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7:00 PM
hmm...
thoughts...
 
sbi
@oraclecertifiedprofessional Don't sweat over it. I'm at work and am not actually looking for SO questions. It's good you brought this up, otherwise I wouldn't have seen it at all. A helpful hint would haven been even better, but... (I already said this.)
 
@thecoshman What thoughts?
 
sbi
Oh, and I'm not a moderator.
 
well... most of the time to facilitate function chaining, I return "this" such as
class test
{
public:
test* foo(){ return this;}
test* bar(){ return this;}
}
test* testInstnace;
testInstance->foo()->bar()->foo()->bar();
 
user69820
@sbi sorry. will try harder.
 
7:10 PM
ok last problem for today
socket returns a char*
now i need to make that into a uint16_t(and therefore utf8) to pass it to the String constructor...
 
Why not just make a string object form the char array?
 
sbi
@Fred you still here?
 
v8::String has not constructor for std::string
 
@sbi Yes, why? Did I overlook something?
 
sbi
@Fred I was gaining on your RoT answer up to four votes behind you. Then you un-accepted me, and I'm 5 votes behind you since. I'm not sure whether this proves my theory, though. I would have expected stronger results.
:)
 
7:13 PM
@IvoWetzel I fear I am dragging up something here, but what's wrong with std::string?
 
@thecoshman Nothing, but it just doesn't work that good in JavaScript land ;)
 
@thecoshman I don't like function chaining, but here is how it works with references:
struct test
{
    test& foo() { return *this; }
    test& bar() { return *this; }
}

test testInstance;

testInstance.foo().bar().foo().bar();
 
sbi
@Fred Huh?
 
@sbi I could accept you again and see what happens ;-)
 
@FredOverflow hmm... intersting way of doing things
 
sbi
7:14 PM
@Johannes Get back working on your thesis this minute! :)
 
@sbi huh what?
 
@Jerry hope you don't mind me trolling you about sequence points there xD
 
sbi
@Fred (I hadn't seen this was a reply to someone else. Sorry.)
 
@sbi ohh I will
 
@sbi lol :)
 
7:15 PM
@IvoWetzel Thought it might actually be JS V8... not looked into it, but where does C++ come into it with V8? or are you making your own JS parser of sorts?
 
@sbi "this minute" isn't fast enough. Get back this instance! ;)
 
OK, it turns out that it was already working, only the logger function was using String::AsciiValue
@thecoshman I'm doing a Game Engine with V8, using SFML and OpenGL
So games will be written in JS :)
 
"get back *this sequence point unit*" xD
 
@IvoWetzel interesting idea, though it does beg the question... WHY :S
 
@thecoshman I already have some JS multiplayer games lying around that use Node.js, but the in browser drawing performance is sooo bad :(
 
7:17 PM
How many more standards do you think C++ can survive (in the sense that a language gets more complicated with each new standard)? Do you think there will be a next standard after C++0x that will bring groundbreaking new language features?
 
@IvoWetzel ok, talk about going to long way around to port a game :P
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb Empty words! The minute is already gone. :^)
 
@thecoshman Well it's write the engine once, then reuse JS code for server and client
 
@sbi its still when it was, what you should say is that the minute is no longer present
@IvoWetzel write once, debug for ever :P
 
@thecoshman Also, I learn C++ this way :P As I did not have any clue about it Saturday morning when I started
 
7:20 PM
@IvoWetzel in that case write many times, debug for ever
 
@thecoshman :D I'm making pretty good progress
 
no offence, but the chances of you not rewriting this many times is very slim
 
@thecoshman Dunno, it's a pretty thin wrapper, sure there's going to be massive refactoring as soon as I reach some state of alpha
 
sbi
Since I learned what's the problem with Morkdown here, it's time for a new version of the newbie hints. Feel free to star them, but I'm going to pin them anyway, so it isn't necessary.
BTW, *some advice for newcomers* here:
You can edit your messages for 2mins. Try the `v` arrow to the left of it. You can edit your last messages using `cursor up`, `escape` cancels this.
Markdown sort of works here, pretty much like in comments. However, it does fail for multi-line messages. Apparently, [that's by design](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/70141).
Many links to some special sites (all SE site, Wikipedia, Twitter etc.) will inline an excerpt of the page linked to, __when they are the only text in a message__.
 
@thecoshman But not knowing C++ doesn't mean that I don't have experience in programming, I have quite some knowledge of C(yeah C++ != C, I know) and tons of experience in JS, Python and others
 
sbi
7:23 PM
Dammit, I forgot that morkdown fails in a multi-line message that explains it fails in a multi-line message...
 
sbi
See ya!
 
@IvoWetzel ... ... ... :\ ... but... C != C++ :D
wait... shit
@JohannesSchaublitb bye :P
 
sbi
@the :)
 
@sbi meta :)))
 
7:25 PM
@thecoshman What if I overload ++ to do nothing? :P
 
sbi
@Fred I keep failing to understand your messages.
 
@IvoWetzel then nothing happens, what do you expect?
 
@sbi smoooth... think I got away with it
@IvoWetzel what... why?
 
@FredOverflow Then C == C++?
 
7:26 PM
(I hope someone gets that...)
 
sbi
Next try (sorry for spamming you guys):
*Some advice for newcomers* here:
You can edit your messages for 2mins. Try the `v` arrow to the left of it. You can edit your last messages using `cursor up`, `escape` cancels this.
Markdown sort of works here, pretty much like in comments. However, by design, it fails for multi-line messages.
Many links to some special sites (all SE site, Wikipedia, Twitter etc.) will inline an excerpt of the page linked to, *when they are the only text in a message*.
Reply to others using the familiar @syntax. Reply to specific messages by clicking on the little down-right arrow appearing at its very rig
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@IvoWetzel C == C++ is undefined behavior, see here: stackoverflow.com/questions/4176328
 
sbi
@thecoshman I saw it!
 
@FredOverflow ah, damn you got me... forgot about that
 
sbi
@FredOverflow What's meta?
 
7:28 PM
@sbi Well, you wrote "Dammit, I forgot that morkdown fails in a multi-line message that explains it fails in a multi-line message..." If that isn't meta, I don't know what is
C == C++ is actually UB, right guys?
 
@FredOverflow Still when I overload ++ to do nothing then it suddenly gets defined, because... well it does nothing.
 
@IvoWetzel Well, what type is C?
 
sbi
@Fred Ah. Sorry, I seem to be exceptionally dense today...
 
@FredOverflow let's say it's an int
 
@IvoWetzel You can't redefine ++ for int, sorry.
 
7:30 PM
#define ++ ;;;;;;;
 
@CiscoIPPhone ++ is not a legal macro name, is it?
 
oh really? why not
 
src/util.cc:32:9: error: macro names must be identifiers
 
@CiscoIPPhone Because you can only uses letters, digits and underscores
 
7:31 PM
I never knew they had to have the same naming rules as c++ identifiers
#define C++ C
:P
 
@CiscoIPPhone That defines C to be ++ C
 
also warning: missing whitespace after the macro name
 
@IvoWetzel Only sissies listen to warnings ;-)
3
 
@FredOverflow Well in fact I turn those stupid "unused" argument warnings off
 
You don't need to. Simply don't give unused arguments names. For example: void foo(int x, int y, int, double, float) if you don't use the last three arguments.
 
7:35 PM
Well, V8 always passes const Arguments args to functions wrapped to JS
 
I don't know JS
 
even if they don't need them, and removing args makes V8 a sad panda
 
I don't know V8 either :)
 
JavaScript has variable arguments for every function
 
ed: Maybe you shoulda had one?
@Fred
 
7:38 PM
@JohnDibling What should I have had?
 
a v8
 
@JohnDibling Does it make the car run JavaScript? :P
 
no, but a Mr Fusion would
 
@JohnDibling I don't have a driver's license, so I don't particularly care about cars.
 
If youre not getting what I'm saying, just trust me on this: its pretty funny. :
 
7:42 PM
@JohnDibling This is funny: "My other car is a cdr."
LOL
 
Winner.
 
@JohnDibling Learn LISP and you'll get it ;)
 
Are there still people who don't know lisp in this day and age?
I had no idea there was still such poverty in the world.
 
oh cool, xkcd is also inlined :)
 
7:48 PM
what mean c is portable
 
I used lisp to do some of the project euler questions. and I wrote a lisp tetris. and I wrote a function reverser for mathematical macros. I like haskell more even though lisp is more, flexible.
 
1
A: How to generate compile time errors?

AmnonTo generate a compile time warning based on a runtime check, simply create a file called "warning.c" that contains an unused variable declaration. You can then generate warnings like that: void f(int *p = nullptr) { if (!p) { system("gcc -Wall warning.c"); } }

LOL
@CiscoIPPhone +1 Haskell FTW
@maysam It means there's a C compiler for virtually every platform
 
hi
what book i read after network+
 
What is "network+"?
 
@FredOverflow how long till all of XKCD gets posted in here I wonder
30 secs ago, by thecoshman
@FredOverflow how long till all of XKCD gets posted in here I wonder
 
7:54 PM
Forever
 
13 secs ago, by thecoshman
30 secs ago, by thecoshman
@FredOverflow how long till all of XKCD gets posted in here I wonder
hmm...
 
network+ is network certificate
 
wonder how far this could go?
 
@maysam Is "network+" an established term? Never heard of it.
 
1 min ago, by thecoshman
13 secs ago, by thecoshman
30 secs ago, by thecoshman
@FredOverflow how long till all of XKCD gets posted in here I wonder
he he he
ok, i'll stop now
 
sbi
8:12 PM
16 mins ago, by thecoshman
1 min ago, by thecoshman
13 secs ago, by thecoshman
30 secs ago, by thecoshman
@FredOverflow how long till all of XKCD gets posted in here I wonder
BTW, have you guys seen the room's description text?
 
I have now
very strange :/
 
Neil Buttorworth copy-cat?
 
sbi
@thecoshman You might have missed it.
22 hours ago, by sbi
1 hour ago, by Roger Pate
well, account deletion apparently takes a few days
(Click on the time to jump to the transcript.)
 
8:30 PM
drama a go-go around here
 
user69820
if all the good people go, won't we end up with people like me giving crappy answers to people like me?
 
user69820
it will just be me and tina
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sbi
@oracle Neil and Roger were two important contributers to the C++ tag. But it's not like we done have any left.
 
Hey, I'm on that list...
 
user69820
@sbi i realise that; i'm just hoping that this isn't the start of a snowball
 
8:47 PM
@oraclecertifiedprofessional ooooh burn :P
 
sbi
@JohnDibling I had thought you were. Can't find you, though.
 
user69820
i doff my straw boater to you all. gawd bless ya
 
sbi
9:03 PM
@oracle see you
 
user69820
@sbi i'm not going anywhere
 
user69820
I'm just proud of the lot of you
 
user69820
wipes tear from eye
 
user69820
sniff
 
@sbi: I'm dead last
 
sbi
9:13 PM
@John I think SO is being nice to you then. :) From my POV, sharptooth is last on the all-time list with 1905.
 
@JohnDibling Everybody who watches that list (and sucks) is last on the list
 
@Fred: No debate from me :)
 
@JohnDibling Watch it with a different browser (or logout) and you'll disappear off the list
 
yeah i saw that
 
9:53 PM
@sbi oh nice i'm finish with the table of contents now xD
 
sbi
@Johannes Good boy! You may now play for a while! :)
 
Hi Johannes,
To answer your question from earlier, no I don't mind the trolling about sequence points at all...
 
sbi
OK, I'm gonna go home now. I might not be online again tonight. See you!
 
9:56 PM
have fun & gl
 
peace out
 
i want to do diagrams for my sequence point answer and wonder whether i should do it with ASCII :)
 
Yes, you should
 
@JohannesSchaublitb isn't the table of contents automatically generated from the headers?
 
@JohannesSchaublitb I usually use something like Visio, and upload the diagram as a picture instead. I, for one, hate ASCII diagrams as a rule. To have any hope to be readable at all, you have to use a monospaced font, so it's ugly at best -- and even with a monospaced font, it can still look a fair amount different than intended (differing proportions of height to width, for example).
 
10:16 PM
@Fred yeah i've created the headers (no contents yet xD)
@FredOverflow ^^ dammit i should use the tab keys more often
ohh
 
10:42 PM
Oh. the number of closing votes on my RoT question has declined from 4 to 3, happy days :)
 
@FredOverflow what's a RoT q?
 
15
Q: What is The Rule of Three?

FredOverflowWhat does copying an object mean? What are the copy constructor and the copy assignment operator? When do I need to declare them myself? How can I prevent my objects from being copied?

RoT = Rule Of Three
 
OK. so, is that your question?
 
in fact that's his question xD
 
@AlfPSteinbach What? I don't have a question, I'm just glad that the closing votes declined from 4 to 3, that's all.
 
10:52 PM
hello
 
or did i just misunderstand something?
 
Wouldn't it be easier if questions asked for the purpose of providing a FAQ answer were obviously so, like in question title? Then people would perhaps not vote to close on gut reaction to just reading the question
 
@AlfPSteinbach I don't like "FAQ" in titles. It has a c++-faq tag, that's all that should be needed.
And if it really got closed, we can always vote to reopen
 
yeah, but pragmatically, could help
 
And even if it's closed, the information isn't lost, right?
So ultimately, I don't even really care.
Unless I want to correct an error. I think editing doesn't work in closes questions.
 
10:56 PM
Now, why did both Neil and Roger delete their SO accounts?
 
hmm
roger is really not here anymore?
they could just have gone away leaving their account disabled
 
Is here yet, takes a few days for account to disappear
I don't even understand that about disabling account. what's the issue?
 
you can ban your account. but then its rep is at 1 :)
dunno. maybe some people realize they waste too much time on SO
it's kinda more addicting than usenet i think =)
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Yeah, I wish they had never introduced the chats... :)
 
lol
i try to invent a language for describing the flow of execution. but it just looks awful :/
let's see... is

(E(i++, { S(inc, i) }) -> E(i++ + j++) <- E(j++, { S(inc, j) })) -> %

intuitively understandable?
i guess i need to invent some tree diagram instead of such flat descriptions
 
11:13 PM
It's not intuitively understandable by me.
 
how about a flowchart? <g>
 
Nothing to do with C++ or SO, but have any you experienced a behavior in Windows where file creation sort of hangs for a long time (like, 30 sec) and then succeed?
WHen this happens I have to reboot.
And it's really annoying because it's happening now, and I'm decrypting a DVD because Windows says there's a problem with the copyright info. ARgh!
It's almost like rootkit because Process Explorer reports nothing going on when system slows down
 
sometimes it happens for me with samba :)
 
@AlfPSteinbach Aren't you the guy who deactivated windows update because it takes 8 hours to complete? You really need to get a faster computer ;)
 
11:19 PM
so, could be something with other drives? my test is echo asd>asd, on drive c
 
maybe antivirus software checking in the background or something?
 
@FredOverflow Yes, but I'm very poor
 
@AlfPSteinbach Are you in the C++ standards committee?
 
@FredOverflow Nope, couldn't afford that :-)
 
sbi
Have you guys seen this:
5
A: Should c++-faq tagged threads be made CW?

WillSigh, and I've been avoiding controversy for sooo long (well, long for me). The simple fact is that I was going through the flagged post queue and saw that one or more people had flagged the question commenting that it should be made a community wiki. I say, "one or more" because I don't troll ...

 
11:21 PM
@AlfPSteinbach Then I confused you with someone else
 
sbi
I have put a juicy comment underneath.
 
@FredOverflow Probably not, you just thought I was on the committee. I'm not.
 
@AlfPSteinbach Hoch much is the membership fee, a thousand dollars?
 
sbi
@Fred What a Freudian slip!
(To the others "hoch" is German for "high".)
 
11:26 PM
@FredOverflow I don't know but that wasn't issue, because there was some Oslo User Group of Something Something that would have covered fee. Assuming that they'd accept me, of course.
 
@sbi lol didnt notice that until just now
 
uh, well, have to reboot. bye! :-)
 
sbi
Alf is using Windows. :)
 
@AlfPSteinbach back yet?
 
night all
 
sbi
11:41 PM
night Johnny boy!
 
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