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A: Longer duration bounties?

ServyWhen you post a bounty you're paying for the additional attention to your post. If you want to have twice as much attention in the form of twice as much time on the featured list, then you're going to need to pay for multiple bounties. Keep in mind that having bounties last two or three weeks m...

 
Paying more is EXACTLY my point. Combined with the fact that putting up a banner that says "300 points" and keeping it up for 3 weeks has a MUCH higher chance of success than 3 separate 100-point bounties. And the SNR in both cases is exactly the same. Note that a lower-point bounty would still have lower exposure - only 1 week - so the SNR will only change in favor of the tougher, higher-bounty deserving questions, which I think is a good thing.
I wanted to avoid the meta effect, but considering the problem seems to be so obscure, let me share an example. Consider this question - stackoverflow.com/questions/25353838/…. Do you see anyone investing the time to debug/understand the ROOT of this obviously flaky, but nonetheless annoying and critically productivity-killing issue, if only a 100 points were on offer? This is a high-bounty question, if it has to have a chance at a meaningful answer at all.
Secondly, the chances of the question being found by someone actually capable of understanding the root-cause within a "normal" time-frame is really small, and the chances of an answer received within a week being GOOD, are even less so. I'd want to wait for at least 2-3 weeks for a good answer, and award 2-300 points for an answer that's actually worth it.
Or consider this question - stackoverflow.com/questions/25822142/… I care less about this one, but this such an obscure issue, that if important enough, it can deserve a high bounty and require a few weeks to actually get the attention of someone who CAN debug it. (Note: There may be some relatively simple ways to debug this second question, I simply didn't have the time and chose to rely on the wisdom of the community instead - but the point, hopefully, still remains. Obscurity demands higher points, for longer).
 
@DevKanchen Yes, if you're able to have a question bountied for several weeks while everyone else is stuck on just a week then your question is going to get quite a lot more visibility. When most all bounties end up getting three weeks of visibility then everyone is pretty much back in the same boat.
 
But it's not just about the question being visible, it's also about it intersecting with the RIGHT users. For obscure questions, the probability of intersecting with the RIGHT user is very low, and increases with the duration of exposure. The long-bounty questions are not MEANT to be exposed to the 80% for 3 weeks, but hit that rare 20 (or 2%) who happens to come across your question by CHANCE, the chance improved by being visible as a bounty. Also not ALL bounties will be 3 weeks or so. They will be proportional to size. I'm not aware of the bounty distribution but imagine 50/100 most common
 
@DevKanchen You say you don't want to expose the question to a wide audience for a long period of time, but that's exactly what is going to happen. When you have a particularly obscure question that very few people in the world can ever answer then getting answers is obviously hard. A bounty cannot necessarily solve that problem in the general case. You seem to be considering your one exact situation and not considering the ramifications of a change like this on every other situation involving bounties.
 
Fair enough, but isn't the point of a bounty two-fold, one being - as mentioned in some places - getting quick answers to questions. And the second, that arises naturally from the design of the bounties, regardless of the original intention, being to reward answers to particularly tough questions, and get attention to obscure ones? Bounties ARE a special case, not for your everyday questions, but for ones that NEED special attention, either out of personal need or the NEED OF THE QUESTION itself. And I genuinely feel they will only be better served by more flexibility in the system.
 
8:24 PM
@DevKanchen Bounties are not there to get fast answers to questions, no. Yes, getting answers to hard questions, or obscure questions, (particularly the former) are goals. Another goal is to encourage higher quality answers to a question that currently only has mediocre or low quality answers. There are still more, see the bounty page to see them. Once again, keep in mind that if your goal is to get more attention to your question, that goal is not necessarily met if all/most of the other bounties end up being extended in duration as well.
 
I might have misworded my original comment to which you responded - I didn't mean the exposure to 80% won't happen, but that they won't matter in terms of getting a reasonable answer. What will matter is that it hit that other 20%, or 2%. And to achieve that a long exposure is required. This naturally means adding to the noise for the 80%, you're right about that. But considering it's only for the high-bounty questions, I don't think the disturbance would be much. If, say, 200-point bounties are very common, then have the multiple-week extension only for the 500-pointers and so on.
Having week-extensions only for the top few percentile of bounties - whether that is 500 points or much more than that - will keep SNR low while making bounties more useful for obscure questions. I don't see how a graded system - which is what I've recommended, the values of course depending on the actual data - would increase noise as you say. SNR is the goal of a graded system.
 
@DevKanchen If you want to start talking about bounties of amounts over 500, or only the very top percent of bounties, then you can already accomplish this by simply using multiple sequential bounties. You'll have to spend rep in the top few percent of bounty submitters, but you can do it.
 
"many more active bounties at any given point in time...will reduce the attention that all bounties get" - not if the points thresholds (that make a bounty eligible to be extended in the first place) are high enough, and graded, as mentioned in my original question.
 
@DevKanchen At which point you can accomplish those same goals by just using sequential bounties, as mentioned in my previous comment.
 
I think the fundamental point of difference here is, I'm thinking of being able to award a high bounty incentive to the answerer. For most "budget" users like me, this won't be possible with repeat bounties. And a low-bounty ultra-hard or ultra-obscure question, even if repeated for several weeks, may not be attractive to an answerer.
 
8:24 PM
@DevKanchen That is all true. It would still all be true if your proposed feature were implemented.
 
Hi Servy. First of all thank you for keeping at this this long!
Was your last reply in response to my comment about low-bounty questions not being attractive?
 
You can't have it both ways, either you want users to be able to post bounties for longer without spending a lot more rep, in which case the value of every bounty becomes diluted, or you only allow users to have longer bounties by spending a lot of rep, meaning that you have to spend a lot of rep
Both have their problems, you can't get the best of both and the problems of neither
 
Yes, but in the second case, the VALUE extracted out of that lot of rep is a lot! In my view, a 500-point 3-week bounty would be more valuable than 3 150-point bounties. For the same point expenditures, you get vastly more value.
It's okay if the new system does not favor me at THIS point (with a low point threshold) but if in the future I can spend 2000 points on a single multiple-week bounty, instead of over several smaller bounties, I'd take the former.
 
It might be marginally preferable, but the differences between the two are not particularly significant, this is not sometime that, if the costs were intentionally prohibitively expensive, would get used much, and thus the cost/benefit is really quite low.
 
8:40 PM
I think it's simply a question of finding that usability balance, but that would need a much longer debate to figure out and get a bunch of people to agree upon. :)

But thanks much for this! Meaningful q&a is the reason I enjoy practically any SE site. Thank you.
 

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