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5:06 PM
hey
@hamza
 
hello there
 
are you php developer?
 
@TuralTeyyubogluAliyev kind of ...
 
@HamZa using windows or linux?
 
@TuralTeyyubogluAliyev windows (that says it all lol)
 
5:09 PM
need your help
 
need to eat. Also note that I consider myself a noob
I'll be back later ...
 
ok then :)
@Ocramius hey
are you php dev? how many years experience?
 
heym sorry, no time atm, just followed the link by mistake :)
 
IF YOU'RE WINDOWS USER: Here is the slide sdrv.ms/19gsQQk . If you'll see screencast.com/t/VNurydPG click on notes button to open the text that I will talk. I don't know how it will look like on linux machines
@MadaraUchiha have you opened link?
 
Nope, I'm a linux user btw
 
5:19 PM
@MadaraUchiha what you see on this link?
 
Let's see
 
I see slides, apparently.
I'll check it out in a few when I have some spare time.
 
@MadaraUchiha omg, man i'm in hurry please. screencast.com/t/VNurydPG click on notes button to open the text that I will talk
 
@TuralTeyyubogluAliyev Models do not represent your data structures.
 
5:24 PM
@MadaraUchiha and what to do
 
Model is the "space" for your business logic.
 
me to replace sentence with this one?
do you read notes too?
 
@TuralTeyyubogluAliyev No, the link you gave is broken
"Models handle your business logic"
And pray no one asks you what it means :)
 
@igorw hey mate
@igorw Here is the slide sdrv.ms/19gsQQk . If you'll see screencast.com/t/VNurydPG click on notes button to open the text that I will talk.
@MadaraUchiha saw screenshot?
 
Yes, I'm reading it.
I can see that you're missing some "a"s here and there
Like "Why should PHP developers use a framework"
 
5:29 PM
@MadaraUchiha are you native speaker?
 
@TuralTeyyubogluAliyev No, I am from Israel
 
@MadaraUchiha checked native speaker, didn't find mistake. that's why asked
 
@TuralTeyyubogluAliyev I'm still pretty sure you need an "a" there. And I have a native speaker sitting next to me too :)
 
@MadaraUchiha ok then say me where else you see mistake
 
@TuralTeyyubogluAliyev not critical enough imo
 
5:34 PM
@igorw Have you read notes too? screencast.com/t/VNurydPG
ALL NEW COMERS TO THE ROOM: Here is the slide sdrv.ms/19gsQQk . If you'll see screencast.com/t/VNurydPG click on notes button to open the text that I will talk.
 
@TuralTeyyubogluAliyev See that on slide 4 you get it right (with the "a")
 
@MadaraUchiha ah ok. what about flow of the slides? do I need any rearrangement or something like that? what else mistakes you see?
 
@TuralTeyyubogluAliyev Slide 4 should probably go before slide 3
"You ask the question first, then you answer it)
 
@MadaraUchiha ok. good point. thx man. what else?
 
@TuralTeyyubogluAliyev I'd recommend talking about disadvantages too.
 
5:39 PM
@igorw hmm
 
@TuralTeyyubogluAliyev "What is a framework?"
Where's the answer to that question?
 
@MadaraUchiha all following slides are like a big answer t this question
 
@TuralTeyyubogluAliyev You should put a slide that tells me that "A framework is...." right after that, and then expand.
 
@MadaraUchiha ah ok
 
"A framework is a set of tools and libraries designed to make our lives easier blah blah blah"
"It's Fun!" Is an answer to "Why should you use a framework" not "What is a framework"
 
5:42 PM
@MadaraUchiha Then flow must be like that: Php intro -> jobs -> what is fw? -> new slide as you explained -> why we should use -> it's fun -> benefits -> ...
?
 
@TuralTeyyubogluAliyev Looks good
 
@MadaraUchiha me to rearrange like that?
 
ok then let me rearrange and reupload. 5 min pls
please don't leave room.
 
5:59 PM
@MadaraUchiha reopen link please
@MadaraUchiha there?
 
Yeah, my connection crashed.
@TuralTeyyubogluAliyev A Model does not represent your data-structures.
 
@MadaraUchiha ok wait
 
If you let teresko see this presentation he'll flip on you.
 
@MadaraUchiha hahaha
@MadaraUchiha don't call him
but basically models are for interfacing with databases
I don't think that this sentence is wrong "Models represent your data structures, usually by interfacing with the database.
"
 
6:15 PM
@TuralTeyyubogluAliyev That's where you're wrong.
Actually, your first word is wrong
"Models"
There are no such things as "Models"
There is only one Model in your application.
 
@MadaraUchiha models is plural form of model
 
(That's real MVC, and not CI's MVC)
@TuralTeyyubogluAliyev An application with more than one Model does not implement MVC.
In MVC, there is no such thing as a plural "Models"
 
why? in php frameworks like Yii we use 1 model for 1 table
 
@TuralTeyyubogluAliyev Yii does not implement MVC.
Neither does CodeIgniter, before you dare mentioning it.
 
6:18 PM
@TuralTeyyubogluAliyev Yii does not implement MVC.
I'll repeat it as many times as I need to.
 
@MadaraUchiha any proof?
 
They might say that they implement MVC, but the fact that they use A model per database is proof enough.
 
@MadaraUchiha dunno what to say
 
The point in MVC is to separate the application logic (controllers) and business logic (model).
"Business logic" means the heavy logic of the application (basically, what the application actually does)
This is a good guide, read it.
 
Symphony doesn't do MVC :)
 
6:24 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum No, but their guide is a great intro
Also, they are about as close as anyone gets.
It and ZF2
 
Also, naming is stupid :)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum hey mate
@BenjaminGruenbaum Here is the slide sdrv.ms/19gsQQk . If you'll see screencast.com/t/VNurydPG click on notes button to open the text that I will talk.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum we're discussing my presentation for your info :)
 
I wouldn't use "The MVC pattern" at all if I were you, your views don't notify the model of changes in any of those frameworks, it's not really MVC. What about just saying 'separation of concerns'?
 
6:28 PM
@MadaraUchiha so thats All? no more mistakes or any suggestions?
 
@TuralTeyyubogluAliyev You should mention the downsides to frameworks as well
 
@MadaraUchiha sorry what?
 
@TuralTeyyubogluAliyev Frameworks are not all shiny and awesomeness, they have downsides as well.
 
You should probably mention those as well.
Frameworks are, bottom line, tools. Sometimes the right tool, sometimes not.
 
6:33 PM
@MadaraUchiha okay I will, what else?
@MadaraUchiha is everyting else ok?
 
@TuralTeyyubogluAliyev Looks fine to me.
Wait around to see if anyone else has other stuff.
 
@MadaraUchiha Thx for wasting time friend
@MadaraUchiha I'm very thankful
 
No problem :)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum have you taken a look at the slide?
 
 
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8:34 PM
@TuralTeyyubogluAliyev Yes.
 

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