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2:00 PM
and a server does both things... so what do i need skydrive for? pretty useless really
 
I mean, I crammed up a whole VM in my 15gb netbook. Can't see why anyone needs that much space for a few docs.
 
maybe for those folks who don't have a server it could be useful..
 
user680786
@ChristianSciberras I need. Most tasty part of it is Windows Live Mesh en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Live_Mesh
 
yeah 25G for the average user is a bit much... but I will say it's good they give more space than is needed in most cases since many places don't give enough
 
@OZ_ I'm kind of happy with dropbox.
 
user680786
2:02 PM
It's very handy to work with files on one computer on work and continue to work with them at home
 
@Justin They include space for illegal Win8 :)
 
skydrive has a 50 megs cap for a single file.
 
@OZ_ It's never a good solution.
 
again, thats what my server is for @OZ...
 
user680786
@ChristianSciberras with Mesh you can synchronize any folder, not only "Dropbox"
 
user680786
2:02 PM
@ChristianSciberras LOL
 
user680786
@Justin your server does synchronizing between computers?
 
@OZ_ mklink "/my dropbox/anyfolder" "/anyfolder/"
@OZ_ It's hard to sync projects. I've found a web-based solution in management is better than synching project settings.
 
@OZ not necessarily no, but when I work at the office the moment I come home and open my editor -- it synchronizes itself to what's on the server
 
user680786
@ChristianSciberras settings?
 
if only kodingen was ready, I won't touch base locally any more.
@OZ_ Yeah, I love opening project in netbeans, editing files, saving & uploading to production server.
sadly, you have to keep moving settings around. And sometimes it plainly won't work.
 
user680786
2:05 PM
@ChristianSciberras and how it related?
 
Ever since I started using ZS, I can't even move projects around.
 
:-X
 
Say, anyone got a solution to this apache crap?
 
so any of you have any experience in brightscript? i get to learn that for a new client..
 
user680786
@Justin that's for what I'm using Mesh :)
 
2:07 PM
nice... i'll know who to go to for help... my client has setup an account on roku.com so he can in essence have his own tv channel...
 
well, I'm off. have fun playing with clouds guys...
 
user680786
clouds is cool
 
@OZ what language(s) is brightscript based off? because the syntax just looks weird to me..
 
b01
@Justin, I just want to know what is Brightscript?
Is that RoKU brightscript
 
user680786
@Justin what is brightscript?
 
2:13 PM
@b01 @OZ i'm not sure really at the moment lol... i've only been looking at it the last few days.. i'm guessing it's a language built specifically for roku...
 
user680786
what is ROKU?
 
user680786
feels self like a noob
 
@OZ Roku is a little hockey-puck sized piece of equipment you connect to the internet via wireless and hook it up to your tv and you can use it to browse the internet, watch movies or user-created 'tv channels'
 
b01
Its a media player/streamer for you TV
 
I've even heard of some people using it to surf the net..
 
user680786
2:16 PM
thanks
 
b01
Yeah
I wanted a Roku or boxee box, but I have Wii with WIIMC, which works for now. Plus an XBOX 360 I can connect to Media Center.
Couldn't justify paying for it
 
@ChristianSciberras What apache crap?
 
user680786
@ircmaxell he left us
 
@NikiC: you opened a bounty for that? LOL
At least it's not me that's whoring for my rep :-P
 
but yeah i have to figure out how to develop a channel for this client which means learning brightscript... i've got all the sdk info and what not... all i'm missing right now is the roku itself
 
2:20 PM
@ircmaxell :P
 
:-D
 
b01
Just to get a PHP thing in here. I noticed on the PHP ref page for HTTPRequest objects that the url field/property was supposed to have the protected modifier. I found out otherwise after doing a die on a class that extends HTTPRequest class, it is private.
 
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@b01 That's a docs issue then. Submit a bug report, or patch it yourself on edit.php.net
 
 - Properties [16] {
   Property [ <default> private $options ]
   Property [ <default> private $postFields ]
   Property [ <default> private $postFiles ]
   Property [ <default> private $responseInfo ]
   Property [ <default> private $responseMessage ]
   Property [ <default> private $responseCode ]
   Property [ <default> private $responseStatus ]
   Property [ <default> private $method ]
   Property [ <default> private $url ]
   Property [ <default> private $contentType ]
   Property [ <default> private $requestBody ]
 
that's yuck...
Are there getters at least?
 
2:24 PM
lots of
 
Well, then it's just a docs issue then :-D
 
create a bug, assign it to @ircmaxell :)
 
b01
Thanks guys. @Gordon, how did you get that Property thingy, me likey. I was looking for something like that.
 
@b01 php --rc httprequest on the command line
 
2:30 PM
@b01 what @salathe said
 
@salathe Nooooooooooo
speaking of which, I need to do more docs work
 
me too
 
b01
HA! I bet that has always been there too.
 
closed as too localized by Gordon, salathe, OZ_, NikiC, ircmaxell
 
> php --rc httprequest
Exception: Class httprequest does not exist
 
b01
2:31 PM
Before I submit a bug, I'm using PHP 5.3, were they supposed to be protected in that version?
 
Detroit!
 
b01
In da HOUSE!
 
welp time to go in to the office.. adios folks
 
@ircmaxell pecl install pecl_http :)
 
b01
Later, have fun at the Office.
 
2:35 PM
Why was this question closed: stackoverflow.com/questions/7516345/… ?
 
@b01 It's been private for the past 4 years at least (the earliest that's in svn): svn.php.net/viewvc/pecl/http/branches/R_1_4/…
 
@b01 it's a PECL extension, doesn't matter too much about the PHP version just the extension version
 
@Neal Do you think it's constructive?
 
@neal because everyone who knows anything about php knows the answer to that?
also it's widely found through google..
 
The OP doesnt obviously
So close as not constructive not as too localized
 
2:36 PM
@Neal he was pointed to the place to find the answer
 
but I found it constructive
 
he'll be back asking to echo three variables in one line soon enough
 
@Neal You did??!?
uhhh...
SO is not a replacement for a manual. Nor should it be
 
@ircmaxell yes. it could help future users
 
No!
 
2:37 PM
never said it was
 
b01
MAN! I dread getting markdowns and closing of my questions. Stackoverflow is like WOW to me, gotta get my stats up. I'm all about badges.
 
Posted by Jeff Atwood on February 22nd, 2011

On Podcast #58, Joel and I had a disagreement. Not the first, and certainly won’t be the last:

Joel says that the only bad simple question is a duplicate simple question. I say simple questions are OK as long as they’re actually interesting (in some way) for other users to consider and answer. To prove his point, Joel actually asks the question on Stack Overflow: How do I move the turtle in LOGO? Do you think this question adds value?

We still have this disagreement. Our community is now struggling with the very same issue across multiple network sites: …

 
b01
@Neal, admit it. You're just trying to get your stats up. ;)
 
@Gordon k got it
@b01 lol i ddnt answer the question, nor did I intend to
 
b01
But you only have 13 rep, I don't think you can answer questions yet
I know, when I first joined I almost asked simple questions
 
2:40 PM
@Neal No it can't for two reasons. First off, the users who would post something like that wouldn't actually search at all or put any effort in, since they could find the answer themselves if they did that. Second, we have to consider that simple questions like this, if allowed, would spawn a huge plethora of questions along the same lines. If we encourage this type of question, we're encouraging all permutations of it (3 echos. 4 echos. 15 echos. arbitrary echos).
 
@b01 huh? i do not have 13 rep.... what are you looking at?
@ircmaxell ok ok. I agree ^_^
 
which will dilute and distract from the overall benefit and strength of this site
:-D
 
@b01 I have over 23K rep...
 
b01
Oh, sorry I was looking at the person who asked the question that was closed.
 
@b01 oy....
 
b01
2:41 PM
TheBlackBenzKid. My mistake.
 
And deleted
 
imo all dups should get autodeleted
 
@ircmaxell Huh, how did you delete it? I thought one needs to wait two days or so (this is a very pointless and absurd limitation btw)
 
after a timeout
@NikiC Not if it's at -2 or lower IIRC
 
you can vote deletion when it was closed anytime
iirc
at least if it has negative votes
or whatever lol
 
2:45 PM
let's close something to test
 
-5
Q: How to split word using PHP

Tural TeyyubogluHow to split word1_word2 into word1 and word2 and assign them into separate variables?

 
@Gordon Seems to have something to do with rep, I can't cast delete votes on that one
 
I want to join ! :(
 
@NikiC ditto. edit: oh you've got way more rep than me :)
 
Ah, just checked. If you have 20k you can dv immediately.
Anybody an idea why that is so?
It doesn't make much sense to me to enforce an interval there
 
2:48 PM
posted on September 22, 2011 by Gareth Heyes

").($_[+""]|"").($_[+""]^"");

posted on September 22, 2011 by Marco Tabini

I keep coming across code like this (lifted, verbatim, from an OSS project I’ve been working with recently): $a = $num * $coeff + $_SANITIZED_GET['val']; What, in the name of all that is good and just, is “a?” Or, for that matter, what are “num” and “coeff?” Computer manufacturers, OS vendors, and programming tool developers have worked for decades to give us the ability to create identif

 
Prevent people for going on a downvote spree
 
@NikiC dont know the reason for needing 20k
@NikiC interval makes sense so the OP can actually notice his Q got deleted. You need 10k to see deleted Qs.
 
I need to use cron jobs...
but I have never done it before.
I have never even touched it, the only thing I know about it is that you can set time and intervals for the program to run files or perform operation at those times...Now the question is in my webhost, whenever a PHP script is ran, I would like to set a cronjob which should trigger or make POST request to another PHP script in the webhost....How can I do this in cron with a PHP script? I dont even know much about cron and apparently I am suppose to instruct my webhost people on what I want
so that they can set it up for me, but I cant even figure out how to use Cron or start it in webhost OR use cron on my PC I have no exp with it
 
@Gordon But can't the OP see his own deleted Q? Just like you can see your deleted As?
 
@NikiC not sure on that
 
2:52 PM
@Feeds I swear I've read exactly this article some time ago
 
@Feeds PHP has an integrated Brainf*ck interpreter now?
 
@Gordon Seems like that's to allow reopening votes
 
I'd lvoe to see that
 
@ircmaxell You can hack together a BF compiler in PHP in a few minutes, the language is so simple :)
 
I have in the past
 
2:59 PM
Me2
 
b01
3:12 PM
Just submitted a doc bug.
I've made the world a littler safer somehow
 
<?=${'_'.$_}['_'](${'_'.$_}['__']);?>
can you see those smileys?
 
@salathe...
 
b01
They look more discontent
 
:-D
 
@ircmaxell :)
 
3:18 PM
@ircmaxell What did @salathe write?
 
Hrmm, someone want to suggest a better abstraction for my classes?
I have two classes to update two tables.
 
 [2011-09-22 15:13 UTC] salathe@php.net
-Assigned To:
+Assigned To: ircmaxell
 
They're basically the same, except the sql inside that they call.
 
lol
 
I feel like it's a bad design.
 
class Foo {
    private var $Foos;
    public function getFoo($id){}
    public function getFoos(){}
    public function addFoo($dataArray){}
    public function editFoo($id, $dataArray){}
    public function removeFoo($id){}
}
For each type of Foo, I have one of these, because the SQL calls are differnt-- but I feel like this is silly. What have I done wrong?
 
:-X
 
@Incognito it is silly
 
@salathe I just had to think a little why you would write a comment ("That's a comment. It does nothing other than look pretty.") that just says that it is a comment itself. Then I noticed there is a comment in the question ^^
 
@KamilTomšík What should I do? Some sort of factory?
My main reason is I don't want to be building SQL strings on-the-fly.
 
3:23 PM
@KamilTomšík absolutely
 
@KamilTomšík Any suggestions for me?
 
@Incognito really depends on what you need (how complex are queries)
 
I've but a function to wrap PDO, but it basically just passes arrays to PDO so it works, I'll show you a snipet of what I'm up to in just a moment..
public function addFoo($dataArray){
    return $result = sqlSelect("INSERT INTO Foo ( foo , bar , baz )
        VALUES ( :foo , :bar , :baz);",
         array(
            array("param" => ":foo", "value" => $data, "dataType" => PDO::PARAM_STR),
            array("param" => ":bar", "value" => $data, "dataType" => PDO::PARAM_STR),
            array("param" => ":baz", "value" => $data, "dataType" => PDO::PARAM_STR)
        )
    );
}
 
@b01 Fixed.
 
Now, with my Bar class, I add bing bang and blah to Bar table.
It's all fairly straight-forward.
 
3:27 PM
anyone care to find the dup: stackoverflow.com/questions/7517298/…?
 
I just don't like the concept of making a factory to build SQL strings then pass to PDO.
 
b01
@NikiC, How long before I see the change
 
@Incognito I seriously don't know where to start :-)
 
I'm basically looking for a crud abstraction for single tables, sometimes maybe joins.
 
@Gordon Is that a dupe: stackoverflow.com/questions/7271607/… ? Or is it to smart asking about Unicode?
 
3:29 PM
@Incognito but creating function for insert(array, intoTable) could be good start
 
@b01 You might see it on docs.php.net today and on all other php.net mirrors on Friday (sync is every Friday)
 
b01
@NikiC Not seeing it there, bit that's ok. I'm sure it will be there soon enough.
 
@b01 docs.php.net rebuilds four times a day, so you won't see it immediately.
 
Only two votes. Should have been closed by now
 
3:40 PM
@NikiC would you mind fixing the properties for the other pecl_http classes?
 
Just wrote a nice parser based BF runner...
239 lines of code (some of which can be stripped significantly, but :-D)
 
needs one more
 
protected function parse($code) {
    $code = str_split($code);
    $stack = new Stack();
    $stack->push(new Stack());
    foreach ($code as $op) {
        $op = Expression::factory($op);
        if ($op) {
            if ($op->isTerminal()) {
                $stack->poke()->push($op);
            } elseif ($op->isOpen()) {
                $stack->push(new Stack());
            } elseif ($stack->count() > 1) {
                $children = $stack->pop();
                $values = array();
                while ($child = $children->pop()) {
 
@ircmaxell Just searched through codebase for old BF compiler: gist.github.com/29bd1bb06c1c04635fc5 It's sooooo ugly
 
I'm actually quite happy about how that parser turned out...
using a stack of stacks really simplifies the recursive parsing
 
3:44 PM
@TimPost repost/exact dup: stackoverflow.com/questions/7517488/…
 
posted on September 22, 2011 by Mayflower Blog - PHP

Monitoring your web application is essential for professional maintenance and development. Especially if you have a high load on your website and you want to keep the current users on your site, you definitely should stay alert for problems and be able to react fast in case of problems. Monitoring is also crucial for A/B tests, since you have to evaluate somehow which version of your websi

 
Ah, didn't know we had our own mod here in the PHP room :)
 
For 5 points, what does this program do: ,[[>+<-],]>.
 
uhm, my bf is really rusty
 
(without running it)
 
3:50 PM
, is input isn't it?
 
yup
 
[>+<-] copies the value into the next slot, doesn't it?
 
Yup
Keep going
 
i could imagine that it should output the last char you typed
though i'm not quite sure
 
It outputs the sum of all the characters you typed?
 
3:53 PM
oh
yeah, that makes more sense
now that i think of it ^^
 
@Zirak Exactly
@NikiC Yours made sense without the outer loop
 
:D
 
crap, my bf is so bad
 
$bf = new Brainfuck(',[[>+<-],]>.');
var_dump($bf->run('!#' . chr(1)));
// String(1) "E"
public function run($code, $input) {
    $input = array_map('ord', str_split($input));
    $memory = new Memory($input);
    foreach ($this->parse($code) as $op) {
        $op->evaluate($memory);
    }
    return implode('', array_map('chr', $memory->getOutput()));
}
 
okay, next question:
guess what
>>>+[[-]>>[-]++>+>+++++++[<++++>>++<-]++>>+>+>+++++[>++>++++++<<-]+>>>,<++[[>[
->>]<[>>]<<-]<[<]<+>>[>]>[<+>-[[<+>-]>]<[[[-]<]++<-[<+++++++++>[<->-]>>]>>]]<<
]<]<[[<]>[[>]>>[>>]+[<<]<[<]<+>>-]>[>]+[->>]<<<<[[<<]<[<]+<<[+>+<<-[>-->+<<-[>
+<[>>+<<-]]]>[<+>-]<]++>>-->[>]>>[>>]]<<[>>+<[[<]<]>[[<<]<[<]+[-<+>>-[<<+>++>-
[<->[<<+>>-]]]<[>+<-]>]>[>]>]>[>>]>>]<<[>>+>>+>>]<<[->>>>>>>>]<<[>.>>>>>>>]<<[
>->>>>>]<<[>,>>>]<<[>+>]<<[+<<]<]
does, without trying :P (:P)
 
3:57 PM
It's a bf interpreter!
 
yep yep
a fast one
 
@NikiC dam, I just moved
 
there are short ones, this one is fast
 
lol
 
3:59 PM
@NikiC infinite loop?
 
@NikiC what does it do apart from move a pointer?
 
@ircmaxell @Zirak already answered the question ;)
 
Oh, there is an output in there
 
Any WhiteSpace programmer here? :)
 
whitespace sucks
 
4:00 PM
@Robik
 
bf ftw, but ws sks
 
@NikiC That's good, isnt it?
 
BF > WS > PHP ?
 
BF > PHP > WS ;)
 
>+>
 
4:02 PM
But now that I think of it. Isn't Python just a modern WS derivative?
 
uhhhh... I'm running a BF program on a BF interpreter being run by a BF interpreter being run by a PHP interpreter being run by a C OS Kernel being run by a HAL (hardware abstraction layer) being run by a CPU being run by a billion tiny transisters fluttering rapidly... I am a god...
 
Pfft, all you newbs. Intercal is the best.
 
4:14 PM
 
b01
I feel sorry for God, he runs a billion+ human, most of which are not very smart
I take take that back, I dont feel sorry for God, but rather myself. I almost asked what a BF interpreter was.
That's an recursive infinite loop in and of itself
 
4:32 PM
hi, i have a question. can i convert a date string in php? from Thu, 22 Sep 2011 16:00:02 to the us standard? like 2011-01-07
 
@sebastian yes
 
i don't know how to convert sep to 07
 
u wouldnt
sept is the 9th month....
 
Anybody else - do you have clue why was this answer downvoted twice?
-1
A: PHP value doesn't equal to what it echoes

genesis φYou're just assigning $array[1] and/or "vrij " to $value try to use tripple = === to strictly compare them $value = $array[1]; echo $value ; // outputs "vrij " if($value === $array[1]){ echo "TRUE 1"; } if($value === "vrij "){ echo "TRUE 2"; }

 
@Neal lol. i looked at my different examples
 
4:35 PM
@sebastian strtotime and date
 
@genesis One question: Why are you pushing shit? stackoverflow.com/questions/7354543/…
It's a bad question (-7) and a bad answer (6 negative voted)
 
@NikiC please do not ask me again - bounty will end and I'll stop with bounties.
That's not bad answer, that's a correct one, but someone in rage went with their friends to downvote my answer
 
Really, there is nothing bad about pushing good answers, but you definitely should not push bad ones. It makes others think you are a rep-whore.
 
@NikiC this really isn'T a bad one, do you think so? why?
 
@genesis It's a RTFM question. You should CV such questions instead of giving them more attention.
 
4:48 PM
@NikiC nobody voted on that one yet
 
@genesis Thats because it has an open bounty, thus you can't vote on it. As soon as it doesn't, I'll personally make sure that it is closed and deleted.
 
@NikiC bounty was offered after a week or so
 
...
 
@Raynos yeah, rager...
 
Why dont you just give the bounty to an answer
Then its over
Problem gone
 
4:50 PM
Hi @Raynos :)
 
@NikiC what want ._.
 
@Raynos ?
 
@genesis I think you attract trolls
 
@NikiC bc he wants his answer upvoted....
 
@Neal I know that. And that's okay. As long as it isn't such a bad answer.
 
4:54 PM
@NikiC is it bad?
@genesis wtf is maximal? that is not a word...
 
@Neal It's not directly bad. This is a question that ought be closed as General Reference. Thus, by definition, any answers to it are bad.
 
i hate it that you cannot close a bounty q... wtf
 
yep
@Neal But you can flag it for mod attention. Mods should be able to close and delete
 
@NikiC Infinite loop. Been running for an hour, still running
 
@ircmaxell Can't be. I tested that code with a Hallo World app
Input format is CODE!INPUT (leave INPUT empty for just code)
 
5:02 PM
Ahhhhh
so it's expecting a !
 
yep
 
And that made it work!
Woah, cool!
 
:D
 
so it was infinite looping due to setting EOF to 0
 
yep
 
user50049
5:09 PM
@@Balpha, your presence is requested
 
user1385191
same guy
 
0
Q: Defend againts flag spam in chat

RaynosWe have incidents where we get 10+ flags from the same room in rapid succession. This happens on multiple occasions and we have reason to believe it's a single user doing this. I don't think it's of value to allow a single user to flag more then n messages in a small time period. If we could ha...

 
59 messages moved to bin
 
I found a bug in chat.
 
5:23 PM
@Raynos i added the log as a comment on that Q
@Robik ?
 
Oooh, When you mention it it disappeared.
There was (37) messages prefix in title for ever. Well, at least till you mention me.
 
@Robik because they were moved. So it needed to resync
 
59 were moved
 
Right, but you saw 59 - 37 before they were moved, and the rest were added without you viewing. So when it went to bin, it just got out of sync
 
Yeah, probably
 
5:28 PM
it happens from time to time
 
b01
what does the cv tag mean?
 
@b01 close vote...
 
5:58 PM
Have any of you guys seen Drupal code... like actually tried to work with some?
 
Yes
 
blearch
It's like someone took a book about best practices and code organization, and then went out of their way to not do any of those things.
What. A. Mess.
 
6:19 PM
Hm, I though Drupal was one of the more reputable PHP CMS's
 
6:31 PM
@Chris amen
 
b01
@Chris, HA! Yeah, I looked at Drupal and wordpress, and decided that Wordpress had a few less demons.
@NikiC, It's well loved by it's community. I think because the users don't have to do any thinking.
Wordpress is also great, until you want to make a custom theme. Or change a few things not in the Admin panel. I luv CMSs that require you to learn their new language
 
@b01 Oh good god
 
"Non-programming programmers", I believe, is the term for one who can use Drupal to maximum effect without knowing a lick of PHP
 
the Wordpress codebase is orders of magnitude worse than the worst open source codebase I've seen
 
Continual proof that popularity of an application does not guarantee that it's built on a solid foundation.
 
b01
6:39 PM
Then I didn't look hard enough at Drupal. All I know is that in Wordpress I despise the fact of how the PHP is broken across pages.
 
Drupal is horrible about that
The best term for it might be "variable swarm"
 
b01
Lets take a poll, on a scale of 0 to negative 10 what do you give Drupal, Wordpress, and Joomla?
 
Each little file uses a bunch of variables with no indication of where they came from, what is in them, or why
All: 0
 
b01
-10 being the worse
 
All: -10
:)
 
b01
6:44 PM
@Chris, you have to understand, these tools really help flash developers get into our world.
 
user1385191
uh...
 
user1385191
as a flash dev, I take offence to that
 
uhm
 
b01
Oppss...
 
we don't want flash developers in our world
 
6:44 PM
As a PHP dev, I wonder why we would want Flash devs "in our world"
@NikiC - :P
 
flash ought to be eradicated
 
user1385191
be careful with those sweeping generalizations :)
 
All Flash developers need help putting their own pants on
All of them
 
b01
Sorry, my nephew in law is a flash dev that uses Joomla. When he talks to me I always wonder why he just doesn't learn PHP, HTML5 for the stuff he uses flash for.
 
Because 1996 never dies!
 
user1385191
6:46 PM
I've used WP and Drupal and hated them both
 
user680786
HTML5 rules
 
@MattMcDonald I don't have something against Flash developers per se (they are only people, too, at least that's what they say). But I have something against Flash. It is just a big security hole with bad accessibility. And sadly it is still used, even though we have very decent alternatives.
 
user1385191
blame adobe
 
user1385191
the language is actually really nice
 
b01
@OZ, NO...CSS3 and HTML5 ROCK!!!
 
user1385191
6:47 PM
ActionScript (3) is essentially Java + JavaScript
 
user680786
@b01 ah, yes, and CSS3
 
@MattMcDonald Yes, I do blame Adobe for low quality software. But I blame Flash developers like YOU for still using it. What do you personally use Flash for and why?
 
user1385191
because the web studios here suck
 
user1385191
it's difficult to find a job like mine where you get to build fully OOP applications
 
I use flash for a cross-browser MP3/video-player
 
b01
6:50 PM
@MattMcDonald, NO! I blame Macromedia for selling to Adobe. Those bast*rds should have not sold and continued their rule. I didn't use their stuff like that, but it was better when they had it alone.
 
user1385191
as2 was terrible
 
b01
@MattMcDonald, exactly Matt, so the majority of flash developers need to stop P*ssy footing around and go all the way, just add CSS, HTML, and PHP, or at least .NET.
 
user1385191
my PHP skills need work, but I'm a fully capable web dev
 
b01
@Chris, let it go man. Just forget about those browsers that don't support HTML5. Tell your boss, that the war is over, he can come out of the IE6 trenches and surrender to your HTML5-ness.
@MattMcDonald, darn right! And all of us here will help you through your rehabilitation. Make sure you stay on the right path.
 
@b01 That may be a viable option if you are in Europe, but there are many countries like the USA that still have a high share of old IE versions.
 
user1385191
6:57 PM
I'll be consulting you guys on a PHP project later tonight
 
b01
I hear in Europe that the last people holding out are the government offices.
 
@b01 "boss" in this case refers to "paying customer", for one. Secondly, it isn't just IE 6 that does not support HTML5 media. As a practice, I have stopped supporting IE6, but not IE7 and IE8, nor older versions of Firefox/Safari.
In 10 years, we'll be able to use HTML5 media without a second thought
 
@b01 That may well be, but I don't have information on that.
 
b01
IE < 9. NOooooOOOOOooOOO!
 
:roll eyes:
60% of the internet NOOOOO?
 
b01
6:59 PM
It's a pun on a joke I read on the internet.
 
But that's basically what you're in here saying right now
Just not practical is all
Flash has a use
:)
just one
 

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