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12:00 AM
cheers Mehrad.
I write all my code after the letherman approach
Person.cs
AddPErson
UpdatePerson
AddPersonCreateNewCategory()
AddPersonAndGivePersonKid()
AddPesronShutDownInterweb()
AddPersonGetRaise()
 
12:26 AM
@RyanTernier, could you comment on the letherman approach
sounds interesting
I tried to Google it but couldn't find any results which make sense in this concept
 
12:39 AM
leathermann approach... i was being sarcastic ;)
 
Oh... :D I am not English so I don't get the inside jokes sometimes
 
 
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4:08 AM
Hi !
sorry for this noobie question^^ but can anyone teach me how can this answer be implemented and see result?
http://stackoverflow.com/a/4634505/2522558
i want to get all sln included project names
 
 
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5:25 AM
hi everyone, Diff between Com Heap vs Process Heap ??
 
 
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8:08 AM
I was wondering on one point..
I studied c# syntax and framework fundamentals, but there is also WF, WCF, WPF, Silverlight, Windows Form, JS, ASP.NET WebForms and MVC, Xaml, XML, XSLT, JQuery, Bootstrap, and the list is pretty infinite...
I was looking at this Bootstrap piece of code:

<div class=”modal fade” id=”sentDialog” tabindex=”-1”>
<div class=”moda1-dialog>
<div class=”modal-content”>
<div class=”modal-header”>
<h4>Thanks for clicking</h4>
</div>
<div class=”modal-body”>
<p>This form doesn’t really work.. .haha</p>
</div>
<div class=”modal-footer”>
<button class=”btn btn—success”>Close</button>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
Of course it asks the user to give up with a lot of flexibility
but we can achieve to do a modal popup in a short time with a good learning curve
My question is: "given the speed at which technology are changing" the fact that company DON'T want to invest money in developer's formation and so on
can we really afford to choose the maximum flexibility? do we really need it?
or the next developement language should go in the direction of having a modal popup with a single html element?
<modal_popup fade="yes"><title><body><footer></modal_popup>
in other words...
what is the pro of using an element called "div" or "article" or "li" when the semantic correct name for that element is: "modal popup", "navbar" and so on?
 
@Revious That's a bad company, then. A good company will invest in the developers, to make them learn, keep up, and continuously strive to deliver higher quality code. We can afford to pick maximum flexibility, even if we use larger frameworks, they should be so hackable so that we have the flexibility (and usually we use open-source, so this is the case). Simplifying is good, but you don't want magical components that you can't fix when they break down (and they undoubtedly will).
 
8:24 AM
@RoelvanUden: of course not magical component that we can't fix. But why not magical component that we can fix?
 
@Revious Legacy and styles are the reasons. Older browsers won't understand <navBar> and won't style it at all, completely breaking your site. In an ideal world where we could use everything we want, it might make sense to start abandoning <div> and so forth.
 
nice!!!!
 
@Revious Because of complexity, usually. If you take something like Ionic, the complexity of the UI components alone is so high that you need to intimately familiar with the entire project to make trivial changes or solve bugs. Components that do a lot of cool things for you is good, so long as it's still logical and you don't have to spend ages to learn component_x, component_y and component_z to fix a little bug.
 
what is Ionic in short? (I've opened the homepage but it only says it's a The beautiful, open source front-end SDK for developing hybrid mobile apps with HTML5)
 
An angular-based UI toolkit for building HTML5/CSS mobile hybrid apps (with PhoneGap for example). You need to learn all of the aforementioned technologies intimately (including quirks on every type of mobile OS and browser type) to actual solve something in Ionic :P
 
8:35 AM
:O
how can you know all this stuff?
wow
I'd like also to ask you a question..
 
Urk.. 11 years of programming day-in, day-out (day and night) experience :-D
It's both work and hobby. o_o
 
:D
I think that the success of an IT company is not related to how good are the ideas..
but on how good is the organization and the skills of the people who make it
I look at twitter and I see bootstrap
Look at google and I see AngularJS
look at Microsoft and I see Asp.NET MVC
but even more.. I look at fb and I see a very usable and cool website
 
Hm, I think that's incorrect. Nobody cares if you achieve technology perfection and put out a product that is utterly useless or has an intended audience of nil. Only developers see the aforementioned products because these companies did things for "regular users" and become big and powerful like that. :D
 
yes!! I completely agree. See my last sentence.
 
I'll not debate on the usability of FB. It's to become a religious war :P
 
8:40 AM
:D
ok, I go to the point
I've a website which is shitty (can I show you?) and I tried to get a coder on GetACoder to improve it
but I got very bad developers :(
I also don't know how to estimate the amount of work which would require to make it really cool
what I'm sure is that if I would take 10 hour a specialized developer would do the same functionality in 15 minutes
can I ask your opinion on that?
 
Sure, if it doesn't take too long away from my work, I'll take a look.
(Note that 'rent a coder'-stuff is filled with people just grabbing for moneys)
 
yes :(
the site is hyperreview.com it won't take long to realize that it's shitty...
the backend is almost unexistent
 
@Revious From a users perspective, if you hammer it all into the same style, it's rather nice.
Can't really tell you more than that; what you want to be is up to you :P
 
8:58 AM
thanks!
I'd like to find someone to completely redesign it from scratch but I have no idea of how many hours it could require
including the back end
 
Well, 40+ at least. It's probably a better idea to split it into 3 tasks; one person has to design the web site appearance (think about responsive), one person has to make functional HTML/CSS which translates the web site design to an actual web site, then you need one to use the templates and create a functional back-end.
Usually, someone good in design sucks in back-end and vice versa etc.
 
9:19 AM
interesting..
let's say it takes 60 hours, do you think someone good would do it for 15€/hour?
(assuming that of course no one is paying taxes :D)
 
Probably not (unless he's good and from a CHEAAAAAP country)
 
with that rate you are asking for bad coders
 
in normal country which could be a "fair" pricing for hour?
@Rovak the problem is also to find a good coder..
I was thinking of asking him to make a continuous delivery
 
I wouldn't even bother for less than 40eu/hour on freelance projects.
You probably have to aim around 50-60 though. It's expensive, sure, but quality is expensive.
Or y'know, do it yourself, which is TONS more fun anyway! If you suck at design, outsource that and do the conversion into HTML/CSS and a back-end yourself :-)
 
the problem of this website is that they are paying back money in years...
in 10 years it gave me 20000€
 
9:25 AM
Eh? Website pays you?
 
of course
 
ads i guess?
 
yes
 
Oh, I blocked ads, didn't see any.
(Yep I'm scum for blocking ad revenue; deal with it)
 
:D
 
9:27 AM
i guess you are not clicking on them anyways, so websites are not getting payed for visitors like you?
 
the problem is:
1) I could earn 20K in 10 years
2) I should pay at least 3500€ immediately to get this chance
 
So you really get ~160eu/month for a small site like that eh?
I should make sites..
 
@Rovak: yes, websites like ultradumb visitors
if you get interested in a collaboration let me know :D
I've stopped updating the website years ago and it's still paying...
(less of course)
 
If I'd do a site it would be aligned with my interests; not boringwood movies.
 
yes, that's a good point..
 
9:30 AM
i made a calendar website once, the only thing it did was scraping google calendar events and show it in different languages
i got around 20k visitors which gave around 30 euros a month
if you checkout dekunder.nl/informatie-over-onze-webconcepten and look at the visitor numbers, you do the math
 
Lol! Weird. Also, you work there?
Or is that just yours?
 
It's not mine, i tried to copy it
 
Ahaha I see :-)
 
i'm trying some new stuff now, like airport parking
my personal project is now roboflow.io, which is a mix between zapier, iftt and wappwolf
 
Looks nice, though nothing about what it is. :P
I killed off all my websites :-/
 
9:37 AM
Morning. I know this isn't the WPF room but I also know a lot of you know WPF :) Well, XAML. I can't test this as I'm on a PC without VS or I would do this myself. Assume I have a View, with a TextBox and a button, and a Viewmodel (MVVM). If I type into my TextBox and then click on the button, has my TextBox lost focus (in regards to Binding MyText, UpdateSourceTrigger=LostFocus
 
@Dave Jup.
 
and which is executed first? The lost focus of the textbox or the 'onclick' equivelant of the button
 
Anyone knows how to get this value .........
I wanted to get IssueTitle
 
Cast it to a KeyListPair maybe?
 
@Dave input lost focus first, then the button focus, then button click.
 
9:38 AM
hmmmm. Thanks @RoelvanUden, sadly, this is not occuring in this order for me
 
@Dave Huh? How come?
 
I already asked a question on SO stackoverflow.com/questions/27183471/… but I thought I'd ask here
Basically, what you've said is what I also experience
and therefore expect
but on this new project, it isn't occurring this way and I'm very lost as to why!
 
@RoelvanUden @Dave any idea about my question?
 
I said, @TechGuy, can't you cast it?
 
@Dave Er, set your mode to TwoWay and magic ensues.
 
9:41 AM
I did that
and it made no difference :(
@TechGuy something like KeyValuePair<string, string> kvp = (KeyValuePair<string,string>)e.Parameter;
 
@Dave Odd! If you're still around tonight, ping me so I can try this out at home. Can't play with this at work :P
(I will forget otherwise, 100% guaranteed)
 
I'm happy to send you the project, but, you'll probably laugh so much at my code you'll never get to sleep :D
he he
yes, I'm terrible with my memory too. Odd though, I can remember everything on a guitar
 
General question: Why does my brain freeze when I use the light theme on VS
 
@Meraj99 Get a refund on that brain. :)
It's faulty.
 
But I don't wanna learn everything again :(
The light theme is also too bright for my eyes. AAAAAAAH
 
9:59 AM
Rather, the contrast of developing a light web site and the dark IDE theme is a killer on me. If you work on like, CLI applications, when you can make everything dark, THEN I understand it would work. Otherwise, def. no.
 
blue text on white is also terrible
 
 
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1:35 PM
"The last message was posted 4 hours ago." C C C COMBO BREAKER
 
wat
 
@RoelvanUden
 
@user3419311
 
@Sippy
 
faku
!!!!!!
!!live
 
1:38 PM
@Sippy I'm afraid I can't let you do that, Sippy
 
The following errors occurred while attempting to load the app.
- No assembly found containing an OwinStartupAttribute.
- The given type or method 'true' was not found. Try specifying the Assembly.
To disable OWIN startup discovery, add the appSetting owin:AutomaticAppStartup with a value of "false" in your web.config.
To specify the OWIN startup Assembly, Class, or Method, add the appSetting owin:AppStartup with the fully qualified startup class or configuration method name in your web.config.
 
!!are you alive?
 
@Sippy Definitely
 
Well sweet.
@user3419311
Ooo can someone RO me please.
 
@Sippy RO?
 
1:38 PM
Room Owner :D
@user3419311
plz stop pinging me with no message
 
And the other one, please
 
:D
 
iam getting follwin error disable OWIN startup discovery in web.config
 
1:40 PM
 
Yaaay
@user3419311 The thing you pasted in here literally tells you what to do
You copied us in on your solution, go try it.
 
Don't abuse yaddayaddaya, etc, etc. Starring so everyone knows :-P
 
@RoelvanUden kindle will remove me T_T
 
how to resolve the above error
 
cos he nerd
 
1:42 PM
@Sippy
today afternoon onwards i struck this error
 
room topic changed to C#: Monkey business! Read this: csharpchat.com [.net] [asp.net] [asp.net-mvc] [c#] [entity-framework] [linq] [visual-studio] [wcf] [wpf]
 
plz guide me
how can i fix this issue
 
^ Please read the rules first.
 
I assume kick-mute is the same as ban?
 
hi guys !
 
1:46 PM
I guess. I don't know, don't be hasty though; he might read the rules now that they are back (who da fak deletez rulez meng)
 
I've never seen anyone get kick-muted, so I'm gonna just not use that. :D
 
Quick, is it possible to run a program before any test run in VS? Should run once, regardless of how many tests or assemblies are being run.
 
2:05 PM
@RoelvanUden ^
 
2:16 PM
@Sippy lol, I almost added you a few days ago
 
@KendallFrey lolol
 
ur regualr nao sipy
 
yey
 
This week went by fast, it's Friday
 
Same here, I didn't work Monday or Tuesday though
Feels like a tuesday for me lol
 
2:18 PM
Well, either the week went by fast, or it went by so slow I don't remember the first half
I suspect it may be the latter
 
wer u drank agin kindel
 
No, I just can't remember more than 2 days back
When someone asks me what I did yesterday, I usually have to think for a minute
 
Lol
I would have to think if someone asked me what I did this morning
The only thing I can say straight away is "I waited for people to get back to me."
Cos that happens every day.
 
@Sippy i hate this so much ^^ someone is asking me to do something and i need some info from someone else and then i get yelled at because i was too slow to get the required info ...
 
ah so you are working with assholes?
 
2:29 PM
@Rovak /idiots
@SebastianL I've given up chasing people lol
Been waiting for a guy to send me a file so I can build him a parser for it for like a week and a half
Not sure why it falls to me to chase him
 
@Sippy In your spare time, write an email pinger that pings someone every 5 minutes
 
@KendallFrey That's actually not a bad idea. I get the feeling people would start hating me for it though.
 
well yeah
 
I could probably do without being hated by the people who provide me with work, they cause me enough problems just by existing.
 
3:10 PM
@KendallFrey i think i'll do this for getting some of my coworkers to react faster ^^
 
4:08 PM
Lol
Fucking guy
I emailed him this morning saying please call me so we can discuss pushing this project to production
And he emailed back 5 minutes ago saying "Thanks."
/slapabitch
 
4:48 PM
Can someone check this? http://pastebin.com/fK1kkRfy
I get this error when I try to compile:
cannot convert from 'System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlCollection' to 'System.Windows.Forms.Form.ControlCollection'
 
@Sippy I wish I wasn't able to move forward with my work. Then I can blame someone else for poor productivity while at the same time doing fun things
@EckV That's pretty straightforward, you're passing the wrong type of object
 
changing to this worked: "DisableBox((Form.ControlCollection)groupBox1.Controls);"
 
Are you sure?
 
Shouldn't they be same? I mean Form.CC is inheriting from Control.CC
 
Better run it before you decide
 
4:51 PM
I'm pretty sure, I just solved it by adding that cast
 
Does it work when you run it?
 
Also Resharper is saying "Form." redundant
 
Because if it does, you probably ended up on the lucky end of an implementation detail
 
@KendallFrey I was debating trying to find a USB rocket launcher on Amazon.
 
Yes it compiled but it doesn't work
 
4:52 PM
Told ya
Why not change your method to accept the right type?
 
:D it says InvalidCastException
How do I do that?
 
Change the parameter
 
OK I changed it to this: "public void DisableBox(Control.ControlCollection container)"
now it works (tested it)
Ooooh it makes sense... everything inside a form is Form.ControlCollection and everything inside a control (except Form) is Control.ControlCollection
 
Why is it so hard to add a a reference to the VS unit testing framework? :(
 
5:22 PM
VS u fgt
 
5:47 PM
@KendallFrey What do you name your unit test projects? Let's say the main project is "HelloWorld", do you name the test project "HelloWorld.Test"?
 
@EckV In our work project, it's Test.HelloWorld
 
Which one do you prefer? "Test.ProjectName" or "Tests.ProjectName" or "ProjectName.Tests"?
 
I would probably go with Project.Tests
 
following the namespaces is a good convention, and usually namespaces are nested from least to most specific
so I'd probably agree with Kendall
More important than what convention you use is sticking to it though imho.
 
6:32 PM
This room is losing steam. JS is much more lively
 
Id throw in all my newb questions, but it would just bother everybody
But that's just my impression from stackoverflow.
 
@FoX IMHO it's lack of trying that annoys people, not the simplicity of the question. If it's something you could easily google then yes, people here will tell you to gtfo
 
@TomW Always has been
 
I understand that, though I mostly have trouble folding my problems in C# into "google-able" questions.
 
Problems for Google, problems for Stack Overflow, and problems for chat are all different
 
6:38 PM
"I've tried x and y and neither of them worked, and here's a fiddle showing that they don't work" goes a long way
// I don't know what this is called or // Why does this happen? are just gold nuggets in a code sample
 
Well, is there at least a newbie-friendly board anywhere? I don't think stackoverflow is the right platform for me right now.
 
Stack Overflow is pretty newbie-friendly, especially chat
There's a difference between newbies and bad question askers
 
I've got a pretty complicated problem so I made an example solution. I'd like to post my question on the SO boards but there's about 12 different classes. Is there a better way to share this example code for my specific question?
 
Is there no way you can simplify the example?
 
7:12 PM
I discovered something odd
adding a using directive inside a namespace isn't identical to adding it outside, even if that's the only namespace in the file
using A; // does not work
namespace B.C
{
    using A; // works
    class D : C // C is defined in A
    {
    }
}
 
7:32 PM
How can I use a Regex that contains "(double quote) while using a literal string?
-> new Regex("Something""")
@KendallFrey that's very weird
 
What?
 
Huh?
 
In regex, a double quote is interpreted literally
 
Nah I'm talking about C#'s literal string
 
So just put it in the string like you normally would
 
7:35 PM
The ones that you put @ before it
 
@EckV Which one? normal or verbatim?
oh, verbatim
a double quote is escaped by another double quote
 
isn't it called literal? I never checked though
oooohhh
 
all string literals are literal
as are int literals, double literals etc.
 
7:52 PM
Where's a good place to link an entire solution for a question on the SO boards?
 
Stop calling it "the SO boards". It's a question and answer site, not a forum or bulletin board.
As for a link, Gist should work
not sure how many sites there are that support multiple files
 
I'm sorry my semantics are so offensive to you
Is there a common place this question and answer site uses for a zip?
 
Even though 20 rep is needed to join the chat room- can someone with less than that be invited in? I am not sure how to help someone with the "avoid extended discussions..." when they have 1 rep.
 
@BrandenBoucher If you link to a zip, 99% of people will ignore it
@alykins Yes, if they are given explicit write access
 
@KendallFrey Can you clarify or link what you mean by that?
 
7:59 PM
It's in the room access tab
 
Would I need to create my own room for that I assume?
 
Sooo.. I created a unit test and added my assembly(?) using "using". And When I try to refer to the class I want to test I get "cannot resolve" error. Even though I made my class public
 
You need to be an owner or moderator
I think you're automatically owner of an automatically generated room
@EckV using works with namespaces, not assemblies
 
yeah I meant namespace
I'm not good with terms
 
Can you at least give a proper example or description?
 
8:04 PM
@alykins - Someone with 1 rep cannot chat in an invited room
 
@KendallFrey Thank you sir- yes I found where you were talking about, but when I tried to do it, as @TravisJ mentioned it wouldn't allow me to add the user- What are we supposed to do for newer users then- Are they just sh- out of luck?
 
Is there a way to make a wpf checkbox go from null > true?
default seems to be null > false
 
Confused
you mean IsChecked?
 
about the checkbox q?
 
yeah
 
8:08 PM
yeah IsChecked is bound to a value that is null. I want it to toggle to true from null
hacking it in the vm feels ugly
 
oh, that way
I don't know
 
SomeProp = false > Assert.IsTrue(SomeProp) :)
can't eat from that ^
 
@alykins - Yes. New users are out of luck. Extend the comment discussion. If it is off topic then a mod will fix it later.
 
So we're designing a class with some virtual unit test functionality ([TestInitialize] etc.) that the derived class (which contains the actual tests) should be able to override and extend. Unfortunately, it doesn't work. The test attributes don't look like they affect tests in the derived class. What could I do?
 
@KendallFrey - So you are spending more time writing code to make your existing code testable than it took to actually write the existing code in the first place?
 
8:19 PM
No, I don't think so
The idea of what I'm doing is to isolate and modularize unit tests
 
8:36 PM
ok thanks @TravisJ
 
@KendallFrey no way to write the code and the testcode simpler?
inheritance is not very nice
 
@JohanLarsson Right now everything is done manually, so it's a bit of extra work to make sure that tests are interfering with each other. (F-ing database tests)
If we can force tests to be self-contained and well-behaved, we can reduce errors and maybe increase performance
 
what runner are you using?
 
MSTest / Visual Studio
 
Debug.WriteLine("OnLostFocus");
Is ^supposed to show up in Output?
 
8:47 PM
Yes, unless you're in a Release build
 
yeah, that was my derp
 
9:01 PM
Hi team , i have a question about circular dependency that i spent 3 days trying to fix
anyone can help?
basically i have 2 classe Folder and Customer that have a circular dependency problem
from the folder class i need to call 2 methods of the customer class and vice versa
i am using Class injection (I used method injection and didnt work)
for conainer i am using Ninject
any lead on how to fix this issue
 
9:16 PM
property injections should fix it
but maybe you can redesign the stuff?
Are the methods in the right class?
what are the names of the methods?
 
9:35 PM
Update from previously: [TestInitialize] does seem to work under proper circumstances, but [Class-] and [AssemblyInitialize] never did anything.
whytf
 
@KendallFrey I'm gonna use a converter, null = false, will be cleanest I think. I don't have a style for null either.
 
Why are you allowing null then?
 
It is for a filter, null makes sense, it is for a show/hide all kind of thing.
Users wanted null > true
converter is an ok solution I think
 
9:53 PM
@KendallFrey Have you tried XamlStyler?
If not I can recommend it.
Ctrl+2 for nice formatting and clean merges
 
I have not
 
Install it.
I must write more T4, not looking forward to it.
 
I don't install stuff just for the heck of it
I barely ever use XAML anymore, and the last thing I need is bloat :/
 
@Johan the name of the methods: GetCustomersAccounts() """" Returns a JSon of a list of customers""""""
GetCustomerAccountByID
for the folder class i have these methods:
DeleteFolderFromDropBox(FolderID);
DeleteFolderFromDataBase(FolderID);
 
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