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2:17 AM
Hello world !
 
 
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4:46 AM
shiiiiiit, we thursday now
 
What's that?
 
@BenjaminDiele every day this week, there's been something about the day of week in the starboard.
 
and that's how it should be. Every day is mui importante hombre!
That, and since I'm often the first one to talk here, it's kinda lame to say "hullo" to an empty room :D
 
5:46 AM
Good morning.
 
@Gotalove morning there!
 
Very good morning to you Benjy
Have you ever worked with android or authentication in sharepoint by any chance
 
Haha, no I haven't. I did some android programming years ago, but I'm afraid a tutorial can tell you more than I can.
And sharepoint, brrr. No experience there
 
alright
since I joined this new job its been reading tuts and very little coding.Am not sure at what point am gona break through and start being an asset.It sucks not being able to do anything just yet
 
6:03 AM
Eh, that comes with being new. You'll get there, no worries :)
 
Good morning :)
 
Morgen!
 
Last day today :)
 
Before your holiday? Or at your current job?
 
Holiday, it's not that bad :)
 
6:35 AM
hey Good Morning all :D
i have problem with devexpress
any one know that
its about filtering GridControl
 
7:14 AM
Woow! A new caffeine machine in the workplace.
(inclusive hot chocolate)
 
7:25 AM
Those are awesome, we have one here too.
It's like a magical machine that poops coffee
 
It's very liquid poop then :p
But we already have one, but it's a new one
And they are also moving support upstairs
Today is like the day of changes here..
 
They might even change your office to one outside, next to the parking lot
 
Ooh shiiiit. That would be awesome if it the weather is good :)
 
8:17 AM
How can I bind a command from a childviewmodel to mainview?
 
8:36 AM
At least they'll let him keep his stapler
 
Does anybody have an example of how to bind the MainViewModel to a ChildView?
 
@Squiggle Did you take his stapler?
 
my stapler now
 
9:08 AM
I don't even have a stapler at this desk...
Or I've never seen one..
 
wutup
 
o/ stippo
 
10:01 AM
You know it's going to be a fun day when you boot up Visio
 
Good morning, chaps. A good day it is for computer science
 
Hi Guys :D
 
10:18 AM
'lo @MoonOwlPrince, @SebastianL
 
@Squiggle Having lots of documentation fun?
 
guys how do you add third party dlls into visual studio 2012?
 
@FrancescoDS ?
What does that mean?
You want to load a 3p DLL with VS?
Or you want to ref one in a project?
 
I've added a 3p DLL in my Visual Studio C# project
 
What do you mean by added
 
10:21 AM
I have it inside Solution Items
 
@Sippy no.
 
ok ..
 
I can't concurrent in swimlanes and it my brain makes hurt.
 
@Squiggle :D
@Squiggle wat
I dunno wat you're talking about.
wat is docs
 
BPMN!
 
10:22 AM
when I create the setup with InstallShield, the dll is copied inside the appfolder
 
Business Process Modelling Notation in Visio 2010
 
@FrancescoDS Can you ask a specific question that we can actually answer
Take your time and think about what you need to know
 
Sippy, do you mean on SO?
 
And use the right words :P
No.
But you've asked some vague questions and given some vague info and now you're talking about installshield and I have no idea what you want to achieve.
 
Ok I try to be more clear
 
10:26 AM
Tried suggesting a live web chat for content team and dev team to converse with
PM said just use TFS tickets
gg
 
I would like to distribute my application, that uses a third party dll of another software installed on my machine. That dll is included inside Solution Items of my VS2012 project, and it points to the right path. I've created the InstallShield project related and I've installed the application on my machine but, when I run it, it gives me errors of compatibility between the dll and other dlls present in third party application folder.
 
hey there, what kind of setting could be responsible for the fact that our http response seems to be cut off at a random number of chars? the header response is fine. we assumed our HttpClient.MaxResponseContentBufferSize value is not correct but it is already int32.maxint
 
I suppose that the error depends on the fact that the installer copies the third party dll inside app folder
and not uses the one present in its original folder (the third party software)
 
@Otanaught Is this an IIS question?
 
@Squiggle no
 
10:40 AM
WCF?
WebAPI?
What are you using to diagnose this? If it's WCF, have you enabled tracing?
moar infoz pl0x
 
@Squiggle: could you be more specific what you want to know? is your question what exactly is serving the api response?
 
Yes.
 
ah ok, its our own api build using nginx, php, java rest services. the serving is fine as the api is used in other parts and we verified that the service or api doesnt cut off the data
 
so your issue is that when consuming an API that is proven to work, the response you're receiving is being cut off?
 
thats why i am now looking at the consuming, c# side. and i simply dont have a clue what could cause this as we are using flurl but that simply issues a ReadAsStringAsync on the response content github.com/tmenier/Flurl/blob/master/Flurl.Http.Shared/…
yes correct Squiggle
 
10:44 AM
:)
 
and its seems to be always cut off at about 12.000 to 13.000 chars
 
impatient code. Looks like one SO question was solved by using using to make sure the lifecycle of the readers isn't interrupted...?
1
Q: HTTPWebResponse Response string is truncated

Bob CleggApp is talking to a REST service. Fiddler shows full good XML response coming in as the Apps response The App is in French Polynesia and an identical copy in NZ works so the prime suspect seemed encoding but we have checked that out and came up empty handed. Looking at the output string (UTF8 en...

I'm not quite sure how that would translate to your async code, but it sounds like that's what is happening
something about the response handler being prematurely disposed
 
yep
sounds like the response is getting disposed before ReadAsStringAsync completes
 
hmm
 
I got a question: What is the best approach for binding a command from childviewmodel to button on MainWindow (RibbonButton)
 
11:01 AM
well its worth a try, lets see
wrapping the code with using calls doesnt help hmpf
also interesting is that the response seems to add a content length but the api doesnt seem to send one maybe thats the conflict
 
@FadeD ChildVM.Command?
If ChildVM is the property in your MainVM that references that childVM
 
@Loetn perfect! but.. what if I don't initialize the childviewmodel on the MainViewModel?
how can I do it then?
 
Then it isn't a childvm? :)
Hmm, You can set the datacontext of the control to the childvm
 
I got this: <ContentPresenter Grid.Row="1" Content="{Binding CurrentView}"/>
CurrentView gets updated when I click a button on the ribbon
        public void OpenView(object view)
        {
            var v = CastToEnum<ViewsEnum>(view);
            switch (v)
            {
                case ViewsEnum.TicketOverzicht:
                    CurrentView = new KlantenView(KlantenVM);
                    break;
                case ViewsEnum.KlantenOverzicht:

                    break;
            }
        }
that is the method for opening a different view
 
And the ctor of KlantenView contains Datacontext = KlantenVM?
 
11:08 AM
yes
 
And it doesn't work?
 
it does
but I want to achieve it without sending an instance of the KlantenVM
to the view
 
And you don't have a property on your mainvm?
Or where is KlantenVM instantiated?
 
I don't want to create an instance of KlantenVM in the MainViewModel
 
You've to create one somewhere :)
 
11:10 AM
yeah what if I create it in the constructor of the KlantenView?
can I still use it's commands in the MainView?
 
If the datacontext of the button is set to KlantenVM, yes
But if the button is part of MainView, then no
 
there is the answer
it is not possible to use commands from a ViewModel when the instance is not part of the DataContext of the View, correct?
 
Yes
 
awesome!
thanks
 
Because the control can't know where to get the binding from
 
11:12 AM
indeed!
 
But you do have RelativeResource
 
how does that work?
 
But then the source has to be initialized before the RelativeResource binding
{Binding DataContext, RelativeSource={RelativeSource AncestorType={x:Type UserControl}}}
If you use this, the Datacontext is retrieved from the parent that has type UserControl
But I think this will throw an error in your example
 
yeah but if KlantenVM is not initialized on the parent then it is useless?
 
I think so, but I'm not sure, that always confuses me
You can try it :)
If MainVM is datacontext of your window
 
11:15 AM
MainVM is the datacontext of the MainView not KlantenView
KlantenVM is the datacontext of the KlantenView
 
It wouldn't work
 
Loud and clear! :)
thanks!
 
But if it isn't a problem you should just create an instance of KlantenVM in your childview
 
it will be a problem... On the KlantenView I have a listview with Tickets. if I select a ticket I want to click a ribbonbutton which has a command EditTicketCommand. That command is bound to the KlantenVM.EditTicketCommand
so I have to instantiate the KlantenVM on the MainVM
otherwise its a no-go
 
Yes, that's the easiest way
 
11:19 AM
:)
 
Hey party people!
 
Sorry, party in +- 2h36 :)
 
Ouch :/
 
Naah, holiday :)
 
sweet!
Anybody doing asp.net 5 / vNext projects?
Having an issue i cannot wrap my head around.
 
11:44 AM
can i use WCF services as utility class as well ?
I can but is it okay to use ?
 
@PleaseTeach What do you mean by utility classes here?
 
@PleaseTeach do you mean just instantiating a service instance in code and calling its methods?
 
12:03 PM
hey guys I've found the problem about my previous question
it seems that the copied dll is not valid for the application
infact, if I remove it, everything works because the path of dll is present in Path
 
hmpf the issue is maddening
 
but how to avoid that the dll is copied into my application installation folder with InstallShield?
 
@Otanaught what did you try?
sounds like a right pain
 
Squiggle: tried to wrap the calls with using, tried to read the stream instead of using ReadAsStringAsync, tested the api using curl and chrome postman (both works)
now we are trying to isolate if its Flurl or the C# httpClient
totally clueless where the issue comes from
 
12:20 PM
Any of you guys play Ingress?
 
ah at least it seems its Flurl related
 
@TomW yes
 
@Otanaught so it works with the standard libraries?
 
yep, but afaik flurl still uses the c# httpclient for its requests
 
12:40 PM
smells like some side-effect of async.
Resp
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@KendallFrey stop hating Java
 
@PleaseTeach Oh, am I supposed to stop breathing too?
 
ok narrowed it down @Squiggle the error is somewhere in this class github.com/tmenier/Flurl/blob/master/Flurl.Http.Shared/… we are not creating our own and start debugging
 
12:59 PM
@KendallFrey nah, but you need to stop eating bacon
omg srsly, ms paint took 5 mins to start... photoshop, now you won the grand slam
 
5 minutes? holy moly
 
@PleaseTeach I think hating on Java should be one of the primary duties of this room...
 
1:15 PM
@CuddleBunny where C#'s idea really came from - do you know :P
 
@PleaseTeach This is true but my co-worker explained why it is OK to hate.
 
@KendallFrey No one can enforce themself to stop breathing :P
brb
 
@PleaseTeach No one can force themself to stop hating Java.
 
Something about Microsoft copying Java. Then Sun (or Oracle) saw this and was all like "Awww hell naw. Get ur own stuff n00b" then Microsoft being like "well then. Be like that" Then they looked at Java and was like "well what do they do wrong?" And proceded to rewrite Java while removing all the inconsistent hack job BS that happened when you had so many people developing so many libraries for it, standardizing everything. Adding a bunch of things, etc.
 
Griffin you nailed it :D
 
1:27 PM
@Gotalove In school I was taught Java and the instructor was just like "Yeah so we'll be using JavaFx8. This is the first time we've used JavaFX; normally we just teach Spring but we found that it's confusing in what everything is named, unpredictable, and doesn't work well. We hope JavaFx is the future. It's just better"
Never played with Spring but after seeing the StackOverflow answers it seemed... funky.
 
@PleaseTeach Exactly, it is evolution.
@Griffin I didn't think spring was that awful, but Java with Spring was the very first programming I learned so I don't remember a thing.
 
@CuddleBunny Don't get me wrong. It's powerful, broad, and damn good at what it does or it wouldn't be used as much as this. But how things are named. The way you create things, and other stuff like that made it very very confusing.
 
Yeah, from what I remember I would probably liken it to Flash without the IDE.
 
@CuddleBunny Never programmed in flash. But just from my experiences using flash products ..... I'd hate myself for expecting people to use it.
 
I use Flash at my daily job still and if Adobe's software wasn't so buggy and slow it wouldn't be so bad.
It is quite a bit easier to animate things than in something like Blend...
 
1:43 PM
@CuddleBunny I don't know. It could be great but that buggy and slow are why I couldn't handle it.
@CuddleBunny And the updates.
 
Adobe suite is quite powerful though if it is buggy then its still tolerable
 
I started using Flash at version 10 and the updates have never broken my code since then. Adobe software in general just isn't up to par with Visual Studio/Blend/Office/etc
 
Another problem with Java. Once you give in and update. EVERYTHING BREAKS.
@CuddleBunny Photoshop and stuff is more fine.
 
What's Blend like these days? I haven't used it since the first launch of Expression Web.
 
Blend 2015 is AWESOME
 
1:46 PM
a copy of which I won in a tombola at a Microsoft Dev Day
 
I never liked older Blend
 
yeah? :)
I should get me a copy
 
yeah, you can do a lot of responsive design stuff in it
without code
 
nice
 
how can I update a CollectionViewSource by selecteditem in Listbox?
 
looking much better than it was in 2008.
oh wait no that was 2009
 
since they are tailoring Blend to design and letting people use it for WinJS apps, I am hoping they turn it into a full fledged reboot of MS Frontpage
because Blend could be the awesome that Frontpage never was
 
DO NOT SAY THAT WORD
agh you said it again
 
lol
 
Word 2007
File > Save As > Web Page
"I'M A WEB DEVELOEPR!"
 
1:54 PM
DEVLOPER*
 
@Jeremy yeah I'm still alive, parked that project up after I finished college in June
haven't had much time to develop atm
doing some part time work before I travel
 
@Sippy no ur devloper
 
@Squiggle i am devloper
 

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