 
user1804599
I want nasi goreng.
 
He's not from Belgium. He's from Belgium.
 
Brought to you by Belgium Inc., the leading (only) Belgium company
 
I like Belgian chocolate :)
 
user1804599
I like Belgian women :)
 
4:23 PM
They're hotter in Quebec.
 
user1804599
Belgian women in Quebec are just as hot as in Belgium.
 
(Being hot is a requirement to survive the tough winter)
 
@EtiennedeMartel Since you're not, you drink shitloads of beer.
Now I get it.
 
Like a viking. From Belgium.
 
@GamesBrainiac There's this lady who keeps telling me I'm hot.
 
user1804599
4:24 PM
He drinks rainbow’s, because they’re spicy.
 
I think there's some underlying message in there.
 
She must be into ponies
Try showing her some
 
Punchline: she isn't.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Nah. Probably wants more of your beer.
@CatPlusPlus And rainbows, don't forget that Kitty! :P
Haskell has a sexy logo! :)
 
Don't do drugs, it might affect your credit score
 
4:28 PM
@CatPlusPlus Still playing GTA V?
 
I'm not playing GTA V at all.
 
@CatPlusPlus They do a hard check on you or something?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes curiosity got the pirate, do you just rely on private key for security, or do you use some sort of service to block persistent IPs from attempting to 'hack' in
 
@thecoshman I have all ports closed in my firewall and I have fail2ban running.
 
SMPP sucks dammit.
 
4:30 PM
@thecoshman Security of what?
 
We're all fellow file sharers here, right?
 
No, you filthy criminal
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes running fail2ban for actual 'security' or more to help reduce the crap in the logs?
> the computing equivalent of trying to unlock a door by throwing a box full of keys at it.
lol :P
 
Ell
4:36 PM
Holy moly
 
@CatPlusPlus Banished is also made by one guy.
 
But C# is bad for games or something
 
@CatPlusPlus C# is good for everything, Shuttup.
 
user1804599
C# is bad.
 
@GamesBrainiac Gamedevs are bad
 
Xeo
4:44 PM
:(
 
@Xeo Did you die in a virtual online game?
 
Xeo
Yes, it's called "The Lounge" and my heart died because some random cat told me I'm bad. :(
 
@Xeo you are bad
 
You're not bad therefore you're not gamedev
 
Xeo
lol
 
user1804599
4:47 PM
This is an exception.
 
user1804599
Oh wait gamedevs don’t use exceptions.
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user1804599
It’s too slow!
 
@CatPlusPlus Contraposition :P
 
@Xeo You're bad to the bone.
@not-rightfold lol
 
user1804599
I need a new Turing machine.
 
4:53 PM
@not-rightfold I actually tried to use (C++) exceptions. They simply aren't mature enough to use in a lot of places.
 
That's C++
 
MSVC in particular has some shitty bugs that get in the way.
 
:laffo:
 
user1804599
lolmsvc
 
user1804599
MSVC implements C+, not C++.
 
4:55 PM
If I try to catch an exception through a super-class exception, it slices it. Even if I catch it by reference.
 
user1804599
I wish I could throw from a dtor.
 
I've never seen that
 
Ell
@not-rightfold Here you go: db.ing.puc.cl/turingmachine
 
Make a testcase, because you're doing something wrong
 
The only time I've wanted to throw from a dtor is when the object is a file handle.
 
user1804599
4:56 PM
If an exception would already be propagating, it should attach it to the other exception.
 
Xeo
@Mysticial Err, no
 
@Mysticial Don't
 
user1804599
@Ell Not powerful enough.
 
Xeo
Definitly no
 
user1804599
I need a hardware Turing machine.
 
4:57 PM
@Xeo It might have been combined with some other effect such as MSVC copying rather than moving when I throw.
 
Xeo
Nope
For all I know, MSVC gets exceptions right, at least
 
user1804599
ITT: Mysticial doesn’t know C++.
 
You're bad
 
user1804599
Maybe you did superclass foo() { return subclass(); } throw foo();?
 
@Xeo throw object(blah); in MSVC will copy the object rather than move it. Is that how it's supposed to work?
MSVC won't let me throw non-copyable objects.
 
4:58 PM
I don't think you can throw non-copyable object
Why would you anyway, use Boost.Exception.
 
@thecoshman fail2ban is a service to block persistent IPs from attempting to 'hack' in, no?
Why are you throwing non-copyable objects anyway?
Throwing mutices would be cool.
 
user1804599
lol
 
user1804599
> mutices
 
Mutii
 
Those are non-movable.
 
Xeo
5:05 PM
@Mysticial Huh, that's a bug, then. However, that shouldn't slice - can you show the throwing code?
 
user1804599
I want to throw void.
 
Throwing throws the static type of the expression.
base& b = thing;
throw b; // slices
 
@Xeo ideone seems to be down:
 
Xeo
@Mysticial Coliru.
 
But it isn't long. This doesn't compile in MSVC:
gimme a sec
 
5:07 PM
And also this:
And this:
 
user1804599
Not to mention the following:
 
Assume that a throw expression is a call to template<typename T> [[noreturn]] void throw(T);.
 
Xeo
Almost fitting.
 
^^ Doesn't complie on MSVC.
It linker errors to the copy constructor.
 
Xeo
4 mins ago, by Xeo
@Mysticial Huh, that's a bug, then. However, that shouldn't slice - can you show the throwing code?
I acknowledge the copy-fail, but what about the slicing?
 
5:10 PM
MSVC suxxorz.
 
@Xeo hmm... my SSCCE isn't slicing. lol
 
@Mysticial See above,
 
I'll have to check the main code base to see what else is there.
 
Xeo
@Mysticial suxxorz
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes When you need to tell the compiler 'this codepath will not return', what do you use again?
 
5:13 PM
@LucDanton Some GCC builtin.
__builtin_unreachable
 
Yeah but you hide that behind a macro/function call no?
 
Ah, yeah. WHEELS_UNREACHABLE, I think.
Function would not work without noreturn
 
You could turn that into a void point_of [[noreturn]] ();, substituting the compiler-specific attribute in the meantime!
 
5:40 PM
hi
 
@GamesBrainiac Yeah.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Dammit, now we won't hear the end of it.
 
@GamesBrainiac "The end of it"
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Need to turn on the TTS to actually hear it. Sounds too much like work.
Oh wait. Here we go.
 
Alright, back to the futures.
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5:46 PM
@LucDanton How long have you been waiting for an excuse to use that line?
 
Oct 2 at 15:37, by Luc Danton
> struct AlternativeFuture
Generally speaking I'm having a lot fun with this :p
Well I say that, but I'm also facing head-scratchingly hard design decisions, too.
For instance: what if a thread pool type is able to prepare future values, and you have two objects of that type? Should you expect future values from different pools to interoperate, and if so how and to what extent?
Oh well. There's a precedent in that you can't e.g. compare just any two iterators of the same type.
 

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