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6:04 AM
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Q: How to show Enum type members in a DataGridViewComboBox?

Dr TJWhat else I have to do in order to show ReadAccess enum members in this DatagridViewComboBox? ReadDataGridViewComboBoxColumn.Items.Clear(); ReadDataGridViewComboBoxColumn.Items.AddRange(ReadAccess.None, ReadAccess.Allowed); ReadDataGridViewComboBoxColumn.ValueType = typeof(ReadAccess); here ...

can anyone help me please?
 
6:44 AM
Solved!
 
Rye
7:28 AM
hi guys
can you hlep me with this exception
i cant solve it
 DataTable dt = new DataTable();

                dt.Columns.Add("Marker", typeof(string));
                dt.Columns.Add("Desc", typeof(string));
                dt.Columns.Add("Page", typeof(string));


                dt.Rows.Add("A1", "Desc1", "1");
                dt.Rows.Add("A2", "Desc2", "2");
                dt.Rows.Add("A3", "Desc3", "3");
                dt.Rows.Add("A4", "Desc4", "4");

                byte[] data = (byte[])dt.Rows[0][0];

                richTextBox1.Rtf = System.Text.Encoding.Unicode.GetString(data);
it gives me Unable to cast object of type 'System.String' to type 'System.Byte[]'.
 
in which line you get that error?
byte[] data = (byte[])dt.Rows[0][0];
?
you can't do it
 
Rye
yap
why?
 
byte[] data = System.Text.Encoding.Unicode.GetBytes(dt.Rows[0][0]);
try this
because dt.Rows[0][0] is string, and not byte[] and conversion will throw exception
but stop
why do you convert dt.rows[0][0] to byte[] than to string, it is string firstly and you can just write richTextBox1.Rtf = dt.rows[0][0]
 
Does anybody know where a direct download for the SQL Server 4.0 Compact Edition CTP 2 tools can be found?
 
Rye
@ArsenMkrt im just trying it. coz i want to display the datatable in a richtextbox using the RTF
 
7:37 AM
Oh, it is not the way to do it
 
Rye
byte[] data = System.Text.Encoding.Unicode.GetBytes(dt.Rows[0][0]); theres an error here
can you show me how please ;)
@ArsenMkrt im just new in RTF
 
are you using wpf or winforms?
 
Rye
winforms
 
you should generate string with RTF table specification I guess, this post can help stackoverflow.com/questions/248342/…
 
Rye
thanks @ArsenMkrt
 
7:51 AM
you are welcome
 
8:06 AM
@sinni800 Did you get your links?
@sinni800 A quick google-search gave me: erikej.blogspot.com/2010/10/…
 
Not yet
@LasseVKarlsen This is just the runtime, not the tools
 
Ah, sorry
 
@LasseVKarlsen Been there and to a ton of other sites already..
 
You sure the tools are out yet?
 
Web Platform Installer has the tools
But they 404
 
8:08 AM
Have you asked on Stack Overflow?
 
It worked a few days ago on a different computer (installing the ctp2 plus the tools)
@LasseVKarlsen I thought the question was too small and trivial to be asked on the site
 
Programming questions which have a definitive answers are always in-scope for Stack Overflow.
 
Well the Microsoft WebMatrix development environment can't be installed without the tools.
Is "trying to get an IDE but can't download it" belonging to programming questions anyway?
Well it's just as much in scope for SuperUser, since that means doing everyday tasks - like installing an application or finding a download... I keep finding questions which could be crossposted
I'm confused now. But I'll ask on SO anyway since it's programming software
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Q: Getting SQL Server Compact 4.0 Tools CTP2

sinni800Hello. I'm currently trying to install the "new" Microsoft WebMatrix Beta 2 (a web programming IDE). I was trying to use Web Platform Installer for this. But it 404's on the SQL Compact 4.0 CPT2 and it's tools. I was able to get the runtime from the Microsoft downloads page but the tools I am n...

This is it now
Okay, see you guys
 
 
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11:01 AM
morning
 
 
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Wil
1:07 PM
This isn't really a good question for SO - I just really want a yes or a "you do not understand"... I am trying to understand that difference between Byval and Byref - is it purely that having byval parses the value of the object e.g. a Textbox's text, where as byref returns that it is a textbox?
I can see a few questions that ask about Byref/Byval, but I want to try to find actual examples where you would use one and not the other
 
1:19 PM
@wil ByVal means that you are passing the variable's value itself, rather than a reference to the variable
so if you pass X to Func1 ByVal, and X has a value of 5, then in Func1 you change the value of X to 6, when the function (or sub) returns, the original value of X ( = 5 ) is restored (or not changed at all)
 
ByRef can only be used when you pass variables/fields
not properties or expressions
Think of it this way
When you pass a variable/field ByVal, the code will make a copy for the method you call
When you pass it ByRef, the method will work with the original variable/field
Which means that if the method changes the value while it is executing, if you were to inspect the original variable/field in its original location, it will have changed as well
Whereas with ByVal, that doesn't happen, the two are separate
Note that this only relates to the variable/field contents itself
If that content is a reference to an object, it will not make a copy of that object, only of the reference to it
Did that make sense?
 
 
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2:40 PM
Anyone have any advice for dealing with the following error in VS 2010:
Could not find Microsoft Silverlight SDK v4.0. Plase make sure that the correct version of the Microsoft Silverlight SDK has been installed.
I've installed/uninstalled/reinstalled all the damn tools, sdk's, etc... no joy =(
 
@CodingGorilla That's odd, because the SDK should have come with VS2010 by default. I haven't had to do anything with the SDK at all since I installed VS2010
Maybe reinstall VS rather than just the SDK?
 
Yea, I was thinking about that... but ugh.. that's pretty drastic
 
Yeah, I know. I've been having a crashing bug with VS on my work machine and have reinstalled it twice. Still not fixed.
It's not too bad... just takes a while
 
I'm going to try a repair, and cross my fingers
 
Good luck
It might take just as long... it did for me
 
2:47 PM
With linq... when using FirstOrDefault.... what exactly is the default value if the item is not found, just null?
 
@chrisKlepeis depends on the type you're requesting
if it's a class, it would return null, but for like an int it would be 0
 
it's the same as: return default(T)
@Phil I'm not worried about the amount of time, I just dont want to blow away all my extensions, settings, etc...
 
Oh, gotcha
 
Wil
3:19 PM
@CodingGorilla @LasseVKarlsen Thank you... Understand a bit better
I have only used Byval and not had a problem... Just wondering then, for example, I had a class to run and did a byval to pass an entire object (a textbox), as I wanted to disable it, then perform a routine... Byval worked fine, but are you saying Byref wouldn't? (sorry, still trying to understand properly) e.g. Byref is just a copy and does not do anything to the original object?
 
@wil No, you can't [really] pass a class ByVal, that would require making a copy of the object and all it's properties
So passing a TextBox ByVal results in passing it's reference by value, essentially you're passing a pointer to the TextBox, not the TextBox itself
You've got the ByVal and ByRef backwards, ByVal is a copy of the value, ByRef is a reference to the value (meaning if you change the value, the change is seen in the calling function as well as the original location)
make sense?
 
sup guys
@CodingGorilla if it's a custom object mapped from the DBML would the default values be whatever they are in the database?
 
Wil
Not really, sorry, getting really confused (FYI, this is VB - just this room is more active and I thought this issue is the same / I understand a basic c#, if it does make a difference, il shut up as it is my fault...)... I basically had "byval box as textbox" and the calling code pushed a textbox object to that. In the class, I was able to do box.enabled=false, and it did disable the box...
so why was that working then? :S
 
talking about FirstOrDefault again
 
Wil
I thought I understood, but I guess I didn't
 
3:32 PM
it's pushing a copy of the textbox right guys
 
@shogun Nope, you would need to code your entities to set the defaults yourself
 
or it's just not changable
 
@Wil what don't you understand?
 
"Specifies that an argument is passed in such a way that the called procedure or property cannot change the value of a variable underlying the argument in the calling code."
(ByVal)
 
Wil
@CodingGorilla So why did what I did, work? chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/92489#92489
 
3:35 PM
why would it NOT do that
what makes you think it would not pass an object at all?
 
@Wil just to make it simple on you (no offense), you can't pass a class (TextBox) ByVal, so the compiler does some magic for you and you end up with a ByRef instead
 
wait, really?
i'll just shut up now lol
 
Yea, ByVal means you're passing the value rather than a reference, so doing a class ByVal would mean you would need to copy the entire class, all it's properties, all of the properties properties, etc
 
Wil
So basically, I screwed up, the compiler changed the byval to a byref?
 
It's a little more complicated than that, but essentially when passing around classes you should use ByRef
 
Wil
3:40 PM
now that I can understand! and thanks - I don't take any offense - look at my rep - it is all on SU, I am trying to "get in" to programming a lot more, but I know I am a beginner!
 
Think of it like a Box, that holds a donut (I could really go for some donuts right now)
 
Wil
so basically, (please correct if I am wrong)... Byref works anywhere Byval would, but byval is restricted and not interchangeable..
 
no wait.. my donut desires aside, that's a bad example lol
It's not that ByVal is restrictive, its just that it really doesn't have a significant effect when passing classes
 
Wil
:)
 
OK, better example, think of an invoice, I write up the invoice and give you the invoice to you (this would be ByRef, you're getting the actual invoice)
you make changes and give it back to me, I can see the changes
If I make a copy of it (this is ByVal), and I give it to you and you make changes, when I look at the invoice I cannot see the changes
 
Wil
3:44 PM
Makes perfect sense - And byval means you are photocopying the invoice to me and I can do what I want, but you don't get any changes back...
ok - That makes perfect sense!
 
Exactly
I still want some donuts tho
 
Wil
The only reason that my Byval worked was a smart compiler that changed Byval to Byref automatically...
@CodingGorilla If you are in London, il buy you some for that!!! helped me to understand...
 
When you're talking classes, instead of an invoice think of a computer, how hard would it be to make a copy of the computer, so instead you get a network cable connected to the computer
When you do ByVal, its more like you're making a copy of the network cable, because it's still really hard to make a copy of the computer
(that's kind of crappy analogy)
 
Wil
What confused me as well was the top answer here - stackoverflow.com/questions/408101/… ... So, if Byval can be used for both, and the compiler corrects it, should I only be using Byval as it works and it has speed improvements?
 
You wont get any speed improvements out of it, because you're still not passing the class ByVal
 
Wil
3:48 PM
now you are confusing me again? :S I understand that what you mean is you are not "copying" the object, just an interface to the object (guessing?), so you can still change and interface with the object?
but I thought that is what you meant for byref, not byval? :S
or are you saying byref is a full copy of the object and byval just does the "interface" to it
 
no copying means it's a new one, not the one that is already there
 
Yea, you're getting them backwards again, remember ByVal is a photocopy of the invoice
 
Wil
Sorry, I just got a little confused by the computer/network cable analogy...
 
yea, that was a bad analogy, what I'm trying to convey is that when you pass a class byval, you're still getting a copy of the reference to the original class, but you are not getting a separate copy of the class itself
 
dim x as string = "hello"
dosub1(x)
' x = "hello"
dosub2(x)
' x = "hello, world!"

private sub dosub1(byval x as string)
x = "hello, world"
end sub

private sub dosub2(byref x as string)
x = "hello, world"
end sub
 
3:53 PM
Still with me or did I totally lose you now? :P
 
so it's the same thing, but x could be a member of the object
anyone know what this Properties folder is and where it came from in my project??
it was never there before, and now it keeps updating when I change my DBML rather than my web.config
 
VS creates it, its usually where the AssemblyInfo.cs file goes
 
i think one of my other devs somehow got it in the project
i dont like it... can i make it go away
it's this Settings.settings file
it's making me uneasy
it's full of developer machine specific things
 
Oh, then someone created some settings
 
i dont want that on the production deployment
 
4:00 PM
those get generated down to the app.config usually
 
man i've been making courage wolves all morning and i can't seem to stop
 
4:20 PM
lol
 
4:42 PM
Ugh... still no luck on this @#!@ing silverlight designer
 
5:04 PM
Can anyone explain why changes to code behind files in ASP.NET (C#) requires recompiling but changes to code in .aspx files inside <% %> tags (also C#) does not require recompiling?
 
Because the code in the ASPX files are parsed on at render time and compiled on the fly by the server
the same can be done with the .cs files depending on how your website is set up
If set up the site as a web application, then the runtime expects to find a .dll file which is the compiled form of all the .cs files
If you set it up as a "website" (In VS: File -> New -> Website) then the whole thing is compiled on the fly
 
I guess that makes sense
 
it also checks last modified time against a hash on the dll if the .cs is present in the directory on the server, cos it will recompile again once you make .cs changes
 
Here's a SO post that has more info if you really wanna know: stackoverflow.com/questions/73022/codefile-vs-codebehind
Now can anyone tell me how to fix this !@#%'ing silverlight designer :'(
 
@CodingGorilla use a text editor instead
 
5:15 PM
<whine>But I don't wanna... I WANNA USE THE DESIGNER!!</whine>
 
@CodingGorilla every real person writes html & css by hand rather then clicky clicky draggy
 
@Raynos was that called for?
@CodingGorilla how can you stand to use the designer? It hurts my eyes
 
@drachenstern no hence I removed it.
 
yeah I should hope so :\
 
If this were HTML/CSS I would be writing in a text editor, but this is silverlight
and I'm not as proficient with XAML, soI like to be able to see the result of my XAML coding as I write it
and I wasn't bothered by that comment, so no worries :P
 
5:20 PM
@CodingGorilla what is silverlight used for?
 
lmao
seriously?
 
@drachenstern :(
 
Silverlight = MS's version of flash
 
also, meh, I write my ui code and put all the elements and then worry how it looks
 
in this case it's more of a learning experience than anything else
 
5:21 PM
you're going to give him shite about the choice of editor but don't know the platform?
interesting
 
@CodingGorilla is there any reason why you would use silverlight over flash or vica versa?
 
/afk
 
@drachenstern I thought it was some kind of fancy click and drag html/css designer. shush
 
@Raynos Silverlight is built on .net and C#, which is where I live
Flash is built on top of a pile of crap.. I dont like to live in crap :P
 
@CodingGorilla I presume it requires an asp.net backend ?
 
5:22 PM
nope, you can host it inside just a straight up HTML file
 
@CodingGorilla I mean does it run on linux servers?
 
Again, in this particular case, I'm experimenting with WCF RIA services and Silverlight, mostly just to learn
There's a linux implementation by the mono guys called Moonlight
and Microsoft released a Mac/Safari plugin so it runs on Mac as well
 
/!afk
 
/welcomeback
these chat rooms need emoticons!
 
so I would encourage you guys to experiment with WinForms design without the aid of the visual designer (being that the last time I was messing with that was VB.NET 2k3) where it puts all the form elements in a file as you move them around on screen. Interesting tricks on how to manipulate all that.
@CodingGorilla try ;)
 
5:27 PM
Wait, winforms without the designer? That's blasphemy!!
 
@CodingGorilla the designer? That's blashempy!!
@drachenstern aren't winforms local applications rather then web applications
 
@Raynos yep
 
Yes code it manually. new box(); box.x = foo; box.y = bar;
 
@Raynos have you ever seen the codebehind for the form tho?
like I said it's been years since I toyed with this
 
TextBox tb1 = new TextBox(); tb1.Left =142; tb1.Top = 10; That's kinda kooky imo
 
5:29 PM
at the time it was just weird to see it
 
@drachenstern if your going to use the designer I wouldn't touch the auto generated code. eww.
 
@Raynos yeah but I only use the designer to get a feel for the layout, so meh
 
@drachenstern I have a pixel grid in my head.
 
At this point, this silverlight designer issue is more of a Jihad thing than anything else
 
@CodingGorilla whats the actaul issue?
 
5:31 PM
Could not find Microsoft Silverlight SDK v4.0. Plase make sure that the correct version of the Microsoft Silverlight SDK has been installed.
The designer just gives me that exception
 
@CodingGorilla reinstall windows 7
 
LOL, I think my IT department wouldn't be so happy with that
 
@CodingGorilla Have you tried turning your machine on and off again?
 
Yep
Reinstalled, uninstalled, repaired, updated, etc et. al
 
@CodingGorilla given it a good kick?
 
5:33 PM
About to toss it out the damn window
 
@CodingGorilla figure out where its looking, what its looking for and moving dll and various exe's around manually. And edit the neccesary registry entries.
 
Yea, found a few blog posts about various registry keys that it looks for, that's the angle I'm working on at the moment
 
@CodingGorilla the problem is that you're writing silverlight code :p
 
@drachenstern why is that a problem? =(
 
lol, idk, sounded like a "trwtf" moment
 
5:36 PM
This is the second VS2010 problem I've seen where nothing you do seems to be able to fix it.
 
@CodingGorilla microsoft is the problem.
 
I just don't do silverlight
if I can't do it in stateless transactions I don't care for it
 
@Raynos Pfft... don't be a hater :P
@Phil yea, I've had a lot of different problems with VS2010, way more than I have with any previous versions
 
and I've had no problems from VS2010 ... interesting
everyone seems to have issues
 
It's almost like VS is biased against my work PC. But that's the only PC it hates.
Maybe it has become self-aware, and very irrational
 
5:40 PM
@Phil I was just thinking the same thing, I don't have as many problems at home (dont use it as often either)
 
I'm at the point where I bring my home laptop to work and use it all day.
 
I can't stand using laptops, I need screen space (dual 26' monitors)
 
Me too, but I hooked my laptop up to a larger monitor, doing dual-monitor setup now
 
@CodingGorilla widescreens? I have one wide and one 4:3
 
@drachenstern yea. 1080p (1920x1080)
 
5:42 PM
I got a nice 30-some inch monitor on my dev PC... I've been missing it
 
I just want two nice 21" 1920x1080 screens hooked up so I can use them with a laptop and have three screens, and a keyboard on the desk for when I do hookup the laptop
and I'll be a happy coder
 
@drachenstern Do they have laptops that have dual monitor outputs?
 
nope, so you need something like this: tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/…
 
oh sweet, never seen one of those
 
Wil
@CodingGorilla Sorry urgent phone call and got distracted... That last thing you wrote makes sense, and @shogun many thanks for that example, sums it up well.
 
5:48 PM
so I figure two of those on a powered USB hub and I'm good
 
@Wil no problem
 
@Wil Darn phone calls distracting us from important things like SO chat
 
6:08 PM
So, in reference to Phil's comment, the damn silverlight designer works perfectly fine on my home computer
installed the !@%$'ing tools, and poof no problem
 
6:59 PM
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Q: Correct way to handle standard error and output from a program when spawned via Process class from C#?

Lasse V. KarlsenI read the documentation for Process.StandardOutput, which has this quote: A deadlock condition can result if the parent process calls p.WaitForExit before p.StandardOutput.ReadToEnd and the child process writes enough text to fill the redirected stream. So I'm wondering. What is the correc...

 
@LasseVKarlsen I just responded to your question (as did someone else)
The short answer is your 'simple' code would still deadlock
 
yeah, I commented on @CodingGorilla's answer. I'm not sure why that wouldn't work. If you're concerned about deadlock, run two threads
 
7:37 PM
I've edited my question, can you see if the added code is right then?
 
@LasseVKarlsen are you worried that it's going to saturate both buffers? Are you adverse to spawning a thread just to listen to the error buffer?
 
No, no, I can easily spawn a thread
But if the posted code will work, I won't have to
I'm adverse to spawning threads just for the sake of it, but if it's the right solution, that's what I'll do
 
well but you won't know if anything is coming on the error response till after you've tried to read standardoutput
 
that's right, but the code posted is literally what I imagine I'll do
 
what if the program is choking on standardoutput waiting on standardinput and warning you on standarderror?
 
7:42 PM
I'll read both streams to their ends, wait for the process to exit, then check if it exited with an exit code, and use either error output or standard output
It's going to be the Mercurial program, I will parameterize everything so that it will never read from standard input
 
so the only problem I foresee is if it tries to write to standarderror before you goto read standarderror
I don't even think hg writes to standard error tho, does it?
 
hmm, perhaps I should just test this a bit more
Time to fire up LINQPad I guess
It writes to standard error
I'll do the threads, seems easier
 
yah, be lazy :D ... I just don't think hg will write out enough to fill a buffer
have you tested it without the thread? or are you trying to plan ahead?
 
perhaps not in standard error
standard output doesn't work, it deadlocks
if I do: hg log --style=XML
then it'll easily fill the buffer
but in case of error, there's nothing on output
so I was worried that if I tried to read all of output first, it would wait because there was really data on standard error
and vice versa
but threads seems to handle both cases fine
actually, I'll make the jump and upgrade to .net 4.0 for this project and use tasks
or, hmm...
 
7:57 PM
@Phil Slacker..
 
argh, I want to use all the new features of .NET and C# 4.0, but I'm afraid that I'll artificially limit the library for people that want to use it
 
@jsmith Takes one to know one
 
@LasseVKarlsen just remember my motto: be lazy
 
@drachenstern It's one of the fundamental principles of software development
 
7:59 PM
oooh, yes, task it is, 4.0 here I come
This is what I ended up with:
var outputTask = Task.Factory.StartNew(() => p.StandardOutput.ReadToEnd());
var errorTask = Task.Factory.StartNew(() => p.StandardError.ReadToEnd());
if (!p.WaitForExit(60000))
and then depending on whether p.ExitCode > 0, I either throw an exception around errorTask.Result, or I return outputTask.Result
works nicely, testing with error codes here now
 
can you use winforms controls in WPF?
 
yeah, that sounds pretty good to me, and I love the lazy instantiation of the threads
@ChrisKlepeis yes, I believe you can. Are they .NET compatible winforms controls?
which one in particular are you wanting to use?
 
seems to swallow my error output, but perhaps HG doesn't use exitcode, nah, it has to, I must be doing something wrong
 
@drachenstern I believe so, I'm looking at these infragistics.com/dotnet/netadvantage/winforms.aspx#Overview
 
uhm, HG returns an exit code of -1
 
augh
Ok, then I better return standard output, standard error, and exit code, back to the calling code then, to handle this on a per-command basis
 
looks like it's 1,42,255(aka -1)
@LasseVKarlsen do you know the answer to @ChrisKlepeis question?
Winforms controls aok in WPF?
 
yeah, but comments near the end say that 0 is usually success, but in some cases, 1 is success
@drachenstern Sorry, I don't do WPF, so I wouldn't know
 
yeah I don't either, but I think you can
 
Yes, I too think you can
 
8:11 PM
@ChrisKlepeis post a SO question, it'll catch more visibility
 
yep, planning on it :)
 
Nice, works nicely :)
 
with 4.0 and tasks?
 
sweet
 
8:21 PM
I'll push the latest code in a minute, I'll post a link to what I ended up with
 
woohoo for metaframeworks :D (meaning .NET clearly does a lot of work for you under the hood)
 
a quick question... now a days If someone would buy a book about C#, will it be better 3.0 or 4.0? what's more used out there?
 
better to buy one on 4.0, because it will be more up to date, but my advice is to buy the book that targets best what you are trying to do
have you got one in mind? why are you buying it? as a reference or to learn from?
 
Is more as a reference. I work with apps in C# 2.0 and 3.5 daily and wanted to dig deeper into .NET, so the question of the version came up
 
then 4.0
 
8:37 PM
That's the start of the code in question
 
8:53 PM
Hah, and with xml deserialization, interpreting the log is a piece of cake
 
9:07 PM
This will make it super-easy to write scripts in C# for things with Mercurial
ie. something like:
var mods =
    from changeset in new Repository(@"C:\Dev\Some\Project").Log()
    where changeset.Paths.Any(p => p.Path == ".hgignore" && p.Action == "M")
    select changeset;
 
nice
 
Want to know who deleted a particular file?
var who =
    from changeset in new Repostory(@"C:\Dev\Some\Project").Log()
    where changeset.Paths.Any(p => p.Path == "the-file.txt" && p.Action == "R")
    select changeset.Author.Name;
 
lol, that's why I have kiln of course ;)
 
9:31 PM
i cant remember: does List<T> keep an ordered index if I access it as an array?
 
"ordered" as in the order you added them in, then yes
 
thats what i though. thanks.
 
was this the room where we had a discussion a few days ago about iterated versus enumerated?
 
i just needed to rubber duck before i started adding paranoid error checking
 
@drachenstern Check the transcripts perhaps?
 
9:35 PM
lol
@LasseVKarlsen not that interested?
:p
 
Dunno? I don't think I was here for that discussion
 
I think it was javascript with @NickCarver on javascript arrays and for ... in
 
nope, it was in SO
 
in SO? the tavern? so you remember the convo?
mkay
 
i'm not sure if its the same conversation your thinking of, but it ended up degrading into a lecture from Reed about how C# stores delegates as a pool of pointers
and im 99% sure it was in SO Tavern
 
9:44 PM
no, that wasn't it I don't think, this was on javascript
there was a jsfiddle involved and everything, then we debugged why IE has different behavior
 
awsome
 
@entens You make it sound like that's a bad thing
;)
 
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