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7:04 PM
Let's see. Maybe we can start, say, June 15th (after the Lounge Unconference). Everyone reads the first chapter and we discuss it by the end of that week. Then we read the second chapter and discuss it at the end of next week. And so on.
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Yeah sounds great
I wonder if I should get a hardcover by then
 
Is the first chapter just the "dialogue" (was it "prelude"?)
 
long time since I read anything. Just watching video tutorials with eyes closed as of lately.
 
I don't have the book with me atm (I'm at my g/f)
me too, I guess
 
We should do dialogue+chapter
They're always related.
 
7:11 PM
That's what I thought :)
 
Is this something people do nowadays or what?
I've never done anything like this.
 
I don't know but it's a cool idea
 
@Jefffrey Me neither. But book reading clubs have existed forever
 
The book is awesome and this gives me motivation to read it - this time till the end, hopefully
 
So what books should I buy? had a list a while ago but lost it before ordering.
Maybe Atlas Shrugged, never read Ayn Rand.
 
7:21 PM
Ayn shrugged
 
Coetzee is good if you have missed him.
Is spamming random book stuff here ok until the reading starts?
 
I've got so many books I haven't read yet on my shelf
I'd rather pick one of those than buying new ones
 
Spring is a good time to buy books.
I end up reading random books I find at people I visit otherwise.
Or even worse grab one in the petrol station on they way to the beach.
 
7:37 PM
Wait. They sell books at the petrol station o.O ?!
 
Ideal book is 200 pages imo, can be read in one day.
 
Ermm... I never looked at books that way
 
but it makes sense right?
Also they handle nicely in bed.
 
Oooh I do that with my smartphone.
 
Why do people always say they like Dostojevskij?
Maybe because it is the only ~fancy book they have read?
 
7:44 PM
@Johan I don't recommend Rand unless you really want to know what the fuss is about. It's not good literature, and it's not good philosophy (well, it's not philosophy at all, according to philosophers)
 
ty ty
Have you read Hunter Thompson?
 
No.
Never read Dostojevski either
 
Hunter is interesting and fun, Dostojevski is decent but boring imo.
 
@JohanLarsson well...
 
not relevant?
 
7:51 PM
I'm a stickler for scifi and I despise anyone who thinks less of me for not having read some particular 'classic' or who thinks scifi is categorically bad.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes is my spam ok or should I take it elsewhere?
 
Er, it's fine
That was an interesting autocorrect
 
Don't think I ever read a scifi other than hitchhiker, recommendation?
 
I finished Under the Skin recently. It's great. The City and the City is also awesome.
TC&TC is my favourite still.
It explores what it means to live in a city among strangers.
 
I have that one next to my bed
haven't started it yet
 
8:02 PM
oh I started reading the city but forgot about it
 
Under the Skin explores themes of self-identity and... killing for food? It's weird. I can't quite describe that second theme in few words, but I find it interesting.
I think in the end it's just what it means to be human or animal.
 
Me too :)
Well, if fantasy counts. I may have read some of my mom's books in that category when I was really young
 
Fantasy and scifi are interchangeable in many cases.
Star Trek would work just fine with magic sailing ships going out to discover new continents.
Clarke's Law blurs away any difference between the two.
 
8:18 PM
Is Asimov any good?
 
His short stories are pretty good.
 
I read novels and stories by him when I was young
I loved it
 
His writing style is bland as fuck, but the stories are good.
 
I read The Martian Chronicles (in Italian) and liked it
no wait
lol that's not Asimov
I'm confused
 
That's Bradbury
 
8:20 PM
yeah
 
I like Niven because he's really good at writing characters that are smarter than him, but then that's the only kind of character he can write.
 
Do you read books in original language?
 
Depends. I can only read three languages fluently.
 
> only
 
Wtf that's not a lot
 
8:27 PM
fluently? for someone who doesn't study languages?
 
Well, afaik many people study a second and sometimes a third language in school
 
they do, but they're usually not fluent
 
I'm not sure if I should order books by English writers in English.
 
yes you should
always original language
might be harder to read but fuck translations
 
Less effort to read in Swedish but translation prolly hurts the language used.
@Andy I thought you were brittish.
 
8:30 PM
@JohanLarsson :D no, I'm Italian
I used to read books and watch movies in Italian when I lived there and it feels so awkward when I do it now
 
@Andy well, it just happens that I valued it and made an effort to keep it up. I just find it annoying when people say stuff like that. Often people say "but you're smart" and I find that belittles both my effort and themselves and I don't feel ok with either of those. When it's said like that it doesn't come off as a compliment but as a dismissal of my effort.
 
> I have to be honest: I only filled this bit in in order to see how much text I have to put in to earn one of those neat internet badges. It is quite a lot. bio
Well...
 
(I might be reading too much into what you said and I'm pre-annoyed from another exchange today, so apologies if that was not warranted)
 
No problem, I'm not implying anything about the effort it took, really. I'm just saying being fluent in three languages does not deserve the "only"
I know there are people who speak fluently like 10 languages or more
 
@JohanLarsson I try to. I'll definitely never read a Dutch translation of an English book
 
8:38 PM
but being fluent in three languages is way more than the average
 
I've read French and German books in original language. I've tried Italian. That didn't work out.
 
I am also not belittling myself (at least not in this instance :D), because I speak 3 languages fluently too
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes which of the three :)
@AndyProwl Yeah, but you're smart o.O
<ducks/>
 
@Andy I think you'd be surprised
In the Netherlands, the median is 3.
 
really?
fluently?
also, let's not include people who study languages
that's their job
@sehe lol
 
8:42 PM
@AndyProwl well, varying degrees. Also, I think that stat might be from the '80s
@AndyProwl They're not any kind of majority anyways
 
in Italy the average is probably 1
in Czech Republic it doesn't get to 2
Slovakia's the same AFAICT
I've been in Spain and not many people spoke anything else than Spanish
 
Anecdotal much :) Though I agree. It varies a lot by country
 
yeah well I haven't tested the whole country :D
it's true though that I never met anyone who did not speak English in the Netherlands
 
Thing is, it's not unusual for educated people to speak English. Then you have people that grow up in bilingual environments like Quebec, Texas, India, or China.
In some environments, 3 is the baseline.
 
a friend of mine has Brazilian mother, Chilean father, grew up in Belgium, and lived in Italy with her boyfriend for several years. She speaks 5 languages fluently. I've always been so envious
 
8:47 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes have you tested your iq?
 
Portuguese, French, Spanish, and Italian have high mutual intelligibility, though, and a vast shared vocabulary.
 
@AndyProwl you are a habitual slef-belitterer :)
 
I can read Spanish quite ok, and understand overall meaning if spoken slowly. Portuguese, no chance
 
I don't speak Spanish because I don't need to to have a conversation with a Spaniard.
@Andy Portuguese is probably the easiest to start from :P Speaking from experience.
 
Spanish and Portuguese have 97% overlap no?
 
8:50 PM
@JohanLarsson It's just honest self-assessment
 
@Johan probably less. That sounds like what dialects would have.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I have Portuguese friends and couldn't understand shit of what they were saying when talking to each other
 
I made the number up.
 
They're clearly distinct languages.
 
also phonetics counts a lot
 
8:51 PM
@Andy yeah, everyone asks to speak slower.
 
I used to know some Portuguese, we were travelling for a couple of months in Brazil. They did not even know yes/no in English so we had to learn. Don't think I remember anything now.
 
Brazilians tend to speak awful English.
 
Slovak and Czech are regarded as very similar languages and people here understand each other as if it were just one language (except for kids maybe), but some sounds are very different and to an untrained brain even a few differing vowels are enough to get you lost
that's my experience at least
I assume something similar holds for Spanish and Portuguese
or even for Spanish and Italian
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes they speak null
Is Brave new world worth reading?
 
The educated ones do speak it. But no one understands them.
 
8:55 PM
Skimming a book thread finding classics I have not read.
Russians sound cool when they speak English. Power English.
 
I had a Brazilian acquaintance for whom I often had to translate English-English so others would know wtf he meant.
They just mispronounce everything.
 
lol
 
No matter which language it is, it always sounds like Brazilian. Even their presidents
 
That was an interesting thing in Brazil, slightest mispronunciation by us lead to them not understanding.
My theory is that it was due to them only knowing one language.
 
Oh. People here speak a really funny-sounding German.
"zwäu" instead of "zwei"
That Brazilian guy I met would say "nasow" instead of "nasal", for example.
 
9:03 PM
nasãl
 
there's a new Cinch in the Lounge
 
Nah, that'd keep the final l. Brazilians never do that.
 
Brazilian UFC fighters often sound like children when speaking English.
Contrast to their looks.
 
European Portuguese often mispronounce the vowels (because we have so many vowel sounds!), but Brazilians fuck up the consonants.
 
The Brazilians sing what they say, I think it sounds ok.
But I don't know that many Brazilians who speak English.
18 books in cart now, looking forward to reading the Swedish authors the most.
 
9:29 PM
17 now, forgot to remove Rand.
 
9:40 PM
Woah that's a lot
 
Most are short and sweet, summer is long. I have insane amounts of hours 'inarbetade'
too lazy to translate
Also a couple are for gf, turned out she had not read 1984 for example.
 
9:56 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes the whole of africa tends to speak english or french (aside from mother tongues)
@JohanLarsson I can just skim my shelves...
@JohanLarsson many many languages do this with their english. They tend to use bastardized english words in Russian too, by the way. And they tack on 'ah' sounds at the end randomly to make it sound more russian
The Ukranians in our team actively make fun of this. They regard it as sloppy language use.
 
I think it sounds good in a grumpy way.
 
Much like Belgians are more active language purists than the Dutch. So, when the Dutch speak with their many barbarisms, the Belgians make fun of us and say we can't even speak our own language properly
@JohanLarsson Thing is, it's not just the sound :|
 
I'm watching the range talk :)
 
Don't let it escape!
(mod hat: wrong room)
 
Ell
Is this going to start at chapter 1?
Or have you guys already started?
 
10:03 PM
we'll start from chapter 1
3 hours ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Let's see. Maybe we can start, say, June 15th (after the Lounge Unconference). Everyone reads the first chapter and we discuss it by the end of that week. Then we read the second chapter and discuss it at the end of next week. And so on.
 
I have not ordered the book yet
chapter per week feels slow if the book is good
 
it's also dense
also I personally do not have that much free time during the week
or rather, I cannot devote much of the free time I have to reading GEB during the week
 
cos you must chat right? :)
 
lol, I was expecting that
 
the plan is fine, chapter per week it is.
 
10:06 PM
g/f claims time, I often have to work overtime, I need to study programming stuff, and sometimes just turn my brain off
 
It's a very discussy thing, and it's digestible in parts.
@Ell see starboard
 
Ell
Cool
I didn't see that somehow
 
Twasn't there :D
 
Ell
Oh :P
 
I wish I had the book with me
I feel like reading it already
 
10:15 PM
I have low expectations :)
 
how come?
 
1) My English is crap. 2) Think reading it the right way will require concentration I lack.
 
Oh, I thought you meant the book won't be very interesting. Well, it seems to me you manage to express yourself in English all right. As for concentration, yes it's not a lightweight book (in all senses), but this study group is going to help IMO
if you don't understand something, other people can explain it to you so you won't be blocked
this is also why I look forward to it
first time I tried to read the book, I lost stamina about half way through
also understanding Godel's theorems is a life goal for me. Haven't managed yet
just thinking that the fucker figured them out on his own at the age of 23 and I find it really hard to get it even with plenty of literature available drives me nuts
also I live on the street where he was born and didn't even know that when I moved here :D
 
Most brilliant things in history of man are probably figured out at the age ~23.
 
Ell
I don't know any og eschers stuff
is he the same guy as MC Escher?
 
10:30 PM
yes
he's brilliant
 
Ell
I know of his artwork
that is all really
 
his drawings are absolutely genius
@JohanLarsson yeah probably
although Andrew Wiles completed the proof of FLT at the age of 40
 
I have Escher's Metamorphose as a poster across the wall of my bedroom.
 

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