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3:14 AM
@ArgentoSapiens I'm not sure that is "more self-documenting" in this case because of the "black arts" @MrWizard has employed to ensure that you get a random permutation of an equal number of 1s and 0s. The fact that there is an equal number of them is the key.
 
 
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7:10 AM
All, I was making the "black magic" answer much more complicated than it needed to be. See the update please.
 
7:28 AM
BTW, I am quite surprised this question has not gotten more attention:
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Q: Handling flexible arguments in Mathematica functions

Mr.WizardThis is an offshoot and extension of: Is it safe to turn off Pattern::patv? Many built-in Mathematica functions allow flexible arguments. In user-defined functions I have been using Alternatives for this purpose, but comments and answers to the question referenced indicate that this is at least...

Do all of you not write functions that allow for this kind of flexibility, or do you see this as a duplicate of my earlier question?
 
7:58 AM
@MrWizard jeez man, it's been just 18hrs since you asked! People have things to do, ya know ;)
@MrWizard BTW, there are other ways to attract attention :)
 
9:01 AM
@yoda Sorry, I'll try to be patient. Only two votes and zero comments seems low relative to other questions however, and I am wondering if I wrote it poorly, or if the subject is not of interest.
I have yet to offer a bounty; that could be a good idea if the question languishes, but I'll wait a while.
 
 
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2:45 PM
Hi, people. I have a Question about a function in mathematica, should i ask in chat or a thread?
 
acl
3:12 PM
@user posting a question is more likely to get you an answer than in chat
 
3:45 PM
> Problem Recap: Closed due to two major concerns -- Appeals that Mathematica is covered by existing sites (see discussions attached to the proposal); factor in a year+ long search for support, followed by troubling loss of momentum during Commitment. Historically, proposals launched into declining momentum causes fatal problems and a closed site.
> Agree or not, these were the factors that went into the decision. A next generation Area 51 will be a more iterative process that will encourage "fix and reboot" to clarify objectives and launch into stronger support.
> The solution: Rally your support base and relaunch a proposal with robust support and example questions that show off why the site should exist. Use the discussion area to organize your efforts. I suspect that a new proposal should be able to avoid the troubling problems described above. If that turns out to be the case, we will happily support your proposal and the launched site. Good luck! – Robert Cartaino♦
 
4:36 PM
@yoda Interesting. Definitely interesting. I'm tempted to go your route and say to hell with it. This has gotten my goat, though, and I'd like to get it back. So, maybe after the new year we can work on this again.
 
Maybe, maybe not... unless something changes dramatically at Area 51, it'll still be the same
I do know that they're working on improving the process, so we'll have to wait and watch
It is possible that they closed it prematurely so that these proposals can try again cleanly with the new format. Right now it's a mix of two old formats and that makes things murky... which one do you blame?
 
5:00 PM
@yoda Without a timeline on the launch of the new system, though, we could be waiting a long time.
 
5:33 PM
@acl regarding Daviv Geo's questions, you wrote: "but do you really want to encourage "here is my homework question verbatim, please solve it" questions?"
No, I do not. I wanted to respond in a lighthearted way. I won't make a habit of answering such questions other than to direct the user to resources.
 
5:48 PM
@MrWizard I don't see it as a duplicate. BTW, I added an answer.
 
acl
6:34 PM
@mr Yes I now see the comment (to Leonid) you made under your question. Didn't mean to sound rude.
 
 
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8:11 PM
@acl I did not infer any rudeness.
 
8:35 PM
@yoda I can understand you feeling that way. I have always taken the view that "living well is the best revenge", so I would be inclined to start again in the New Year. The difference is that this time we already have the questions that define the proposal, so the Definition stage should be pretty quick. We also have a list of people who already committed.
@yoda Your answer in Area 51 discuss actually gathers together a bunch of questions that show off the non-SO-like areas and where we can define a few more that clearly show the need for a Mathematica-specific site
I see Robert's belated answer as an unwitting admission that he got it wrong, but wants to save face.
@rcollyer Perhaps we should start asking about the timeline for the new system. But I am not sure if that should happen on meta.SO or Area 51 Discuss.
 
8:53 PM
@Verbeia I decided to go ahead and get it done on Area51. Here's the new link.
I'm willing to start posting the link in other, related communities, if I have the support of this one. Let me know.
 
@rcollyer I have "followed", sent the link to the three people I sent it to last year. And I've put a couple of the graphics up on verbeia.com/mathematica even though they break the layout a bit.
 
@Verbeia I saw. Thanks. Any questions you'd like to post, upvote, etc?
I "spammed" three chat rooms of other sites I'm on. We'll see.
 
9:11 PM
@rcollyer have a look at the ones in yoda's answer, especially the ones that are off-topic on SO.
 
@Verbeia Plan on it.
 
@rcollyer One thing to be aware of is that so close to Christmas, those of us in the southern hemisphere might be thinking about summer holidays.
 
@Verbeia And, up here in the frozen sub-tropical zone (southern US, soon to be northern US) we're thinking about them, also. I hope, the SE team can understand a lackluster first couple of weeks.
 
@rcollyer I just added a question that should make it pretty obvious that many legitimate Mathematica questions are not programming questions.
 
@Verbeia Saw it, used one of my precious upvotes on it.
gotta run, for now.
 
9:26 PM
@rcollyer you can always reallocate the upvotes later if other questions get more votes
I think the strategy should be to pick ten really good questions and concentrate on getting those over the line quickly.
Hi @yoda
 
I highly recommend that we don't all simply dump questions in the definition phase and spread out the votes... I'd say about 5-10 questions max and vote them up quickly
It really doesn't matter what questions are listed in the definition phase, as long as the scope is clear
 
@yoda snap! :)
 
I've apologized to Robert, but I still do think that potential traffic plays a lot bigger part than number of experts, in deciding which ones to can, despite what they say.
 
@MikeBantegui, if you like "black magic" in the form of syntax tricks, take a look at this answer I posted in humor:
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A: Lowest common multiple, Mathematica

Mr.WizardLet's play CodeGolf. gcd = If[#2==0,#,#2~#0~Mod@##]& lcm = Fold[##/gcd@##&,#,{##2}]& Submit that to your teacher. I dare you.

 
@MrWizard Hilarious! The question can be (and has been) closed now.
 
9:34 PM
lol.. .a month ago, I posted a link showing that we're the nicest community around. Somehow Daviv Geo has succeeded in pissing us all off with a score of -8
We should watchout for new accounts... the chap is surely banned from asking questions now and he'll try to circumvent with a new account
Should be easy though... just look for For loops in the code ;)
 
@yoda I think it's his totally ignoring any and all advice as though it was never written.
 
@yoda yeah, it must have been those For loops, and what Mr.Wizard said
 
I propose turning any For related question that crops up in the next week into an obfuscated code contest. Who's in?
 
Oh yeah definitely.. and the whole 'meh with your nice answers... give me a for loop solution'
Well, I'm planning on casting delete votes in the next couple of days when I'm eligible...
 
@yoda why aren't you eligible? You already have 15k rep?
 
9:40 PM
@Verbeia you need 20k to vote as soon as it is closed. 10k+ & <20k users will have to wait for 2 days after closure
 
@yoda oh right, that's not obvious the privileges page (and obviously not something I need to worry about any time soon).
 
10:09 PM
Hi @SjoerdCdeVries Hi @PFonseca
 
Back at the bottom
Was catching up the oldnews
 
@SjoerdCdeVries There has been a bit
 
followed the new mma proposal
 
I saw, thanks!
 
saw all the closed questions
thought I'd gotochat
space bar doesnt work ok
 
10:13 PM
We just need to come up with 10 questions on the proposal and upvote that concentrated list
 
New questions?
 
I've recycled a couple
 
Perhaps we should address yoda's categories
 
But I thought it worthwhile to really focus the questions to get a good definition
 
A bit of science
 
10:14 PM
Yes, I think yoda and I said something about that above
 
A bit of hardware
A bit of Graphics
A bit of sound
A bit of Probabilistics
etc
span the mma galaxy
There's a problemthough
 
we have four so far. we only need six more, so one of each from each of your list?
problem?
 
Can we cover those categories?
as experts?
 
in the proposal questions to define the site, or when the questions come?
 
We have the most expertise in the language itself but I've seen
questions getting no response that were perfectly ontopic but
nobody new to answer those
knew
If we have many questions we can't deal with that might not be good
Opening tab to find examples...
brb
 
10:19 PM
There are only 20 with no answers and one wasn't really a Mathematica question.
 
I remember a control systems question
I had a halfway answer but
didn't feel like I was qualified to expertly address this
nobody else came forward
with mma 9 we may have more of these problems
 
Graphics is definitely doable (especially if Heike joins up). I think some domain experts will come forward in a dedicated site, who aren't active on SO. That's why I supported the proposal
I don't know about plans for Mma 9. Was that in the conference videos I haven't gotten around to watching?
40k out of 120k questions on aren't answered. I think we are doing ok.
 
I've signed an NDA so can't really talk about that. However, since Stephen W already blogged about MatheModellica I think it's no problem to indicate that this may be a mma 9 addition
MMA 9 will have more specialized stuff that are beyond my area of expertise
 
they have really gone for that in recent versions, but I wonder if they are really adding functionality that helps domain experts
They trumpet their curated data sets, but the economics stuff is not useful for serious work
 
You think so?
I liked the time value stuff
Distributions are nice for financials too
Hi Mr.wizard!
 
10:30 PM
Oh the financials stuff is fine, but their GDP is all in USD which looks crazy.
 
FinancialData[]?
I feel that expertise on mathlink and other linking technologies is not particularly dense on SO. I don't use it (would love to be able to but never had much time to look into it) and I think less than a handful of us have a deep expertise there
 
CountryData - DateListPlot[CountryData["France", {{"GDP"}, {1970, 2011}}]] France did not go through a five-year recession in the late 1990s
it is an exchange rate effect
 
I suppose you can combine this with FX data from FinancialData
 
10:54 PM
Last time I looked, FX data was latest data point only, not time series. Also you don't know for sure what the rate used was - was it the 4pm New York end of year rate, or some kind of average?
 
11:13 PM
might try FinancialData[{"EUR", "USD"}, {{2002}, {2011, 11}}] // DateListPlot
About the closures. Wasn't it a bit harsh?
 
11:33 PM
Added two more questions.
Hi, @MrD.
@Verbeia The group theory section is seriously lacking, also.
 
@rcollyer as an economist I admit I know nothing about group theory
How about an example question along the lines of "How can I extend the built-in [financial pricing/ group theory / probability /wavelet ] functionality to implement [this recent development in the literature]?"
 
@Verbeia Honestly, I think that's fine with out the recent development part as the question of extending the built-in functionality is good all by itself.
 
I'm surprised that Mathematica has such good capabilities for image processing, but not for signal processing
 
@yoda is it possible to make the signal into an image, process it and then convert? Are the algorithms similar? There is a systems and signals package, I think, so maybe it is one of those things that will be rolled into a future version
 
@Verbeia I use it in the context of symmetry as the symmetries of a system form a group under multiplication. For my purposes, since two different representations of a symmetry group are orthogonal to each other, in quantum mechanics they don't interact. In other words, I can block diagonalize the Hamiltonian just by knowing the symmetry of the system.
 
11:48 PM
@Verbeia no, they aren't really similar. I've seen the Signals & Systems pack in online searches, but I think they discontinued it after v5... I certainly can't find it in my system
 
Okay guys, I'm almost out of votes, we have 7 questions up, and need to post two more to finish my quota. So, let's start the upvoting! @yoda, that means you, too.
 
@rcollyer I have, already :) I don't have any more votes left
 
@yoda You're not showing up in the recent followers list ... :P
 
@rcollyer you lie :P
 
@yoda Considering that it shows you as registering 5 secs ago, I doubt that. ;)
 

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