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12:23 AM
hi, My code in view is:
ac_obj = models.Acc.query.join(models.AccDesc)\
.order_by(models.Acc.id.desc())
return render_template('acc_pl.html', ac=acc_obj)

Now, in acc_pl.html what can I access fields of only Acc table and not of AccDesc??
 
I don't know, why? There's no way we'd even be able to know, because you haven't show what the model looks like nor how you're trying to access the field. Do you get an error? Did you try out that query in the terminal? Did you try debugging? Prove you've done some work first before asking.
 
Ok wait..I think I am asking XY question
My error is
AttributeError: Neither 'BinaryExpression' object nor 'Comparator' object has an attribute 'selectable'
 
12:54 AM
Debating getting a MBP... thoughts?
 
yesterday, by davidism
The solution, as always, is to use Linux.
 
What's an MBP?
 
Most best player
Unless you're referring to programming, in which case, I have no idea.
 
*Macbook Pro
 
Macbook pros are pretty good, as long as the price isn't a problem
I use one for programming, can't say I have any real complaints
 
1:08 AM
You're always going to be fighting it a little more than if you just went full Linux. Not as much as Windows though.
 
Cabbage
 
eh, mac is more or less close enough to linux
 
@MitchPomery I dare think it foolish to say that there are any greater words.
 
Wha? It's too early for this
I'm lost
 
1:17 AM
@User2403 sopython.com/chatroom do not post recent questions
also you appear to be using one or more alternate accounts, which is not allowed
 
No, its not my account we are two friends working on a project
I asked him to post question and then shared likn here
and off course we are very new to python
 
user559633
@corvid lol same!
 
@tristan were you interested in The Witness?
I can't remember who else was looking forward to it.
 
I am, I just need to get a PS4.
 
It's out for Steam on Windows as well.
 
user559633
1:22 AM
oh wow this "meow meow i am a cat" video is really long
 
I got it for PS4, it is pretty cool.
 
Oh, really? Nice, I'll have to give it a shot.
 
user559633
@davidism Yeah -- I forgot about it, but it looks cool
 
user559633
1:35 AM
@RobertGrant Rocked. Past tense. Something you want to say into the NSA/Big Brother microphone?
 
3:56 AM
Ok, everybody, you see where davidism said "use Linux" and there's only 3 stars? Star that stuff.
 
4:09 AM
Martijn Pieters has now hit 15000 answers. Congrats @MartijnPieters !!!!
 
4:31 AM
Hi people, can somebody help me with a script?
I have something like this...
case1.com test test
case2.com ready test
case3.com ready tested
case4.com test tested
case5.com test tested
case6.com test test
case7.com test test
case8.com test test
case9.com test tested
case9.com test test
casea.com ready tested
but... 50k registers.
I need to check hoy many are "test test", how many are "ready test" and how many are "test tested"
 
is it a single file?
 
Yeah
But are not always in different lines
can be in the same line...
Like...
case1.com test test case2.com ready test
 
Use a Counter
 
@PM2Ring I will check
Thanks a lot!
 
lol
 
4:40 AM
What's up Aaron?
 
probably easiest way is to do (without testing) import re, collections; collections.Counter(re.findall('(test test|ready test|test tested)', f.read()))
 
Great!
I will test right now
 
By without testing, I mean I didn't test it...
 
Yeah, i understand you... I am trying in this moment.
 
If you couldn't hold the whole thing in memory, you should iterate over the file and use re.finditer. I also presume you know how to open a file.
 
4:49 AM
@AaronHall It works.
Yes, i know hot to open the file.
I have to improve a lot in regex
I am very beginner still in Python
Thanks a lot for your help man
 
read the docs, answer questions, you'll learn fast
read the source too
cheers
 
Thanks for the advice!, I will follow that. I am trying to advance quickly, to learn more... Greetings!.
 
going to bed, good night everybody.
 
5:06 AM
hello
can any one give me a commadn through which i can fetch mails by the email id
 
@AaronHall no need to ()
 
???
 
@hussain your question is a bit vague... and a bit broad...
Python has imaplib, see the example, the fetch finds a message by its id
 
i have fetched the mails through IMAP only
but i have done through the "subject of mail "
now i want to do through email id
 
5:22 AM
@Victornez Will cases ever be split across lines?
 
6:10 AM
I guess @Victornez disappeared while I was away from the computer. Oh well. Here's some code I wrote that processes data line by line. It handles multiple cases per line but it assumes cases aren't split across lines. This code reads data from a list of lines, but it should be easy to adapt it to getting the data from a file line by line.
from collections import Counter

def split_cases(data):
    for cases in data:
        cases = cases.replace(' case', '\ncase').splitlines()
        for line in cases:
            yield line.rstrip().split(None,1)[1]

counts = Counter(split_cases(data))
for k, v in counts.most_common():
    print(k, v)
 
6:53 AM
@AnttiHaapala it helped me thanks
 
7:33 AM
Hi, Anybody there?
 
user559633
no
 
@tristan : Hi, i am stuck in subprocess.check_output()
Can u help me with that?
 
user559633
@Chirag Read the room rules.
 
Oh,, Sorry
Yes, so how to handle " returned non-zero exit status 1" for subprocess.check_output()
 
@Chirag so why are you using check_output?
check_output raises an exception that you need to cathc
 
7:45 AM
I have to store the output of it into a buffer, and then i have write that buffer into somefile
I tried redirecting stodout with that file's descriptor, and executed instruction through os.system()
stdout is redirected but ouput of os.system() is not getting redirected to that file,
 
 
1 hour later…
9:03 AM
Cbg all.
 
Big bro is watching me, I've just upvoted some answer, and got a pop up saying that I haven't upvoted questions for a while, and they need love too.
 
^ I get that loads
 
9:23 AM
cbg
 
morning cabbage
 
This is something new: dropbox.com/s/vmiqwhztv354gc4/…
can an "anonymous user" edit posts?
 
9:39 AM
@Chirag Still having the problem?
 
Yes
I have asked this question,
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/35033496/python-subprocess-check-ouput-hangs-while-installing-rpm
 
@Chirag so you've asked a question, please copy all the details from this, alongside with verbatim copy of the rpm output to your question
also, if you can reveal the name of the package, because it is slightly important (does it have a space or not)
 
user559633
@Chirag Did you read the room rules yet?
 
@AnttiHaapala Package is our product package, i am able to install it through writing the same command on terminal, also throguh python i am able to install the package but only problem i am facing is it is not going furthur,
 
re-cbg
 
user559633
9:48 AM
cbg
 
there is no space in package name.
 
Yes, I was getting the "you haven't voted on questions for a while" message last week. So I voted on a bunch of them. Mostly down-votes. :evil grin:
 
@Chirag then provide all the details in your question. You've asked a question on the main site. If I have the answer, I will answer it in your question, so that I get rep.
Currently, I don't have an answer. And I do not have a clue as to what-why-where.
 
I saw a suggested edit from an anonymous user in the last day or so. I'm n9ot happy with that concept. It looks like a recipe for mass vandalism, IMHO. I guess that the user's IP is a defacto id (like on Wikipedia), but in this day & age of dynamic IPs I don't think that's adequate.
 
@AnttiHaapala i guess i have provided all information in my question, can you please tell me what else is required?
 
9:53 AM
are you sure that the rpm process ends if you use the former code. If it doesn't, this is not even a Python question.
 
Yes, 100% Sure
and also using python also it is getting installed, but only problem is it is not executing below instruction and just stuck there
 
10:17 AM
Any Python 3 experts want to take a look at this little conundrum? stackoverflow.com/questions/35033985/…
My guess is that the Nones are coming from the StopIteration, as mentioned here "When the underlying iterator is complete, the value attribute of the raised StopIteration instance becomes the value of the yield expression". But I don't get why the Nones only appear in the 2nd example.
 
turns out a dup with an answer from MP
there's something wrong with that if you need this level of dis to explain it.
 
closed
 
@bereal I think i get it. But I'll probably have to read Martijn's answer a few more times. :)
 
10:31 AM
Just got 4 upvotes in as many minutes on that.
 
@MartijnPieters ^dupe target
 
Ah, thanks.
 
and now 1 more :P
 
2 more actually.
 
well I only added 1
 
10:32 AM
Ah, no, there was a vote on an unrelated answer.
 
@MartijnPieters That's your reward for explaining the bewildering behaviour of that bug. :)
I just had an opportunity to mention heapq. But I didn't post any heapq code, since the OP wants to use bisect. But hopefully they'll take a look at heapq: it deserves more love. :) stackoverflow.com/q/35032601/4014959
 
heap is my favourite data structure
 
mine is hash table
 
mine is heap
hash tables suck :D
hash tables are the php of data structures :D
 
Hash table masterrace
 
10:43 AM
you can get things done pretty nicely in 80 % of cases,
and 20 % everything breaks apart
 
@AnttiHaapala The Python dict is a hash table. Are you saying Python sucks? WHAT ARE YOU STILL DOING HERE!
 
... especially if someone else wants to hurt you
@MartijnPieters yes, python. dict. does. suck.
 
burn the heretic!
 
@AnttiHaapala Heaps are simple, yet elegant. But hash tables have their uses, too. So calling them "the php of data structures" is a little harsh, IMHO. ;)
 
@AnttiHaapala What you mean breaks apart? Almost always, hash maps are O(1)
 
10:45 AM
they're the php of data structures
@khajvah except when they are not
like qsort. Almost always it is O(n lg n)
but then sometimes it is not
 
Well, even if it's not, it's not too bad
 
btw, regarding qsort's worst case, does it make sense to shuffle the array before sorting?
 
plus, if you plan to have lots of collisions, just choose another data structure
 
no one ever does.
@bereal it does
but the problem with qsort is also: it has poor locality
so it thrashes cache
 
10:47 AM
what would do better from locality point of view?
 
I'll admit that a "one size fits all" hashing function isn't always going to work well. And even if you do have a good hashing function for your data there's no way to avoid horrible hash collisions, except when you have a closed data set where you can create a perfect hash function.
 
@bereal merge sort
@bereal so, qsort sucks for sorting already sorted data
 
Or if the keys form a dense group (or can be transformed into a dense group), radix sort.
 
you do sorted(reverse(range(100000))) with qsort and you will have O(n^2)
 
Let's just agree that you gotta choose the correct data structure/algorithm for each problem.
 
10:49 AM
you do that in timsort, it is O(n)
in python you cannot choose a correct data structure for HTTP form values:D
because it does not exist in the stdlib
 
@AnttiHaapala I like to live dangerously :D
 
so above^ there was a case that "sort an already almost sorted list"
that is where timsort excels. That is also where qsort would be fucked up
anyway, quicksort is not quick
 
@AnttiHaapala There should be third-party libraries for those.
 
@AnttiHaapala Yeah, ok. But hash randomization fixes that exploit.
 
10:53 AM
@PM2Ring it just makes it slightly harder
you cannot re-randomize it in a running process
 
So what you are saying is it's better to have a guaranteed complexity than slightly lower average case one/
 
like, address space layout randomization is not an obstacle, it is a challenge... as in invitation to engage
 
@AnttiHaapala Fair point. But it does mean that the attacker has to adjust their DoS data on the fly in response to the server behaviour, they can't generate the colliding data in advance.
 
@khajvah yes.
 
@PM2Ring How can you "detect" the server's behaviour?
 
10:58 AM
@khajvah By the speed with which it responds.
 
the server will use the hash table everywhere
 
If you're attempting a DoS attack you know it may be working when the response time starts to lag.
 
if it generates links with query strings, it will leak the hash key in the ordering of keys
 
The problem is detecting if they are exploitable or not
 
@khajvah builtwith.com
 
11:02 AM
@AnttiHaapala You will find out the programming language. Is that enough?
not the version, not anything more.
 
I just broke my own rule about not editing horrible questions. But it was so ugly I had to do something. :) Besides, it had an edit pending approval.
 
11:17 AM
"Test your program with several different class and student names"
 
11:50 AM
@tristan taps on mic I meant the present perfect-complete tense sense of things, m'lud
 
Here's a cute algorithm for turning numbers into pronounceable strings of letters: stackoverflow.com/a/35036450/4014959 I can't recall seeing that one before.
 
Cambridge station is currently closed, apparently they found a WW2 shell in the toilette!
Any one from Cambridge?
 
12:13 PM
Martijn is
Although who spells it toilette?
 
I use z-shell instead.
germans
 
12:57 PM
@thefourtheye Great day to be working from home then!
\o/ My timing is, once again, flawless.
station is open again: hertsandessexobserver.co.uk/…
 
@MartijnPieters Ya, he tweeted after sometime saying it is open again :-)
 
> You don't have permission to access "... /story.html" on this server.
Weird
 
@vaultah Geolocation perhaps? Weird indeed.
 
Hmm, maybe my ISP is to blame. I can't open that one either, but both work fine through a proxy
 
1:18 PM
The Server in response headers is AkamaiGHost
 
@PM2Ring: So where is int = float declared in the OP code? :-P
 
user559633
Weird, yeah, that link won't work on StarLink, but will work from my US proxy
 
user559633
tl;dr workers dug up what they thought was a bomb at the train station. ended up being old munitions
 
user559633
Oh, just read and processed the above conversation. Happy post-nap "morning" everyone.
 
@MartijnPieters Somehow, I forgot about the int conversion there. :) Sorry about that. :oops:
dupe stackoverflow.com/questions/35038413/… You may like to find a more specific dupe target.
 
1:35 PM
@PM2Ring Got it for you. :)
 
1:47 PM
All that talk earlier about friction reminded me of this classic track: Friction by the New York 1970s punk band, Television. Tom' Verlaine's vocal style is a bit quirky, but I think it suits this song perfectly.
 
Morning cabbage.
 
user559633
cbg
 
How's everyone doing today?
 
Cbg!
Good, good. You?
 
2:02 PM
I'm fine
 
Came in today to a bunch of angry emails from a client who has a tendency to decide that anything and everything is the end of the world. It's gonna be a fun day.
 
That's why you never run DoomsDay.exe
 
It's especially fun because the issue seems to be that Windows has a corrupted DLL. So it's not even my fault. :P
 
maj
2:18 PM
Hey everyone, I have a quick question that seems unsuited for the real stackoverflow: I need a python module for parsing nquads, found this one: github.com/nxparser/nxparser, and I'm not sure if it's because I haven't worked with python for a while or because the folder is so large, but I don't seem to be able to install it. Can anybody help out? I'm using Python 3.3.3.
 
cbg
 
@maj Provided you use the Jython implementation
 
eww, jython
 
maj
@Programmer Hmm... I read that... Are you saying that this module can't be used with the normal Python at all? I've had a look at the Jython website but I couldn't right away tell how different Jython is...
 
why ew?
 
2:28 PM
@maj You need to use Jython.
 
maj
@Programmer Okay, I see, thanks. I guess then I'll have to go look for another module.
 
Rhubarb
 
maj
@PM2Ring I'll have a look at that.
 
Strong trolling there.
 
2:33 PM
@JRichardSnape sadly, it's not. It's 4chan.
 
@maj Oh, that's not a module. sopython.com/salad
 
@khajvah I thought trolling was the raison d'etre for 4chan
 
I mean, most of those guys still preach to C and hate everything else.
 
maj
@MorganThrapp Thanks for the heads up, I'd never heard of that before :D
 
2:38 PM
@khajvah 1337 haxorz use C FTW
@maj You could try this. Only the result of a google, but might get you going : github.com/RDFLib/rdflib
 
maj
@JRichardSnape Yes, okay. I have found github.com/benosteen/RDFLib-NQuads-parser (seems to be a module extending rdflib) as well, but I seem to be getting an error message on import, and I can't tell why (rdflib is installed).
 
> I seem to be getting an error message on import
pass your message, caller.
 
maj
@JRichardSnape Maybe rdflib is sufficient already, I'll have to look into that
 
@JRichardSnape high-level simpletons can never code in glorious low-level C and Assembly.
 
maj
>>> import rdflib
INFO:rdflib:RDFLib Version: 4.2.1
>>> import rdflib_nquads
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "<pyshell#2>", line 1, in <module>
import rdflib_nquads
File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1565, in _find_and_load
File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1532, in _find_and_load_unlocked
File "C:\Python33\lib\site-packages\rdflib_nquads-0.1-py3.3.egg\rdflib_nquads.py", line 88
def quads(self, (s,p,o)):
^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax
 
2:44 PM
int $0x80
@maj I psychically divine that you are using Python 3 (quite rightly). That module (rdflib_nquads) is 5 years old and unmaintained, so is using syntax that is OK in Python 2, but invalid in 3
Stick to using Py3. Either use rdflib raw, or patch up that code so it's Py 3 compatible. If you're feeling super-generous, fork the repo and fix it up and offer it to the world.
 
@JRichardSnape You psychically read the file path in the traceback? ;)
Which, speaking of, why are you using 3.3?
 
Ahh - @morgan. That's why you earn the big bucks ;) I didn't - but I shoulda - it would have saved me a few keystrokes in testing my intuition.
 
>>> #in python 2.7:
>>> def f(a, (b,c,d)):
...     pass
...
>>> #works fine

>>> #in python 3.X:
>>> def f(a, (b,c,d)):
  File "<stdin>", line 1
    def f(a, (b,c,d)):
             ^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax
>>> #not legal syntax
To verify Snape's conclusion
 
@JRichardSnape Ha, yeah, big bucks.
 
maj
@MorganThrapp I'm using 3.3(.3) just because that's the kind that I started learing once - I haven't been using python much lately, but I get along fine.
 
2:52 PM
@maj You can upgrade to 3.5 without losing any of your learned knowledge and it'll work with more things.
 
maj
@MorganThrapp I'll keep that in mind.
Any more advice for the avid learner? Otherwise I'd say thanks and bye for the moment.
 
@maj To get you going try this (as that function never seems to be called, you might not even need this). Replace def quads(self, (s,p,o)): with def quads(self, t): and then make the first line of that function s,p,o = t
That's in this file: C:\Python33\lib\site-packages\rdflib_nquads-0.1-py3.3.egg\rdflib_nquads.py although I'm sure you could guess that.
For no apparent reason, I like the fact that apells the word spot.
 
maj
3:06 PM
@JRichardSnape I suppose you can tell me how I can access this file? I'm not sure if it's because of the .egg "extension", but my explorer doesn't seem to recognize this file/find it if I enter the folder that it's supposed to be in.
 
stackoverflow.com/questions/34976218/… dupe of stackoverflow.com/questions/25504149/…, op agreed it was a dupe after my hammer was reopened
 
TIL that list comprehensions are 35% faster than for loops and 45% faster than the map function
 
I'm finally dropping my "small" learning project today, after wasting 4 years of my life on it
 
@corvid they are not, but they are faster at building a list than using list.append() in a loop.
The for part (the iteration) is going at the very same speed.
 
why do you lie to me internet? ;_;
 
3:12 PM
map() with a lambda is indeed slower than a list comp. Try testing with a C function too though; map(int, ['1', '2', '3']) may well beat a list comprehension..
 
@maj Sorry didn't notice the egg in the pathname (I'm on bad form today). The egg is basically a zip file - so I guess you can open it with a zip unpacker alter the file and pack it back into the archive. It might be easier to unpack it to a folder. TBH I've never really used .egg stuff directly - there may be others around who can give you better advice...
@vaultah :( that sounds frustrating
 
Well, here it is github.com/vaultah/L At least I learned a lot :]
3
 
user559633
@vaultah Hey, this is cool.
 
thanks :)
But I'm not sure it still works
 
user559633
also, i like the idea of just open sourcing a project when you decide it's done. i have a dead-date on the project i'm on of Nov 1.
 
user559633
3:19 PM
@vaultah Cool, so you wrote software then.
 
haha yeah, I posted screenshots from this commit
 
Nice. I agree - it's a good idea to open source it.
 
user559633
What does the L stand for?
 
I thought about "lights" or "elevated", but it has no definite meaning, really
 
user559633
ha, cool
 
user559633
i didn't know you could do def x(*, a):
 
That forces each argument to be keyword right?
 
I dun goofed and crashed my computer with my code
 
@QuestionC yeah
 
Filed under cool language features I won't get to use.
 
3:35 PM
That looks like it could be nice for golfing.
 
user559633
it would be the opposite of golfing
 
user559633
so i guess, lifting? [is the cleaned up one i'll use]
 
Define "complete control". Can the attacker turn off the engine? Toggle headlights? accelerate/brake? Steer?
 
3:48 PM
@Kevin Anything connected to the main electronic system. So on most modern cars, yes, all of those.
 
@vaultah Don't worry, Martijn will completely refactor it by this afternoon.
 
import antigravity and get a hovercar.
 
Is it bad practice to use two databases (a SQL and a NoSQL) in an application?
 
I am extremely skeptical of this claim.
Any article that unironically uses the term "gizmo" is more interested in scaring old people than in delivering unbiased truth
 
@Kevin I've seen a couple other groups that claim they can do this, and one or two videos of them actually doing it. Who knows how real all of them are, but it's definitely a viable attack vector.
 
3:51 PM
@corvid Yes.
 
The ODBII port is the usual attack vector, but I wouldn't be overly surprised to learn that the CD Player would be vulnerable too.
 
I think I've heard of similar attacks.
 
user559633
@corvid depends on the size of the application and the need
 
user559633
i use postgres, redis, and elasticsearch on my current project because it makes sense
 
@tristan I want to use mongo for "temporary" or unimportant data, but postgres to hold data that must be consistent
 
user559633
3:54 PM
yeah, i'm using ES as a "scratch space" and a search engine
 
Yeah, I thought that was actually pretty common. Use something like Mongo or Redis to cache data in RAM and then dump it to the HDD when changes get made.
 
DSM
Morning cabbage.
 
cbg, DSM
 
user559633
adding more technical stacks isn't free in terms of overhead for maintenance and learning curve, but if it prevents some DIY hacky thing...
 
I actually kind of like mongodb aggregation for most operations .-. it's so fast to write and straight forward, seems great for rapid prototyping
 
user559633
4:04 PM
yeah -- i typically just caution against trying to bend "real data persistence" to fit mongodb/nosql lax-ness when storing "for realzies"
 
user559633
e.g. if it's going to sql, let it be structured -- don't do multiple de-normalized copies and update in code
 
Mainly using it for more ephemeral data that is prone to change quickly and often. So for example, locations of things that could change a lot. Then it just has a field that references the "real" sql data if they need to look it up
 
4:28 PM
Hello all, i got an object and i'm totally new to Python, can someone give me the syntax to access it ? Can i paste code here or it's spam ?
```    @property
    def running_time_ratio(self):
        """
        Percentage of time running over total session length.
        """
        if not self.training_length:
            return 0
        else:
            running_time = float(
                self.run_set.aggregate(
                    models.Sum('duration')).get('duration__sum') or 0) / 1000
            return running_time / self.training_length```
 
some_variable.running_time_ratio would do it.
 
And here is how i'm trying to accessing it, but it just returns me a Proprety Object :/


```   @property
    def speed_score(self):
      running_ratio = TrainingReport.running_time_ratio
      print running_ratio
```
some_variable ?
 
property needs an instance. It looks like self.running_time_ratio should work.
 
I need to get the return of the function
 
Yes. Try self.running_time_ratio.
 
4:31 PM
Ok fine i'm trying this
(note that TrainingReport is the name of my class, wich contains both of my methods)
Well, it worked thanks @Kevin !
(Probably one of the newbish questions that you got here)
 
I'll answer questions of any skill level as long as it's posed in a clear manner.
 
DSM
That sounds like an invitation to nerd-sniping. ;-)
 
@Kevin if there were a proof that P = NP, what would it be?
 
The answer is: I don't know.
 
Yeah yeah :)
 
4:34 PM
;-)
Either you are entering digits (characters), or you are entering a number. Numbers don't start with 0; that's not part of their numeric value. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
I'm sooo tempted to write "well actually, the number 0 starts with 0..."
 
DSM
Heh.
 
Shots fired
 
user559633
what about -0
 
What about my phone number
 
negative zero starts with "-". Let us not dwell on the fact that a number can have multiple equivalent representations.
Don't even get me started on 0.999...
 
user559633
4:38 PM
why do numbers and words both the periods? are numbers just special kinds of words?
 
There's a 1-to-1 mapping between integers and strings, so sort of.
 
Well you see when 8 bits decide they love each other..
 
user559633
I'm listening...
 
they make a byte
 
First they move to Utah...
 
user559633
4:49 PM
and then?
 
And then they discover it was pointless because 8-way marriage isn't legal there despite what they gathered from watching Sister Wives on TLC
 
user559633
can numbers even be mormon?
 
Well if we go by Air Bud rules, everything is allowed as long as it isn't explicitly forbidden.
 
user559633
I'm sorry, when wouldn't we be under air bud rules?
 
There's no law saying we aren't, so therefore we are.
Unless there is, in which case we aren't.
 
user559633
4:55 PM
We are.
 
In any case, Numbers makes up 20% of the Pentateuch so I'd say they have an "in" for basically any Abrahamic religion they like.
 
Man I want to find the "and thennn?" clip from Dude where's my car?
 
No "and then!"
 
user559633
i preferred the book
 
"Explicitly forbidden" is something like weasel words
 

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