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3:00 PM
oh god no sorry but I'm hiding his posts
 
JBL
@rightfold That's called "Eating".
 
@BartekBanachewicz: If I wanted to search for everything on google I would not be talking here at all. But I want to have a conversation.
 
my brain is just kicking off the defensive reactions
 
user142019
@JBL I read that as "Erlang".
 
@wilx that doesn't really apply here because deleter is not empty at all, it's the function pointer.
 
3:01 PM
Sigh. Make it.
 
Then use a functor instead?
Empty one!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what now?
 
@wilx why runtime?
 
@wilx no, we used static template "polymorphism"
 
Ok, I'll write it.
 
3:02 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes well, before you write it, do you think it really makes sense? I mean is it better than our approach?
 
struct glShaderDeleter { operator() ( Gluint party ){  glDeleteStyle( party ); } // Empty class lambda. EBCO applies? };
 
@ThePhD Lambdas are not default constructible.
 
Oh, right.
Goddamn lambdas.
 
Is Static linkage the simplest way to ship a product that uses third party libraries (such as SDL) to a generic client (that most probably does not have that library installed) ?
 
user142019
Yes.
 
3:04 PM
struct Deleter { void operator() (Gluint x) const { glDeleteStyle (x); } };
Done?
 
JBL
Yum yum binary size.
 
Goddamnit
 
Empty class
 
@wilx use what he said
 
@wilx you still need an instance.
gosh.
 
3:04 PM
lol
 
@BartekBanachewicz EBCO
 
user142019
@wilx Bahh I always forget to make that const.
 
Instance? Where do you need an instance?
 
@rightfold Well, that was quick
 
Oh, right, on the class that takes a deleter
 
user142019
3:05 PM
You asked a yes/no question. Why would it take long to type "yes" or "no"?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh god how is that really different from what we did?
 
so you go from glid<VAO> to glid<vaoDleter, vaoCreater>
 
no, they apparently want to inherit from these
 
@BartekBanachewicz: I think that Robot's mentioning of EBCO was that unique_ptr<> is able to optimize its storage when the deleter is an empty class.
 
@BartekBanachewicz There is a theoretical instance only: it doesn't exist in memory because EBCO, and it doesn't get a this passed anywhere because inlining.
 
3:06 PM
@thecoshman glid<vaoDeleter>( vaoCreator()() );
 
firefox os is out, lolz
 
@wilx Exactly.
 
@rightfold Well usually answers to question like that one contains a "yes, but..." or "no, but..." clause. Not this time though :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes how is it better than what we did?
@ThePhD that sucks
 
@ThePhD runtime
 
Xeo
3:06 PM
@thecoshman What.
 
Hey, just using your example. D:
 
@thecoshman not really
 
user142019
OH YES I SAVED A BYTE MY PROGRAM IS GOING TO BE SO MUCH MORE PERFORMANT
 
@thecoshman NO. STOP TALKING START READING.
unique_ptr<T> is unique_ptr<T, default_delete<T>>.
 
that's not-default-constructible
 
3:06 PM
oh wait, didn't see the second () :P
 
JBL
@rightfold Are you coming from C ?
 
Do you think unique_ptr<T> has overhead over a single pointer?
It doesn't.
 
user142019
@JBL Are you coming from the planet of no sarcasm?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Dunno.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I wonder if MSVC has overhead for a single pointer...
 
3:07 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah well that's the point.
 
android OS is open source right? does anyone know where can I download the source code? ... nvm I found it
 
(I don't think it is; I am just trying to explain how the alternative works)
 
Xeo
@ThePhD No
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes okay.
 
Xeo
They get EBO right for the left-most base
 
JBL
3:07 PM
@rightfold Haha, of course ! (I got it doh...) Or are you coming from there ?
 
@Xeo Oooh.
 
@thecoshman we proceed with current approach. Full speed ahead.
 
lol, it is funny how the chat scrolls and when a statement is half way through the visible window the text changes at several places at the same time, as you guys start editing the history.
 
JBL
Like writing in allcaps was a mark of being serious...
 
@BartekBanachewicz need to remove that .ptr though :P
 
3:08 PM
A little bit faster and ti will be like Matrix.
 
@thecoshman true
 
IIRC there where other functions though that required it... it could have just been the glcreate* functions though...
 
FWIW, unless you want EBCO for all members, i.e., if there's always going to be at least one member that is non-empty, use tuple, no bases.
I don't know if MSVC does it, but I do remember Herb mentioning this trick, so I'm going to hope it does.
tuple is an EBCO package.
 
I remember fumbling with MSVC's tuple, trying to get it to optomize out empty classes.
 
user142019
Use the most readable and intent-clear-making code.
 
3:09 PM
At a certain point, it just stops trying to optomize them out.
 
@rightfold that's what we have right now
 
It's really annoying.
 
user142019
@BartekBanachewicz Good. Keep it that way.
 
=[
 
@ThePhD you know what's really annoying?
People spelling optimize as optomize.
 
3:10 PM
It was when I was trying to evade some casting rules and stuff, I think.
 
Makes me wanna lobotomize.
 
user142019
@BartekBanachewicz Optimise.
 
OPTOMIZE PRIME. <3
Octopus Prime?
 
hides posts
phew.
@rightfold both are correct, no?
 
user142019
> optimize |ˈɒptɪmʌɪz| (also optimise)
 
user142019
3:11 PM
@BartekBanachewicz ^ jap
 
@BartekBanachewicz USA vs UK spelling
 
@BartekBanachewicz You can use either "s" or "z", but the "o" in the middle is clearly wrong.
 
user142019
But spelling -ize words as -ise is something that disgusts me.
 
@rightfold std::initializer_list
 
3:11 PM
@rightfold lobotomise? :)
 
user142019
std::initialiser_list would be horrible.
 
@JerryCoffin But o is so much fun. :c
 
z is more german
 
Xeo
@rightfold No it wouldn't.
 
user142019
@BartekBanachewicz German "z" is pronounced something like "ts" AFAIK. :v
 
3:13 PM
I'm Polish, ignore me.
 
Tsing?
 
I have so many problems with color/colour, armor/armour.
 
the purpose of a language is to communicate, if people understand what you are saying then that purpose is served ... stop being a pedantic brat
 
@BartekBanachewicz Zee "z" is zee indication zat zee word a Cherman origin has.
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Colour is so much better than mere color!
 
user142019
3:13 PM
@BartekBanachewicz You should polish your linguistic knowledge.
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 optomise the initialiser_list <3
 
@rightfold depends on context.
 
It is higher class for the U!
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 The purpose of the language is to get laid. Communication simply happens to be how people get laid.
 
@wilx Ü is better.
 
3:14 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes: Right.
 
user142019
German ü is u in Dutch. My dad is Polish and he can't pronounce it so he pronounces it as oe (German u). :D
 
@JerryCoffin I think you mean z is zed
 
:P
 
@Borgleader You're mistaken.
 
user142019
3:15 PM
Dutch "ui" is also fun for foreigners. :)
 
s/"ui"//. FTFY.
 
@rightfold: That's why you do not rule the World.
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 ಠ_ಠ
 
@JerryCoffin you mean conference call is like group sex?
 
lol
 
3:16 PM
lol
 
user142019
@wilx We have Python and Vim so it'll only be a matter of time.
 
ergh... precious few minutes till I leave for home
 
@rightfold that's confusing
 
^ I would like to point out Tony showed up when Group Sex was mentioned.
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 More like group foreplay.
 
3:18 PM
@wilx As if it mattered: English has "th"...
 
@JerryCoffin Its funny to realize that the sound of nature is really just thousands of creatures desperately trying to get laid xD
 
user142019
Well, the pronunciation of "u" in Dutch depends on whether another u or a consonant followed by a vowel follows.
 
"th" is so bad that there are three different ways to pronounce it wrong that are common enough to have names of their own.
 
@Borgleader Yeah -- did you know the "beautiful" tweeting of birds is really just them screaming out to get fucked?
 
@Borgleader Some sounds of nature. Waves at a seashore...not so much.
 
3:18 PM
I haven't been able to look at tweeting birds the same since then. =/
"... You've been tweeting at that robin for TWO HOURS CUT IT OUT SHE'S NOT INTERESTED."
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@JerryCoffin Wait a minute ... but we are all chatting ... this is getting too kinky. I am off for a little while - you people can do whatever :x
 
enough, I am going home
time to study a bit
 
@BartekBanachewicz fap fap fap
 
lol
Creepy!
 
user142019
@thecoshman Your brain is in your dick?
 
3:21 PM
I hope there are no kids we could harm. :)
 
user142019
> Your brain is still in your dick, which you don't have anymore.
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...by our dirty dirty speech.
 
user142019
I can't remember from which video this was, but it certainly was hilarious.
 
@rightfold sure, why not
 
user142019
Well, better than the other way around I guess.
 
3:23 PM
@rightfold that would be a mindfuck :P
 
user142019
LOL
 
hello friends, a colleague sent me this code he does not understand and I thought you might yes
 
user142019
@rightfold Ah, I remember now. It was from a Bay Watch voice over about a blonde transsexual.
 
(void)observeValueForKeyPath:(NSString *)keyPath ofObject:(id)object
    change:(NSDictionary *)change context:(void *)context
 
user142019
@AlexM. That's Objective-C code. This isn't an Objective-C room.
 
3:24 PM
Wrong room.
 
@AlexM. Wrong room, and why not ask said colleague?
 

NSChat

Rules → spiff.io/nschat.rules —  Discussion for iOS and OS X ...
Maybe?
 
really guys?
 
It's a locked room...
 
no banhammorz
no bullets
 
3:25 PM

iPhone / iPad

Apple iOS development chat. This room has a FAQ at ios-develop...
 
damn, I'm disappoint
 
Or this, I guess.
 
user142019
This should be pretty well documented.
 
user142019
Also -1 too much Rarity not enough Vinyl Scratch.
 
3:26 PM
WELP.
 
You mean DJ-P0N3
 
My encoding interface seems to be purrrty good right now.
 
user142019
@ThePhD YELP.
 
I'm gonna go... uh.
 
you guys reminded me of this
 
user142019
3:26 PM
@ShotgunNinja "Vinyl Scratch" is 20% cooler.
 
@rightfold YARP.
 
... I'm not sure what I'm gonna do.
 
user image
5
 
user142019
@ShotgunNinja YARV.
 
@rightfold Agreed.
 
3:26 PM
also rarity is best pony
 
user142019
Nein.
 
but for some reason on this room I can only see my Gravatar
which is a picture of Marmalade Jalapeno
 
That sounds... surprisingly good.
 
user142019
Dingus sounds better. Uhm…
 
user142019
Roti. I love roti.
 
3:28 PM
@rightfold Roti Largo?
 
good evening :-)
 
user142019
Roti is generally a South Asian bread made from stoneground wholemeal flour, traditionally known as atta flour, that originated and is consumed in India, Nepal, Sri Lanka , Pakistan, and Bangladesh. It is also consumed in parts of South Africa and the Southern Caribbean, particularly in Trinidad and Tobago, Guyana and Suriname. Its defining characteristic is that it is unleavened. Indian naan bread, by contrast, is a yeast-leavened bread. Roti is sometimes referred to as "Kolcha" in Indian cuisine, albeit this term is seldom used outside of the South Asia. Roti and its thinner varia...
 
user142019
Roti with butter beans, potatoes, sauce and chicken.
 
user142019
@ArneMertz Good morning.
 
3:30 PM
mmmmmmmmmmm
 
user142019
Also brie with chocolate topping.
 
user142019
:puke:
 
@ShotgunNinja Yaeh - gotta get some of that!
 
@MartinJames Gotta get that
Gotta get that
 
user142019
> VEVO
 
user142019
3:31 PM
rightfoldVEVO
 
We need rightfoldVEVO.
Like a hole in the head.
 
user142019
R. Martinho FernandesVEVO
 
ShotgunNinjaVEVO
 
right
 
user142019
3:33 PM
fold is awesome
 
so what do you guys usually do here?
 
user142019
@AlexM. Masturbate together over a sandwich, last one to come eats it.
 
yum
 
user142019
We also happen to occasionally talk about Haskell and C++, and horrible Stack Overflow questions.
 
3:35 PM
Oh - I've found a turbo-trick for uTorrent - shut down two VS instances. Download speed doubled.
 
user142019
I think you mean µTorrent. Learn to type.
 
I always found it hard to keep an eye on SO, because stuff gets asked/answered with the speed of light
 
@rightfold The pedants are out in full force today :(
 
What did you expect in this room?
 
user142019
Hmm.
 
3:37 PM
This room embraces pedantry like no other place on the Interwebz
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@AlexM. Only in your reference frame.
 
user142019
It is possible to flag answers as "should probably be a comment", but not the other way around.
 
user142019
@AlexM. Try , and especially .
 
user142019
Those tags are relatively slow as fuck. :P
 
Like I should spend time finding out what alt-gunge to generate a mu symbol.
 
user142019
3:39 PM
@MartinJames ⎇M
 
I never got around to learning haskell :(
I remember giving the interactive online tutorial a try a while back
 
user142019
 
user142019
Try Haskell is kinda limited.
 
lessee
 
@rightfold Oh right. [square box with meaningless hex in a micro-font] M. So glad that's that all cleared up :)
 
3:43 PM
^Km* for vim, IIRC. Indeed: μ
So that's digraph, letter, '*' (for most greek symbols)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it didnt :( FU MSR for getting my hopes high just to crush them... I have AFK life for that, I dont need it while coding :P In any case tnx for suggestion
 
µµµµµµµµµµµµµµµµµµµµµµµµµµµµµµµµµµµµµµµµµµµµµµµµ. OK, sod you lot, I wasted the time anyway :)
 
user142019
@MartinJames ⎇ is option key
 
user142019
 
user142019
Wait.
 
user142019
3:47 PM
It's 17:47.
 
Impressive.
 
user142019
Why am I still at school? I'm already done since about 14:30.
 
@rightfold you'll make a swell work-a-holic one day. soon.
 
user142019
Soon indeed. I hope to get back to work next week.
 
3:49 PM
See, I anticipated summer jobs
 
user142019
Well, not just summer.
 
user142019
Unless I attend school again in September, I'll work there for much longer. :3
 
user142019
As lead developer. I'll be developing lead.
 
user142019
Lead is toxic.
 
That pun
 
3:51 PM
So, out of sheer curiosity... How does everyone here prefer to generate formatted strings [EDIT] in C++ [/EDIT]?
 
user142019
@ShotgunNinja String interpolation if the language supports it.
 
@ShotgunNinja We don't. We avoid programming at all costs. Now go do something useful with your life.
 
user142019
I guess I'll be doing architecture stuff rather than just coding. Oh well, everything's better than the abomination I was involved in this year.
 
@ShotgunNinja boost::format
 
@rightfold It's all in the dose. The LD50 for PHP is about two lines, JavaScript about 10.
 
user142019
3:52 PM
Unstar that.
 
user142019
It's not starworthy.
 
@rightfold Wait what
 
@ShotgunNinja depends on what strings are expected and whether speed is important
 
user142019
The lead developer quit and they need a new one.
 
lead developer with iron claws
 
3:53 PM
@rightfold They should look into an alumin(i?)um developer.
 
user142019
@ShotgunNinja Or a ruby developer!
 
perl pearl developer
 
@rightfold Ruby is a crystalline molecular structure, alumin(i?)um and lead are elements.
 
Diamond geezers.
 
user142019
@ShotgunNinja Gah, both chemistry-related.
 
3:55 PM
Or go the Microsoft route, and go for Gold or Silver developers.
 
user142019
Or go the best route: go rightfold.
 
user142019
@MartinJames Stargazers.
 
user142019
(Relatively great song.)
 
Ruby is Aluminum Oxide, specifically Al2O3
 
user142019
@ShotgunNinja with chromium.
 
3:56 PM
Yes, I was just going to add that.
 
<---- mud developer, you might be gold, I will flood your surrounding with enough of my mud ... in my muddy muddy world, all gold silver will be under layers and layers of mud
 
user142019
Al2O3:Cr
 
With Cr^3+ ions.
 
@ShotgunNinja Usually with some impurities, hence color/colour.
 
user142019
@ShotgunNinja Dat regex.
 
user142019
3:57 PM
@ShotgunNinja ^ has higher precedence than + :D
 
@rightfold The caret specifies superscript.
 
user142019
Exactly.
 
Cr (superscript 3+)
 
user142019
So: (Cr^3)+ or Cr^(3+)?
 
He meant Cr^{3+} ;)
 
user142019
3:58 PM
 
I think he means chromium three plus ions Cr+++.
 
@MartinJames Freudian slip?
 
Cue C++ jokes.
 
user142019
Hue, C++ jokes.
 
I fear an outbreak of organic chemistry.
 
user142019
3:59 PM
I want to hear a German pronounce "C++" in German.
 

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