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12:00 AM
But I dont know how to get the user. How do I check the user's age in something like that?
That's the part that I'm stuck ast.
 
@MikeAsdf what are you using for Xamarin iOS development? I only have a windows machine but I'm thinking about getting either a macbook pro or a mac mini (which would be a lot cheaper and I would probably only use it for xamarin ios dev). It would be my personal machine. I'm not on iOS for work but figured it would be useful to have one for xamarin dev
 
well that sounds like a custom attribute type thing, I havent done much with that because the defaults are fine for what we do
the user is in the httpcontext
 
@hsimah Ok that yes. Where do I actually say that the httpcontext.user is the model I just submitted in a form where I gave the name, password and age? The link between those is what i cant find anywhere
 
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Q: ASP MVC5 - Identity. How to get current ApplicationUser

EllbarI have Article entity in my project which have ApplicationUser property named Author. How can I get full object of currently logged ApplicationUser. While creating new article I have to set Author property in Article to current ApplicationUser. In old Membership mechanism it was simple but in th...

 
I feel like you guys would slap me if we were doing this in person :/.
 
12:13 AM
uh
httpcontext.user is the principal
it has roles
and an identity
if you are submitting a form, that model will come through as an argument on your controller
 
But they're set to their default values. Completely ignoring values in the model I have just submitted in my form
 
ie Create(Item item) as a [HttpPost] method will have the data submitted from the view
 
@hsimah I know how that works perfectly. I can do that fine.
 
okay
so have you added roles and a user to your application
(I havent read everything you've posted0
 
@hsimah Not to my Application. I have users in a database. They have a UserName, Password and Age (ignore the terrible security issues with this setup). In the form, I post the model with all 3 fields set to an action named "Verify(User user)" with [HttpPost] attribute. That works perfectly fine. But If I use the [Authorize] attribute, then I have no idea how to even get the username of the model I just created in the custom validator.
 
12:35 AM
do the users have roles?
sorry, I'm at work and have to do what I am paid to do so i'll be slow replying lol
 
Let's make this as simple as possible. I'm giving the attribute [Authorize(UserName="Admin")] so if the User types in "Admin" to the form and clicks submit, he'll have access.
 
no
that is now how it works
he has to have the admin role before he can access the controller endpoint that the form submits to
you'd have to allowanonymous or something if you are adding roles
or have an admin grant that role
 
posted on September 01, 2016 by Scott Hanselman

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So the form submits a model of type CustomUser to an [HttpPost] action that searches the database to find that the user's role="Admin", Then redirects to another action that then has an attribute [Authorize]... but i cant access it, because how does that action know I want CustomUser.role="Admin" to give that CustomUser authorization?
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2:38 AM
@KalaJ using a mac mini for xamarin.
 
Oh boy a Xamarin dev :D
I've been heavy into Xamarin development at work since I started at this job a year and a half ago
 
I'm going to have to start learning Xamarin soon too :/
 
Why the long face?
It's not an alien planet ;)
 
@borrrden You just answered your own question :P
 
I'm a library developer so I don't need to care much about the platform specific APIs, though
I did?
It would make sense to me if I said it was an alien planet :-S
 
2:43 AM
Who wouldn't want to visit an alien planet?
 
@borrrden Because it's so much that I have to learn this year :O
 
Well to be fair Xamarin isn't really something that you "learn" perse
 
@borrrden Oh? What kind of system is it then?
 
It's still just C# at the end of the day, what you might need to learn is Xamarin Forms and/or CocoaTouch APIs
and/or Android APIs
I guess you could say that is a pedantic view though
 
If it's a pedantic view, I will cling to it with every tentacle on my body.
 
2:46 AM
:D
Does anyone here happen to develop cross platform and have any neat tools they'd like to share?
I'm partial to MvvmCross, myself (github.com/MvvmCross/MvvmCross)
 
I use HTML and JS for xplat :3
 
How does that make you feel?
We have a supported phonegap plugin but I stay away from it...
 
I just like JS more for hobby projects
portability is a nice bonus
 
I was strongly turned off of Javascript from a bad experience in my past...namely trying to write an app in Titanium
 
I mainly use C# for big projects at work, and for stuff that needs desktop.
 
2:55 AM
That being said, I have a Javascript compiler in a portion of the library I am making ><
So that the library can compile and run Javascript functions sent through REST requests
 
ouch
 
Well another guy did most of the work for me anyway (yay open source)
 
JavaScript is a terrible language, but once you get past the quirks, it's pretty fun to just play with.
 
Xamarin isn't really something that you "learn", it's something that you wrestle and endure
 
I can agree with that statement as well
(About Xamarin)
 
2:58 AM
"Xamarin build agent disconnected" whelp guess I'll restart visual studio 2 times in a row
 
Javascript still bugs me. One thing in particular makes me angry. When I last used it, if you misspelled a variable name you didn't end up with an error but a new global variable
 
If you abandon outdated features like ==, var, global variables, callback-based async... you have a nice ecosystem
@borrrden There's a way to prevent that: "use strict";
 
=============
 
In particular Xamarin Studio is a wrestling partner
I'm rooting for Visual Studio Code
use strict ftw then!
 
In fact, the first example of what strict mode does in the doc is exactly that situation.
lol
 
3:03 AM
I wonder if the mobile platforms were using v5 or higher at the time I did this app in 2011
 
3:48 AM
Anyone know how to get a particular variable from a model? In this case it's "Type". Using the attribute [CustomAuthorization]

    public class CustomAuthorisation : AuthorizeAttribute
        {
            public string Type { get; set; }
            protected override bool AuthorizeCore(HttpContextBase httpContext)
            {
                if (???? == Type)
                {
                    return true;
                }
                else
                {
                    return false;
 
 
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5:22 AM
I dunno what you want, whats the model in your code snippet?
On a personal level, I need help with this question: stackoverflow.com/questions/39261413/…
 
6:14 AM
@RoelvanUden Good mornin' Sensei!
 
o/
 
I need a counter for the amount of times I have asked this, but I'm quite sure last time I came in here and asked why my query is returning empty instead of a actual value, I was told to do a .FirstOrDefault(), but that doesn't work in this scenario. Any help is much appreciated! (So bottomline is, output is simply empty wheres the expected output is a name from the database)
I also tried to not include the .Name part but that returns "Namespace.Models.Customer" which isnt much better
 
Good morning.
 
o/
 
6:24 AM
Morning
 
What does /° mean?
or o/
 
o/ is "high five" - think of it as a head next to an upraised hand.
 
To answer my own question: urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=o%2F
Haha i just googled it @AvnerShahar-Kashtan
 
The usual response is \o, which is a high five from the other direction.
 
and /° is a bitchslap?
 
6:34 AM
Me, I'm a smart-ass, so I go for the "upside down high-five while hanging from the ceiling".
 
or that :D
 
6:47 AM
\o/
 
Nerd in got the thumbnail bug and not me
That makes my day a little bit better
 
haha hwo did that happen?^^
Hello Jackob
 
No idea
I wrote to Meta and woopsidoops, everything was fixed
 
I still miss your huge ass-beard
(Miles A. here)
 
Ohh, hello Miles :pö
I shaved a bit more 2 days ago
:<
 
6:51 AM
Do this pl0x
 
I don't think that would get approved by the society
Why is your image fixed already. what the heck
 
FYI a guy who looks just like that works at lufthansa and is a high [animal /player /roller] (? i don't know the right word)
 
@Nerdintraining None of these words seem to fit, except maybe the last.
 
Yeahy!
Even a blind chicken can find corn (thats what we say in the old naziland at least :)
 
7:08 AM
Morning all
 
7:21 AM
\o/ another work day
 
Work another day.
 
Work work work work
 
Is there a way to have a private class that you can just call specifically instead of having to use a using tag all the time? So for example, being able to type

_context.Table.Add();

Instead of

using(var _context = new DataContext()) {
_context.Table.Add();
}
Since when I type private DataContext _context; , it gives me "Field DataContext._context is never assigned to and will always have its default value null"
 
The point of using() is to ensure that resources are released after it goes out of scope.
 
That I know
 
7:28 AM
You could handle that at a higher level though
 
But I would kind of want to prevent having to use 100 different using tags in the one and same Datacontext file
 
There's still the inescapable fact that you either have to instantiate and dispose your context every time, or you keep it alive throughout your class but risk holding on to resources for a long time.
If you want to keep the DataContext's lifetime short but don't want to see the using blocks that enable it, you can wrap it in a method:
public void AddItem(Item item)
{
    using (var context = new DataContext())
   {
        context.Table.Add(item);
        context.SaveChanges();
   }
}
 
Good day everyone :D :D :D
 
Or, you can make it generic:
 
It's 3:38PM here, :D haha
@RoelvanUden :) can I ask you for a secs.
or @AvnerShahar-Kashtan :) can I ask you? :)
 
7:40 AM
void InContext(Action<DataContext>() action)
{
      using (var context = new DataContext())
      {
           action(context);
      }
}

And call it like this:
    InContext(context => context.Table.Add(item));
 
I see, okay
 
@mark333...333...333 Don't ask specific people. Ask the room.
And don't ask if you can ask.
 
But can I still ask this:
 
When you ask specific people, you're imposing on them, specifically, to answer you. We don't want that. Ask the room, and if any wants to answer, they will.
 
I remember I somehow used a _context private class in a earlier project some time back, do you have any idea how I would have done that if so? :x
Because I were able to create a query where I simply wrote, for example

var query = (from a in _context.table) ..

And that _context must have come from somewhere
 
7:43 AM
@Xariez That's just holding a reference to your DataContext at the class level, as a field. It's fine, except you're keeping it open all the time.
That's the alternative to having short-lived DataContext instances.
 
Right. But how would one do that? Because I was assuming private DataContext _context; , but that gives me "Field DataContext._context is never assigned to, and will always have a default value null" ?
 
The choice whether to have a short-lived or long-lived DataContext is open to debate: google.co.il/…
@Xariez That's because you're never instantiating it.
 
And if I add a CTOR to it, it doesnt exactly make it better as it gives me a immediate error
 
Ok, stop, go back to basic C#. This has nothing to do with datacontexts.
You never called new DataContext(), so you don't have an instance.
 
I see.
 
7:48 AM
I kind of like to have it on a transactional level.
 
Not that I am currently getting anything but errors when trying to do it but atleast I know whats causing it, so that I appreciate
 
@scheien Same here. If I have a "SaveItem" method that does several things (updates an item record, saves a entry in the AuditLog table and updates an ItemStatistics table, for instance), I like to have them all execute in the same DataContext.
 
^_^ okay, ahm in Asp.NET MVC, there are common ways of connecting the model into the server, vice versa. It could be thru dataset or thru manual encoding of model and scaffold them and let controller do the migration.
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan Yep. It's a bit easier to handle if it fails on one of the actions.
 
What's the best approach? creating models using dataset or manual encoding of models as a class? :)
I'm just wondering what pattern I need to follow.
 
7:52 AM
good morning
 
@ntohl good day, hehe it's afternoon.
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan and @RoelvanUden :) you guys get my point?
 
@ntohl Greetings earthling!
 
@mark333...333...333 good (ugt) morning
 
@ntohl ^_^ and good afternoon. :D
 
7:54 AM
talking about basic C#,

Could you recommend a good website to learn c#?
 
@scheien are you using ASP.NET MVC? :)
 
Ah well, I think I might be using seperate usings afterall and se what I do later on as its not that many anyways. Im off for food! Thanks so much for the help once again!
 
@mark333...333...333 Yes.
 
Ahm can you read my message above? :)
I'm just making survey what's the best approach in using models in asp.net MVC
 
If there was a single best approach, there wouldn't be so many accepted and established ways.
I haven't used MVC much myself, but I always prefer to manually define my model classes - regardless of my database, they're the logical entities that my application handles.
 
8:04 AM
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan but what do you prefer. :) I want to make our team centralize and following the same approach.
The left part is using the dataset automatic model creation, on the right part use manual define model classes as you prefer. :)
 
Then, I connect them to a data model. This can be as simple as using Code-First entity framework, adding a couple of attribute to the model classes and letting EF create tables out of them.
An alternative is defining your DB model separately - directly in the DB, or using EDMX mappings, and then mapping between the app model and data model.
 
But thank you @AvnerShahar-Kashtan :) I'll consider your answer. :)
Yeah, that's the other approach, using EDMX mappings. :)
 
Generally speaking, in projects where the DB isn't a bottleneck, you can happily have it be auto-generated from code. If you want to be able to maintain, optimize, refactor and normalize your DB separately from your model, use EDMX.
 
I give a count of the Model Class first :)
what do you mean byh "DB isn't a bottlenect"? :)
 
In many projects I've worked on, we didn't have massive amounts of data, so the relatively naive tables that Code First modeling created were good enough for us.
In more demanding projects, you'll want more control - maybe denormalize several distinct entities into one table to improve performance, maybe split tables into different partitions or databases - and then you'll want to have distinction between your model and your database.
 
8:10 AM
Ah I see. But what is the best approach whether the project is big or small?
I'm not sure if the connection using EDMX will sync if I transfer on the new server. What do you think?
 
That's not really a deciding concern.
 
Since in Code first migration EF, if you run the controller, it's automatically create the tables depending on the models.
 
Just change the connection string.
 
Yeah I see. But I doubt if just the connection string is the only thing I need to change in order to sync the new server with existing database from the previous server
I'm not sure.
 
You're mixing up two things. The first is "what are the architectural/design pros and cons of using approach A vs. B". The second is "I have this technical issue with approach A".
You shouldn't make an architectural decision based on the fact that the EDMX designer threw an error connecting to a server.
 
8:15 AM
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan 2nd try ;)

talking about basic C#,
Could you recommend a good website to learn c#?
 
@Nerdintraining Not really, sorry. I learned C# so long ago, I wouldn't really know where to go to start learning today.
 
^^ okay thanks.
I've lernd java and just started C# out of convenience
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan Yes I got your very rich data. :) But I don't know, I'm not sure. It's just an assumption about EDMX designer. About the sync of connection issues. :)
@Nerdintraining :) you can go to MVA (Microsoft Virtual Academy) most of them are free. :) mva.microsoft.com/en-us/training-courses/…
 
@mark333...333...333 thanks for that1
i'll chek it iout
 
Good :) You're welcome. :) Microsoft never abandon those who want to learn their tools ^_^ Forget about Java man. :D haha
 
8:20 AM
avner
its okay dude.
 
@mark333...333...333 Haha, Java: Never forgive, never forget :P
 
you know you made stackoverflow just yesterday.
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan Thank you man :) I appreciate your answer. :)
 
Java is a powerfull tool if you have to work with Lotus Notes
 
@Nerdintraining haha C# offers a lot. That's why I choose C# more than java.
 
8:22 AM
+1 On that.
If you come to a company thjat uses "Lotus Notes" Or IBN Notes as it is called now adays, you will probebly end up using Java more often than wanted.
That Programm integreted Java, so that you can easely use it there.
roughly speaking
 
haha then go to the C# driven company instead. :D You can easy use C# also, I found it very friendly and visionary tool.
C# offers a variety of cross platform environment. :) You want an app to android,ios, windows, or even cross platform one shared code C#, you can have it on C#. :)
You can create ar codes or vr codes using C# or even games powered by Unity3D
web and windows, using ASP.NET MVC framework for web and WCF/WPF/Windows form etc. for windows app, it's very friendly :)
Since C# is under the Microsoft, as long as the Microsoft products exists, C# is always a demand. :)
 
:D
First i have to finish my training to become a "fully qualified software developer" :D
Then i can go and search for better companier ;)
 
^_^ That's awesome man. @Nerdintraining C# is powerful :)
 
Aswell i Agree, that C# is the way to go!
More and more companies are putting "their money" into c#
 
Yeah, :) Microsoft is creating a vast future driven techniques to empower the companies to use Microsoft products. :)
 
8:29 AM
haha best way to have everybody by their balls :)
Anyways i gotta split, have to run around the company now ;)
 
and if you are a startup company, Microsoft offers a free tools for 3 years. :) Free license. :)
 
Have a nice day and so on and so forth :)
@mark333...333...333 That, i will keep in mind!
 
As I notice Microsoft has a great future driven goals. :)
@Nerdintraining :) Oh good!
 
Bye byes :-)
 
Have a great day @Nerdintraining :)
Just keep in touch in our community like this. People here are awesome! :) I like them all.
 
8:34 AM
@ARr0w I did what?
 
8:46 AM
@mark333...333...333 You get VS community, VSO and much more for free if your team is 5 or less.
 
@scheien fewer*
;)
 
ai ai
:)
 
War
hey guys ... did I leave something out here?
-1
Q: AesEncryption doesn't appear to decrypt right?

WarI wrote this class to allow me to encrypt and decrypt the json representation of objects but it doesn't appear to work as the MSDN documentation (here: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.security.cryptography.aesmanaged%28v=vs.95%29.aspx?f=255&MSPPError=-2147217396) suggests it shoul...

that last comment, the guy is complaining that I provided no data ... I provided a friggin failing unit test
 
9:03 AM
dont worry
 
War
wasn't a bad question was it?
I put quite a bit off effort in to providing as much detail as possible ... the only worry I had was that it felt a bit homeworky if you know what I mean
thought it might get down voted for being a bit "plz fix ma codez"
 
btw those chinese chars I have seen them in my database when I used some encoding like this
 
War
yeh i think it's something wierd like that
like lets say the result of the algo was to remove 1 from each byte value
it feels like it's doing that, then on decrypt adding 2 or something
 
it is a good question. Providing a unit test, which doesn't use weird stuff, but still sometimes failing for no reason, is more than enough
 
War
or maybe it's something to do with the input I am giving it / the way i'm setting up the encrypt / decrypt streams
@ntohl thanks ... that's reassuring
but none of those are set as the answer so I aint even sure they work
 
9:12 AM
Why is your AES so complicated >_<
 
War
roel please simplify it for me
I don't know how ... gimme a 2 line solution to encrypt and another 2 lines for decrypt ... that's my dream here lol
 
Let me just finish my current work and I'll whip something together.
 
War
aww thx man :)
killed my mojo yesterday ... even got the boss to take a look and he went suspiciously quite after reading the msdn article about it
@RoelvanUden i've seen this one too: gist.github.com/jbtule/4336842#file-aesthenhmac-cs
completely lost me though
I guess my ideal is AES + HMAC but just getting my head round AES would be a good start
I was thinking though if I implemented AES in this class I could decorate it with a HMAC class to keep the different algos separated
would be a nice solution to use
var crypto = new HmacCrypto<T>(new AesCrypto<HmacOut>());
string encryptResult = crypto.Encrypt(someObject);
kinda elegant :)
 
Do you want AES or AES-GCM via BouncyCastle?
 
War
is it possible to separate the AES and the HMAC like the code above?
or do they need to be in the same method
 
9:23 AM
AES-GCM has AES+GMAC
You can seperate it and do it manually though, but I recommend standards.
 
War
oh is that like a different version of the AES algo?
 
Modi is very important.
ECB is terrible for example.
 
War
ah ok ... I'm planning to use it right now for signing special requests
 
CTR is best
 
War
but could use it for other things
 
9:25 AM
AES-GCM is AES-CTR+GMAC ;-)
 
War
That's like telling someone who never saw a pc about asp.net, on the www, using http + css + js
to me ... i'm like ... eh?
 
Basically, AES is a sequence of blocks XOR'ed with an ever-changing key.
Each block is 128-bit, even if your key is larger.
 
War
ah that explains the padding thing I was scratching my head over yesterday
 
CBC is 'padded', for example, meaning that if you have 8 bits to encrypt, you'll end up with a 128 bit block anyway. Meaning, you've just exposed 120 bits of your key.
(because xor'ing 0 is well.. reversable)
 
War
that makes sense, so as much as possible you want to be encrypting as many blocks as you have in key length
ideally more
 
9:28 AM
Code Monkey like Fritos
Code Monkey like Tab and Mountain Dew
 
That doesn't matter really. All you want is to not expose your key. So, never pad.
Your key should be as long as possible so chances are lower you're encrypting something reversible.
 
War
hmmm, but to avoid padding you need to be sure you encrypt an exact number of bits
or am i missing something ?
 
Yeah. A mode that doesn't encrypt more than that's available works.
 
War
Galois/Counter Mode (GCM) is a mode of operation for symmetric key cryptographic block ciphers that has been widely adopted because of its efficiency and performance. GCM throughput rates for state of the art, high speed communication channels can be achieved with reasonable hardware resources. The operation is an authenticated encryption algorithm designed to provide both data authenticity (integrity) and confidentiality. GCM is defined for block ciphers with a block size of 128 bits. Galois Message Authentication Code (GMAC) is an authentication-only variant of the GCM which can be used as an...
I'm starting to dive down the rabbit hole :(
 
9:48 AM
Hey guys, do you know how can I delete all html elements on a webbrowser control except for one?
 
War
$("some selector").remove();
does jquery have a not operator
never tried tbh
 
@War if you have time this is a great free course and explains crypto methods in great detail coursera.org/learn/crypto
 
War
but you could basically say something like $("not #foo").remove()
 
i think so but I'm using something like this to delete the elements: webBrowser1.Document.GetElementById("gpu_notice").OuterHtml = "";
 
War
@MatthewFlynn that's exactly what i've been trying to avoid
 
9:50 AM
do I have to run jquery?
 
War
I just need this done so I can move on
 
Sorry War it just ain't gonna happen before I get off work.
 
War
aww :(
 
Can someone try to answer this question of mine? stackoverflow.com/questions/39238372/…
 
War
am i missing something or is that pretty straightforward?
 
9:55 AM
It
It's pretty straightforward i guess
I saw your answer. How do I implement that code on c#? How can I run the script?
It'll be better if I could run the code on c# because I find javascript implementation confusing
 
Well. Learn.
 
I'm new to c# and I'm trying to do this for the past 3 or 4 days. It's a super simple thing and I'm frustating with it!
 
What may seem like a super single thing, may not be one.
 
10:21 AM
Yea
 
10:33 AM
@War yes.
 
10:54 AM
Hi!
    bool changed = false;

    changed |= false;                  // is this the same?
    changed = changed || false;  // is this the same?
I try
changed ||= false;
but in C# I think there is no such operator
 
> x |= y – OR assignment. OR the value of y with the value of x, store the result in x, and return the new value.
 
@marbel82 it is the same
 
@scheien Thanks! This is what I ment "x | y – logical or bitwise OR"
 
@ntohl: isn't it a slight difference? logical vs conditional?
x |= y is the same as x = x | y
 
@scheien I think not
or is it?
oh shit
than it's not the same
sorrz
 
11:06 AM
At least that's what the docs say.
 
Guys, if you want to help me on my question: stackoverflow.com/questions/39269571/…
 
@scheien which is fine because the most important difference (lazy evaluation) doesn't apply here
 
@milleniumbug yes. You're right.
 
11:43 AM
hey, anyone here experienced with something called 'ServiceStack'?
 
I've heard of it.
Something something webforms rest generic handlers.
 
yeah that thing
someone decided to use that to write a service that is to be used as a daemon on a Debian machine
(someone != me)
 
WHY?
 
why what?
 
I hope that was something implemented before webapi came along.
 
11:46 AM
that was implemented a few days ago
 
yeah, that suck.
 
Stupidity knows no bounds. Anyway, what's the question?
 
true. What's the problem?
 
I'm not sure what's the problem is there? It's actively developed by the looks of it
 
Webforms.
 
11:46 AM
nah this is rest
 
ServiceStack is not Webforms.
 
isn't it the one that's based on webforms generic handlers?
 
It's a REST API stack, and it's quite fast and well documented.
 
anyway 'my' problem is that if I start it, I can't put it in the background/can't run it as a daemon
 
And the guy that developed it can?
 
11:47 AM
well he never pressed enter in his cmd box...or tried to put it in the background
I've no idea why anyone would program something to react on Enter being pressed in such a way
in any case I can't find anything about this behaviour on their github page either
 
@RoelvanUden I hope you're right, and I'm wrong :>
 
I hoped that someone here might've had experience with this and stumbled over that behaviour
even if I use exec on Linux it still manages to write to 'my' console and react to enter.
I don't even know how to phrase a proper search request for that
 
running a core console application as service linux?
are you sure it's bound to servicestack and not the console application itself?
or whatever it runs in.
 
good point
that's probably it...yeah it's a console application
changing it now.
 
what if you put an ampersand at the end?
someapp &
 
11:57 AM
@scheien tried that, it didn't care.
 
iirc it will still be bound to the terminal pid
 
Log output still happened and it still reacted to enter
even exec and ampersand
or start-stop-daemon
nothing changed that behaviour
 

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