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12:29 AM
@JonClements Thanks for the kind welcome. I expect I will wander this way again - especially if I have matters Pythonic to discuss.
 
 
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5:01 AM
cbg all
 
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Q: Dates and time in python: moment vs arrow vs dolorean

ManuelDealing with dates and times in Python is the only thing I hate more than dealing with unicode. Problems are too many modules with overlapping functionality: datetime, time, calendar, dateutil, pytz most objects are naïve to time zones converting between time zones is tedious and error prone no...

:( wish this was ontopic as such
 
That's the most well asked off topic question I've seen in a while.
 
5:16 AM
One would prefer a more specific question right? That is too much problem in one question!
 
cbg
 
cbg
 
@tilaprimera I added a comment to the question, but basically, an appropriate question would be to ask about a problem using one of the libraries, not just a recommendation.
 
Hi All Good Morning..
 
cabbage
 
5:21 AM
the guy could use this chatroom for such discussion...
 
i need to know how to crop detected area on face from an image using opencv or PIL...
can anyone help me to do this..
i detected the face from an image...
 
You have the coordinates?
 
yes..
 
if you are on python opencv, cv2 interface then all the opencv images are treated as numpy array. and thereby allows slicing operations such as.
image[y1:y2, x1:x2]
 
i used PIL
 
5:25 AM
Pillow provides ImageOps.crop and Image.crop.
 
@PythonTeam do check SO and PIL documentation for crop/roi
 
ok will try and tell u..
 
Also, remember to use Pillow. PIL is not maintained.
 
If you are using opencv cv2 already, then that simple slice is sufficient to get your face area.
 
howdy peeps :)
 
5:35 AM
cabbage @Swordy
 
cbg
 
cbg
 
@Swordy peeps:
 
bloodbath lol :D
a tie isn't a nice way for a battle to end
and then following it up with a group fight looks like he was trying to make up for it
 
openerp, how is this?
 
5:44 AM
 
6:03 AM
@AnttiHaapala @davidism It's like advanced jeopardy.. "Phrase it as a question! No, a question about a problem!"
 
21
A: Why are "shopping list" questions bad?

Shog9Irritatingly, the terms "shopping list question" (or "shopping question") and "recommendation question" are often thrown around without regard to what they originally meant. They're different, but since there is some overlap and very little care paid to how they're used, I'll attempt to define bo...

 
@AnttiHaapala delorean mispelled. maybe someone could fix it?
Oh, and cabbage.
 
Cbg all
 
@Manuel If you reword it as you mention in your comment, it will still be off topic.
See the answer I linked above for an explanation.
 
cbg @FaheemMitha @Ffisegydd @Manuel
 
6:08 AM
cabbage @Ffisegydd
I know about the 500 errors, there's no error checking going on behind the scenes, and the API wrapping is very thin right now.
This would be a good long term goal: to produce a python wrapper for the SE API.
 
hiya all
 
cabbage @vaultah
 
cbgg @vaultah
 
@tilaprimera context locals are proxies to an object in the current thread. For instance, request, session, and g are context locals in Flask.
 
6:13 AM
@davidism proxies as in reference or copies?
 
As in proxies. You don't know the actual object, but any operations to the proxy are passed on to it.
This way, you don't need to pass objects around in all your functions.
For instance, Django does not use a local proxy for request, so it is passed as the first argument to each view. With Flask, you just import request when you need it.
 
which object does the function operate on?
 
The function is called on the proxy, which finds the real object and calls the same function on it.
 
this is to make it threadsafe?
 
I'm not sure if that's the purpose.
Each thread will use the same proxy but each will reference a different thread local real object behind the scenes.
@Manuel I like the Babel library, but I can't say whether it will be good for your situation.
@tilaprimera are you trying to do something with this, or just understanding it?
 
6:19 AM
i am reading flask-docs and working on the snippets of code/trying to understand, yes
 
6:41 AM
@davidism there already are some python wrappers for the so api. But you should go to bed so we can discuss them this afternoon /morning :p
 
I didn't see anything recent, but I haven't looked too hard. You're right about sleep, rhubarb. :)
 
1
Q: How to use MySQL database along with python module: Zipline, used for backtesting trading algorithms?

user3792657I already have an SQL database of securities with OHLC etc and anything else I may need. Instead of downloading the data from Yahoo, what is the best way to pick up the data from the DB?

Can anyone help me with this
 
7:15 AM
waiting for a comment from Ffisegydd abt the above link
 
7:32 AM
:0 you just broke one of the 14 commandments
Tho shall never link ones recently posted questions in the room
 
7:48 AM
Cbg :)
 
8:06 AM
cbg all (in the office, now time to go back to sleep...)
 
Ok... going to have to face the embarrassment of asking 'what does CBG mean?' after 10mins of google all I get is 'Creepy Bald Guy' or 'Comic Book Guy' :(
 
@Phillip-Marsden temp.sopython.com/salad
 
ahhhh
There's me thinking I was getting old and loosing touch with the youth :@ (I am 21'
 
You are getting old and losing touch with youth, but it has nothing to do with not understanding what 'cbg' means.
 
my life is over :'(...
 
8:19 AM
If it's any consolation: youth is over-rated. I much prefer being an old cynical man.
 
least you can listen to Johnny Cash without being ridiculed as an old man
 
Damn straight.
 
So do you work for Stackoverflow?
 
No lol.
The rooms are ran by volunteers (so called "room owners") so I'm just an RO with about 8 other regulars.
 
Ahhh
I have come a little closer to understanding how the world works.
 
8:24 AM
ROs kinda choose the rules of the room but it's not really enforceable. We ask people not to post new questions but we can't actually stop them.
We can remove posts but not prevent people from posting.
 
I see, so kinda like PCSO's of the police world - have the uniform but not the same powers
 
Then again if people take the pi** spamming stuff then they're unlikely to get any help at all so they'll just be wasting their time and in that sense I suppose it is enforceable :P
 
ahh good :)
So why a Python room?
 
What do you mean? We all program/use/love Python :P
There's other rooms of course, C++, C, JS, PHP.
 
I just wonder why Python? (I am not denying its greatness) but why you guys prefer it
 
8:28 AM
There's even some rooms that are language agnostic like a room for teenage programmers to chat with each other.
 
8:55 AM
Would someone be kind enough to fix the delorean typo? It is kind of bugging me. I don't have the rep to fix it myself, and it is too small a change to make without rep - stackoverflow.com/q/24879183/350713
Never mind, I see some other minor changes I can make. I'll take care of it.
 
i installed localtunnel via pip install, and it can be imported by python but i can not run it in a terminal. what is the problem?
gem install did not find the respository localtunnel.
 
Are you using a virtualenv?
 
how do i check that?
i have only one version of python running.
python --version
Python 2.7.8
 
Using a virtualenv is something you have to manually choose so I doubt you are.
Do you have something like (venv) \dir\name $ (so a (venv) before your terminal beginning)?
 
i had removed it.
drwxr-xr-x  2 tilaprimera tilaprimera  4096 Jul  5 12:23 .virtualenvs
i installed flask system-wide
 
9:10 AM
Sorry I've got to run to the lab before one of the other PhD students blows something up.
rbrb.
 
Wonder what kind of lab that is...
 
meth lab
 
hehe
he is making chemical X!
 
Is that not how the powerpuff girls were made?
 
yup
just so you know : he is doing in PhD in physics : ) his thesis is in "glasses under extreme conditions"
 
9:16 AM
Good old powerpuff girls, wonder what they are upto now?
probably addicted to drugs and doing porn
 
lets not judge
 
OOo, sounds good! - so he gets to hit glass teardrops with hammers and watch them withstand the pressure until you snap its tail softly
 
it could be more detrimental than normal emotions can show.
 
:o
and what about yourself? are you on stackoverflow during work?
 
something like that
but on this chatroom only.
 
9:25 AM
haha, good! dont want you being a traitor and going in another room, mingling with those pesky C# guys...
 
and you?
 
Yeah I am at work :/
being a slave to the system
Someone has to test these new systems it may as well be me
 
back.
We tried making Chemical X once. Tastes of vanilla.
 
any powerpuff girls?
 
9:40 AM
Nope. Just a disciplinary hearing with a warning not to drink the chemicals.
 
The trick is not to get caught - if you get away with it its not a crime
 
No the trick is to get into such a position of power that you don't even have to worry about getting caught as nothing will happen.
 
dictatorship , u mean @Ffisegydd?
 
:o damn the older generations...
 
Not necessarily distatorship.
 
9:44 AM
no respect for the youth
 
That's right, damn me, at my ripe, old age of 25...
 
25, double damn you
where are you studying?
 
Bath
 
Ah, final year?
 
PhD final year yes
 
9:47 AM
Cool
I start my final year in Sept :S scary times..
So what are you doing with glass?
 
Studying atomic structure of it
 
:o
but, but the 14 commandments...
 
9:58 AM
stands for "Close Vote Please"
And we use it to ask other members to CV bad questions
 
cbg @Jon
 
I thought the question was being 'marketed'
 
@Ffisegydd STEWIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
@Jon BRIIIIIAN!
 
10:04 AM
Hi Jon
 
cbg @user3620828
@Ffisegydd the new website looks nice on mobile too :)
 
@Jon yeah that's one of the big advantages of Bootstrap, don't have to worry about stuff like that so much.
 
Trying to work out what resources we need for nidaba
 
I've been thinking about it recently as well. I'm glad we've got the website sorted because there's no point analysing data if you're not going to be able to show it properly, and davidism's re-build of the site gives us a good framework to work on.
I think the next stage is getting the database up to date and having it update itself automatically in real time.
 
There's already (primitive) code for that
 
10:10 AM
I think we'll continue with mongodb though that's up for discussion as well, if there is a better database structure then we can always change. I saw you speaking to Inspector Gadget the other night, hopefully he'll come online and be able to give some advice or get directly involved depending on how busy he is.
 
hi guys, has anybody ever use openshift to deploy flask? what value should SECRET_KEY assign to? is it I generate randomly or use os.environ['OPENSHIFT_SECRET_TOKEN']? Please help.
 
Well, I suggested mongo cos it's easy for you to get involved and to get into some non-sql
 
davidism has chosen PostgreSQL and SQLAlchemy for the sopython website.
 
fantastic DB and the best ORM there is
 
Whether it'd be easier to use PostgreSQL as well? Dunno.
I've done some SQL in the past, the basics anyway.
 
10:13 AM
What'd be great for what we ultimately what to achieve is Hive/Pig
 
os.urandom(24) can be used for that secret_key
as per the flask-docs
>>> import os
>>> os.urandom(24)
’\xfd{H\xe5<\x95\xf9\xe3\x96.5\xd1\x01O<!\xd5\xa2\xa0\x9fR"\xa1\xa8’
Just take that thing and copy/paste it into your code and you’re done
 
But for now, let's just keep it as simple as we can... we can scale later
 
@Jon yes looking at Hive it does sound like a good choice.
I really wish we could get our hands on what they've done behind the scenes on SO (as spoken about in that podcast)
Vowpal Wabbit looks good and we've found a Python wrapper for it.
 
I've heard good things about the Pyramid web framework. Is anyone here using it?
Used to be Pylons, or something. I've never used it - only ever used Django.
 
@tilaprimera thanks for the quick reply.
 
10:18 AM
:D i had the flask-doc open and ready :D no prob
 
What should I do with my answer to a duplicate question? I wasn't sure it was a duplicate
 
@vaultah is it a good answer?
 
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Q: How to redirect Python's subprocess.call() output to file?

DanijelI call an exe tool from Python: args = '-i' + inputFile cl = ['info.exe', args] subprocess.call(cl) How would I redirect output from the info.exe to out.txt?

Yes, 4 votes and accepted
 
Meh. Leave it.
 
I actually like Pyramid :)
 
10:21 AM
@JonClements Have you used it for much stuff?
 
pyramid vs flask..... which one? new to both!
 
@Ffisegydd anyway... good opportunity for you I think. I don't have the time. You want to learn new stuff (interested in data analytics etc...). Like, I've said before, it's your project now - I'll be about to stop you walking off the cliff :)
 
@tilaprimera is flask an alternative to pyramid? i thought it was a micro framework.
I didn't really like Django. And the devs weren't very nice.
 
I don't think in any reasonable sense that Flask and Pyramid are comparable :)
 
oh
: / what is a micro framework?
 
10:24 AM
sighs I forget to eat breakfast, brb
 
@tilaprimera eh I just find this good article openshift.com/blogs/online-release-for-october-2013. It just tell me to use OPENSHIFT_SECRET_TOKEN
 
@tilaprimera I guess, really, really small. :-) I've never used it either.
 
i guess i need to read carefully. i am very new in this stuff. : /
 
"flask vs pyramid" gives some hits, as you would expect...
 
@Ffisegydd other options (to give a hint) is to use Couch with Cassandra
 
10:30 AM
@JonClements: I wasn't asking for spare drives yesterday, btw. :-P
I wanted to know where people in the know buy drives online.
Dear lazyweb: Where to go to get a good deal on buying hard disks, in the UK? I need 2 new drives for the NAS, each 3TB.
 
@MartijnPieters oh... well, I normally look at dabs
Matt normally deals with hardware... I'll give him a bell in a bit... see where we get stuff from
 
The dabs.com reference is already helpful, that's one more website I didn't know about.
 
Eww, installing Pyramids on Debian appears to pull in Zope. I hate Zope. And why does it install Zope? Am I missing something?
 
lol
 
@FaheemMitha Pyramid is built on specific Zope community tech.
Don't confuse the technology with the whole server, Pyramid does not use the whole Zope server.
It uses the Zope component model architecture.
 
10:42 AM
@MartijnPieters Ok. I just have horrible memories of trying to use Zope. So you are saying it uses some underlying bits?
 
Exactly.
 
@MartijnPieters I don't know what that is, but Ok.
 
No fear, you will not be subjected to the Z-shaped learning curve here.
 
@MartijnPieters Not so much a learning curve as a chamber of horrors.
No offense intended to any Zope developers who happen to be here.
 
@Martijn our uni has a contract with uk.insight.com, not sure if you'll be able to buy from them direct or whether it's a contracted thing. Other than that our IT guys recommend we use ebuyer, dabs and scan for hardware.
 
10:43 AM
I know, I used to work at Zope corp.
and no offense taken.
@Ffisegydd Thanks!
 
@MartijnPieters Do you happen to be a core Python dev? Your name sounds familiar.
 
No, not a core Python dev.
 
@MartijnPieters Ok
 
Other possibilities: I was a Zope core dev, Plone core dev, and currently the top Python question answerer on Stack Overflow.
 
@MartijnPieters Maybe you wrote some Python books too? I'm pretty sure I'm seen your name some places.
 
10:46 AM
Nope, no books.
 
@MartijnPieters Ok
 
Do you read Reddit, or Y-Combinator hacker news?
 
@MartijnPieters Sometimes.
Hacker has this annoying feature that the links become invalid after a bit. otherwise i might read it more.
 
There was an interview with me by Codementor.io that was featured on Hacker News for a day or two recently.
 
Maybe I've just read your SO answers over the years.
@MartijnPieters Link?
 
10:48 AM
Not sure how long it faired on Reddit.
 
@MartijnPieters thanks
 
@Martijn spoke to Matt... and it's reminded me why I don't speak to Matt that often :)
 
LOL!
E.g. you didn't get the info you were looking for but his kids are great at soccer?
 
What transfer speeds do you require was the first question
 
The WD greens in there are too slow, so I am looking to upgrade that to 6GB/sec or similar.
 
10:57 AM
Okay, next question was, if he wants 2x3tb disks, would he take a 6tb RAID1
then something about auxillary solid state and blah blah blah
sorry, I switched off at that point
 
erm, 6GB/sec is just the interface, not really a useful number.
I am not going to fork out for SSDs, this is a home mass storage setup, not a business solution.
That's more than fine, sorry about that.
I wanted to get tips on online buying spots, not specific hardware advice. :-P
I am probably going to go for WD Reds or similar drives from competitors.
 
I have a 200tb blade array in the basement if you're interested? :)
 
How fast can I stream HD 1080p video from it over WiFi to 2 devices at once?
Currently I cannot even get 1080p HD to one device, so I self-limit to 720p and hope no torrents pick up seeders when I do so.
 
@Martijn do they not do proper broadband in Cambridge? :)
 
They do excellent broadband. It's my storage that hasn't kept up with it..
 
11:09 AM
What do you need another 6tb for anyway :)
 
11:19 AM
@JonClements One of the WD 2TB green drives has failed.
So I am running on half the capacity and my redundancy is gone.
Replacing these with 2 3TB drives gives me just under 3TB of storage, not 6.
 
fair enough... not sure what to suggest... I only somewhat know commercial solutions
 
cbg from europython :)
 
@MartijnPieters am I being completely stupid on that support ticket I raised with linode...
As, not sure if I could rephrase it to make any more sense
@PaoloCasciello you're at europython?
 
@JonClements yes! :)
 
I hate you right now :)
 
11:33 AM
lol :D
 
say hi from the Python chatroom team for me though :)
 
sure. i'm spamming this room to everyone i speak with :D
 
let's see if we'll get some new visitor...
btw berlin is amazing... °_°
 
@PaoloCasciello really pleased to hear you're having a good time :)
 
11:37 AM
Was SO down only to me or everyone?
 
blooming work stuff, gotta run... brb
 
13:41 European time SO came back
 
rbrb @jon
 
@Paolo enjoy yourself - speak soon :)
 
This time wasn't me DDoSing really ;-)
anyway the guys who thought I was angry with them I want to ask sorry because I didn't want to come as a jark like that and didn't know you weren't ignoring me on purpose. Let's hope I keep to myself next time
 
11:42 AM
@HakanBoztepe: Be a contributing member of the community and noone will remember what may have happened in the past.
SO was not down this morning.
 
@Martijn Pieters Yes I'm trying very hard to change my behaviour and acknowledge my outbreak of the other day was a really stupid thing to do ;-)
Then it most likely was a problem with SO European DNS. Maybe Paolo Casciello can confirm?
 
for a while SO did not load fully. but then my internet was not working prob.
 
hmm i can't confirm as i joined the room only 15mins ago
 
We both live in Europe, that's why I said him
Umm.. Well then nevermind. It is ok now.
 
user559633
cbg
 
11:53 AM
Does the unconditional or mostly-unconditional programming paradigm makes sense in Python? Is there something to earn in readabality &| performance in the long term?
@tristan cbg
 
user559633
i put a little thing on pypi this morning -- an abstraction of the platform and OS modules to make writing x-platform stuff a little faster. anyone care to do a code review? github.com/tristanfisher/easyos
 
I ask because I am trying out Haskell and it seems to give some advantages in the latest thing I pointed out. Maybe it can be done with Python too
If you don't understand what unconditional programming is think about it being using builtin functions &| removing ifs and for loops.
 
user559633
you can do it, but that's not one of python's goals
 
I have no opinion on the matter, but note that & and | are bitwise operators and may have unusual behavior if you treat them as identical to and and or.
>>> if 2 & 4: print "Hello"
>>>
>>> if 2 and 4: print "Hello"
Hello
On reread, I see that you don't mean, "using the builtin functions & and | to replace if and for loops". Never mind.
 
So for you there is no "win" in avoiding code such as if cond .. elif cond .. elif cond .. for i in d .. for a in o .. being rewritten in a more unconditional way ? Not even for readability? It mayn't be Python's goals but it surely hurts readability with large programs until I'm proven wrong
@Kevin no problem :-)
 
12:07 PM
"Until I'm proven wrong". But surely the burden of proof lies upon the person making the assertion? It's you that needs to convince us that the usual way of writing code is worse than your proposed methodology.
 
12:18 PM
I would not come to the room titled python and try to diss it!
 
Well yeah "until I'm proven wrong" is such a strong word that conveys more than it should, but I was merely referring to nested conditions inside a large program shared amongst many programmers. Maybe I should've asked in a different way. Like, what do you do when you find yourself "obligated" to neste a condition inside another? Do you accept that or use other techniques such as from-dictionary static loading or what else?
 
@tilaprimera Well, negative discussion can still be constructive. The regulars complain about the GIL and badly named functions and the 2.7/3.X schism all the time.
 
@tilaprimera I'm not dissing Python, as such I use it everyday for everything from web to sys programming. Heck I've even made a Nginx module embedding Pypy interpreter because I love it. The issue if we can call it like that, is how you work around nested conditions in a large program and avoid a nightmarish spaghetti code ;-)
 
alright
 
@HakanBoztepe Now there is one of Python's goals. Flat is better than nested.
 
12:26 PM
More for readability than performance which is Python Zen.
 
I find that most of my nested conditionals can be dispelled with early return. Ex. The second of these two code samples is preferable:
def frob():
    if a:
        if b:
            for i in range(20):
                #do stuff

def frob():
    if not a: return
    if not b: return
    for i in range(20):
        #do stuff
Nested fors might be combined using the cartesian product:
def frob():
    for i in range(10):
        for j in range(10):
            for k in range(10):
                for l in range(10):
                    #do stuff

import product
def frob():
    for i,j,k,l in itertools.product(range(10), repeat=4):
        #do stuff
oops, I meant import itertools in that second sample.
 
this chatroom is my learning platform: ) i am noting down stuff, taking screenshots:D i hope that is okay!
 
More generally, when I see super nested code, I see it as a red flag that it's trying to do too much.
Ideally, a function should have one responsibility. And it usually doesn't take a zillion fors/ifs to do one thing.
 
Anyone feel like pinging me? It's for science.
 
Ok, @MartijnPieters
 
12:39 PM
Works fine here then.
 
I suspect you can get the bot in the Sandbox room to ping you on request, although I don't know what command in particular would do that.
 
Who needs a bot when you've got Trained Python Monkeys?
 
Oh right, I didn't hear the sound when @Ffisegydd mentioned me today
 
user559633
ugh, fixed my module in case anyone tried it
 
Too late, the prior version of your module burnt my house down.
 
12:42 PM
Heh, the first one is indeed ugly as "a" and "b" are the type of "ifval" conditions which don't really need nesting in that case.

What I have come across and seem to really hurt the code is something like this in a RESTful blogging engine API:

if type == "post":
if method == "POST": # yes ambigous..
...
if method == "PUT":
...
if method == "DELETE":
...
...
elif type == "reply":
if method ...

and so on (it is much longer)..

What I can think of doing here are two things. 1) Leaving as is. 2) Changing each condition to static dictionary methods.
Sorry for the bad formatting, but I'm on a crappy mobile :-/
 
#this code:
if method == "POST":
    florby = 23
if method == "PUT":
    florby = 42
if method == "DELETE":
    florby = 15
else:
    florby = 16


#could be replaced with this code.
florby = {"POST": 23, "PUT": 42, "DELETE": 15}.get(method, 16)
 
@kevin I share your thoughts on that last message 100%.
 
Variable Name Of The Week: florby
 
You might consider writing separate functions for when type is "post" and when type is "reply", if they behave in particularly different ways.
 
Yeah that's a nice way to do it.
 
12:46 PM
@Ffisegydd One of my newer metasyntactic variables. No idea where I picked it up.
 
user559633
@Kevin oh noooo
 
user559633
i didn't explicitly cover that in my license :(
 
user559633
i owe you a house
 
I worry about things I use that I can't remember where I got it. What if I subconsciously lifted it from some Harry Potter / My Little Pony crossover fanfiction that I read the night before? "I didn't know you were into that kind of thing, Kevin...". My cover is thus blown.
 
That was what I meant for static dictionary "method" which is a bad name. Anyway that wasn't my code, I'd surely move all the types in modules and call them where necessary. Must say this was likely a noob programmer.
 
user559633
12:49 PM
Well, for starters, I already knew you were into My Little Potter fanfiction
 
On the other hand, anyone that also recognizes it would probably be unwilling to blow their own cover just to spite me. So I'm probably safe.
 
It's obvious from the horse-shaped scar on your gravatar's forehead.
 
what is your favourite food? any veggetarians here?
 
My favourite food is vegetarians. Their diet really brings out the best flavours in them.
 
user559633
Mmm grass fed vegans
 
12:52 PM
so good...
 
what is the reputation to make a chatroom in SO?
 
user559633
ehh, slightly studious, mild extrovert @tilaprimera.
 
hehe, @tristan you like those vegetarian animals?? : ) i am almost vegan, you can say.
 
user559633
well, i'm sorry about your medical condition @tilaprimera
 
12:54 PM
@tristan what is that?: ) i am sorry i am not good at knowing stuff.
 
@tilaprimera I wish to become vegetarian, but my gal always find a way to make me eat meat.. and can I say no to her? Hehe
 
Have you ever noticed that they never say "no animal was harmed in the production of this language" on the Python homepage?
3
 
user559633
really makes you think, @Kevin.
 
I don't think a vegetarian could be a programmer, in good conscience.
 
user559633
"an interpreted language that won't kidnap and torture your family"
 
12:55 PM
oh god...why???
 
Have you ever noticed that we don't say "no animals were harmed during production" for this very room...
 
Hahaha didn't thought about that
 
In the Netherlands, the same country where Python was born they created meat from animal cells. Think Eindhoven university :-P
 
@kevin why why why cant vegetarians could be a programmer??: )
 

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