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12:16 AM
why are you putting newlines in it?
 
@Codeman It still throws errors even without the new lines
 
One
12:39 AM
$250 for lumia 950
 
12:54 AM
 
Is anyone here an expert with SwapChainPanels?
 
lol no
 
What's funny?
 
 
1 hour later…
2:05 AM
morning
 
2:38 AM
 
3:02 AM
Anyone have any idea how to get the columns of a database table? I have the table, I can do
myDB.myTable.Title = "something";
But I'm finding it impossible to just get a list of all the columns. I'm even reading stuff like:

select column_name from information_schema.columns where table_name='table';
is that meant to be Linq? because my linq doesn't allow that at all.

is it meant to be SQL? great, but how the hell can I run it? coz the following:
var studentList = truTextsDB.Database.SqlQuery("Select * from Student")
and the columns for tables. It's 5AM here and i really need some rest. going to try have a 2 hour nap. please someone answer though.
 
 
2 hours later…
5:27 AM
Court ruled in favour of Google
Suck it Oracle
 
6:13 AM
don't know if it helps but you probbably tried it before... stackoverflow.com/questions/7159524/…
if your still up that is
 
Happy .... Friday guys!
 
6:43 AM
since i started working it has become my favorite weekday-day
so yes happy friday
 
Doing anything fun this weekend?
 
Friday \o/
@TomW Yeah. Good news indeed!
 
I have to work tomorrow :(
 
Work tomorrow :S urgh
 
You earned "Necromancer" badge. \o/
 
6:57 AM
I am going to spend the weekend with my ex GF... That will be... Interestign to say the least.
Necro badge? Shieeet
Awarded 274767 times
 
yeah it's a common one. Still, I don't participate much :P
 
I am surprised you even did
 
I have that too
I don't remember why though
 
Can be awarded multiple times
 
Bad Necromancer
 
6:59 AM
stackoverflow.com/questions/1408175/… aka: "How do I write bad unit tests?"
 
Have a cookie
 
it amused me when I traveled around Europe seeing "Bad" written on doors and things.
 
as in bath?
 
yeah
my favorite one here is the "Bad Bahnhof"
 
we have "Badhus"
 
7:01 AM
'Bad' english? in europe?
:P
 
"Bad House"
 
unpossible
 
@SamyS.Rathore nah, "Bad" in Germanic languages means "Bath" - so often if you're looking for a toilet you'll find a door with a sign that just reads "Bad"
impossibru
hey stop upvoting my shit
 
Yeah, I stopped
Only works once
 
Morning all
 
7:13 AM
@Squiggle I sense that the village called Bad Ass in the Discworld series was making a witty joke along those lines
 
morning
 
I don't quite get it. The Ramtops were meant to be fantasy Austria/Switzerland, I think
Well, Lancre
 
:)
 
7:28 AM
Morning.
 
morning
asked that yesterday, but maybe today is a better day: Some of you told me that it'd be quite a good idea to use HTML5/jscript to develop a cross-platform (read: linux and windows compatible) application UI. What would I use there and does someone now a good tutorial about this?
 
@SteffenWinkler desktop app?
 
@Squiggle read: not in a webbrowser
 
@SteffenWinkler Just build a SPA and throw Electron at it.
 
but as an application that a user just starts
 
7:32 AM
Given that you're asking this, are you familiar with HTML5/JS?
 
@Squiggle not really no
 
so... Microsoft has this thing called UWP.
Universal Windows Platform, new with dotnet core - which is OS-agnostic. You could give that a go?
 
That won't work for UIs
 
It's just everytime I mention a WPF problem, half the room tells me to 'just use HTML5/jscript already'.
 
7:34 AM
haha yeah everything is geared toward HTML5-based development right now. What sort of application are you creating?
 
@Squiggle UWP doesn't work on Linux/mono AFAIK
 
no?
balls. I just assumed.
 
@Squiggle I've already created it. I now have a bunch of UI components (seperated in assemblies) that I'd like to re-do so that they can go multip-platform like the rest
 
muh... mono?
 
@Squiggle It doesn't even really run on Windows. From wikipedia: "UWP is a part of Windows 10 and Windows 10 Mobile. UWP apps do not run on earlier Windows versions."
It's complete bullshit
 
7:37 AM
ah. dotnet core is focussed on server-side portability
 
And even can't run in olds comp of W10 so..
 
@Squiggle mono as in the ported .NET Framework
 
yeah sorry ignore me
 
@Squiggle nah, for a moment I wasn't sure myself. Could've been that they ported it and I missed it.
 
HTML5/JS SPA is still the easiest solution for portability, IMO.
 
7:38 AM
@Squiggle do you have a good tutorial for that?
(one that doesn't teach me the wrong way ;))
 
it's my birthday
 
@SteffenWinkler That depends entirely on the underlying technologies you wish to use. Unlike WPF, where there is nothing to choose, HTML/JS is merely an accumulation of choices to create your own preferred stack to create awesome applications.
That said, WPF is not wrong.
There is no real reason to drop WPF if it works for you and you don't need other OS support.
 
@StevenLiekens happy birthday
 
@StevenLiekens <Happy>Birthday</Happy>
 
Good morning all
 
7:47 AM
My application sends email messages to users and the messages can have an attachment. The attachment is a byte array. The problem is that in the email the attached file has no extension... how can I send an attachment with an extension?
 
@SteffenWinkler happy Frid^H^H^H^HBirthday!
 
@StevenLiekens Congratulations!
 
@ErroreFatale file extensions are just part of the name of the file. Have you been working from an example?
 
@RoelvanUden .NET 4.5.2 and a 3rd party HTML5 control. As I've to do TWAIN stuff so I need it as an application not a website
 
@Squiggle ok... but how can I know which is the file extension when I only have a byte array?
 
7:50 AM
If in any way possible I'd also like to limit the HTML5 stuff to specific windows for now. So that I can open WPF/GTK3 windows and the HTML5 windows next to them
 
Should I mantain the file extension?
 
You're just asking for trouble if you mix WPF+HTML imho.
 
@RoelvanUden I don't need to really mix it. I just have a couple WPF windows inside the application that will take a long time to re-do. So I'd like to slowly introduce HTML5/jscript and phase out the WPF stuff
which means I'll take one Window at a time and replace it
if that's not possible with SPA/HTML5/jscript I'll have to figure out something else
if it's 'troublesome' I can make due
 
That means mixing my good man
 
7:57 AM
I'd say mixing woul mean putting a WPF control in a HTML5 thingi or vice versa, but ok
 
I'm sure it's possible. I'm not sure how.
 
in any case, do you know a tutorial for this? Because, as you might have guessed, I've 0 clue about it
 
I would just begin with SPA tutorials. Decide on something you want to use and go from there.
I don't know good ones tbh.
 
@RoelvanUden is AngularJS something okish or more on the troublesome side?
 
It's okay. Angular, Ember, React and Aurelia seem to be the common ones now.
I prefer React. But that's entirely an opinion.
 
8:04 AM
ah ok, thank's
 
@ErroreFatale so you don't know what the type of file you're handling is? That might be a problem...
 
@StevenLiekens happy birthday
good morning
 
@RoelvanUden did I miss something? I looked at two SPA tutorials now and both require me to set up a webserver and are basically just a ASP.NET page with AngularJS.
 
@SteffenWinkler A SPA is often used in combination with a web server, because they have to exchange data with a central place. Depending on the tutorial, that can be ASP.NET, PHP, etc. You don't need that at all. But you will need a web server serving your static files.
 
@RoelvanUden oh...then that is not for me.
 
8:13 AM
Why?
 
as I said, I need a desktop application as I need to interface with TWAIN drivers and the local filesystem
 
You won't need the web server outside of development.
I don't know about TWAIN, you can just access the local FS.
 
uh...let me rephrase that: If I click compile I need a .exe to pop out that can be executed without having network/internet access. And without any kind of local service running
(that's not entirely true but that best describes what I want)
 
That's exactly what Electron does for you.
Electron is a desktop GUI that just loads HTML/JS/CSS files in. It's really just a browser pretending to be a desktop GUI that also happens to have correct permissions to "serve" files to itself.
It's pretty much the same as Cordova really.
It's not a tutorial, but let me show you somewhat. I have this app github.com/Deathspike/mangarack/tree/master/… that runs in the browser (ease of development), can run on phones (Cordova), or on the desktop (Electron).
 
morning everyone
 
8:29 AM
@RoelvanUden there is no C# code at all in there, right?
 
It's.....
 
@SteffenWinkler None whatsoever.
 
interesting
with what do you open/edit that?
 
Atom or VSCode
 
8:32 AM
why the hell people tell other people that they can use 2400Mhz ram on a damn i5 4460? (facepalm) the damn thing only supports up to 1600Mhz, I dont understand why people like to mislead other folks
 
In theory, Visual Studio would work, but I hate the TS tools for VS.
 
well, thank you. You've been a tremendous help as mostly @RoelvanUden
 
thanks guys
 
@SteffenWinkler Let me know if I can give more details somehow. :)
@StevenLiekens ?
 
@Mr.Toxy 'oh well seems like your CPU is defective, here take this hands over newest i7 CPU available it's only completely overpriced price!'
it's also why people in other countries buy cars that can drive > 140 km/h while at the same time there is no legal place to drive it that fast
 
8:35 AM
well you will the that extra 5 fps in agmes.
can come in handy
 
@SteffenWinkler I got an i7 4790 only because of the features that provided and for my work its what I needed. But yeah people think that i7 are the titans of processors wich is not true for the most cases. Only gaming? go i5, editing, vms and other multi-threaded taks go i7 more cores, hyper-v and etc...
@Proxy you wont get +5fps thats not completely true, it always depends on the game if its optimized to use more threads and more cores but, in a general way for gaming an i5 will be exactly the same as an i7 and even sometimes will slightly outperform an i7. As today developers dont optimize the games for multi-thread or even to use more than 2 cores wich is a damn pitty
 
@Proxy 5 fps can be the difference between awsome and motion sick
 
@Mr.Toxy true but i have read that some games like the war earies utilize all the cores now
total war*
but post was mostly meant as a joke
the same thing is with smartphones
 
for example the i5 4690K would outperform an i7 4790, not because its OC but because it has better single core performance
 
@Mr.Toxy Multi-threaded programming is hard. Especially so in gaming contexts. It's not a matter of "Let's not do this", it's more a matter of "We don't have world class programmers here.". Skylake processors boast a feature especially to combat this, allow the processor to utilize more cores to accelerate a single thread.
Hence I have a 6th generation i5
 
8:40 AM
@RoelvanUden skylake was indeed a big jump imo, but the differences in some cases are negligeble like i7 4790 and 17 6700, they are the same
I think its stupid to develop games that are more CPU bounded
 
@RoelvanUden quick question when developing mangnarack how did you parse the html pages
 
like in CS that is totally CPU bounded I get 200+ constant FPS and in LoL i start at 400+ even to 500+ then it drops to 180+, wich is totally just using the CPU
 
xd i need to clean up my pc
somtime my fps drops below 40 in lol
 
I brought up the "If things do not change, I'm out"-discussion yesterday
 
@Mr.Toxy Not exactly. If you multi-thread them, they are really quite similar, that much is true. If a gen4 or a gen6 run an application that is optimized for a single or duo thread, then the gen6 will far outperform the gen4. So, running programming tools is far faster because they really don't do multi-threading at all, either. Similar to browsers, etc.
(Every browser page is single threaded)
@Proxy I get HTML markup through HTTP and load the document up into cheerio, which is like jQuery on the server. Then I just fire jQuery selectors on the resulting documents to extract bits and pieces.
 
8:45 AM
@RoelvanUden I just basing that on pure benchmarks, from what I've seen they are almost the same with slight advantages for the 6th gen
 
Pure benchmarks usually don't take these things into account.
Because people are stupid.
 
I recon that the gtx 1070 will outperform even a fury x :\ should have wait to get one instead of buying an r9 390
maybe the r9 can still get head to head with a 1070 who knows
 
The truly interesting bit, for me, is its VR performance.
Double the VR performance! I want one
 
I'm gonna get one next year
 
1080 benchamarks are just mental
 
8:47 AM
In January when the cost takes a dive
 
@Sippy wait for AMD...
 
Nah.
I don't like AMD stuff.
 
@RoelvanUden i see i was converting entire page to byte array and then filtering tags...
 
GTX is just way to overpriced
like it always has been
 
It's better
So..
 
8:48 AM
I dont think that
a 280x > 960
 
ok
 
390 > 970
 
I am having trouble with this algorithm and I don't know how to explain it to people to get help :/
 
I actually like AMD GPUS, but their CPU'S are bad. but I think ZEN will change that
they will introduce some really cool new tech and architecture
 
@Proxy That.. uhm.. not that useful. In C#, just use HtmlAgilityPack. I have MangaRack.cs still up on my GitHub if you need an example. It's C# (ugly C#, you have been warned)
 
8:52 AM
@RoelvanUden I still don't understand how to make electron/HTML5 stuff with my C# assemblies... :/
 
I've always had GTX cards and never any problem. So I am sticking to them
 
everything I find on that is how to use NodeJS/AngularJS
 
@RoelvanUden i didn't want to use any external library and wanted to write something on my own... in the end it was functional but you could only download/read mangas
 
@SteffenWinkler That's the whole point of me saying "Mixing them is bad.". Nothing was ever designed to mix HTML/JS with C#. You usually choose one or the other. I'm sure it can be done, somehow, but it'll involve your own web components embedded in C# to somehow interact.
 
@JakobMillah way overpriced imo
 
8:54 AM
@Proxy That's quite something though! You just have to very careful about parsing HTML, you need to make a DOM out of to get contextually correctly information. For future reference, always use a parser that turns HTML into a DOM :)
 
@RoelvanUden wait...everytime you told about HTML5/Jscript you WEREN'T talking only about the UI but not using C# at all!?
 
You can use C#. On the server.
 
@RoelvanUden which I don't want/have
 
Then there is no C#.
 
holy shit
but C# is live and love and everything?!
 
8:55 AM
@Mr.Toxy I don't know. I usually buy cards when they are on sale and usually lasts 2-3 years without a problem. So I am fine with buying one for 300-400 euro
 
I just hate that AMD bets on revamping cards instead of putting new tech in the market but... even an old 7870 can kick ass so, if they done it well they should stick with it. but they revamp too much
 
@Mr.Toxy they stopped doing that ever since GCN 1.1
 
@JakobMillah yeah, I bought my r9 390 for 379€ and couldn't be more happy
@SteffenWinkler doing what?
 
GCN 1.0 had some overlaps and was 'weird', GCN 1.1 and above are no 'revamps'
but different architectures
 
@SteffenWinkler No, it isn't. I always get the same reactions from colleagues. Like how C# is far superior to JS/TS. But it isn't. It really, really isn't. They are more similar that some are willing to admit. And if you use TS, it's far superior to C# now (non-nullables anyone?). JS/TS can do anything meaningful that C# can.
 
8:56 AM
@RoelvanUden it was working but the quality of code is something else :P
 
r9 390 is 290 revamp
same as all r9 series
 
@RoelvanUden HERESEY
 
they are just revamps
 
what is TS?
 
@Proxy :-D Keep an eye on MangaRack. I'm working towards mobile apps and desktop apps, open source and free of course, that can interface with a centralized library, too.
It will be fun once it's released.
@Proxy TS = TypeScript
 
8:58 AM
whats MagnaRack?
 
@RoelvanUden oh nice i suppose your working with some kind of javascript framework since you target all platforms now?
 
@Proxy Typescript
 
It's also a very nice open API that you can use for your own manga-related apps!
 
I burned my tongue again
T.T
f you coffee gods
 
@Proxy Not exactly. I'm using NodeJS for the daemon, Electron for the desktop app, Cordova for the mobile app, and all of it running on the same source. IoC for 'services' that aren't native JS :P
 
9:01 AM
@RoelvanUden oh i see that's cool
 
@Mr.Toxy ...because they're both GCN 1.1. R9 390 has higher Mhz and more memory IIRC.
 
@SteffenWinkler yeah nano and fury are brand new tech. but I was expecting more any ways, they were kinda short for all the hpye :\
 
@Proxy So essentially all the modules flagged as 'component' are environment agnostic and talk through 'service' APIs to do things outside of their capabilities (for example, doing a HTTP call, because that's different on each environment). Then each environment has their own runtime that implements these services.
 
@RoelvanUden do you have any experience with electron-edge? github.com/kexplo/electron-edge
but I guess that means no HTML5 stuff for me^^
I always thought you guys were using HTML5/jscript as a replacement for XAML/WPF
not the entire framework
 
@RoelvanUden man you really like to work on stuff :O your github is amazing with all the projects
 
9:07 AM
@SteffenWinkler Oh I haven't seen it! Might be cool!
 
@RoelvanUden cool projects indeed
 
@SteffenWinkler But we are. Pretty much. WPF is just a UI. So is HTML/JS. :D
 
congrats
 
Haha, thanks @Proxy @Mr.Toxy
 
I will start to do some work on this gearman.org
that has some real potential imo
 
9:10 AM
@RoelvanUden yeah but you are throwing your entire businesslogic in there as well with JS. Or you use a web server.
And if you are using a webserver, to be honest, I don'T get why you won't just use ASP.NET
 
mybe he likes js more :D
 
seems that way
 
isnt js dead already ?
 
@Mr.Toxy one would think hope, right?
 
yup XD
 
9:12 AM
imho language does not matter anyway nowdays for most part.
 
theres so much choice
 
hmmm yeah
 
@Proxy implying that jscript is a language and not just gibberish ;)
 
there are also new languages coming in the scene as well
 
joke aside today i would say its the most desired one
 
9:13 AM
Signal R
is that framework or language
 
that's like saying the Russian dictionary contains more words than 'RUSH B' and 'CYKA BLYAT'
 
today you can build anything and anywhere with it
 
omg
I just had to write a character literal in VB
What the fuck is that syntax
 
vb6 on windows 10
 
@SteffenWinkler I am, and why shouldn't I be? My entire stack there is TypeScript, so of course, the business logic is in TypeScript too. The server component is TypeScript, and the client component is TypeScript. What possible reason would I have to use ASP.NET and incur the awkward language differences and environment setup that my users would have to do? There is no reason to use ASP.NET/C# there.. so I don't.
 
9:14 AM
@Ggalla1779 just...no.
@RoelvanUden I'm bantering. Don't take me serious ;)
just a little bit sad that the promised land isn't what I thought it would be :P
 
That said, C# has some things that TS doesn't. Like COM interop and expression trees. On the other hand, TS has some things C# don't. Like actual cross-platform compatibility (and not saying you are) and non-nullables.
It's just a small adjustment, C#, LET IT GOOOO, LET IT GOOOO!
(Or use it on the server like how I often still do with SPAs)
 
Like COM interop OH MY GOD PLEASE STOP MAKE IT GO AWAY AAARGH THE FLASHBACKS ARE COMING
 
ASP.NET + WebAPI + EntityFramework + OData is a really powerful server API.
That you can consume from your client app :3
 
we should all learn panini for sake of this chat
 
@Ggalla1779 framework, at best.
 
9:19 AM
interesting...I'm getting upvotes on a question that is half a year old and doesn't have an answer.
3 upvotes during the past 7 days
that's not that much for most but for me it's curious
or at least noteworthy
seems like a bunch of people are now switching to VS2k15 for whatever reason
 
VS2015 is fine
 
@Mr.Toxy eh, I've encountered a few things that are quite annoying
for one VS2k15 loves to freeze up at least four times per week
for no particular reason.
 
oh yeah there are some annoying things, but I like it for the most part and I really enjoy some of its features
 
that yes.
 
@SteffenWinkler never happened to me, but its a pain in the ass when it happens
 
9:23 AM
and a particular issue I encountered shortly after switching to it is still unsolved for me (though I do not use or need that feature currently)
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Q: Unable to use diagnostic tools while remote debugging

Steffen WinklerI'm facing an issue where I'm unable to use the diagnostic tool(s) during remote debugging. If I start my program on my local machine, everything is fine. After making sure that my domain user has debug permission on the target machine (configured in the remote debugging tool) I attached my Visu...

 
community edition is mighty fine
 
I'm working with the enterprise edition right now and I really like the package
 
prob switching cos of xamarin
 
@Mr.Toxy same here I loved that they combined the highest two editions into one (we were on professional before). Got some nice features through that
 
Xamarin is totally free now, isn't it? Or are there still costs attached?
 
9:25 AM
@RoelvanUden if you've a VS license Xamarin is free AFAIK
 
:O you are using it with german lanugage? strange i would have bet that most people are always on english
 
@SteffenWinkler yeah the debu features are awesome imo, and some other cool stuff. for the most part I think its damn fine piece of software. but it has stupid buggs but they are easily overcome
 
> which is free for individual developers, open source projects, academic research, education, and small professional teams.
It's not free if you're with 5+ developers.
 
@Proxy yeah I am. I don't know why, though. I used the english install disk but when I opened it, it was german >.<
I think that had something to do with the fact that my Office installation is german as well, but I'm not entirely sure
 
@SteffenWinkler maybe your system is on german?
 
9:27 AM
@Proxy it is, but I was able to install previous versions in english
 
I dunno if its true but someone has said to me that there is a better replacement for VS (a custom one) out there
 
@SteffenWinkler dunno it's just a bit strange to see on a non english language... but i guess you get used with time. I always find it weird when a program has croatian interface
 
@Mr.Toxy maybe this jetbrains.com/rider
 
@SteffenWinkler Yes Xamarin is now part of VS and free
 
hmm I think it was something like matrix or a name like that cant remember
 
9:28 AM
@Proxy heh. Yeah it's really annoying when I've to describe where a specific option is. You've to translate everything to the exact term or else the other guy can'T find it
 
JetBrains does look cool
 
:P
 
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Q: Is Xamarin free in Visual Studio 2015?

GinoBambinoCurrently I explore the Visual Studio 2015 RC and realized that Xamarin Studio is integrated into Visual Studio and its installer. My Question is: Is Xamarin from now on free in Visual Studio?

 
@Ggalla1779 read the comments on the accepted answer though. Apparently it's a shit-show.
 
9:33 AM
hmm early integration days
 
Looks like you just need to buy VS to get Xamarin.
For semi-large teams, that is.
I'll stick to Cordova for now, anyway.
I just hope my team doesn't want to drop Cordova because Xamarin. That'd be really depressing.
 
@RoelvanUden it depends but I dont think that you actually need to buy it
 
Nah, but you need VS then
Which, honestly, isn't strictly necessary anymore either.
 
Xamarin is free in Community too
 
I was referring to the "For semi-large teams"
 
9:43 AM
is it xamarin starter, or full xamarin?
 
full I think
 
I doubt that
 
> We have announced that Visual Studio now includes Xamarin at no extra cost, including Community Edition, which is free for individual developers, open source projects, academic research, education, and small professional teams.
 
yeah me too but I dont think they would just roll out with the basic version either
 
It should be full.
 
9:45 AM
^
 
yeah it's the full edition
 
The whole point is that it is tied into VS. It's the full edition. But, VS Community is not free if you have a team that is larger than 5 developers.
 
5 developers is not a team
 
Thus, you need to buy VS to use Xamarin if you have more than 5 devs.
 
XD
 
9:46 AM
shrug
 
buy enterprise edition
 
We're with 4 developers here currently.
 
5 developers is a team wtf
what a dumb thing to say
 
I've even put the "XD"
so it would be clearly understood as "not a true thing"
 
9:47 AM
err a teams a team it could be 2 guys
 
even 3 people are a team
I dont fucking understand why they have 4 connection strings for the same thing
just why?
just use one jesus
 
@Mr.Toxy You have to write "Kappa" afterwards
 

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