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12:42 AM
Amirite?
Whew, this room sure cleared out.
 
@mootinator ofcourseyouare
 
Funny story: Watching a rerun of "The New Adventures of Old Christine" I thanked my wife for planning a cliche bachelor party for me.
So, she says "Your bachelor party wasn't cliche, you guys played laser tag, that's very geeky."
2 minutes later, pan to scene of groom party playing laser tag.
:P
 
nice!
 
My theory proved uninteresting to others.
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A: What programming language is this?

mootinatorHere's my Sherlock Holmes opinion of this code: The syntax of the :# appears to be: :#{variablename}={TableName}//{IdColumn}//{DescriptionColumn}[//Condition] eg: :#PCA=Campaign//CampId//CampDesc//CampBusId = 2 would generate: SELECT CampId AS Id, CampDesc AS Description FROM Campaign WHE...

 
I upvote you tho because I helped (sorta) create that theory
 
12:52 AM
Whoo.
You got me off the entirely wrong track =)
 
lol
so I just remembered to ask my boss and dba, sent a mailto: we'll see if they have an idea
 
I'll be surprised if it turns out to be related to a commercial product at all.
 
yay "include actual query execution plan" ... :|
 
O_o
 
something like that .... SSMS and all that jazz
 
1:06 AM
brb
Uh oh.
 
uhoh whatoh?
 
I depend too much on automation.
 
as do I my good sir
 
1:55 AM
Talking to tech support people is pointless.
"I'm sorry, your problem isn't covered by my script. I will, however repeat the assertion that you must be mistaken over and over."
 
2:23 AM
^_^
If I worked in a cubicle, I would print out my database schema and pin it to the wall. Since I do not work in a cubicle, I am too lazy to walk upstairs to the printer then carry this printout with me.
I need to remember that thing I add to my shell config to keep SSH sessions from timing out
ClientAliveInterval in the sshd_config, that was it
 
2:46 AM
I need to design a system which doesn't need to be designed.
 
An artificial neural network (ANN), usually called "neural network" (NN), is a mathematical model or computational model that is inspired by the structure and/or functional aspects of biological neural networks. A neural network consists of an interconnected group of artificial neurons, and it processes information using a connectionist approach to computation. In most cases an ANN is an adaptive system that changes its structure based on external or internal information that flows through the network during the learning phase. Modern neural networks are non-linear statistical data modelin...
 
I could take your money and spend several months writing a web application for your off site staff to use.
...or they could just use Citrix like the on site staff.
Whichever.
 
groans
In artificial intelligence, genetic programming (GP) is an evolutionary algorithm-based methodology inspired by biological evolution to find computer programs that perform a user-defined task. It is a specialization of genetic algorithms (GA) where each individual is a computer program. It is a machine learning technique used to optimize a population of computer programs according to a fitness landscape determined by a program's ability to perform a given computational task. History In 1954, GP began with the evolutionary algorithms first used by Nils Aall Barricelli applied to evoluti...
I've done GP to have software write software for me before... :)
 
heh
 
I took over the university's compute cluster for a few hours while my program evolved itself
each node has 4 quad-core opteron 8378s, 16 cores total, i miss those machines :(
surprisingly i can still SSH in.. hmm
 
2:54 AM
lol
 
i havent been a student in more than half a year
 
I think I finally had all my privileges revoked 4-5 years after I worked at my uni.
 
I think the code I just wrote is ugly
I feel bad that I am not motivated enough to make it beautiful
 
I'm sad I have no interest in any questions on SO today. I need a puzzle :P
I committed to the code golf site on Area51 ;)
 
3:00 AM
Weeblys wobble but they don't fall down.
 
You see the puzzle right? :)
 
Yep
 
3:16 AM
blech
 
3:31 AM
6 users online. Tavern has dead
 
I'm amusing myself with Dan's puzzle shhhh
 
uhm, i don't see any puzzle there
 
That's part of the puzzle
I've said too much
 
it is js
in the page sources
i'm too boring to send request though
 
course
I'm just doing more work than it asks
 
3:42 AM
you want to work there?
 
No, I just wanted some sort of puzzle to work on.
 
"Must be willing to relocate to or near San Francisco, CA." haha, i am willing to relocate there
@mootinator: look at the dropbox hiring puzzles
they have several sexy ones
here they are
 
sweet
I bet they weren't expecting me to throw in that infinite loop
 
@zerkms "Files can be rotated 90° if it helps." <--- /me is trying to rotate his laptop to gain more of storage space
 
3:57 AM
@OlegKuznetsov: it is significant remark for that issue though
 
4:33 AM
@zerk
stupid autocomplete
@zerkms Hey, what did you say your new Kohana route method is ?
just tried url::site but that isnt it
 
Route::url(0
 
ah thats it
many thanks
google failed me
or i failed google should i say
On two occasions I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.
 
when speaking of search engines, you often do get the right answers even if you put in the wrong figures
so many people cannot spell that the computer must fix our inputs
 
true
 
i burned through this battery super fast browsing youtube :( back downstairs to plug in...
 
4:48 AM
Never did finish that puzzle.
Stupid work needing me.
And being difficult to persuade to do the correct thing.
 
5:12 AM
@DanGrossman Ah... Vaguely amusing.
 
5:26 AM
hmm.. apparently i cant have a WHERE clause in the UPDATE clause of an INSERT INTO...ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE query :(
 
>:(
 
why sql, why do you force me to send you extra queries??
 
5:49 AM
@DanGrossman It is a cruel, cruel world of software development :(
 
I now have several very large classes of very untested DB code
I should probably write some tests and see if any of it works
I'm still skeptical about these magic functions Doctrine creates
$et = Doctrine_Core::getTable('EventType')->findOneByProductIdAndDescription($product_id, $event_name);
through the magic of PHP, I can't even look to see if such a function exists, since it really doesn't until invocation
gah and now my editor is crashing
curses Java
 
6:14 AM
sorry I don't know
 
6:24 AM
omg, how to bind date using oci_bind_by_name()???
 
never used Oracle with PHP
I used Oracle with a C++ program but I don't really remember anything about that either
 
6:53 AM
hmm I need to learn nginx
I have Apache serving wildcard subdomains (*.example.com), but I want just dev.example.com to point to a different server... AND they all need to use the wildcard SSL certificate.. hopefully nginx in front can do that for me
 
hi
 
hi @Pramodh
 
@DanGrossman , hi.... how are you?
 
7:12 AM
omg
Obama on sorting 32-bit integers
 
7:57 AM
hi
how to run a batch file so that no dll registerd successfully messages appear
?
anyone
 
Ask on stackoverflow.com
 
its /s in parameter
if everyting is to be asked on SO than work Live shd be removed from SO chat
whatever
 
8:14 AM
there's nobody here to answer questions, it's the middle of the night in north america
 
8:47 AM
And early morning in Europe, so no one wants to answer things either :P
 
 
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12:22 PM
ahem ahem
 
 
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1:41 PM
good morning
 
Mornin @Sagar
 
How are you sir?
 
meh... I'm at work... so I could be better :P
 
lol
Well, it is Tuesday, so the weekend is almost here...
 
2:00 PM
You have a strange definition of "almost"
 
I'm just trying to get through the week :P
lol
 
2:13 PM
@CodingGorilla to @Sagar the week-end is almost done since Monday :)
If you think it and you take 3 days of holidays, it's possible :)
 
lol I wish I could take three days of holiday just like that. However, next week I will have Thursday - Sunday off :D Thanksgiving!
@shingara - yes, once Monday is over, the weekend is almost here :D
 
;)
 
guys, anyone here familiar with opengl?
 
no I made only web application
 
@Anton not me
Interesting question:
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Q: Why Color.FromArgb(255, 255, 255, 255) != Color.White ?

devdeptWhy Color.FromArgb(255, 255, 255, 255) is not equal to Color.White ? Is there any built-in way to compare only A,R,G,B values and not color names? Thanks.

 
 
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3:40 PM
@CodingGorilla Nah, we just need to goto 28/6 instead of 24/7 ... surely you've seen the xkcd on that one?
 
Hello
 
@drachenstern haha
 
how do you deal with arrogant developers?
extremely arrogant
 
@mootinator good morning
 
3:43 PM
give them a raise!
 
@Xaisoft I tend to tell them to sod off
you should really give a more complete detailing of the account
usually blowing off steam by recanting why you're upset to an outsider is a good way to deal with them
also, /me organically up to 2444 :D
 
arrogant developers who don't really know anything, but are too afraid to admit when they are wrong or when they have made a mistake. They simply can't just say "I don't know how to fix the problem" They have to dance around it.
 
@drachenstern clap
 
@drachenstern nice!
 
3:46 PM
@Xaisoft Isn't that more like being a yes man than arrogance.
 
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Q: Sequential UID generation for MySQL Char() or other Field

Aiden BellHi All, Tried Googling but: Question: Best way to externally generate Sequential UID values for a MySQL field which must be representable as a string. Reason: Generic UUID-ish values for in-order inserts for performance of writes and date prefixing for read speed when searching the index from ...

question self-pimping
 
i guess so
 
@SuitUp this is so wrong and I'm not going to go into why it's wrong here ...
 
@Xaisoft the best thing to do is to vent to someone else (note, not vent at, vent to)
lol
what's the deal anyway?
 
@drachenstern it can be fun ;]
 
3:54 PM
@SuitUp That is kind of funny.
 
 
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6:05 PM
"I found out that in your muscles, there are nerves sending signals throughout your body" ... the start of a pharmaceutical commercial ... this 40 year old woman JUST FOUND OUT nerves exist from her doctor? Not in middle school?
 
7:02 PM
@DanGrossman LOL
 
 
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8:39 PM
Anyone here know Ruby, XMPP (Jabber), or better yet both?
 
tumbleweed
 
LOL
@mootinator that's not very encouraging ;-)
 
@Josh No, but it shore is quiet 'round these parts lately.
 
@mootinator I haven't been here in a while, been to busy in the "real" tavern ;-)
 
Aha!
 
8:54 PM
Well, that would require me getting karma on meta.SO, which is impossible.
 
nearly impossible
 
@DanGrossman Nah, not that hard to do
I had to fight tooth and nail for my first 1K rep there. Then the other 1.5k cam without effort
@Dan just post an image with a freehand circle, and you'll get 20 rep easily
 
lol
 
Look how easy this was!
 
But I'm not interested in pretending I know how to fix SO bugs in order to use a chat room...
 
8:56 PM
201 rep from a single question...
And for a sockpuppet no less! ;-)
 
Eesh
 
LOL
 
I wonder why meta.so has separate reputation from so in the first place
in a forum it'd just be a subforum for meta discussions, not a separate site with separate logins and separate profiles
 
It's snowing.
 
@DanGrossman The other sites are like that now
but in the beginning, meta was it's own site. If they changed rep there, riots would insue :-)
Meta is a community all it's own at this point
 
9:05 PM
That's just strange, to say that you want to be part of the community of bug fixers but not the community of users.
 
@DanGrossman It's more than bug fixers. It's more like community moderators, members who want to shape the direction of all sites
Meta is for questions about all the sites themselves. Far more than just bugs :-)
And almost everyone on meta is a member of at least one of the individual communities. But some people start to feel a better use of their time is guiding the community instead of answering individual questions on any site
And some like me just got wrapped up in Meta's unique culture :-)
 
@DanGrossman SE > SO
That is all.
meta.SO covers SO and SE
Sorry ;)
 
in The Tavern (General) on Meta Stack Overflow Chat, 58 secs ago, by Michael Mrozek
You can look at meta as an SE site whose focus is SE itself. People that are active on the sites tend to get pretty good at them, and clearly they like answering questions, so it's a perfect combination. They know the answers to questions about the engine, and they like answering
 
And with that said, I'll go back to the real tavern.
 
Them's fightin' words.
 
9:15 PM
Why isn't it meta.stackexchange.com then
 
LOL
@DanGrossman because it predates stackexchange.com
It predates superuser.com even
 
So? :)
The "permanently moved" header exists for a reason
 
meta.chat.meta.stackexchange.com
 
@DanGrossman You should ask that as a question on Meta ;-)
(It will be downvoted to hell, but...)
 
closed as duplicate I'm sure
 
9:17 PM
probably
 
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Q: What is meta.stackexchange.com?

chanchal1987 Possible Duplicate: Why do we ask Area 51 questions here (meta.stackoverflow) rather than on meta.stackexchange? What is meta.stackexchange.com and what is the difference between the websites http://meta.stackoverflow.com/ and http://meta.stackexchange.com/ ?

 
besides @Dan, if you create an account on meta and associate your accounts you get +100 rep, and can chat in the "real" Tavern already :-)
 
Instant status-declined
 
@Josh I have an account on meta, associated with 3 other accounts, and don't even have 20 rep
Dan Grossman, Pennsylvania, USA
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@DanGrossman I think that's a bug maybe...
But this is a good answer
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A: Add Export Log feature to chat.

Dan GrossmanYou can bookmark conversations (slices of room transcripts) already, and save the page if you want a copy. You'd also have to make the legal considerations... if someone's going to consume chat transcripts as XML into a program, are they really going to follow the CCSA license on the content? I...

So there, now you can chat on MSO chat if you wanted to :-)
 
9:51 PM
ping
 
burp
I mean pong
 
Toblerone ( in English and in German) is a chocolate bar made by Kraft Foods, who acquired former owner Jacobs Suchard in 1990. It is well-known for its distinctive packaging, its prism shape (triangular prism or pentahedron) and its ubiquity in airport duty-free shops. The triangular shape of the Matterhorn in the Swiss Alps is commonly believed to have given Theodor Tobler his inspiration for the shape of Toblerone. However, according to Theodor's sons, the triangular shape originates from a pyramid shape that dancers at the Folies Bergères created as the finale of a show that Theodo...
yummy.
 
drool
 
10:32 PM
:S
I want!
 
These adult lunchables come with them.
 
Twinkies are an American snack cake made and distributed by Hostess Brands. They are marketed as a "Golden Sponge Cake with Creamy Filling".. History Twinkies were invented in Schiller Park, Illinois in about 1930 by James A. Dewar, a baker for Continental Bakeries (now Hostess). Realizing that several machines used to make cream-filled strawberry shortcake sat idle when strawberries were out of season, Dewar conceived a snack cake filled with banana cream, which he dubbed the Twinkie. During World War II, bananas were rationed and Hostess was forced to switch to vanilla cream. This ...
 

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