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12:00 AM
Fuck, it's 2 already
 
Bah.
 
so that you can gradually customize it
 
Reflection is hard.
But it's rewarding work. <3
 
@AndyProwl oh, you're in the same timezone! :)
 
I'm getting a better and better understanding of compile-time reflection v. run-time reflection.
 
12:00 AM
@ThePhD no, it's useless
 
@BartekBanachewicz Indeed :D
 
oh wait what the hell
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz nah
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's wonderful <33
 
And in a few hours I should be at work
 
12:01 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Which doesn't mean much since CET is ginormous.
 
@Xeo it's useless if you simply can use another languge that's better suited
 
So I'll probably leave Boost.Log for tomorrow
 
@ThePhD it's wonderful and useless
lol
Apple logo changed
i mean the service mode one
it's no longer a silver gradient
it's the flat 7-one
woooo
 
oh, oops, I think I accidentally compiled the release boost::program_options
 
it looks really decent
 
12:03 AM
Hm.
I think this is a job for std::shared_ptr.
 
> What are those "pains" header files cause?
There's something wrong in that phrase
 
@BartekBanachewicz Should be Swedish campground symbol
 
What are ... cause?
 
@Jeffrey those "pains"
 
Um.
 
12:05 AM
shared_ptr is constructible from a raw pointer, right?
 
yep
 
It'll assume the default deleter and just create a shared pointer on the spot, si?
 
probably not implicitly, though.
 
Oh.
Damn.
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's "cause" that doesn't fit well. I mean what is cause linked to?
 
12:05 AM
1 min ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@Jeffrey those "pains"
 
@Jeffrey It's the verb "to cause"
 
=[[[[[[[[[[[[
 
"X causes Y" means that X is the cause of Y.
 
Why is the single-pointer-argument constructor explicit q___q who thought that was a good idea y y y y y
 
Oh right, now I get it. I went to English StackExchange, wrote a question draft and then I solved my confusion.
 
12:08 AM
@ThePhD Who thought that was a bad idea?
 
@ThePhD Single-argument ctors should always be explicit.
 
Well, it is a good idea but now I have to shared_ptr everything. ._.
 
@ThePhD I altered Wide so that the default MinGW path is the working directory, but you can override the path on the command line. Now we are both happy, right?
 
@ThePhD What
 
@DeadMG So you accepted my purrrequest? <3
 
12:08 AM
Foo* p; // p has type shared_ptr<T>
 
er, there are a few things I'd like to ask you about it tomorrow
 
Seemed relevant, somehow.
 
Like 80% of the time that I have a question, I go to SO, write down the question and while I write the text, I solve it.
 
especially those property sheets.
 
@CatPlusPlus I can't just do takes_a_shared_ptr( new T() ); <--- I would have liked that to happen.
 
12:09 AM
Ugh.
Dude, make_shared.
 
make_shared.
Always.
 
make_shared.
 
:c
But
But but but but
 
Xeo
make_shared, man
 
@ThePhD That style is disaster waiting to happen.
 
12:10 AM
make_shared, bro.
 
if shared_ptr was implicitly constructible from a T*, it would be a disaster.
 
Not only make_shared is more efficient, it is also safe.
 
Xeo
@GManNickG You're his UB-Bro?
I thought better of you!
 
I don't know what I've done! :<
 
12:10 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes wait, no. Shouldn't it be either "What is those "pains" header files cause?" or "What do those "pains" header files cause?"?
 
Oh.
GManNickG, I haven't shown you...
 
All right, I will hit the bed now. Thank you guys for helping
 
... cowboy_cast, have I?~~
@AndyProwl Wait! Would you like to learn about cowboy_cast? <3
 
Xeo
no
 
@ThePhD Should I want to?
 
12:11 AM
@Jeffrey Would "(What are those ("pains" that (header files cause)))?" help?
 
Xeo
And I speak for everyone here and elsewhere
 
@AndyProwl Yes. <3
 
@Xeo I think I'll take your word
 
Xeo
A single line from your cowboy_cast and I'll bin your ass
 
12:12 AM
=[
 
@AndyProwl No.
 
But... but but but.... but union. ;~;
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yup, it helps. Got it.
 
union? cowboy_cast? Ok ok, no more questions
I'm off :P
 
Nooo!
 
12:13 AM
fun fact: in Wide cowboy_cast would probably be legal.
 
Don't goooo!
 
Xeo
see ya
 
@DeadMG ITT Wide sucks.
 
see ya, good night
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not really.
 
Xeo
12:13 AM
@DeadMG Wait, so you don't have strict aliasing?
 
@Xeo I do, I just have weasel wording for unions. The members aren't treated as real lvalues- kinda like properties. So if you have an int member of a union, you can't take an int* to it.
 
Xeo
@ThePhDs ass moved to bin
 
@AndyProwl run for your life
 
:10468788 That's offensive
 
@Xeo thanks
 
12:14 AM
q_q
 
What the...
 
AHA!
HE SAW IT!
 
What is that?
 
@AndyProwl don't look
 
The damage is done. <3
 
12:14 AM
move along
@ThePhD just get the fuck out
 
Can you potentially make a dynamically typed language that gets compiled to native code?
 
hides messages
seriously
I want a userscript that will hide all these message breaks
 
That's like so much UB isn't it?
 
@AndyProwl that's like ThePhd writing terrible code as usual. his reflection will be similar.
useless piece of crap written for amusement.
 
I'd call that ub_cast<>
 
12:15 AM
@AndyProwl Static cast?
 
Oh, wasn't there a suggestion for std::undefined_behaviour in the Asylum once?
 
@Mikhail No, that's a normal cast
 
The thing in the picture
 
in other news, ios 7 is slow as fuck
 
Xeo
12:16 AM
@AndyProwl What picture? :P
2 mins ago, by Xeo
@ThePhDs ass moved to bin
3
 
@Xeo lol
 
@BartekBanachewicz Also the screen is small
 
@Mikhail what
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't like Apple phones because the screen is too small. I would like you and everybody to know this.
 
OK, now that I've seen the cowboy_cast<> I think I am allowed to go
 
12:17 AM
Yep. <3
 
G'nite!
 
Niiight. :D
 
Ha, tweeted.
 
@Mikhail I am talking about my iPad. I don't have an iPhone
@R.MartinhoFernandes what. that was a joke, right?
 
3 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Oh, wasn't there a suggestion for std::undefined_behaviour in the Asylum once?
@BartekBanachewicz Nope.
 
12:19 AM
TOTAL RETARDATION
I should go to bed.
 
The only tweet in that account that wasn't a quote was "*crickets*" (back when it was quiet for days)
 
well i agree it's a quote
but it still could be a joke
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ahahaha what
 
anyway, new notifications are amazing
 
12:20 AM
it wasn't a bad idea, MSVC has stuff like __assume and there are a few other similar features floating around
 
much better than ios 5/6
 
I saw a paper on one at Bristol.
 
@DeadMG That's different from unconditionally doing it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Er, I think the idea is if (condition) std::undefined_behaviour();
 
argasfadf
"notification Centre"
> centre
 
12:21 AM
at least, that was my understanding of it.
@BartekBanachewicz Centre is British and Center is American, I think, or the other way around.
 
@DeadMG But that's only used in the implementation of assume.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The Standard does not provide assume.
 
Xeo
@DeadMG What a great Britain you are!
 
Also there's a text overflowing a box
just like bad CSS
I know it's beta, but fuck
how could noone notice?
it's like in many places :/
 
@DeadMG Sure, but one wants assume, not ub.
 
12:24 AM
well, I could argue that ub is the primitive assume is built on.
for example, you might decide to have try { f() } catch(...) { ub(); }
 
What would that do?
 
well, if f throws, then ub.
or you might have something like while (cond) { ...; } ub();- as in, this function always returns from within the loop.
 
But that's no advantage. The only way to sell that thing is in terms of what the compiler can assume to optimise.
 
also new feature in iOS
 
of course it is
 
12:25 AM
when you tilt the device
icons on home screen move
 
all I'm saying is
 
very slightly, but noticeably
 
there are times and places where "conditional" does not mean "if (cond)"
 
oh actually it's the background that moves
 
FWIW, assume(false) can play that role.
 
12:27 AM
@ThePhD: How did you get that super .7z compression with WinRAR?
 
@DeadMG compress as .7z? :O
 
Xeo
Wasn't it the other way around?
 
Xeo
Super .rar compression with 7Zip?
 
12:27 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I agree. But I think that it would be better to provide ub as well. I can see your point that assume is the most useful directly, and it's not too difficult to convert.
didn't he say he did it through the WinRAR GUI?
 
Xeo
Well, whatever
sleep
 
ah, never mind, I'll just use 7zip directly.
I compiled my Wide distribution and it came to 100MB.
 
I don't know how MinGW is so fucking big.
it's 330MB on my hard drive
but ThePhD's uploaded build is 25MB.
 
12:30 AM
nope.
we both got it from an identical source.
the rar'd version I downloaded straight from rubenvb was only 37MB compressed.
 
Mine's 292 MB with Boost and loads of other stuff.
 
DeadMG: Are you downloading the sources too?
 
I got 295MB straight out the RAR
no.
 
man, WinDirStat is fucking awesome.
that shit should come with Windows by default.
 
12:33 AM
How about we just remove the windows problem?
 
lol
 
Any of you tried Chocolatey yet?
 
wtf is that
 
Sounds delicious.
 
Package manager for Windows based on NuGet.
 
12:33 AM
Finally safari has unified address bar
 
I need to reinstall Windows and I think I'll try it out.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Does it automatically update?
 
alright, that's better.
7z's Ultra is 40MB.
 
12:36 AM
considering that MinGW itself came to 38MB when I downloaded it myself.
 
Package list seems nice.
(Got WinDirStat in it!)
 
It appears to have everything I use, actually.
Ok, maybe not DF.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hey that's pretty neato.
 
Yeah, looks really cool.
Can I burn a Windows ISO onto an USB stick?
 
12:42 AM
I done it before, with some special Microsoft software.
 
There's an option somewhere. I did it with Win7.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes. You have to have the USB stick formatted in some way and it has to be relatively recent (a few years, I think) and your motherboard has to support it (again I think even five-six years ago all new mobos did)
IOW if your machine is reasonably recent, just format the stick, extract the ISO on to the stick and boot from it with your motherboard and it should work
 
@Rapptz Well, it's the Windows ecosystem. It's going to be messy.
 
12:46 AM
Is it on chocolatey?
:P
 
er, no.
^^
 
What is Wide?
 
@Nican Language I have been building.
 
Can I perform a distributed map-reduce function to query the database with it?
 
robot, soon (maybe this week or next weekend) I'll be looking to put some build scripts together
feel like giving me a hand?
 
12:48 AM
Ok.
 
I fixed the MinGW path so that it's in the working directory by default, and shipped that way in the distro, but you can specify some other path if you want.
 
I'll try it tomorrow. I should have gone to sleep an hour ago, and if I pick that up now I don't know how long I'll play with it.
 
but for the Wide projects themselves, they're still full of hardcoded paths to LLVM and Boost.
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's ok, I'm heading to bed now myself. Tata
 
Good night guys.
 
And the Haskell uninstaller has been stalled for the past 15 min for me: dl.dropbox.com/u/5927713/ShareX/2013-07/…
 
1:01 AM
I found this in someone's code: union Data { char* start; char* end }; and I'm finding it hard to understand why.
 
@Magtheridon96 Do you mean you don't know what a union is for or it seems there's no reason to have one in the code?
 
I know what a union is. I don't understand why he's using it in this case.
 
@Magtheridon96 looks like an xor pointer
Where is Cat?
 
going through his nightly routines
 
1:25 AM
well. (data.end - data.start + 1)
I think I'm going to have to remove this union :v
 
what editor is that?
 
@Chemistpp Looks like VS to me.
 
@chris Looks like I need to learn how to change colors. I'm tired of my white and black visual studio
 
@Chemistpp The dark theme is 100x better, and I rather like what Visual Assist X does to it.
 
1:39 AM
I turned off the color overrides for VSX, I don't like them
 
@chris Just switched my themes. You're right, these are some soothing pixels for my eyes.
 
Maybe im just not used to them though
 
I loved VA X so much and then I started trying Resharper with C#. One project with that and I was looking at VA X blankly.
C++, why do you have to be so brutal to make good tools for?
 
The most defining part of my scheme is comic sans, so I am pretty sure everybody hates it :D
 
Holy shit. You code in Comic Sans?
 
1:45 AM
Yup. Well, C++ anyway.
 
Hmm, I might try that now.
 
Well, actually, everything, come to think of it.
Main disadvantage I see.
Is the lack of monospace.
But I find it (A), easier to read, and (B)... well, it just feels more friendly.
 
Why don't you use consolas?
 
I could get used to Comic Sans coding LOL
 
or Ubuntu.
 
1:46 AM
Can you get Ubuntu sans serif on windows?
 
Is consolas the VS default? (2012 if it is specific to version)
 
I'd like to compare it with consolas
 
@Pawnguy7 I don't know.
 
@Pawnguy7 It is for the 2013 preview at least.
 
It probably is.
Hopefully not Courier New, that font sucks.
 
1:48 AM
Current.
 
@Borgleader I meant Ubuntu Monospace
 
I should change every single font on the system to Comic Sans.
 
Default colors I think.
 
@Pawnguy7 It's awful.
 
Code Blocks didn't have things like seperate enum/class name coloring.
I was to lazy to do it again.
The code, the font, or both? :D
 
1:49 AM
@Rapptz I know, the triple star stands out so much.
 
@Pawnguy7 Both.
 
Haha. Thats what they said about the old version too.
 
Absolutely terrible.
 
What is Application_Font anyway?
 
Jan 27 at 5:22, by Rapptz
Consolas and Courier, quick comparison I made.
 
1:51 AM
Anyway.
I liked the white on black one.
I actually felt excited about what I was working on.
 
I use QtCreator
and it isn't too personalised I guess
I changed the colours a metric fuck ton
I don't like Dark Themes.
 
What are your complaints against comic sans for programming?
 
It looks out of place, it isn't monospace and quite frankly it looks bad.
 
Out of place? If how it has been used suggest anything, that that is... is it ever out of place? :D
Your second point is valid, though, and the third is preference.
 
My colour scheme isn't too great
too lazy to change it
 
1:56 AM
Someday I will write such templated code, hopefully :D
Anyway, looks to half the same coloring as mine at a glance.
 
@Rapptz I can't stand visible spaces.
 
@chris the dots?
 
@Pawnguy7 Yes.
 
Yeah I didn't either but I turned it on because sometimes you'd get extraneous spaces from pressing delete
 
Ah. They bugged me too :D only other place I have seen them is the Python interpreter.
 
1:57 AM
and I want those gone
 
I mean, maybe when using Whitespace.
 
I recently learned I somehow got a mix of tabs and spaces... which is bad :D
 
But highlighting is better for that anyway.
@Pawnguy7 Easy enough to automate a fix for.
 
guys my juices are leaking
 
@chris I would imagine so.
 
1:59 AM
Welp, back to sulking about doxygen.
 

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