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8:46 PM
Welcome to on-topic C++ chat.
Where you don't have to face potential abuse for asking questions about C++!
 
sbi
Thanks for creating this room. I am all in favor of having a room where people can come and ask C++ questions. Good luck with it!
 
thank you :)
 
sbi
(OTOH, several of such attempts have failed. I still hope this one succeeds.)
 
I mistakenly thought lounge C++ would be a reasonable place to ask C++ questions, since it was the only C++ room, but boy was I mistaken!
 
sbi
@BryanEdds The name is "Lounge", qualified with "C++", not the other way around.
But you're certainly not the first one who got bitten by misinterpreting this.
 
8:49 PM
ya
 
sbi
I would suggest you change the room's tagline to something non-offending, though.
"Ask your C++ questions here!" would fit the room's intention and set a good goal for the room's culture.
 
ya, probably be smart
will do
room topic changed to C++: A pleasant room for discussion C++ and related things, as well as questions. (no tags)
room topic changed to C++: A pleasant room for discussing C++ and related things, as well as asking C++ questions. (no tags)
 
sbi
Seems much better to me now.
And maybe make it clearer in the room's name how this room differs from the other C++ room. There's been several C++ rooms in the chat's history, and one of the most-frequented rooms has "C++" in its name, so you might want to distinguish yourself from them.
 
ok
room topic changed to C++: An abuse-free room for discussing C++ and related things, as well as asking C++ questions. (no tags)
 
9:10 PM
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+listcommands
@lyndact The commands are: cat, gandalf, listcommands, echo, kill, imagetext, slap, time, sniper, cowSay, help, meme, bigLogo, bigWord, catLang, pirateLang
 
looking for mods for this room.
responsibilities are 1) banning unprovoked abusive behavior, and 2) monitoring lounge<C++> chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/10/loungec for abusive responses to questions and in turn redirecting victims here.
just because you use stackoverflow and C++ doesn't mean you need to put up with unprovoked abuse.
 
9:29 PM
@BryanEdds IMHO tagging with or would help with bringing the people in
 
oh, ya - forgot to do that! thx!
room topic changed to C++: An abuse-free room for discussing C++ and related things, as well as asking C++ questions. [c++]
hm, I'm still not terribly happy with the title.
room topic changed to C++: A room for question about and discussions of C++ and related things. [c++]
room topic changed to C++: A room for questions about and discussions of C++ and related things. [c++]
room topic changed to C++: A room for questions about and discussions of C++ and related things. Unprovoked abuse is not allowed. [c++]
ok, so as to discussion of C++:
 
last message 3 days ago
 
std::tuple has a pretty wild implementation :)
apparently something to do with linked lists and inheritance and omg i don't even know what
I'm going to attempt to make a generalized ML-style choice type with it
altho I wonder if won't just be less potentially buggy to make 7 different choice classes instead of a single generalized one...
I would think that the compiler errors for misuse would be easier to understand, at any rate.
I could use boost::variant internally, but that would also lead to much hairier compiler errors for end-users.
 
Ah yes, I intend to keep this place up for a very long time, because I have a personal mission statement against abuse in the software industry - justpaste.it/puzu
unlike the other C++ rooms, this room is not going to die :)
I'll sit here and talk to myself if I have to :)
I also run an abuse-free functional programming chat room at fpchat.net!
 
10:18 PM
@BryanEdds As long as it gets as close to run-time O(0)...
 
working on it, but it's going to take a bit of time I think.
it's really easy to screw this stuff up
 
10:42 PM
 
if you want I can help out
 
would you be willing to enforce the rule of 'no unprovoked abuse' and redirect unwanted questions in lounge<c++> to here?
 
10:52 PM
ok, i'll check it out!
man I suck at navigating these ownership tools
 
okay, probably just need one more owner, and should be set
thx everyone for turning my initial temper tantrum into something productive :D
now we just need some traffic
please promote where you can
ofc, best way to promote is to simply create activity in this room!
 
<<insert spambot here>>
 
11:07 PM
heh - ya, at least that will keep the room from getting garbage collected by SO, or whatev
 
@BryanEdds I just mostly do this if said freezing's a possibility
 
@набиячлэвэлиь do you agree with the no abuse rule ?
 
guys, please get agreement to enforce said rules before adding ownership :)
 
@JohanLarsson As long as it's not overenforced
 
11:12 PM
first rule - 'no initiating abuse', second rule, plz redirect unwanted questions from lounge to here.
the first rule is limited only against those who initiate abuse.
and abuse is defined as 'statements intended to belittle a person'.
unintentional belittling of course is allowed - we don't want people to walk on eggshells here
 
@набиячлэвэлиь Ok, it felt so wrong that everyone became an owner but you so I knee jerk ownered you :)
 
i need to write this stuff down somewhere
 
A pinned link to a gist is probably easiest
pinned messages stay for two weeks I thikn
 
> Starred messages appear in the room sidebar, ordered by number of stars and last time of starring. (Room owners can also pin messages, which permanently affixes them to the top of the room sidebar for up to 14 days.) The room sidebar is intended to be a collaboratively created mini-timeline of interesting room events for people who don't have time to read the entire chat transcript for that particular room.
 
so in the range 14 days - two weeks :)
 
11:19 PM
ok, here are the rules for this chat - gist.github.com/bryanedds/5e0ed2ee92cdd89bee20
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2 rules, otherwise, anarchy :)
(and 1 of the rules doesn't even apply to the users)
 
You know about the [text](url) for posting links like this right?
 
maybe if this room actually goes somewhere, and if things get too far off topic, an additional rule of 'don't drown out relevant C++ discussion with OT stuff' would be needed.
that's the only problem we would ever need another rule for.
okay, i just added that rule for completeness. shouldn't need to tinker with this stuff ever again.
std::move on C++ unions looks like a particularly tricky thing
seems like a weird solution (just always move the largest union field) - stackoverflow.com/questions/29000164/…
I don't see how that would necessarily work
 
11:35 PM
@BryanEdds All other (smaller) elements are moved as well, as all of them start at this anyway
 
what if the move ctor had custom behavior for the given type?
move is not necessarily memcpy, ya?
 
Then you can cry in a corner
Idea: tagged unions!
Oh wait
C++ doesn't have those
 
I followed up with a question on the accepted answer
 
11:52 PM
If you're just memcpying, you're asking for trouble
memcpy followed by memset to 0 makes a little bit more sense
 
i'm actually pretty confused... :)
I think I'll just stick with wasting memory for now :)
and copying everything
 

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